Still better love than twilight. ?

Oh, damn! That was hot! And romantic, and damn... Just amazing!
And these Nora shorts with suspenders, just fit her so cool ^_^ And I really like how Thomas slowly and unobtrusively taking control over her. Even if Nora knows and allowas that) 

Oh my, my, my. I couldn't believe my eyes: the whole chapter wrapped in sex?! All compliments.

Have a question thou. Does male vampires in your story knows about oral sex such as cunnilingus? I'm sure Nora would love to feel Thoma's tongue on and in her snatch. I would eat her until she fell in vampiric trans

1 hour ago, Deso561PL said:

Still better love than twilight. ?

That's what I say to myself and keeps me motivated 

27 minutes ago, Crw said:

Oh, damn! That was hot! And romantic, and damn... Just amazing!
And these Nora shorts with suspenders, just fit her so cool ^_^ And I really like how Thomas slowly and unobtrusively taking control over her. Even if Nora knows and allowas that) 

Thanks!

There'll be a bit more in the next entry with Nora on top, but I had to cut it as stuff was getting to long.

13 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

Oh my, my, my. I couldn't believe my eyes: the whole chapter wrapped in sex?! All compliments.

Have a question thou. Does male vampires in your story knows about oral sex such as cunnilingus? I'm sure Nora would love to feel Thomas' tongue on and in her snatch. I would eat her until she fell in vampiric trans

Thanks Eva! She's about to fall in vampiric trans  

Hehehe, I loved the role reversal with reading the book (the way the chapter started with Thomas reading it upon Nora's request and ended with her reading to him).  And I also really liked the actual stories in the books. Did you write those parts specifically for this episode or do you have the full tales somewhere? I'm now kind of intrigued about Rafe and that royal request. ?

Nora being annoyed with the rose thorns, yet still keeping it in her hair was a really sweet touch and shows her genuine attraction to Thomas. Speaking of which, is he actually jealous of the people Nora slept with or was it simply part of the role-play for them?

Also you did an excellent job with keeping Nora's relationship with Amelie in character. No matter what Baroness Karlov is doing with Thomas, her 'teddy bear' mortal is off-limits for him. ? Though it does raise questions as to whether there might be a future conflict between Nora's pet and her new romantic interest. ?

Overall great chapter and as always, incredible work with the screenshots. ?

You go a little crazy with the sex... I don't mean it's too much I'm mean the ideas you come up with.  it's Great ?

3 hours ago, Devianna said:

Hehehe, I loved the role reversal with reading the book (the way the chapter started with Thomas reading it upon Nora's request and ended with her reading to him).  And I also really liked the actual stories in the books. Did you write those parts specifically for this episode or do you have the full tales somewhere? I'm now kind of intrigued about Rafe and that royal request. ?

Gotta admit I have no idea what you're talking about with these stories... I wrote that entries a loooong time ago and sometimes I'm surprised when people comment on details that I can't remember putting in . I think I wrote that story based on another short story, but in the end you have to change so much that it basically became my own story.

3 hours ago, Devianna said:

Nora being annoyed with the rose thorns, yet still keeping it in her hair was a really sweet touch and shows her genuine attraction to Thomas.

I just wanted her to wear it because it looks good and fits her character  . 

3 hours ago, Devianna said:

Speaking of which, is he actually jealous of the people Nora slept with or was it simply part of the role-play for them?

I'd say both. There was definitely some role playing involved but of course if you have two characters freshly in love some jealousy doesn't hurt .

But keep in mind that the rules of my vampire world lead, conveniently for an erotic story, to an active sex live of all my vampires. So Thomas probably has a similar list and having some sex outside of a relationship is not uncommon. 

3 hours ago, Devianna said:

Also you did an excellent job with keeping Nora's relationship with Amelie in character. No matter what Baroness Karlov is doing with Thomas, her 'teddy bear' mortal is off-limits for him. ? Though it does raise questions as to whether there might be a future conflict between Nora's pet and her new romantic interest. ?

Well I guess we have to wait and see . There was certainly some set up already from my side.

3 hours ago, Devianna said:

Overall great chapter and as always, incredible work with the screenshots. ?

Thank you very much Devianna. Your comments are always a pleasure to read  .

40 minutes ago, Jayomms said:

You go a little crazy with the sex... I don't mean it's too much I'm mean the ideas you come up with.  it's Great ?

Just you wait until you see the next entry.  There was supposed to be a third escalation stage. But there'll also be some story relevant content  

6 hours ago, Alter Native said:

Thanks Eva! She's about to fall in vampiric trans  

 

 

> Thanks Alter. The pic is AWESOME: I downloaded it.

Thomas is kind of a badass!

I love the whole reading into sex scenario!

You always seem to keep it fresh, and that's just great ?

On 7/12/2019 at 7:13 AM, WANOBI12 said:

Thomas is kind of a badass!

I love the whole reading into sex scenario!

You always seem to keep it fresh, and that's just great ?

Thanks!

Thomas is here to stay and we'll see a lot more of him in the future.

Whew, this was a lot! But you really captured the relationship. Every chapter has a different "interest", yet you still manage to make each of them unique. Oh, and that interaction between Thomas and Kristoff? Fucking hilarious how abrupt he was, haha. Great work!

Damn! Thomas is just as kinky as Nora, no wonder they get along so well!

Great work As usual Alter Native!

21 hours ago, Collygon said:

Whew, this was a lot! But you really captured the relationship. Every chapter has a different "interest", yet you still manage to make each of them unique. Oh, and that interaction between Thomas and Kristoff? Fucking hilarious how abrupt he was, haha. Great work!

Thanks!

Stage three of the escalation is coming in the next entry together with a bit more story relevant stuff. There just wasn't enough space in this one.

4 hours ago, xGHoSTx said:

Damn! Thomas is just as kinky as Nora, no wonder they get along so well!

Great work As usual Alter Native!

You can't blame him if he's being locked up with Nora for days in her castle  . 

Thanks Ghost!

A rather imaginative entry indeed, seems you never run out of setups for sex in your stories, and the reading one was rather original. ^^ It's also nice to see some partners being able to hold their ground against Nora in a sexual relationship, so far the only ones who were able to turn the tables on her were Ahtar, Lenora and Thomas. And since there is love between Thomas and her, it adds a special flavor to it, possibly symbolized in a way by the rose with thorns. That being said, that was a sex + character development chapter, but the story didn't move on too much. Except from an increasingly frustrated Kristoff, lurking in the shadows...

Special mention for some of the screens composition, truly worth the view by themselves :

I'm still not comfortable with some of them being silent though, sure you don't intrude the image, but it becomes still and silent while it shouldn't be. It seems hard to find a balance between pure images and very visible comic style onomatopoeia when doing those.

Malicia : « I like a lot their way of reading, though I'm not sure you can read very fast that way, no.

               Anyway, Thomas looks very good, but also very neglected. He should use this ->  on each of his fingers, uh.  »

5 hours ago, Tirloque said:

A rather imaginative entry indeed, seems you never run out of setups for sex in your stories, and the reading one was rather original. ^^ It's also nice to see some partners being able to hold their ground against Nora in a sexual relationship, so far the only ones who were able to turn the tables on her were Ahtar, Lenora and Thomas.

Thank you very much! 

I think the list is much longer, such as the Queen in Chapter 4 or Jonas in the remake of Chapter 1, Yvonne and Eric in Chapter 5, mostly all vampires (maybe not Kristoff but he's much younger and Nora is literally his boss).

But you're right humans have a tougher time making a stand... (at least in some regards ).

5 hours ago, Tirloque said:

And since there is love between Thomas and her, it adds a special flavor to it, possibly symbolized in a way by the rose with thorns. That being said, that was a sex + character development chapter, but the story didn't move on too much. Except from an increasingly frustrated Kristoff, lurking in the shadows...

 

Special mention for some of the screens composition, truly worth the view by themselves :

I'm still not comfortable with some of them being silent though, sure you don't intrude the image, but it becomes still and silent while it shouldn't be. It seems hard to find a balance between pure images and very visible comic style onomatopoeia when doing those.

I think it's funny how you praise the screen composition while in the very next sentence you mention the image being to silent. Imo if there were two speech bubbles or onomatopoeia you wouldn't praise the screen composition as you'd loose atmosphere and draw attention away from the image itself towards the text in the image. By now and seeing the work of others I tend to agree that a comic style is the superior way of telling a story. By being clear what happens in the images, of transporting actions and character movements.

If my focus was on telling a story I might shift over to a comic layout for more clearness. But my focus is not on telling a story. I mostly do all of this for myself. If other people like it great! And I do listen to feedback and try to make my audience happy... as long as it's not conflicting with the personal enjoyment I'm getting out of making this blog. 

I like crafting scenes, atmosphere, building a believable world without compromises. If I wanted to tell a story about Nora having sex in a library with Thomas I'd copy the cell of the college of Winterhold make some small adjustments to meet some quality standards and focus on writing and editing.

But I don't care about telling that story.

I care about crafting a scene where they are lying in a library that's part of a vampire castle with a specific style in mind, with a specific color palette in mind with a specific feeling in mind. So instead of editing speech bubbles and crafting exiting and interesting story, I did build a library from scratch. This took many hours and doesn't serve the story in any meaningful way. But it does serve the atmosphere, the scene and some nice screenshots.

That's where I get my enjoyment from. 

So that's why I'm not changing my style to something that's better for telling a story but means less enjoyment for myself. I'm not going to cover a scene that I carefully crafted in speech bubbles or funny onomatopoeia.

I know you weren't trying to attack my style or anything, you were just pointing at some flaws in the story/method and I'm always very thankful for your feedback!

And by now I think you're right, but I won't do anything about it unless I can incorporate this in my personal style.  Also non of the above was meant in any way aggressive or anything, I was just constructive and trying to make my point clear.  

Also I can't take comics seriously, no matter if they are the superior method but that's something different. I don't have a background of reading comics besides doing so as a child. 

5 hours ago, Tirloque said:

Malicia : « I like a lot their way of reading, though I'm not sure you can read very fast that way, no.

               Anyway, Thomas looks very good, but also very neglected. He should use this ->  on each of his fingers, uh.   

I thought you'd be happy by now seeing him topless for a full entry, but instead you fond a new point to be picky about  .

5 hours ago, Alter Native said:

Thank you very much! 

I think the list is much longer, such as the Queen in Chapter 4 or Jonas in the remake of Chapter 1, Yvonne and Eric in Chapter 5, mostly all vampires (maybe not Kristoff but he's much younger and Nora is literally his boss).

But you're right humans have a tougher time making a stand... (at least in some regards ).

Not all of the vampires though. To me, she seemed to be on equal grounds or maybe slightly dominant to Vasil or Yvonne for example.

5 hours ago, Alter Native said:

I think it's funny how you praise the screen composition while in the very next sentence you mention the image being to silent. Imo if there were two speech bubbles or onomatopoeia you wouldn't praise the screen composition as you'd loose atmosphere and draw attention away from the image itself towards the text in the image. By now and seeing the work of others I tend to agree that a comic style is the superior way of telling a story. By being clear what happens in the images, of transporting actions and character movements.

If my focus was on telling a story I might shift over to a comic layout for more clearness. But my focus is not on telling a story. I mostly do all of this for myself. If other people like it great! And I do listen to feedback and try to make my audience happy... as long as it's not conflicting with the personal enjoyment I'm getting out of making this blog. 

I like crafting scenes, atmosphere, building a believable world without compromises. If I wanted to tell a story about Nora having sex in a library with Thomas I'd copy the cell of the college of Winterhold make some small adjustments to meet some quality standards and focus on writing and editing.

But I don't care about telling that story.

I care about crafting a scene where they are lying in a library that's part of a vampire castle with a specific style in mind, with a specific color palette in mind with a specific feeling in mind. So instead of editing speech bubbles and crafting exiting and interesting story, I did build a library from scratch. This took many hours and doesn't serve the story in any meaningful way. But it does serve the atmosphere, the scene and some nice screenshots.

That's where I get my enjoyment from. 

So that's why I'm not changing my style to something that's better for telling a story but means less enjoyment for myself. I'm not going to cover a scene that I carefully crafted in speech bubbles or funny onomatopoeia.

I know you weren't trying to attack my style or anything, you were just pointing at some flaws in the story/method and I'm always very thankful for your feedback!

And by now I think you're right, but I won't do anything about it unless I can incorporate this in my personal style.  Also non of the above was meant in any way aggressive or anything, I was just constructive and trying to make my point clear.

I understand your point, and as at the moment our work is purely volunteer you're right about the important point being of doing what we want, and doing so in our original way.

But even though I get that you won't change your mind, it is indeed interesting that you highlight my remark. I am not disturbed by images left unaltered during still scenes (such as the one I showed), which can let one fully appreciate every detail of it. What does disturb me, is when it is not supposed to be still, when it's supposed to move, to sound, to feel as alive as can be... In that case, leaving the image without all of this breaks the flow of sound and movement previously established by the dialogues... and so decreases the immersion. That's my point here. Every one is free to have his/her own.

5 hours ago, Alter Native said:

I thought you'd be happy by now seeing him topless for a full entry, but instead you fond a new point to be picky about  .

Malicia : « I'm not picky, no !

               I'm just giving him very useful information before someone notices, you see ? He should be very thankful to get expert advice for free, yes.  »

13 hours ago, Tirloque said:

Not all of the vampires though. To me, she seemed to be on equal grounds or maybe slightly dominant to Vasil or Yvonne for example.

Equal grounds was the goal in most of her vampire relationships. I think she is perceived a lot more dominant than she actually is. Only her relationships towards humans, especially Amelie is supposed to be dominant. 

I think it's unlikely to end up in a more or less openly perceived sub dom relationship within century old vampires unless at least one of the partners really wants it. With humans this happens a lot more natural as you have a natural power difference and the blood thing playing in where the human never knows whether he or she survives the next hour. 

You're not that wrong about vampire Yvonne as she is a lot more grounded compared to other vampires and she's not that sexually adventurous. But we really only saw 1.5 scenes with her. 

With human Yvonne it's a bit different as you do have the power slope between Nora and her, but on the other hand she's the one that teaches Nora how to best approach the sexual encounters with Nora's customers as she has a lot more experience working in the brothel. Also human Yvonne is forced to be opportunistic and cunning as that helped her make it through the years being an addict and a prostitute. It's left open of how much she actually loves Nora and how much of it is just an escape of her human prostitution live.

Vasil by itself is a total shit character that wasn't planned properly and is lacking a clear identity. He's just there and does things. What's even worse is that I don't know how to fix him without completely redesigning him which would contradict everything of previous entries. 

But you're right, Nora has probably the most control over him...

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But even though I get that you won't change your mind, it is indeed interesting that you highlight my remark. I am not disturbed by images left unaltered during still scenes (such as the one I showed), which can let one fully appreciate every detail of it. What does disturb me, is when it is not supposed to be still, when it's supposed to move, to sound, to feel as alive as can be... In that case, leaving the image without all of this breaks the flow of sound and movement previously established by the dialogues... and so decreases the immersion. That's my point here. Every one is free to have his/her own.

I agree. Sometimes I do write a lot of dirty talk and some uhhs and ahhs, but it's a bit challenging sometimes to stretch the spoken words over the screenshots I want to include. Sometimes I have scenarios with a lot of vocal and visual build up and both partners are already pretty exiting and the action is already in full movement. But based on the screenshots I still have something like 15 images to go with different positions etc. 

In that cases I tend to leave pretty large gaps without any writing even though there was a lot of writing before.... The fix is obvious, but sometimes I'm too lazy to rewrite the scene or plan it properly which results in the problem you mentioned. 

This entry was a rather old one, written in late 2017 and I think I got better with it over the last year. But you're right. 

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Malicia : « I'm not picky, no !

               I'm just giving him very useful information before someone notices, you see ? He should be very thankful to get expert advice for free, yes.  »

Other gal's probably didn't notice yet. Or find liking in a more beast like nature , especially if you grow horns and wings yourself. 

2 hours ago, Alter Native said:

Vasil by itself is a total shit character that wasn't planned properly and is lacking a clear identity. He's just there and does things. What's even worse is that I don't know how to fix him without completely redesigning him which would contradict everything of previous entries. 

 

Aww, don't be mean to Vasil - he is one of my favorite characters in your story. ? He has self-control, is generally very pleasant and polite and he treats his humans in a decent manner. From what I remember, Vasil is more than three times Nora's age, so it makes sense for her not to really understand his motivations or to know his business. So to Nora it really might seem that he's just "there, doing things" and it works well within the story.

4 hours ago, Alter Native said:

He's just there and does things.

Like 2/3 of Bethesda characters nowdays. But you made him charismatic ^_^

5 hours ago, Devianna said:

Aww, don't be mean to Vasil - he is one of my favorite characters in your story. ? He has self-control, is generally very pleasant and polite and he treats his humans in a decent manner. From what I remember, Vasil is more than three times Nora's age, so it makes sense for her not to really understand his motivations or to know his business. So to Nora it really might seem that he's just "there, doing things" and it works well within the story.

So just to be clear and to avoid misunderstandings, we are talking about this guy:

right?

Not this guy:

So here is the explanations why I think Vasil is a poorly done character:

He gets introduced in Chapter 2 as a bit of a shady character. He's doing business with feral vampires (drug smuggle) which is clearly a crime following the rules of my world, and both Nora and Vasil know that perfectly well. She even comments on that. 

We then learn that he kidnapped Amelie the daughter of a noble of Windhelm and Nora is supposed to turn her into a willing thrall for Vasil in exchange for him forgiving the fact that Nora killed said feral vampires. We also get the impression that he wants more of Nora then just some casual sex every once and a while. 

So far so good. He's shady vampire count that likes Nora much more then she likes him.

The problem is that nothing comes of that and everything he then does contradicts this setup. Afterwards he's just a nice guy. Nora wants to keep Amelie, ok Vasil gifts it to her.

The story needs a character to discuss all the Dawnguard stuff of Chapter 3 -> Vasil.

Nora needs someone to go to the vampire council -> Vasil.

Alter Native needed another guy for a threesome in the crypts and a character to compare Ahtar's badass-ness to? -> Vasil.

Oh we need another guest for Nora's party... Ok, we need Yvonne and her Husband, we need Lenora for Thomas (and other reasons) ok, I need another guest... -> Vasil

As you said, he comes off as fair, nice and polite. Which by itself is fine, but he was set up differently. Tirloque thought Nora shows more of her Dom site towards him which is kind of true, but was't he supposed to be an old, shady, powerful vampire count?

None of this is a problem by itself, it just needs to be done consistent.

He's all over the place and falls conveniently into the position the story needs him to be. That's why he is a poorly done character. All other (important) characters are consistent in who they are, what they want etc.

I learned a lot from the mistakes I made from Vasil. He's victim of the story bending the characters and not the characters shaping the story. 

I hope you get the idea of what I mean. Besides all of that he just has very little personality of it's one that is shown in his dialogues and actions. 
 

3 hours ago, Crw said:

Like 2/3 of Bethesda characters nowdays. But you made him charismatic ^_^

More like 98% there are like 5 characters I can think of that truly have personality in Skyrim. 

1 hour ago, Alter Native said:

So just to be clear and to avoid misunderstandings, we are talking about this guy:

 

 

 

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right?

Not this guy:

 

So here is the explanations why I think Vasil is a poorly done character:

He gets introduced in Chapter 2 as a bit of a shady character. He's doing business with feral vampires (drug smuggle) which is clearly a crime following the rules of my world, and both Nora and Vasil know that perfectly well. She even comments on that. 

We then learn that he kidnapped Amelie the daughter of a noble of Windhelm and Nora is supposed to turn her into a willing thrall for Vasil in exchange for him forgiving the fact that Nora killed said feral vampires. We also get the impression that he wants more of Nora then just some casual sex every once and a while. 

So far so good. He's shady vampire count that likes Nora much more then she likes him.

The problem is that nothing comes of that and everything he then does contradicts this setup. Afterwards he's just a nice guy. Nora wants to keep Amelie, ok Vasil gifts it to her.

The story needs a character to discuss all the Dawnguard stuff of Chapter 3 -> Vasil.

Nora needs someone to go to the vampire council -> Vasil.

Alter Native needed another guy for a threesome in the crypts and a character to compare Ahtar's badass-ness to? -> Vasil.

Oh we need another guest for Nora's party... Ok, we need Yvonne and her Husband, we need Lenora for Thomas (and other reasons) ok, I need another guest... -> Vasil

As you said, he comes off as fair, nice and polite. Which by itself is fine, but he was set up differently. Tirloque thought Nora shows more of her Dom site towards him which is kind of true, but was't he supposed to be an old, shady, powerful vampire count?

None of this is a problem by itself, it just needs to be done consistent.

He's all over the place and falls conveniently into the position the story needs him to be. That's why he is a poorly done character. All other (important) characters are consistent in who they are, what they want etc.

I learned a lot from the mistakes I made from Vasil. He's victim of the story bending the characters and not the characters shaping the story. 

 

I hope you get the idea of what I mean. Besides all of that he just has very little personality of it's one that is shown in his dialogues and actions. 
 

 

 

Yup, definitely talking about the right guy. And the following is just my own perception of Vasil character (obviously you as an author have your own ideas for him). 

I get  a scoundrel/secret leader of the underworld (possibly black market) vibe from him.  His politeness and charm play nicely into that role, as he is more of a businessman than a brutal thug. Sure, he conveniently shows up at those parties, but is it a simple coincidence or does he have his own game going on and he's there to observe other immortals?  Does he really like Nora that much or does he see a potential useful ally in her?  I don't even see him as being less dominant than Nora. In fact, it seems more like he's just letting her play a little (or lull her into a false sense of security). He looks and acts as the least threatening vampire of the bunch, but could turn out to be the most cunning of all.

Again, that's just my take on it. I tend to write my own version of the stories sometimes (ok, all the time). ?

1 hour ago, Devianna said:

Yup, definitely talking about the right guy. And the following is just my own perception of Vasil character (obviously you as an author have your own ideas for him). 

 

I get  a scoundrel/secret leader of the underworld (possibly black market) vibe from him.  His politeness and charm play nicely into that role, as he is more of a businessman than a brutal thug. Sure, he conveniently shows up at those parties, but is it a simple coincidence or does he have his own game going on and he's there to observe other immortals?  Does he really like Nora that much or does he see a potential useful ally in her?  I don't even see him as being less dominant than Nora. In fact, it seems more like he's just letting her play a little (or lull her into a false sense of security). He looks and acts as the least threatening vampire of the bunch, but could turn out to be the most cunning of all.

 

Again, that's just my take on it. I tend to write my own version of the stories sometimes (ok, all the time). ?

Hmm, got to admit I do like your idea I never thought of him as a Gus Fring like character. That actually would match what was established so far in my story and solves a problem I'm currently having in chapter 10.

The only small issue would be that there should have been small hints towards him being this kind of character. But still I like your idea a lot!

 Thanks Devianna, you're great .

15 hours ago, Alter Native said:

Hmm, got to admit I do like your idea I never thought of him as a Gus Fring like character. That actually would match what was established so far in my story and solves a problem I'm currently having in chapter 10.

The only small issue would be that there should have been small hints towards him being this kind of character. But still I like your idea a lot!

 

 Thanks Devianna, you're great .

 

 

Aww shucks, I'm glad you liked the idea. ? Gustavo Fring was an excellent character and turning Vasil in that direction can certainly make things very interesting.

As for hints, in movies they sometimes use short flashbacks to show the viewer what was actually happening and what was missing from the original scene.  You have incredible imagination and I'm sure you'll find ways to enrich Vasil's persona. ?

Aria: Nora is one hell of a kinky Vampire. I just gotta say shes the best