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Devious Followers turns any follower into a tricky hireling that want to lure you into slavery. The follower charges you for their services, and if you cannot pay, you can instead take "deals" that involve bondage and humiliation for the follower's amusement.

 

Over time, the deals tend to erode your willpower, so it becomes harder to resist the follower's influence.

If you can't clear your debts quickly enough, the follower may take payment in kind and enslave you.

 

If you are able to pay the follower, they can provide some help escaping from devious devices, play gambling games that might allow you access to extra cash or device keys, and at times they may also initiate bondage games based simply on you wearing certain devices. They can also help you pay for your SexLab Survival licenses.

 

 

Guide to DFC for new players

You can find a guide on getting started with DFC that should give you an idea of where it can fit in your game, how to configure it, and what sorts of things will happen here:

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Gameplay Mechanics Summary

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  • Your follower charges for their services, on a daily basis. You can configure how much they charge and how often they update their bill.
  • You must regularly pay them - some debt is allowed - and interest can accrue.
  • If you you are in too much debt, you must resolve the problem by taking deals, otherwise the follower may force you into deals, or take items from you to reduce the debt, or ultimately force you into slavery.
  • Each deal relieves a certain amount of debt and provides a discount to further expenses (you can limit the discount).
  • You can pay off deals if you have enough money, thus getting rid of the deal.
  • Deals have a minimum period. Deals cost more to pay off before their minimum period.
  • Most deals involve bondage or humiliation. Some involve both.
  • Deals have three (or four) levels, the higher levels are significantly more severe than the low levels. Try to avoid higher levels if you can.
  • There are two basic kinds of deal: regular deals, added in the 1.X series of the mod, and modular deals added in the 2.X series.
  • The regular deals are hand crafted, with specific progression. The modular deals are semi-random. You can configure what deals are available.
  • While deals can be intrusive, they are designed not to totally stop you playing normal Skyrim.
  • Things that happen to the PC can reduce a new stat called Willpower.
  • If the PC's willpower gets too low, it becomes harder to avoid bad deals or resist arbitrary demands from the follower.
  • High willpower characters can pick and choose their deals (for a price), lower willpower characters must take what they get.
  • If you end up in devious devices, sometimes the follower will accept payment to help you out.
  • The follower can play a (somewhat unfair) gambling game where you can win (or lose) money.
  • The follower can play a (somewhat unfair) gambling game where they offer restraint keys in exchange for debt.
  • Sometimes, the follower will take advantage of your mishaps with devices and add more, settings tasks you must complete before release.
  • Wearing the wrong device in the wrong place can be hazardous, and the follower is more likely to begin a "game" in those cases.
  • The follower has a number of "lives" that are lost when they enter bleedout, or perform certain tasks for you.
  • Followers become very grumpy and unhelpful when their lives reach zero.
  • Restore follower lives by sleeping for at least six hours.
  • If the player opts into it, or the PC gets into too much debt, the follower may take control of the PC's gold.
  • This is both a mechanism to mitigate theft from the player, and to make it worse.
  • Any time you can pay off all your debts, the follower doesn't control your gold, and have enough willpower, you can get rid of the follower.
  • If you have deals, or owe money, or have very low willpower, you cannot get rid of the follower.
  • Characters with very low willpower may automatically gain a follower.
  • There is an optional minimum contract period. 
  • The follower is essential and cannot simply be killed to get rid of them.
  • Multiple followers are supported, though only one will be devious at a time, you can configure how much extra you are charged.
  • There is an MCM lockout for the truly hardcore that is vicious. Use at your peril. It's OFF by default (once turned on, there is no OFF switch).
  • Each day there aren't enough deals to amuse the follower, the follower becomes more Bored.
  • Bored followers charge extra for their services. Thus daily expenses tend to increase over time.
  • You can get spanked to reduce the follower's boredom.
  • Each time you pay your debts, you lose a little bit of your ability to resist the follower's attacks on your willpower.
  • Pay off deals or make cash donations to priests to improve your resistance again.
  • If you get into too much debt, you can be enslaved (optional). The enslavement should still let you play Skyrim, up to a point, but there's a lot of bondage, sex and humiliation.
  • DFC slavery does not have whipping (yet), but there are other punishments.
  • The follower may eventually dispose of you, via Simple Slavery, or a built-in DFC mechanism (optional configuration).
  • If you don't enable slavery the worst outcome is some harsh bondage.
  • There is a "weird potion" quest that can clear all your deals and debt, but introduces new problems and limitations.
  • You can configure DFC enslavement to use Submissive Lola the Resubmission instead.

 


Requirements

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Optional Integrations

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  • Spank that Ass - for the full spanking experience. You need at least Spank that Ass 3.9+ (latest 4.5 is highly recommended) - see installation notes for more details on version.
  • Skooma Whore - for the skooma deal.
  • MME 09-02-2021 or newer - for the lactacid and milking deals - see installation notes for more details on version.
  • Simple Slavery Plus (or ++) - so the PC can be bought and sold by Devious Followers at auction.
  • Slave Tats + Rape Tattoos - so you can get tattoos for punishment and on enslavement
  • SexLab Survival (0.635+) - various willpower interactions and new ways to get forced devious followers
  • Frostfall - follower can give you something to help you keep warm.
  • Submissive Lola the Resubmission (2.0.34+) - alternative slavery that is now integrated with DFC as an alternative to DFC's built-in enslavement mode.

 

 

Other Recommended Mods

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  • Devious Lore - more ways to get into devious devices.
  • Laura's Bondage Shop - more ways to get into devious devices.
  • Deviously Enchanted Chests - more ways to get into devious devices
  • Deviously Cursed Loot - even more ways to get into devious devices
  • Sexlab Disparity - modify your stats and skills statically or dynamically, create your own personalized addiction and training for Devious Devices.
  • Burdens of Skyrim - limit use of heavy equipment without training.
  • SD+ - alternative slavery, with a story, devious items, and trips to a Daedric dreamworld.
  • Deviously Cursed Loot - the classic swiss army knife of devious mods - quests, extra devices, combat defeat, rapes, extra misogyny, bondage games, prison alternative, and more.

 

 

Voice Pack Downloads

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Awesome voice files were generated by @finalfrog using SKVA. They sound a lot like the original Skyrim voices, but quality varies depending on the specific voice being generated, hence the quality ratings A, B, C, D. Qualities A, B, and C are at least consistently intelligible, quality D might not be.

(Now updated with a fix for the corrupted .lip file posted on 2021-05-16).

 

Post on the DFC forum if you have any problems with the packs, and hopefully @finalfrog will see your posts there.

 

These are all the high quality files (A, B and C), excluding unique voice:

https://mega.nz/file/OHgxiQ7B#vsHyE_FRMxxMpt4pTpWGKIlXGduRY6Uqop1zdaG54sY (Core files, covering most followers/mods)

https://mega.nz/file/CTgFzCKb#u7AH0jek1_kL7s7fx22DXHuPw33Pez5RmvHwO_DGdkg (Supplemental good quality, including guards)

 

 

These are all the unique voices, regardless of quality:

https://mega.nz/file/3epCQBqA#tbNuY-sTdFrIkkQ2HHAYCjXE4qjWxKJYJZ0UyGhzDx8

 

These are low quality files (D) excluding unique voices:

https://mega.nz/file/eSg2GBxS#sefoNH0XT3PVwj8b5hLdXkwGKwGP2sN-Fi7TYrcOVos

 

You need all four downloads above for complete coverage of potentially relevant voices.

 

 

I could probably split the main package based on whether it's a common follower voice or not, as there are only a few that are "follower complete", and fewer still that see much use.

If you care about space or download, you could easily go "main" only and get good coverage.

Delphine is probably the only unique vanilla voice that you might have as a follower, and she is a low quality voice, so probably to be avoided.

 

Here are all the individual voice packs - useful if you are extremely space-constrained and only want one or two voices:

https://mega.nz/folder/ea5y0DIZ#eK15TsIEkkeNcXUI82Sdmw

 

 

Installing

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  • Use a mod-manager if possible.
  • Download the newest DFC version from the mod main page.
  • Make sure that DFC is after USLEEP and your follower framework (if you have one) in Load Order and, if using MO, in MO left-pane.

 

If you want spanking:

  • Get the DF Spank SLAL mini-pack from this same page (it's with the other DFC files) - thanks to Anub, Sir Nibbles and Rydin for permission to use their animations which are in this pack!
  • If you want spanking, you must install the DF Spank SLAL mini-pack. Enable and register all the animations in it in the SLAL MCM. Don't forget to FNIS first.
  • You cannot use (or register SLAL animations) without having first installed SLAL first (SexLab Animation Loader v1.5+).
  • When you start your game, make sure to enable and register the spank pack in SLAL, otherwise DFC will say it is not installed.

 

Optionally for better spanking, also install Spank that Ass:

  • If you want to use STA, you need at least 3.9 now. Newer versions are preferred, such as 4.5.
  • Ordering shouldn't matter any longer. DFC versions from 2.13.1 onwards don't patch STA because the required functionality has been built into STA for so long now.

 

Optionally use a follower framework:

  • You do not require a follower framework, but if you want multiple followers, you will need one regardless of DF.
  • NFF, EFF or AFT are supported. UFO is not supported, and never will be.
  • EFF and AFT haven't been updated in years, so simply use the latest.
  • NFF was last tested with version 2.7.6, but worked with older versions. NFF's core doesn't seem to change much.
  • If using NFF, do not install replacements for vanilla dialogues.
  • Ensure that DFC overwrites script files from your follower framework (lower in MO left pane).
  • Ensure that DFC is later in the LO than your follower framework (lower in the MO right pane or NMM plugins pane).
  • If using NMM, ensure that DFC is allowed to overwrite follower-framework scripts. DFC needs to overwrite and load after follower-frameworks. Other than that, its ordering is not so important. It may conflict with some mods that modify followers or hirelings. It changes the default room rental price, so if that isn't 100, your DFC is getting overwritten by another mod. SLS changes these prices anyway, and it should be compatible with DF.
  • Do not install any old follower-framework "patches" made for the original Lozeak DF. The old AFT/EFF patches will only break newer DFC installs - they are no longer distributed for a reason - you don't need them.
  • Do not install old patches on new versions. If any patch, from any source, doesn't say it supports a particular version, it likely doesn't support it.

 

Lactacid and Milking support:

  • If you want the lactacid and milking deals, you will need to install MME 09-02-2021 or newer. 16-12-2020 needs the patch available on this page.
  • Load order shouldn't be critical as DFC and MME don't have any ESP or script conflicts.
  • If you have the old MME patch from this page, you can remove it once your MME is updated to MME 09-02-2021 or newer.
  • Thanks to @Ed86 for updating MME with my request to support DFC's cow-centric milking container approach.

 

Skooma support:

  • If you want the skooma deals, you should install Skooma Whore. SW is very old, so it should be obvious to use the current popular version and patch with its various bug-fixes.
  • The latest patches for SW can probably be found in Monoman's tweaks, and he also has a mod for skooma addiction that you can use to make it nastier. DFC will be ok with that mod but neither explicitly supports nor conflicts with it.

 

Custom Whore Armor:

  • You can install custom whore armor in a special folder (see below).
  • The default whore armor is UUNP and needs to be built in Bodyslide.

 

License Mechanics for SexLab Survival:

  • Obviously, you won't need these unless SLS is installed.
  • If you have 0.635 simply enable the license handling in the MCM. You can also set whether license management is forced onto you in gold-control mode, and how the licenses are priced.
  • If you have 0.644+ (beta) it's possible to get better performance and a little extra fun with the whore license. To make this work, once your game has started open the console and type:
    setpqv _DFLicenses FixedSLS 1
    Do not do this if you have the older SLS, as it will likely result in corrupted licenses. The older version of SLS cannot allocate licenses in quick succession without problems, and by default DFC adds some big delays to try and keep this safe. The delays can be much less if you have the beta. Also, you need the beta to get follower management of the whore license, because it can't be allocated via the API in 0.635.

 

Submissive Lola the Resubmission:

  • You don't have to do anything special, just make sure that you have a new enough version.
  • Configure the SLTR destination in the Punishments section of the MCM.
  • Do not enable the integration if you are already enslaved to SLTR, as that's just silly. Some future version will detect and prevent this, probably.

 

Voice Files:

  • Simply add the files to your Data directory with your mod manager or manually.
  • These genuine add voice support for the specified voice type.
  • The voices are AI generated with love by @finalfrog. They properly match the voice type, but not all words sound perfect. Despite some minor flaws, it's still very good and I highly recommend it.

 

Patches:

If you want to use the patches, install after your DFC ESP and any ESP they intend to patch, do not delete or replace the main DeviousFollowers.esp file.

  • @PInute said:
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    • I've watched the number of patches I would need for DFC decline steadily since you took over (thank you very much) but I will still need a couple. An 'unofficial' patch preserves a USSEP/USLEEP circlet ARMA bug fix and also preserves a few other minor bug fixes for some NPCs, notably Ahlam. The Cutting Room Floor patch makes sure Ahlam can get into her new home while keeping her status as DFC vendor. It also preserves CRF's assigning a bed in the Drunken Huntsman to Jenassa just in case you need a cheap bed and aren't adverse to marriage.
    • I've attached my unofficial patch [Lupine edit: I don't advise you use this particular patch now] (neither USLEEP nor USSEP are required) and the CRF patch. Both can be used on LE or SE, and on SE they can both be safely converted to an espfe. The CRF patch goes below the unofficial patch. These tiny patches beg to be merged into a resolution patch.
    • Lastly I've included an espfe patch for AI Overhaul SE (since I use it) that resolves AI Overhaul's NPC flee from combat packages with DFC's NPC vendor faction. I've also included a three way Devious Followers - AI Overhaul - Cutting Room Floor patch to use in place of the LE/SE compatible two way one above. The unofficial patch would still be needed above these two to keep the circlet fix though.
  • These patches were made for 2.14.1 but could still be good - at least the Cutting Room Floor and AI OverHaul ones.
  • I've introduced some of the general fixes to the ESP in 2.14.2.
  • I don't support this. If you have any problems with it, raise them with the author.
  • I advise against installing the general "unofficial" DFC patch - the issues that it safely fixed are addressed in the latest 2.14.2 - the few remaining changes it makes may cause issues in DFC. I haven't checked, but it may reintroduce unwanted records that have been deleted from 2.14.2 (Fixed).

 

 

Upgrading

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  • When updating, it is necessary to ensure that DFC is not paused when you do the update.
  • You can upgrade to 2.14.0 from any version from 2.02 upwards, without a new game or clean save, just drop it in - however there may be problems with some dialogs if you update from old version, so a new game is probably safest. Problems aren't confirmed. TBH I'm not sure ... it might be fine. It's at least worth a try.
  • Remove any old patches when upgrading. In particular, make sure any AFT/EFF patching is removed.
  • If you want new features to work, see the installation section above for other downloads you may need to enable the latest features and integrations.

 

 

Compatibility

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  • DFC's spanking support integrates closely with Spank that Ass to provide redness on bum and boobs, maintain your masochism/pain levels and provide new ways to get spanked. Spank that Ass is not required, but does make the experience much better.
  • Devious Followers Continued (DFC) works with most regular followers and follower frameworks. It does not work with special custom followers that have standalone AI.
  • DFC has built in support for AFT, EFF, and NFF. It's not perfect, and never can be, but your game shouldn't explode. DO NOT use the old Lozeak-era EFF or AFT patches with the current releases.
  • While DFC can work with the vanilla housecarls and mercenaries, it is best played using follower mods that add new followers to the game, as it feels more immersive that way.
  • It's possible to exempt followers from being handled by DF, and you can do this with your housecarls or spouse  if you want.
  • DFC dialog seems a bit strange on a spouse follower, but it still works.
  • DFC sort-of works with Pet Project, with or without the spouse as a devious follower. If the spouse is in DF, it's a bit odd, but shouldn't fail too much. Some chastity belt content in DFC may break.
  • DFC works with a PC enslaved via Slaverun, but it will seem like nonsense. It will work fine for a slaver character, though there may be some oddities with the follower in some places, requiring you to manually pause the mod.
  • DFC slavery is supported as an outcome in Simple Slavery 6+ versions.
  • SD+ crawl-stance animation keys break DFC crawling. (To be fixed). DFC slavery interacts a bit strangely with SD+ slavery. It's probably best not to use both at once, but I've tried it and the world didn't end.
  • Gold control works well with SexLab Survival tolls and licenses, if you set it up appropriately.
  • DFC works well with Deviously Cursed Loot, or some other source of bondage mishaps, such as Deviously Enslaved Continued, Naked Dungeons or Deviously Enchanted Chests.
  • DFC works with the latest MME, but you will probably need the patch.
  • DFC works with Skooma Whore.
  • DFC works with SexLab Survival to help manage its licenses for you, adding follower debt instead of paying directly.
  • DFC works with Devious Devices 5.1 LE as well as older versions (4.1+).
  • You need Submissive Lola the Resubmission 2.0.33+ to use the slavery integration. DFC will not warn you if your SLTR version is too old.
  • UFO is not supported by DF. If you use UFO with DF, you will likely have several problems when dismissing followers.
  • NFF, EFF and AFT are the only supported follower frameworks. No patch is required to use them, support is built-in to DF.


 

Known Bugs and Workarounds

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  • Chastity belts may combine with the DD animation filter to ruin spanking animations. The DD animation filter will filter the Anub's Rape spanking animation if you are wearing a belt, turning it into a non-spanking animation. My current experience of that filter is that it mostly fails and breaks many mods, so personally I have given up on enabling it. I have removed most of the sex tags from the spanking animations to fix this. Your mileage may vary. If you're using an old version of the spanking pack, it may be worth updating. 
  • Bogus 'Use bed' prompts may appear in some scenes. You can turn the bed prompt off entirely in SexLab to mask this issue.
  • Rarely, you don't be given one of the items you need to wear for a two-item deal like arm and leg cuffs. Use the Debug menu in the MCM to add the item directly.
  • If you're stuck in a situation where your existing bondage is blocking fitting a device you need for a deal, you can fit the item from the MCM Debug menu and solve the problem before it gets out of hand.
  • If you recently reported an issue and it isn't fixed in the latest release, it might be coming in the next one. Check on the forum if in doubt.

 

 

About Special Edition Support

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Helpful people keep converting this to SE. The version here is for Legendary Edition, and does not work on Skyrim SE; you need a conversion.

 

If you are using the SE version, I didn't make the conversion, and I can't really support it or debug it because I do not run SE. If you're reporting issues, at the very least explain you are in SE in your report. Not doing this will likely waste your time and mine.

 

When reporting a bug, please only report for latest versions, specify your mod-manager and whether it's a new game or an updated game. Provide instructions to reproduce the problem, and details of what the problem is and why you think it's a bug. It's disappointingly common for people to make reports that are so vague I can't even tell what they think is wrong. If it involves dialog lines, reproduce the exact line text as completely as you can. If it's remotely relevant, please list your current debt, enslavement threshold, willpower, and all the deals you have.

 

I now have an SE game and CK, but I haven't made my own port of DFC yet (as I haven't finished setting up the game). It may come for this version.

 

 

About the Whore Armor

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The whore armor meshes distributed with DFC is taken directly from the UUNP version of The Amazing World of Bikini Armor. Though the weights are different for the items, the meshes are identical, including texture paths. This means these files will overwrite or be overwritten by TAWoBA. That is not an issue unless your TAWoBA is a CBBE version, in which case you should ensure that TAWoBA overwrites DF. If you use CBBE, make sure you get CBBE versions of the files, or use custom whore armor (see below).

 

There is a small file pack of the whore armor files in CBBE format available in the download section of this page, that you can use if your game is built around CBBE but you don't have CBBE TAWoBA installed.

 

Also, whether you use UUNP or CBBE you should build bodyslide for DFC. It has its own bodyslide group, ensure you build it, even if you do not intend to use the included whore armors, as DFC may add new items from release to release. If you have full TAWoBA installed, let TAWoBA overwrite all the Bodyslide and group data and build the full TAWoBA groups.

 

 

How to Install Custom Whore Armor

 

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There are three "whore" armors built into DF, and they will work without any extra mods, but you do need to run Bodyslide for them.

The provided armors are UUNP, and originated from The Amazing World of Bikini Armor (UUNP version).

There are also CBBE alternatives for these.

 

However, if you think TAWoBA looks bad, or you just want something else, you can replace them with different armors.

Because the armors DFC uses by default are shared with other mods, and in standard locations, you might not want to overwrite them with completely different models.

 

To avoid such a conflict, DFC allows you to install whore armors that are "custom" and exist in a special DFC-specific location that only DFC uses.

Any armors you put in that location won't modify any items other than the DFC whore armors.

 

This process is completely optional.

 

What you need to know:

  • You need to make sure that your NIF files will be able to find their textures. DFC does not modify texture paths, so it's up to you to get your NIFs set up right.
  • In most cases, if you have the armor already installed in your setup, you can leave the texture paths alone in the whore-armor copies.
  • You only need to modify texture paths if you have an armor mod that is also replacing vanilla armor textures in a non-compatible way.
  • You need to replace all three whore armors, you cannot replace just one or two.
  • If you don't want to change all of them, just copy the DFC whore armors to fill any gaps.
  • You only need to replace the armors for the gender you are using.
  • Once you have your new NIFs installed, you can select the tickbox to enable use of custom whore armor.
  • You can deselect to change back.
  • It's advisable to use armors that you made via Bodyslide, or there may be some clipping issues.

 

 

These are the locations you need to put your custom whore armors in:

 

For females:

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Heavy\heavy_F_0.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Heavy\heavy_F_1.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Light\light_F_0.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Light\light_F_1.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Mage\Mage_F_0.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Mage\Mage_F_1.nif

 

For males:

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Heavy\heavy_M_0.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Heavy\heavy_M_1.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Light\light_M_0.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Light\light_M_1.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Mage\Mage_M_0.nif

armor\DFCustWhoreArmor\Mage\Mage_M_1.nif

 

 

 

 

Credits

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Lupine's New Credits

  • Thanks to @Lozeak   for making this mod in the first place.
  • Thanks to @KLongad Sirtup for making a FOMOD, even though I don't use it now.
  • Thanks to @fishburger67 for inspiring so much stuff and making some seminal mods.
  • Thanks to @Monoman1 for making Willpower interesting in SexLab Survival, and expanding the SLS API to support external mods.
  • Thanks to @AnubiSs2167, @SirNibbles and @rydin for allowing use of their excellent animations in the DF Spank SLAL mini-pack.
  • Thanks to @HexBolt8, @xboronx, @Darkwing241, @Zaflis and @Xiaron for bug reports.
  • Thanks to @candibelle for providing awesome screenshots of a character's journey in DF.
  • Thanks to @Ed86 for updating MME to support the cow-centric milk container system I selfishly wanted for DF.
  • Thanks to @Kimy and the DD team, past and present for Devious Devices, without which followers would be much less devious.
  • Further thanks to @HexBolt8 for adding the SLTR side of the integration.
  • Thanks to @Herowynne for testing and reporting on SE deal-dialog issues and other SE business.
  • Thanks to @PInute for making patches for some mods that have minor but annoying conflict issues.
  • Thanks to @finalfrog for making some super-fun voice packs that bring your devious follower to life.

 

 

Information for Old Devious Followers Users

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@Lozeak has announced an indefinite hiatus on development of Devious Followers

 

Devious Follower Continued works as an enhanced and bug-fixed drop-in replacement for Devious Followers 2.02a, 2.03a or 2.04.

 

 

WARNING for old users of non-English DF

In DFC, the SKSE translation files for anything except English are now all exact copies of the ENGLISH file.

As yet, nobody has provided me with anything better.

 

Lozeak's Original Credits

  • CGi - For all his assistance !
  • Lupine00 - For rewriting a lot of dialogue/text in this mod (like epic thanx by me !).
  • eulexia - Also for correcting a lot of dialogue
  • The whole DD/Sexlab/All mod teams in the requirements.
  • Ichabod for - Player Slave Encounters V0.694. this mod was one of the first player slave mods I ever played honestly loved it.
  • Kimy for Cursed Loot - that mod has so many ideas and I've literally spent days playing Skyrim because of it. Not only that her code is really easy to read and learn from I'm sure this mod wouldn't be here if I didn't have that Resource.
  • JimmyJimJim for sexist guards that it's unhelpfulfollower dialogue planted the seed for this idea
  • xj47 for adding sendmodevent and Rape tattoos
  • El_Duderino for the pony mittens ^^
  • Feedback/Guinea pigs - Corsayr, steelmagpie, atreyatan, El_Duderino, Sarge Misfit, valcon767, Hexbolt8

 

 

Notes for Modders

The documentation for mod-events and storage-util interfaces is here:

https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/12974-devious-followers-continued-interfaces-for-modders/

 

Roadmap for future development

Future plans and information about what's being worked on now are here:

https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/12761-devious-followers-continued-2021-roadmap/

 

Full Changelist

The full change list is here:

https://www.loverslab.com/blogs/entry/12923-devious-followers-complete-change-list/

 

  • Submitter
    Lupine00
  • Submitted
    09/28/2019
  • Category
    Other
  • Requires
    SKSE, SkyUI, SexLab 1.62, DD 4.1+, PapyrusUtil 3.3
  • Special Edition Compatible
    No

 

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mangalo

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You and the other authors revamping "old" mods really are giving a second breath to the community.  So, thank you for that :)

 

I don't know if you and Monoman could consider merging his changes into the overhaul.  The EFF patch and Mimimum contract, with the main mod take 3 esps.  For now I've been merging them so it's not really an issue but not having to do so would be even better

 

 

Also please take over Slaverun <3

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Reesewow

Reesewow

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Highly appreciate you continuing this great mod in the meantime.

 

Spank that ass integration and a return of the older slower willpower are also exciting update prospects.

 

 

Good luck!

 

+1 to Mangalo's idea of merging some of Monoman's tweaks into the mod now that Lozeak has kindly left it open for continuation. 

Lupine00

Lupine00

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1 hour ago, mangalo said:

I don't know if you and Monoman could consider merging his changes into the overhaul.

Doing a version of minimum contract for DF is definitely high on my list.

I was a bit pushed making the front page, as I made it once then a browser fail lost it, and I had to re-do it, but I meant to mention that, and several other things, and had, then forgot to do it in the second version.

 

I won't merge the minimum contract mod as is, because it has to do things an awkward way so as not to tread on DF's toes too much, but if you're editing DF, there are easier ways to get the same results. Can also add the options for it to the MCM, which it currently lacks.

 

Fixing the EFF and AFT integration and duplicate dismissal dialogs is also a high priority.

Can probably make dismissal dialog go away properly when it shouldn't be available.

 

Fixing weird potion forced version is a problem.

I think it will have to result in a complete rewrite of the scene for it, as it doesn't make any sense for the PC to stay with the follower as a result - and the quest binds them to the potion-maker, but in practice that's no good because all the post-drinking dialog is based around history with the follower, and is shared with the voluntary weird potion.

 

Fixing the device fitting is straightforward enough. DF just needs the correct devices set up in properties, which it might already have.

 

A big job is going through and checking the layout of all pop-up boxes, as many have CR/LF issues that were probably my fault in the first place :) 

But I need to check every message box in the game, and I guess I'll need a special script just to do that.

 

Something that shows what devices you are compliant/non-compliant with in the MCM would be useful - better than the rules dialog in practice.

It would help me debug some devices and quests that are a bit iffy.

 

Also, something that shows what location keywords are set for the current location, in the MCM would help fix issues with those. Expect to see both left in for player utility and bug reporting.

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Lupine00

Lupine00

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Just now, bauzz said:

So is this meant to be placed over the original mod and overwrite it?

If you're an NMM user, you can uninstall the original and install this.

Or you can simply install it and overwrite.

 

If you use MO, install this as a new module, put it just below the old one in the left pane, disable the old one, and then double check that the ESP is still enabled, as sometimes MO disables ESPs in that case for no good reason.

 

There are actually only a few scripts, the SEQ, the translation files, and the ESP different. Most source scripts are unchanged, though I did a bulk recompile, as the original version appeared to have some dialog fragments cross-linked, so multiple dialogs thought they had the same fragment - resulting in random outcomes when trying to edit it.

 

I also removed a defective spell that wasn't used and just threw up errors in Tes5Edit, but I still need to look at the Dwarven Handcuffs error.

Probably all the DF devices need rebuilding clean for 4.X

 

I think the handcuffs effect that destroys your armor should be changed too. That was always egregious, and could delete one-of-a-kind epic quest gear with no warning. It always infuriated people first time, and they'd never put them on a second time because they appear in mis-levelled locations that make them seem highly suspicious. It should have something more like the DCL slave collar that shocks you if you aren't naked.

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Lupine00

Lupine00

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I would like to add some more SexLab Survival awareness to DF too.

Nothing huge, but devious followers that were license-aware could be interesting.

They could even play funny pranks, like "borrowing" your licenses (and cash).

 

There's a lot that could be done with DF and SLS closer integrated. I guess we'll see is that's something there's time to do.

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darktej

darktej

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hi there Lupine00. nice to you managing this awesome mod now. I have a question though ...does this version of DF support the 4.3 version of DD especially when it comes to bound sex animations? cause the original DF at least for me would not play the bound sex animations. thanks.

sshar22

sshar22

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Wow!

You really are going all out!

thank you for all the things and fixes you are doing

2 questions

first

do I need to dismiss the current D.Follower before updating?

 

second, after you squashed all the bugs would you consider to implement a more active follower?

meaning, walking through town, and the follower asks you (with low willpower forcegreet you)  to wear things or do things for a time or while in a place (a bit like devious helpers mod)

Asking this because for all the time I have DF installed I never managed to trigger the Merchant, Tavern or straightjacket deals or any plays; only once or twice the Jarl pet suit event and nothing more, so a proactive follower might play more often and make it a bit more fun.

 

Cheers

Hex Bolt

Hex Bolt

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Thank you very much for releasing your fixes! 

 

I got a good chuckle from this one:

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

The enslavement mode whoring can still cause the whore quest to crash, requiring a special ritual to make DF work again.

 

The cursed dwarven bracers definitely need a rework.  There's potential to make these fun, like requiring the wearer to be naked until feeding them 3 souls (killing 3 humanoids), to encourage the player to put up with them instead of trying to remove them in the normal ways.  If it's fun, players might "accidentally on purpose" equip them rather than avoiding them.

Lupine00

Lupine00

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5 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

If it's fun, players might "accidentally on purpose" equip them rather than avoiding them.

One problem with the gauntlets was that they were an experiment for something that got abandoned - basically more cursed loot - done the old way, adding to levelled lists, rather than via a perk as DCL works now.

 

Should there be more items? Or was it right to abandon them?

 

The idea that there might more to them - some gameplay or trade off makes it more interesting, for sure.

Lupine00

Lupine00

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5 hours ago, sshar22 said:

do I need to dismiss the current D.Follower before updating?

No.

 

At least, I tried keeping follower through update and it was fine.

Lupine00

Lupine00

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9 hours ago, darktej said:

hi there Lupine00. nice to you managing this awesome mod now. I have a question though ...does this version of DF support the 4.3 version of DD especially when it comes to bound sex animations? cause the original DF at least for me would not play the bound sex animations. thanks.

I haven't fixed that. If you look at my earlier notes, it's something that needs attention.

Sex in DF is very simple, so I'm surprised it doesn't just work - because the DD filter is applied at the SexLab level - it may be there are some cases with explicit animations, but it's ages since I looked at any of that code.

 

Some of the custom DF devices are not working right though; I'm sure of that.

darktej

darktej

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32 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I haven't fixed that. If you look at my earlier notes, it's something that needs attention.

Sex in DF is very simple, so I'm surprised it doesn't just work - because the DD filter is applied at the SexLab level - it may be there are some cases with explicit animations, but it's ages since I looked at any of that code.

 

Some of the custom DF devices are not working right though; I'm sure of that.

am at a loss here unfortunately this mod, and several other DD dependent mods have their animation filters not working as intended. hope it gets addressed ...cause I want to get back to playing all these mods properly as it was intended. anyways thanks for picking up this awesome mod!

Lupine00

Lupine00

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7 hours ago, darktej said:

am at a loss here unfortunately this mod, and several other DD dependent mods have their animation filters not working as intended.

Yes. People have reported complaints on the DD forum, and elsewhere, and it's still unclear if it's an issue in DD 4.3, or simply something that 4.3 has exposed that was a common misuse case.

 

I haven't looked into this at all yet, but my suspicion is that it's more than one problem.

  • Some people are seeing old devices that were badly ported to 4.0 and always had issues of various kinds.
  • Other people are seeing a genuine problem in DD's filter.

The latter may be tag dependent, and might not show up for everyone, because some people have mods that have patched their tags.

macnchz

macnchz

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Thank you for Continuing this Mod!  

 

Thoughts - adding Milking dialog for payments.   Sex for payments - that gradually reduce in value (ie start at 500 gold for a sex act and the next one is 400, 300, until zero where the  follower thinks sex with the PC isnt worth it anymore).   Willpower is at zero - follower will suggest he/she follows PC for their own good/protection.   Willpower at zero - follower will sell you things at high prices (useful items like arrows, lockpicks, or even useless items like gems thet are worth 20g and follower charges you 100g in debt)

 

random thoughts

Lupine00

Lupine00

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Ah, this takes me back...

58 minutes ago, macnchz said:

Thoughts - adding Milking dialog for payments.

I always wanted an MME integration and a milk deal, and I would have added it to my private DF, but...

 

The only thing I could come up with - that was easy - was a lactacid deal...

 

Stage 1: follower makes you drink lactacid once, when you take the deal.

Stage 2: follower makes you drink lactacid whenever you wake up.

Stage 3: follower makes you drink lactacid regularly through the day (keeps you topped up with at least 10 lactacid).

Stage 4??? follower locks you in chastity bra and only removes it in cities. The pain! Willpower is shattered!

 

It would work, but it's a bit monotonous.

 

Maybe the "stage 2" could fit in a modular deal?

Lupine00

Lupine00

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With forced potion quest, do people think that it's valid for the potion-giver to become your DF, removing your old DF unless you have a follower mod?

 

The dialog refers to the potion giver not wanting to be parted from the PC, but it makes no sense if the PC has never met them before.

 

I could change the dialog and scene dialog significantly, and keep you bound to your original DF...

Or I could leave the dialog more or less as is, and swap you to the potion-giver - who could be anyone in the potential follower faction. (Possibly with some exclusions).

 

Being perma-bound to some DF you cannot anticipate might be a bit harsh.

I think not changing the DF is more predictable for the player, but OTOH, maybe the threat of it happening is fun?

 

Also, I think if you get sold, I expect that your original owner remains as your potion-fix, so selling should probably be clocked if potion quest fires (and probably isn't right now).

 

I think Lozeak might have intended for you to have to come back to the 'feeder' in the forced case. Which means you need to set a long delay.

But other things contradict that. It's not very coherent.

 

In the voluntary case, it's much simpler and the dialog all makes more sense, but you don't ever see the scene.

 

 

Any opinions?

darktej

darktej

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2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Yes. People have reported complaints on the DD forum, and elsewhere, and it's still unclear if it's an issue in DD 4.3, or simply something that 4.3 has exposed that was a common misuse case.

 

I haven't looked into this at all yet, but my suspicion is that it's more than one problem.

  • Some people are seeing old devices that were badly ported to 4.0 and always had issues of various kinds.
  • Other people are seeing a genuine problem in DD's filter.

The latter may be tag dependent, and might not show up for everyone, because some people have mods that have patched their tags.

it could be a trouble with the filter itself. but somehow at least for me...bound sex through Cursed Loot seems to play properly. but anyways hope it gets resolved soon.

Lupine00

Lupine00

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3 minutes ago, darktej said:

it could be a trouble with the filter itself. but somehow at least for me...bound sex through Cursed Loot seems to play properly. but anyways hope it gets resolved soon.

DF fires SexLab in an extremely simplistic way - using SexLabUtil.QuickStart calls with tags.

 

So the only thing that can make it special is the devices that you wear. In practice, most of them come straight from DD.

 

But there's no saying that all DD items work correctly.

 

DCL devices are more likely to be tested and verified by Kimy.

I've found quite a few errors in DD items. There are just so many and mistakes slip through.

 

Kimy never acknowledges bug reports, so you never know if she is working on fixing issues, or if they have been fixed, unless you examine the ESP in detail after an update.

 

 

If you can identify exactly what your character is wearing when things go wrong, it might help me diagnose this.

FormIDs please. I know the top byte isn't directly very helpful, but you could look up and see what mod they're from in your game.

With a description of the item and an ID, can probably track them down anyway.

 

If it's a specific DF item, like town-collar, rubber suit for warmth, or light whore armor then that's enough to go on.

 

List all the items on the character if there are more than one.

Lupine00

Lupine00

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If you are aware of a DF bug, please report it.

I want to get all the kinks out before adding anything new.

 

At the moment, I'm mainly aware of issues relating to being enslaved.

 

Endless mode 'gift/present' might be a bit wrong, but with some of these things you have to guess what it was trying to achieve, and the evidence is self-contradictory.

 

 

Oh, a lot of people probably aren't aware that if you are enslaved, if the follower finds a dress-code violation and adds devices, there's also a cash punishment.

(Debt is usually mentioned in the dialog, but cash is taken - I've changed this to a more ambiguous 'pay' or 'cost').

 

In the scripts, the follower takes half your current held cash each time.

 

If you are in gold control mode - which you will be if it was enabled - then that amounts to a half gold-limit debt increase each time.

If you are not in gold control mode - then you probably won't have any cash to speak of - and it usually results in no penalty at all.

 

I feel this entire mechanic is a little flawed.

  • It could be replaced with the MCM-defined punishment amount,
  • or perhaps a special enslaved punishment amount,
  • or keep the half-cash for gold control and something else if you aren't in gold control,
  • or removed entirely.

 

Do people have strong feelings about this?

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