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Tabrielle — Mourning White Chapter 8

 

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 Below is the eith chapter of the story of Benor and Tabrielle, a.k.a. the « White-ash» ; told by the latter.


Our two adventurers are now trapped into a seemingly dead-end : will they manage to escape from Urunach's deadly trap, and to its invulnerable guardian ?

 

As announced beforehand, the tone and themes of the story are different than earlier chronicles. The violence level of this entry is significant ; so if you find something too violent/disturbing to you, just skip to the spoiler following the one you're reading.

Also this chapter is as always rather dark (literally ^^), so make sure to adjust your monitor/ambient lighting accordingly.

 

Previous chapter is a highly recommended read if you wanna understand something of what's going on. You'll also find summaries & character sheets in the main menu, in case you need a memory refresh :

 

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Likes and comments are welcome and keep me motivated, so if you want to see more chronicles you know what to do ! :classic_wink:

 

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This chapter concludes Mourning White book one, explaining its title, and fulfilling the elements hinted in the very first chapter.

 

It is not however the end of Tabrielle's story, but a founding event for her, which will condition many of her future whereabouts. That story has in fact already happened, and so it's, in its main lines, written. Nonetheless, I am unsure if I will ever publish it on LL. I've been giving a significant part of my freetime nearly each day since a few years now, I have poured my characters and with them a bit of my soul into it, overcoming many challenges. But due to Bethesda's/Zenimax minimalist "let's go for the simplest" terms of use, despite being my work I would not be able to claim it as such. And though I'm still proud of my work, an happy with the path walked so far among our community ; this is something I have trouble getting around. I have seen there authors that have so much potential and are already so much better than some of the traditional ones, that I just can't take that some stupid autoproclaimed juridic void-filler EULA robs us from even the possibility of being considered as creators. 

 

Yet, it's not impossible I will change my mind on the matter. I will take a pause from doing stories, and am considering starting an "official" one in a world of my own, far from Bethesda's one, but still with those characters of mine. That could take the form of a book, or... possibly even a comic, would I find an artist up to the task, and willing to try the adventure. Or an hybrid between those two.

And so I'll have less time as a storyteller on LL. I might still publish some smaller stories here though. And, would life drive me away from trying myself at those traditional ways, well, I might resume Mourning White's book 2.

 

What will be will be.

 

Alright. Now, there's been plenty of good stories published recently. I've got some catching up to do ! :D

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:grimace: Tragic entry in so many ways....

To the story first, I like the tragic ending even though the death itself and the emotional distress it caused could have been explored a bit more. 

I wish her all the best even if we don't see a continuation of her story.

Btw. I really liked the dark bubble use throughout the story.

 

The obvious solution for a digital story would be something like DAZ studio which is actually not terrible hard to control and is certainly able to render some truly amazing imagery and from my understand the stuff you'd create with it would truly be "yours".

You will definitely be missed as a storyteller, I hope you will still stay as commentator and critic as your input will truly be missed. By the more experienced people but also the more novice story tellers needing a guiding light to the right path ;).

In a way you are the person keeping this little storyteller community together.

 

 

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Nice conclusion to the story and finally a bit more Malicia to round things out. In many ways (as you hinted) it does feel like more of a start to things than a finish.

 

2 hours ago, Tirloque said:

  

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This chapter concludes Mourning White book one, explaining its title, and fulfilling the elements hinted in the very first chapter.

 

It is not however the end of Tabrielle's story, but a founding event for her, which will condition many of her future whereabouts. That story has in fact already happened, and so it's, in its main lines, written. Nonetheless, I am unsure if I will ever publish it on LL. I've been giving a significant part of my freetime nearly each day since a few years now, I have poured my characters and with them a bit of my soul into it, overcoming many challenges. But due to Bethesda's/Zenimax minimalist "let's go for the simplest" terms of use, despite being my work I would not be able to claim it as such. And though I'm still proud of my work, an happy with the path walked so far among our community ; this is something I have trouble getting around. I have seen there authors that have so much potential and are already so much better than some of the traditional ones, that I just can't take that some stupid autoproclaimed juridic void-filler EULA robs us from even the possibility of being considered as creators. 

 

Yet, it's not impossible I will change my mind on the matter. I will take a pause from doing stories, and am considering starting an "official" one in a world of my own, far from Bethesda's one, but still with those characters of mine. That could take the form of a book, or... possibly even a comic, would I find an artist up to the task, and willing to try the adventure. Or an hybrid between those two.

And so I'll have less time as a storyteller on LL. I might still publish some smaller stories here though. And, would life drive me away from trying myself at those traditional ways, well, I might resume Mourning White's book 2.

 

What will be will be.

 

Alright. Now, there's been plenty of good stories published recently. I've got some catching up to do ! :D

 

Well in all fairness you can certainly claim the story as yours and I don't think anyone (even Bethesda's lawyers) would deny you that. Just look at that godawful fifty shades crap and how it started as fan fiction. Ignoring the (lack of) content and focusing just on the legal aspect, once all the bits that were taken from twilight were stripped away the story belonged to the author and she was free to publish it. As you have implied the same is true here and without Skyrim assets your story (plot, characters and so on) are yours and you can do with them as you like. I think that all of the best LL characters have enough personality that they could easily be dropped into another medium, have a few location names changed and stand as their own thing free of any TES references. 

 

Really the only thing you can't do with your stories as is is sell them and IMO if that's your motivation then you're starting from the wrong place anyway. Everything else about modding has already become about cash, I think it's sort of nice that at least the stories are still about doing it because it's fun. 

 

If you heart isn't in making the skyrim stories for whatever reason then take a break or quit altogether, you don't owe them to anyone. Personally I'd say if you enjoyed the time you spent making them and the interactions that came from posting them for the community then you've "gotten your money's worth" already. 

 

Oh and for the record I got both a notification and the tag incase you're keeping track. 

 

 

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So is life a sad tale? Only if you limit yourself. Is what I think to myself when reading this chapter and remembering so many other stories with sad outcomes. Deciding what to do with ones life could be a bit daunting if you let it. I'm pretty indecisive when it comes to deciding what I want to do with my life. I use to draw when I was in school between late 80s and all of the 90s and I was good at it but slow which led me to stop due to the neck pain I suffered while doing it. :sweat_smile: Anyways Great Work and good luck on what you ever decide to do. And yes I got 2 notifications from you. SpyVsPie has a point. ;):thumbsup:  

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ALTER NATIVE (or Mr Native to friends)

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10 hours ago, Alter Native said:

:grimace: Tragic entry in so many ways....

To the story first, I like the tragic ending even though the death itself and the emotional distress it caused could have been explored a bit more.

 

Interesting input. Tabrielle is a fighter and an idealist, used to fight her way through badly paid job in order to help those who suffer from oppression. So here, we see her spending ten minutes in denial trying to heal a corpse, then losing composure, crying several times (which she didn't do even after being cruelly raped), staying a few hours next to her dead lover, and then renouncing to her identity as a mage or as a fighter. So in my eyes, she truly broke down here.


I even thought I might've done something a bit soppy ; glad to hear it was in fact more of the contrary. As for exploring it a bit more, well there's the whole book 2.

10 hours ago, Alter Native said:

I wish her all the best even if we don't see a continuation of her story.

Btw. I really liked the dark bubble use throughout the story.

Thanks. I do take care about comics ergonomics so to speak, and do appreciate to see that noticed. :classic_biggrin:

 

As for Tabrielle, I'm glad you empathize with her. Right now she hasn't the means nor will to continue the fight. But that's the point where the story would've started adding quite a handful of characters, who might think differently.

 

Malicia : « Lots of people who're real good at seeing if you've changed your hair, you see ? :classic_sleepy: »

10 hours ago, Alter Native said:

The obvious solution for a digital story would be something like DAZ studio which is actually not terrible hard to control and is certainly able to render some truly amazing imagery and from my understand the stuff you'd create with it would truly be "yours".

You will definitely be missed as a storyteller, I hope you will still stay as commentator and critic as your input will truly be missed. By the more experienced people but also the more novice story tellers needing a guiding light to the right path ;).

In a way you are the person keeping this little storyteller community together.

Well I haven't said I'd be renouncing completely to doing some smaller publications, nor that I wouldn't one day decide to resume my work for Mourning White book 2. But I want to take some time to stand back, and consider all the options. DAZ studio is an interesting suggestion, and there might be a way to import some of the custom Skyrim assets into it. All in all its another option to consider. 

 

The other one could be for the legislation to recognize the owner of a story is the person who holds the pen, and not the one who built the pen. How did we get to the situaion where EULAs try to persuade us of the contrary while the law doesn't says anything on it ?

10 hours ago, Alter Native said:

You will definitely be missed as a storyteller, I hope you will still stay as commentator and critic as your input will truly be missed. By the more experienced people but also the more novice story tellers needing a guiding light to the right path ;).

In a way you are the person keeping this little storyteller community together.

Thanks a lot. Well, I haven't said I'd be going anywhere, did I ? I think of our little storytellers community as a place where I belong in a way. We lack recognition, but it doesn't means what we do can't make us happy. And I never cease to be amazed by the quality of the work some of our members can get to create. If anything, for a time, I'll have more time to read those. :classic_wink:

 


 

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9 hours ago, SpyVsPie said:

Nice conclusion to the story and finally a bit more Malicia to round things out. In many ways (as you hinted) it does feel like more of a start to things than a finish.

 

Well, it is. There's been some subtle clues hinting the outcome of the whole story (not just book 1's), that even the Sharingan reader didn't seem to notice. However considering the fiasco state that anti-Forsworn expedition has ended up being, the most probable assumption is that the end will heavily differ from what was intended.

9 hours ago, SpyVsPie said:

Well in all fairness you can certainly claim the story as yours and I don't think anyone (even Bethesda's lawyers) would deny you that. Just look at that godawful fifty shades crap and how it started as fan fiction. Ignoring the (lack of) content and focusing just on the legal aspect, once all the bits that were taken from twilight were stripped away the story belonged to the author and she was free to publish it. As you have implied the same is true here and without Skyrim assets your story (plot, characters and so on) are yours and you can do with them as you like. I think that all of the best LL characters have enough personality that they could easily be dropped into another medium, have a few location names changed and stand as their own thing free of any TES references. 

That's absolutely what I think. My own characters did accompany me through several settings already. The issue I do see is that not only we get the least rights to benefit from our work (while streamers do monetize completely customized game content without any issues, and the sites we do publish in do get advertising money without anyone considering it an issue) ; but it's also a quite demanding one (way more than just stream your default play on Twitch) ; and an unprotected one. I mean, if someone decides your characters and plot are worth it, what prevents that someone to steal them ?

9 hours ago, SpyVsPie said:

Really the only thing you can't do with your stories as is is sell them and IMO if that's your motivation then you're starting from the wrong place anyway. Everything else about modding has already become about cash, I think it's sort of nice that at least the stories are still about doing it because it's fun.

I think ultimately I don't really care about making money, but I'd like us storytellers to get recognition. And being deprived from monetizing (whatever the form), from protection, from any right whatsoever if we did apply a completely arbitrary EULA by a company that doesn't care as long you don't start considering your work as yours. Why should we hide on a site where our only resort in case someone decides to bloat the entire first page one one line entries is whishful politness ? Why should we be the only ones who can't use the tools we paid for ? Why should we renounce to any kind of protection while our work can get to be just as good as completely regular professional one ?

 

One Punch Man authors started by doing simple strips as well. However he decided to change course at some point. We should have a right to determine what portion of our work should be free, and what other portion could be paid.

 

9 hours ago, SpyVsPie said:

If you heart isn't in making the skyrim stories for whatever reason then take a break or quit altogether, you don't owe them to anyone. Personally I'd say if you enjoyed the time you spent making them and the interactions that came from posting them for the community then you've "gotten your money's worth" already.

I truly enjoyed doing them, and sharing them with you guys. I did less enjoy seeing how we're left to ourself regarding the management of the blogs section. But I had my fun, and am still having it. Just the fact of bringing to life on a shareable media my beloved characters brought joy to me. But I want to take time to think if it's really okay to just lower our pants and take the injustice of the situation, or to try to change things.

9 hours ago, SpyVsPie said:

Oh and for the record I got both a notification and the tag incase you're keeping track.

Interesting. I did test your method.

  • I published a first time (right away).
  • Then immediately unpublished and published again.
  • And addeg the tag.

So if you did only receive both,we can suppose you did receive on the two notification (so that your fix kinda works). Smiley_henri_gaud-belin_HFR.gif

 

 

JAYOMMS (aka WWJD)

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8 hours ago, Jayomms said:

So is life a sad tale? Only if you limit yourself. Is what I think to myself when reading this chapter and remembering so many other stories with sad outcomes. Deciding what to do with ones life could be a bit daunting if you let it. I'm pretty indecisive when it comes to deciding what I want to do with my life. I use to draw when I was in school between late 80s and all of the 90s and I was good at it but slow which led me to stop due to the neck pain I suffered while doing it. :sweat_smile: Anyways Great Work and good luck on what you ever decide to do. And yes I got 2 notifications from you. SpyVsPie has a point. ;):thumbsup:  

 

Life can get to be a sad tale indeed. The story of Tabrielle is a harsh one. But it doesn't limit itself to that. The very last scene was her exchanging with her delightfully lively sister, Malicia. So, even if it gets cloudy sometimes, there's a ray of hope. And I completely hope you get all the rays of hope you can in your own life, Jayomms, thanks for your good words. :classic_wink:

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Tirloque said:

  

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This chapter concludes Mourning White book one, explaining its title, and fulfilling the elements hinted in the very first chapter.

 

It is not however the end of Tabrielle's story, but a founding event for her, which will condition many of her future whereabouts. That story has in fact already happened, and so it's, in its main lines, written. Nonetheless, I am unsure if I will ever publish it on LL. I've been giving a significant part of my freetime nearly each day since a few years now, I have poured my characters and with them a bit of my soul into it, overcoming many challenges. But due to Bethesda's/Zenimax minimalist "let's go for the simplest" terms of use, despite being my work I would not be able to claim it as such. And though I'm still proud of my work, an happy with the path walked so far among our community ; this is something I have trouble getting around. I have seen there authors that have so much potential and are already so much better than some of the traditional ones, that I just can't take that some stupid autoproclaimed juridic void-filler EULA robs us from even the possibility of being considered as creators. 

 

Yet, it's not impossible I will change my mind on the matter. I will take a pause from doing stories, and am considering starting an "official" one in a world of my own, far from Bethesda's one, but still with those characters of mine. That could take the form of a book, or... possibly even a comic, would I find an artist up to the task, and willing to try the adventure. Or an hybrid between those two.

And so I'll have less time as a storyteller on LL. I might still publish some smaller stories here though. And, would life drive me away from trying myself at those traditional ways, well, I might resume Mourning White's book 2.

 

What will be will be.

 

Alright. Now, there's been plenty of good stories published recently. I've got some catching up to do ! :D

Well it took ages and a decade to see, you finally finish your story ^^, not gonna lie this was quite an unexpected ending.

 

Tragic 😨.

 

Yeah, I can agree on that sentiment, I just wish I wasn't that lazy ass when it comes to my arts 😅, since I plan to move to that from game-based stories.

 

Once I have a decent one of course, could be a years or even a decade.

 

I look forward for your official world and works my friend and wish the best luck for it.

 

Still I hope you stay in the LL, even if you no longer publish skyrims stories.

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Oh, that was pretty epic.
    I really love the way you see the "adult story". Despite the fact that our community allows us to just stuff a lot of "honey-honey" thing into the story and get positive public response and sometimes aesthetic pleasure, you prefer to touch on the darker, grimmer and deeper sides of R18 (or we R21? :D).  And I really like how you deftly release the degree of tension when necessary, as at the very end, only in order to then beautifully raise it again.

    I would like to once again highlight your unique style in terms of visual effects. Sometimes simple, but effective, colorful and pretty clear. I think this is exactly what makes the effects "Great". Not like some of us (ahem, ahem) do it. :D 
    Separately, two big pluses and a Sith Holocron for the choice of soundtracks.  ^_^

11 hours ago, Tirloque said:

Yet, it's not impossible I will change my mind on the matter. I will take a pause from doing stories, and am considering starting an "official" one in a world of my own, far from Bethesda's one, but still with those characters of mine. That could take the form of a book, or... possibly even a comic, would I find an artist up to the task, and willing to try the adventure. Or an hybrid between those two.

And so I'll have less time as a storyteller on LL. I might still publish some smaller stories here though. And, would life drive me away from trying myself at those traditional ways, well, I might resume Mourning White's book 2.

    I just want to add that there is always the opportunity to do what you want to do. Regardless of the platform, format and end result. The main thing is that you like it. But whatever it is, I wish you good luck and success in this. ^_^
 

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12 hours ago, Tirloque said:

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Nice trick 😃 .. it worked. The notification system didn't :classic_unsure:

 

Back to her tale: What an outstanding and evil trap! :classic_ohmy: Superior!

Yet, tragic :cry:

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17 hours ago, Tirloque said:

...I did less enjoy seeing how we're left to ourself regarding the management of the blogs section...  

 

...and the sites we do publish in do get advertising money without anyone considering it an issue...

Well you know my thoughts on the blog section and you know I've suggested a dedicated site in the past (which would also cure the second issue). But hey, what do I know, apparently 400 retarded blog posts in a row is a mod and making 400 retarded blog posts in a row makes you a modder and deserving of respect 😤🤣

 

6 hours ago, Tirloque said:

I mean, if someone decides your characters and plot are worth it, what prevents that someone to steal them ?

 

Probably lack of technical ability 😅

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Damn... I really felt this one. Such a contrast from past entries. A lot of people are using the word tragic, and I can't disagree. The word that came to me is beautiful, simple as it is. I could tell this was a conclusion from the very beginning and it saddens me to hear it's more than a seasonal one.

 

You've always been someone I've highly respected in this community. The story side of this community is small in comparison to modding, but the extra work you've done to contribute to it has made that unnoticeable.

 

And I totally understand your frustrations. Personally, the legal implications of it have never bothered me, but being restricted to a pre-existing world is suffocating.

 

Perhaps that's why this entry hit me so hard. I'm catching a glimpse of my own future and many other's as well. This won't last forever. ES6 can never fulfill the same role Skyrim manged to. Or maybe I'm just being pessimistic.

 

Either way, the beauty in this chapter stands out from any other. The music flowed so well alongside the writing to deliver a wonderful farewell. The emotion was captured perfectly in each frame. I was mesmerized the whole way through.

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8 hours ago, Tirloque said:

ALTER NATIVE (or Mr Native to friends)

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Well I haven't said I'd be renouncing completely to doing some smaller publications, nor that I wouldn't one day decide to resume my work for Mourning White book 2. But I want to take some time to stand back, and consider all the options. DAZ studio is an interesting suggestion, and there might be a way to import some of the custom Skyrim assets into it. All in all its another option to consider. 

 

The other one could be for the legislation to recognize the owner of a story is the person who holds the pen, and not the one who built the pen. How did we get to the situation where EULAs try to persuade us of the contrary while the law doesn't says anything on it ?

Thanks a lot. Well, I haven't said I'd be going anywhere, did I ? I think of our little storytellers community as a place where I belong in a way. We lack recognition, but it doesn't means what we do can't make us happy. And I never cease to be amazed by the quality of the work some of our members can get to create. If anything, for a time, I'll have more time to read those. :classic_wink:

 

Not exactly sure what you have in mind here and how much time you are willing to commit, but recently there are a couple of games/interactive stories released on steam using DAZ, just in case you're interested:

 

Fashion Business (of which there should be a free version out there somewhere... 
https://decent-monkey.com

and City of Broken Dreamers, (definitely look that one up via Steam, it's fantastic, an interactive xxx novel in a cyberpunk universe)

 

There's of course also a market for pure novel without any interactivity.

If I was in your position, that's what I'd do.

I did some porting from DAZ to Skyrim and overhaul the program is fairly easy to use, but of course if you want to create high quality content it takes some time as always.

And you can also port Skyrim characters/assets into DAZ if you have the technical skills, but it works.

 

There are also storefronts for selling stories but most of them are pretty heavy in the xxx area, but there seems to be a market and an infrastructure for it.

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6 hours ago, Crw said:

Oh, that was pretty epic.
    I really love the way you see the "adult story". Despite the fact that our community allows us to just stuff a lot of "honey-honey" thing into the story and get positive public response and sometimes aesthetic pleasure, you prefer to touch on the darker, grimmer and deeper sides of R18 (or we R21? :D).  And I really like how you deftly release the degree of tension when necessary, as at the very end, only in order to then beautifully raise it again.

 

Well, what I like for an adult story is the possibility of such events happening, just like in real life. And it gives so much depth to it to have the characters have as much possibilities than a regular person, but only augmented by the setting instead of being restrained by it.

And I'm glad you appreciate the pace in that one. It was noticeable longer than my average, but I wanted to conclude the book I over a simultaneous note of hope and sadness.

6 hours ago, Crw said:

    I would like to once again highlight your unique style in terms of visual effects. Sometimes simple, but effective, colorful and pretty clear. I think this is exactly what makes the effects "Great". Not like some of us (ahem, ahem) do it. :D

The eye of the artist is more keen for that kind of thing. Well, I've spent a bit of time working on them at first, but in fact the Endeavors of the Prince crossover allowed me to define better what I wanted to try to achieve : a realistic, classy style such as LOTR's (for example Sauron's mace in the intro, Gandalf vs Saruman first encounter, etc.), but applied in a somewhat shounen way.

And don't worry your effects are great, and allow you for great visual fantasies when combined to equally colored backgrounds of your own. :D:thumbsup:

6 hours ago, Crw said:

    Separately, two big pluses and a Sith Holocron for the choice of soundtracks.  ^_^

    I just want to add that there is always the opportunity to do what you want to do. Regardless of the platform, format and end result. The main thing is that you like it. But whatever it is, I wish you good luck and success in this. ^_^
 

Thanks ! Well I want to take a bit of time before setting for something. But every option is on the table

 

And glad someone noticed the music as well. ^^

 

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6 hours ago, worik said:

Nice trick 😃 .. it worked. The notification system didn't :classic_unsure:

Ahah. I though Spy might've found a fix, but if you only received my manual workaround, it's that it doesn't. Still, I think more people receive the notification with his little trick. Not all, but more. 🤔

6 hours ago, worik said:

Back to her tale: What an outstanding and evil trap! :classic_ohmy: Superior!

Yet, tragic :cry:

Well Urunach's whole idea was to lure Benor into checking if his beloved was alive, or to try to get back the corpse. He knew that those ruins were cursed, and that no one had ever exited them once thrown in. He thought he had killed Tabrielle on the fall, though.

 

Yet, that's still tragic. Tabrielle exposed herself so that Benor could escape Urunach, knowing that she would survive in worst case. But Benor joining her made her sacrificed vain, and in the end it was him who willingly gave his life for her.

 

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1 hour ago, SpyVsPie said:

Probably lack of technical ability 😅

You need no technical ability to steal a scenario.

1 hour ago, SpyVsPie said:

Well you know my thoughts on the blog section and you know I've suggested a dedicated site in the past (which would also cure the second issue). But hey, what do I know, apparently 400 retarded blog posts in a row is a mod and making 400 retarded blog posts in a row makes you a modder and deserving of respect 😤🤣

You know, now that I'm thinking about what to do... this might be an idea.

I mean, if we created a site of our own, with ads, where each access to a story entry provided monetizing not only to the site owners, but also to the authors... wouldn't that be a way to remunerate them despite the limitations of the law ? I mean, if it's access to the website page that is monetize, it's not the same than if the work was commercialized, right ? Imagine another LL, but with just stories, and a monetizing sharing system. Couldn't that allow for both sharing and recognition, while still using our ingame screearchery skills ? Couldn't that be great ?  Blue_Light_Bulb_PNG_Clip_Art-2097.png

 

That might just be a workaround for two of our problems !

 

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1 hour ago, Collygon said:

Damn... I really felt this one. Such a contrast from past entries. A lot of people are using the word tragic, and I can't disagree. The word that came to me is beautiful, simple as it is. I could tell this was a conclusion from the very beginning and it saddens me to hear it's more than a seasonal one.

 

Either way, the beauty in this chapter stands out from any other. The music flowed so well alongside the writing to deliver a wonderful farewell. The emotion was captured perfectly in each frame. I was mesmerized the whole way through.

Another beauty sensitive ! I'm happy you liked the flow of the music with the events, as trying to capture the right emotion was the objective. 

1 hour ago, Collygon said:

You've always been someone I've highly respected in this community. The story side of this community is small in comparison to modding, but the extra work you've done to contribute to it has made that unnoticeable.

 

And I totally understand your frustrations. Personally, the legal implications of it have never bothered me, but being restricted to a pre-existing world is suffocating.

 

Perhaps that's why this entry hit me so hard. I'm catching a glimpse of my own future and many other's as well. This won't last forever. ES6 can never fulfill the same role Skyrim manged to. Or maybe I'm just being pessimistic.

Well there's a simultaneous end of season + considerations for the future that make kind of a double nostalgia effect for the entry. XD

 

Honestly, if we find some kind of solution about the sharing media (and Spy might've given me a good idea above), I don't see why we couldn't use a continuously modded Skyrim for our stories. Drunna proved developing other worlds even in terms of worldspace was possible. And modded Skyrim is nowhere comparable to vanilla technically. The rest is a matter of patience and imagination. 🤔

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

You know, now that I'm thinking about what to do... this might be an idea.

I mean, if we created a site of our own, with ads, where each access to a story entry provided monetizing not only to the site owners, but also to the authors... wouldn't that be a way to remunerate them despite the limitations of the law ? I mean, if it's access to the website page that is monetize, it's not the same than if the work was commercialized, right ? Imagine another LL, but with just stories, and a monetizing sharing system. Couldn't that allow for both sharing and recognition, while still using our ingame screearchery skills ? Couldn't that be great ?  Blue_Light_Bulb_PNG_Clip_Art-2097.png

 

That might just be a workaround for two of our problems !

Yeah it would be no different than ads here and even starting a patreon or something to pay for the site would be kosher. What a great idea :unamused::sweat_smile:

 

1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

You need no technical ability to steal a scenario.

 

Scenario no but character yes, it's pretty tough to recreate one from scratch. Ideas get stolen all the time in every sort of creative medium so that's hardly a unique issue.

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TL:DR Great chapter and a lovely, if sad, ending to Book 1. Hopefully we will get to see Book 2 at some point in the future. But even if we don’t, thank you for sharing your creation with us. It was a real pleasure to read and to follow Tabi’s adventure. 🤗

 

Somehow I get the feeling you’re not going to simply stop at the “TL:DR” mark, 😉 so let me tell you a story. I’ve read your new chapter yesterday and really liked all of the photoshop effects, screenshot setup, the writing and dialogues. But for some reason I just wasn’t ‘feeling it’. Sure, it was sad and grim but it was more like a favorite NPC dying, rather than a beloved companion and a partner. “Alright,” I thought to myself, “time to make some coffee and try this again. I’m obviously missing something.” Half a cup of heavenly liquid and one (ok, maybe 2) pastries later I returned to your chapter and this time around I clicked on the music links that you provided. Normally I read stories in silence but you include those soundtracks in your chapters for a reason which means they are part of inspiration for your scenarios and also part of the tale itself. I wanted to understand the chapter fully.

 

With the first notes of music the whole episode transformed. Benor’s last thoughts became audible. Tabi’s tears turned real, her anguish - palpable. Her despair echoed through the walls of the cursed burrow halls which now held one extra inhabitant in eternal slumber. “So that’s what you were trying to show” I whispered to myself, “the breaking point of a pure, noble, if at times naive, soul.” The music added that one last piece that turned a story chapter from an entertaining read into an experience. 

 

Happy with my conclusion I headed out to sleep but as the morning came, something was still nagging at me. Somehow the events still didn’t paint the whole picture. Or perhaps they did and I wasn’t seeing it. I went back to LL and opened up your blog to the beginning entry of Mourning White, all the way  from 2017. And there it was, staring back at me from the very first screenshot. The whole thing was a flashback!  A memory!  By the time Tabi started writing this tale, Benor was already dead! So many things became clearer then. Tabi’s narration was always in past tense and always tinted with underlying sadness and self-blame. The encounter with the mage and then with Urunach, the strange black, miasmic magic - all of those weren’t random adventures, but a setup for a larger, epic tale, which I’m guessing was supposed to span over multiple books/seasons. I was both once again overcome with admiration for the scope of work, time and passion that you’ve put into your tale and also with a sense of light embarrassment. After all, I’ve discovered something that most of your readers have probably known from the start. Be it as it may, it was my take on your masterfully composed tale and my conclusion is the same as indicated in TL:DR version - it was an absolute pleasure to read.

 

And now on to part 2 ( you didn’t think I’d skip on your ‘author’s note’, did you now?😋). I can certainly understand your frustration with Bethesda’s EULA and your apprehension of publishing other parts of your work. But I have to agree with SpyVsPie there - regardless of the assets used for screens, the story and characters are all yours and no lawyer can take that away. The affront to literature that is ‘50 shades of gray’ aside, I know of a few examples where modders/storytellers who started out with sharing their work for free went on to successfully use their characters in a different setting and made excellent commercial products. One such example is a Neverwinter 1 mod called Demonheart. The mod and story was so masterfully written that it gained a large following. Seeing the story’s popularity the modder decided to try their hand at creating a game using the same general characters and plot but changing the setting of the story a bit (so not to have anything Neverwinter related in it). They ended up creating 2 games, one a visual novel and another an actual RPG which are now being sold on Steam and receive very positive reviews. From what I know they are now working on their 3d game but all of it started very much the same way we do things here on LL - writing an entertaining and lewd story and sharing it with the readers. Obviously you as the author know best what you want to publish and when and whether you wish to share your creations with others without getting any financial compensation in return. After all, our gratitude for your stories might feel nice but it won’t help you pay the bills or put food on your table. However if I may make a suggestion - you can always use LL as a platform to test out reader’s reactions and overall reception of your tales and scenarios. You can see what works and what doesn’t, what’s popular and what garners attention. This way you’ll gain an overall idea of how to adjust your story and turn it into something profitable should you decide to publish it by commercial means (making a book, comics, game and so on).

 

And so with regards to this chapter in particular, to the story as a whole and to all the time and energy that you spend helping out newcomers, maintaining law and order in the blog section and keeping our small storyteller community together, allow me to conclude in a typical Devianna fashion :


 

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18 hours ago, Tirloque said:

 

 

You need no technical ability to steal a scenario.

You know, now that I'm thinking about what to do... this might be an idea.

I mean, if we created a site of our own, with ads, where each access to a story entry provided monetizing not only to the site owners, but also to the authors... wouldn't that be a way to remunerate them despite the limitations of the law ? I mean, if it's access to the website page that is monetize, it's not the same than if the work was commercialized, right ? Imagine another LL, but with just stories, and a monetizing sharing system. Couldn't that allow for both sharing and recognition, while still using our ingame screearchery skills ? Couldn't that be great ?  Blue_Light_Bulb_PNG_Clip_Art-2097.png

 

That might just be a workaround for two of our problems !

 

Scenarios, ideas may can be stolen, but they not work without the creative mind who made them work ^^. Even if stole everything, they can't make a new chapter what match the quality or characters, or write..

 

I still remember Shockero's character and how much common the blue coldharbor daedras became, or Sashholin? Sasholin? Not sure the name anymore, but they had a certain slutty character design, which people still try recreate in the LL community or try make it as follower..

 

Devi told me a lot ^^ about how hard to re-create my style of screenshots, and we just talking about screen archery, not even the writing, the plans, the intentions and character, which all make it work.  You saw, how much I failed re-create Malicia, parody or not. My re-creations of Devi's Trinn had more with my own style then her, she looked someone way different.

 

No need technical skills? For stoling the pics and claim being made by them, sure, but they never able to make a new chapter or recreate anything from you.

 

Technicly we have users here who have patreon for screenshots, honestly I would argue about the quality content they charge accesss 😅 or want support. Cause, we have better quality for the same content, sound arrrogant? Maybe, but I think its objective, we are pretty top when it comes to screen archery and each shot of us have a story meaning, not just random pinups with a character who lacks anything. Making a character just from pics, are pretty hard, not impossible, but I think thats something artist pull off ^^.

 

New site with monetisation sounds a bit big quest 🤔, and of course getting a an user base and readers.

 

Noble idea for the creators and for those who enjoy the content, technicly might douable, but don't even sound remotely easy, let alone for the freetime.

 

Sorry for not commenting Essay's on the story, instead I commenting on complety different thing.

 

As bethesda being bought by microsoft, good news for future games? not too good for modding? We don't know.

 

Honestly, Im not sure if I want to do anything with skyrim or just not bother it, its been really a decade isn't it? 2011 was quite a while ago.

 

I can feel honestly the thing to have the own setting, at least something what not feel TES or a fanfiction.

 

Unlike others, I not really used anything outside modding and what I had to make the best out of it.

 

Other authors use photoshop extremly and ck for making their own assets, thats a lot of time.

 

You worked on 3 months or more for one release, not counting ck and photoshop, thats a lot of effort, I can see why you feel that way about it or even worried you can't claim your efforts of years and creative work as your own, due eula and things like that.

 

I worked on Gwynolda's story since 2017, thats 3y now, but I not regret anything, I improved a lot as an author, and my writing found its style. The former old authors, who's work were unreachable and all awe and awesome for me,.. Well I confidently can say, I feel I surpassed them, both visually and writing wise, but those persons are either dissapeared from LL, only to be found in your library.

 

As for the storytellers, we out grew them 😊.

 

Maybe time to move to the next step for our full potential?

 

Look at yourself and others, some of them make comics, some just can dream of, I argue some better then then what others print out and sell in shops ^^. Some Vampire stories surpass anything in the tv-shows and movies ^^. And some try utilise horror as it meant be used, while the rest of horror movie makers forgot it. Some make better porn then what those studios and some erotic writers who sell their books can dream off ^^.

 

There is something, they can't take from you, no matter what. Your talent and skill and creative mind. As long as that is there, you can do anything, potential is limitless.

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Malicia : « I was browsing in my Sigil to see if people liked me, and I saw that Tirloque hadn't answered to Resdayn, no. And even if Resdayn is very saucy, it wasn't deserved.

 

               So I very told him he was completely silly, and that he should very fix it, yes. :classic_sleepy: »

 

RESDAYN the saucy (with excuses)

 

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Sorry Resdayn, I saw your post but for some reason forgot to included it in the multiquote. I'll try to fix this by answering you first. :classic_angel:

 

On 9/26/2020 at 12:00 PM, Resdayn said:

Well it took ages and a decade to see, you finally finish your story ^^, not gonna lie this was quite an unexpected ending.

 

Tragic 😨.

I had warned from the start this wouldn't be the usual lighthearted I previously did. Tragic stories can be hurtful to a good-ending awaiting reader, but can convey some emotions that might durably strike their minds as well. Best example I see (on another scale though) is Ridley Scott's Gladiator, which despite being tragic, was a masterwork from the beginning till the end.

 

 

 

On 9/26/2020 at 12:00 PM, Resdayn said:

Yeah, I can agree on that sentiment, I just wish I wasn't that lazy ass when it comes to my arts 😅, since I plan to move to that from game-based stories.

 

Once I have a decent one of course, could be a years or even a decade.

 

I look forward for your official world and works my friend and wish the best luck for it.

 

Still I hope you stay in the LL, even if you no longer publish skyrims stories.

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make a discord!

Don't worry, I haven't planned to go anywhere. As for your arts, I do wish you the best regarding them. Even if, eventually, like with everything, we have to move our asses to get where we want to be. :classic_wink:

 

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make a discord!

Maybe. :classic_biggrin:

7 hours ago, Resdayn said:

Scenarios, ideas may can be stolen, but they not work without the creative mind who made them work ^^. Even if stole everything, they can't make a new chapter what match the quality or characters, or write..

 

I still remember Shockero's character and how much common the blue coldharbor daedras became, or Sashholin? Sasholin? Not sure the name anymore, but they had a certain slutty character design, which people still try recreate in the LL community or try make it as follower..

 

Devi told me a lot ^^ about how hard to re-create my style of screenshots, and we just talking about screen archery, not even the writing, the plans, the intentions and character, which all make it work.  You saw, how much I failed re-create Malicia, parody or not. My re-creations of Devi's Trinn had more with my own style then her, she looked someone way different.

The scenario indeed could be stolen. As for the technical skills to recreate, for one they would have the same EULA trouble if it was known, and indeed, aside of directly reusing the screens it'd be hard to mimic the same thing. But our concepts/scenarios/characters are quite unprotected. We storytellers have sub-par rights in this digital world, and it bothers me. 

7 hours ago, Resdayn said:

New site with monetisation sounds a bit big quest 🤔, and of course getting a an user base and readers.

 

Noble idea for the creators and for those who enjoy the content, technicly might douable, but don't even sound remotely easy, let alone for the freetime.

Nah, that wouldn't be easy. But aside from writing a pure text book (and even that is not that easy), finding an illustrator wouldn't be easy either. Though making a site would allow us to do what we have expertise in, it would come with a gamble. So whatever the choice, easy doesn't seems to be among them.

7 hours ago, Resdayn said:

As bethesda being bought by microsoft, good news for future games? not too good for modding? We don't know.

 

Honestly, Im not sure if I want to do anything with skyrim or just not bother it, its been really a decade isn't it? 2011 was quite a while ago.

 

I can feel honestly the thing to have the own setting, at least something what not feel TES or a fanfiction.

 

Unlike others, I not really used anything outside modding and what I had to make the best out of it.

 

Other authors use photoshop extremly and ck for making their own assets, thats a lot of time.

 

You worked on 3 months or more for one release, not counting ck and photoshop, thats a lot of effort, I can see why you feel that way about it or even worried you can't claim your efforts of years and creative work as your own, due eula and things like that.

 

I worked on Gwynolda's story since 2017, thats 3y now, but I not regret anything, I improved a lot as an author, and my writing found its style. The former old authors, who's work were unreachable and all awe and awesome for me,.. Well I confidently can say, I feel I surpassed them, both visually and writing wise, but those persons are either dissapeared from LL, only to be found in your library.

 

As for the storytellers, we out grew them 😊.

 

Maybe time to move to the next step for our full potential?

 

Look at yourself and others, some of them make comics, some just can dream of, I argue some better then then what others print out and sell in shops ^^. Some Vampire stories surpass anything in the tv-shows and movies ^^. And some try utilise horror as it meant be used, while the rest of horror movie makers forgot it. Some make better porn then what those studios and some erotic writers who sell their books can dream off ^^.

 

There is something, they can't take from you, no matter what. Your talent and skill and creative mind. As long as that is there, you can do anything, potential is limitless.

Thanks for all those good words Resdayn, there are a lot of truths and of good feelings in what you wrote. Everyone of us in this community did evolve to surpass his/her former self regarding storytelling. Now, we all have our weaknesses and our strongsuits ; but the path to a complete skillset often comes with correcting the first ones.

 

Anyhow, I am truly persuaded that some of us do produce work that is already worth some professional one, and that most of us have one aspect that reaches towards that. And that why it hurts to see people selling and monetizing without ever questionning themselves, why we get the right to be happy and shut up. It's just not fair, and only self-proclaimed EULAs stand in our way. Juridically, it's not even sure they have the right to take rights away from us. 

 

Thanks for your attention, my friend. :classic_wink:

 

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12 hours ago, Devianna said:

TL:DR Great chapter and a lovely, if sad, ending to Book 1. Hopefully we will get to see Book 2 at some point in the future. But even if we don’t, thank you for sharing your creation with us. It was a real pleasure to read and to follow Tabi’s adventure. 🤗

 

Somehow I get the feeling you’re not going to simply stop at the “TL:DR” mark, 😉 so let me tell you a story. I’ve read your new chapter yesterday and really liked all of the photoshop effects, screenshot setup, the writing and dialogues. But for some reason I just wasn’t ‘feeling it’. Sure, it was sad and grim but it was more like a favorite NPC dying, rather than a beloved companion and a partner. “Alright,” I thought to myself, “time to make some coffee and try this again. I’m obviously missing something.” Half a cup of heavenly liquid and one (ok, maybe 2) pastries later I returned to your chapter and this time around I clicked on the music links that you provided. Normally I read stories in silence but you include those soundtracks in your chapters for a reason which means they are part of inspiration for your scenarios and also part of the tale itself. I wanted to understand the chapter fully.

 

With the first notes of music the whole episode transformed. Benor’s last thoughts became audible. Tabi’s tears turned real, her anguish - palpable. Her despair echoed through the walls of the cursed burrow halls which now held one extra inhabitant in eternal slumber. “So that’s what you were trying to show” I whispered to myself, “the breaking point of a pure, noble, if at times naive, soul.” The music added that one last piece that turned a story chapter from an entertaining read into an experience. 

 

Happy with my conclusion I headed out to sleep but as the morning came, something was still nagging at me. Somehow the events still didn’t paint the whole picture. Or perhaps they did and I wasn’t seeing it. I went back to LL and opened up your blog to the beginning entry of Mourning White, all the way  from 2017. And there it was, staring back at me from the very first screenshot. The whole thing was a flashback!  A memory!  By the time Tabi started writing this tale, Benor was already dead! So many things became clearer then. Tabi’s narration was always in past tense and always tinted with underlying sadness and self-blame. The encounter with the mage and then with Urunach, the strange black, miasmic magic - all of those weren’t random adventures, but a setup for a larger, epic tale, which I’m guessing was supposed to span over multiple books/seasons. I was both once again overcome with admiration for the scope of work, time and passion that you’ve put into your tale and also with a sense of light embarrassment. After all, I’ve discovered something that most of your readers have probably known from the start. Be it as it may, it was my take on your masterfully composed tale and my conclusion is the same as indicated in TL:DR version - it was an absolute pleasure to read.

Woav, that's quite the review here ! :O

 

Indeed, your sharingans didn't betray you : Benor was indeed dead when Tabrielle decided to write their story. And your right as well, that's why she seems to be constantly blaming herself about it, since she thinks that if she had been more powerful, she maybe could've prevented that. And this conditioned her future being in many, many ways. And about the books/seasons, well there is the book 2, and there was even things planned for afterwards.

 

12 hours ago, Devianna said:

And now on to part 2 ( you didn’t think I’d skip on your ‘author’s note’, did you now?😋). I can certainly understand your frustration with Bethesda’s EULA and your apprehension of publishing other parts of your work. But I have to agree with SpyVsPie there - regardless of the assets used for screens, the story and characters are all yours and no lawyer can take that away. The affront to literature that is ‘50 shades of gray’ aside, I know of a few examples where modders/storytellers who started out with sharing their work for free went on to successfully use their characters in a different setting and made excellent commercial products. One such example is a Neverwinter 1 mod called Demonheart. The mod and story was so masterfully written that it gained a large following. Seeing the story’s popularity the modder decided to try their hand at creating a game using the same general characters and plot but changing the setting of the story a bit (so not to have anything Neverwinter related in it). They ended up creating 2 games, one a visual novel and another an actual RPG which are now being sold on Steam and receive very positive reviews. From what I know they are now working on their 3d game but all of it started very much the same way we do things here on LL - writing an entertaining and lewd story and sharing it with the readers. Obviously you as the author know best what you want to publish and when and whether you wish to share your creations with others without getting any financial compensation in return. After all, our gratitude for your stories might feel nice but it won’t help you pay the bills or put food on your table. However if I may make a suggestion - you can always use LL as a platform to test out reader’s reactions and overall reception of your tales and scenarios. You can see what works and what doesn’t, what’s popular and what garners attention. This way you’ll gain an overall idea of how to adjust your story and turn it into something profitable should you decide to publish it by commercial means (making a book, comics, game and so on).

Don't worry, I don't intend to leave our community all of a sudden. And even if I were to choose a regular, commercial application to my stories, I think I would still publish some little somethings here from time to time. And there is still the option to go for a website of our own, which would allow me to continue my stories, while offering an alternative support for my fellow storytellers. Heck, I've got some thinking to do it seems. ^^

12 hours ago, Devianna said:

And so with regards to this chapter in particular, to the story as a whole and to all the time and energy that you spend helping out newcomers, maintaining law and order in the blog section and keeping our small storyteller community together, allow me to conclude in a typical Devianna fashion :

 

 

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Thanks a lot Devianna !

 

For the small (smowl ? :classic_biggrin:) attention, and for all the time you took to write such a detailed an heartful review despite your usual busy dailylife. Smiley_jap_HFR.gif

 

 

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22 hours ago, SpyVsPie said:

Yeah it would be no different than ads here and even starting a patreon or something to pay for the site would be kosher. What a great idea :unamused::sweat_smile:

The difference would be that the site would also have a SFW part, since creating adult content would be a possibility and not mandatory. Possibly bringing more exposure from different sources.

But yeah, nothing is really free, so there would be ads, and patreons, and all those things. Yet all of that wouldn't go in the same pocket, implying that successful authors could get to have something significant in the end.

22 hours ago, SpyVsPie said:

Scenario no but character yes, it's pretty tough to recreate one from scratch. Ideas get stolen all the time in every sort of creative medium so that's hardly a unique issue.

It's not unique, but if you don't copyprotect your work you can learn that the hard way.

 

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On 9/26/2020 at 8:20 PM, Alter Native said:

Not exactly sure what you have in mind here and how much time you are willing to commit, but recently there are a couple of games/interactive stories released on steam using DAZ, just in case you're interested:

 

Fashion Business (of which there should be a free version out there somewhere... 
https://decent-monkey.com

and City of Broken Dreamers, (definitely look that one up via Steam, it's fantastic, an interactive xxx novel in a cyberpunk universe)

 

There's of course also a market for pure novel without any interactivity.

If I was in your position, that's what I'd do.

I did some porting from DAZ to Skyrim and overhaul the program is fairly easy to use, but of course if you want to create high quality content it takes some time as always.

And you can also port Skyrim characters/assets into DAZ if you have the technical skills, but it works.

 

There are also storefronts for selling stories but most of them are pretty heavy in the xxx area, but there seems to be a market and an infrastructure for it.

Well that's a possibility. Though I think for DAZ to be usable, getting used to importing Skyrim assets or creating them from scratch would be somewhat mandatory, since DAZ's paid assets' prices quickly would become dissuasive.

 

I'll consider it, and might check those, thanks for the suggestion, ALter. :classic_smile:

 

 

 

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Well that's a possibility. Though I think for DAZ to be usable, getting used to importing Skyrim assets or creating them from scratch would be somewhat mandatory, since DAZ's paid assets' prices quickly would become dissuasive.

 

I'll consider it, and might check those, thanks for the suggestion, ALter. :classic_smile:

 

There are less then reputable websites with entire libraries for 'free'. 

Could be a place to get started see how things go from there.

 

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Oh man...  you're killing it with the effects!! They were really well done!!

And the way you layer pics over others, reminds me of when I used to read comics!!

Super cool, and very enjoyable read 😃

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The return of @Tirloque.  Glad to see you're still posting 🙂 ,  makes 2020 that much more bearable.  

 

Even with the darker themes in this final chapter of the book, I appreciate that you took the time to add some levity.  The wavy arm effects in the bathroom, Jolkas being a stand up (perverted) guy, even the Interaction between Frabbi and her man were very funny.  I can't help feel the fight with Jolkas' was inspired by your first under leveled fight with a Draugr deathlord. 

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At least it reminds me of mine.  :sweat_smile: 

 

 

It hurts to talk about Benor, but he went out in an honorable way.  Looking forward to seeing how this shapes Tabrielle in the future.  Great Entry!  

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15 hours ago, Alter Native said:

There are less then reputable websites with entire libraries for 'free'. 

Could be a place to get started see how things go from there.

I'm not too fond of less then reputable materials, if we're thinking at the same thing. Smiley_whistle_HFR.gif

 

DAZ is a possibility, but I think having Bethesda contacted by a comics editor, going for a regular book or drawn comic, or even creating a website tailored for our needs are viable options too.

14 hours ago, Aristoslowpoke said:

the editing and the effect are just oozing with love and care for the story. props to that.

Thanks ! I'm kind of a perfectionnist, and as since Endeavors of the Prince I gained enough experience to get close to what I want, I use the opportunities to do so. It's pleasant for that to get noticed ! 

13 hours ago, WANOBI12 said:

Oh man...  you're killing it with the effects!! They were really well done!!

And the way you layer pics over others, reminds me of when I used to read comics!!

Super cool, and very enjoyable read 😃

Praises from the master of the effects ! Smiley_ayuluna_HFR.gif

 

It's partly to you that I owe managing to get there (for the blood and tears effects in particular). You've been away from our community for quite some time, but your lessons weren't forgotten !

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As for the layout, it is in fact intended as a comic one, to try myself at using every bit of space like comic makers do... and possibly ease an export to that format. It's about the same size than Joe Benitez's Lady Mechanika, which in terms of layout and drawing is for me a work of art.

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Thanks for your praise, Wanobi ! :D

7 hours ago, djregs said:

The return of @Tirloque.  Glad to see you're still posting 🙂 ,  makes 2020 that much more bearable.  

 

Even with the darker themes in this final chapter of the book, I appreciate that you took the time to add some levity.  The wavy arm effects in the bathroom, Jolkas being a stand up (perverted) guy, even the Interaction between Frabbi and her man were very funny.  I can't help feel the fight with Jolkas' was inspired by your first under leveled fight with a Draugr deathlord. 

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At least it reminds me of mine.  :sweat_smile: 

 

Well, the story is darker, but it's still a Tirloque story. So even if it's more obvious when Malicia has the first role, there are still sparks of that very same humor here and there. Glad someone noticed all of them. In particular Jolkas having a soft spot for women (though he didn't let that interfere too much with his warrior's duty), and Tabrielle frenetically trying to redress upon being caught half naked. As for Frabbi, I tried to add more depth to her scorn towards her husband, by turning it into some kind of feminism... but a rueful, bitter one in fact. Making Kleptr the °1 target of her puns. :lol:

 

And you're spot on about the draugr. In fact, the way it happened during my ingame playthrough is close to what I described here, as while Tabrielle (as a PC) was indeed confronted to a high level draugr that regenerated too quickly for her to beat him with her lightning or even her scimitar. So, being used for Benor to get up after being put in an out of combat state, I decided to lure the draugr away, while I would let Benor handle the small fries. And the fight lasted for extremely long (30 maybe 40' ! ), with me discovering that fire was the only thing non costly enough for me to regenerate the mana faster than the draugr would regenerate his life. However, what I had forgotten is that the Monolith fireballs was scripted, and so that it didn't stopped firing at followers even in out of combat state. So when I finally came back, I indeed found Benor dead.  

 

I didn't go for an Inspired from real facts stamp, though. :classic_tongue:

7 hours ago, djregs said:

It hurts to talk about Benor, but he went out in an honorable way.  Looking forward to seeing how this shapes Tabrielle in the future.  Great Entry!  

She considers him as the most honorable, loyal and strongest man she has ever met. Though he was physically impressively built even for a Nord, she has the bias of the lover regarding the strength part. But the honorable and loyal part are true I think. He was truly devoted to her ; and had all the principles of an honorable warrior.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tirloque said:

DAZ is a possibility, but I think having Bethesda contacted by a comics editor, going for a regular book or drawn comic, or even creating a website tailored for our needs are viable options too.

So there is nothing about creating a website, that actually sounds pretty interesting. However I don't think that you as author are big enough for even getting a response from Bethesda. If this was a super big community maybe, but Bethesda is not even communicating with the modding community which way way bigger then the storyteller community. 

 

In the end this is all fan fiction and all of that is in a legal grey area. Technically every cosplay is a copyright violation (that is not persecuted of course, but technically it is) same goes for fan fiction. You are reusing, characters locations etc. that are not your own creation.

Maybe have a look at similar cases in other communities with a larger fan fic community.

Harry Potter, Twilight comes to mind with plenty of fan fiction. Maybe you can get some legal clarity there.

 

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1 hour ago, Alter Native said:

So there is nothing about creating a website, that actually sounds pretty interesting. However I don't think that you as author are big enough for even getting a response from Bethesda. If this was a super big community maybe, but Bethesda is not even communicating with the modding community which way way bigger then the storyteller community. 

 

In the end this is all fan fiction and all of that is in a legal grey area. Technically every cosplay is a copyright violation (that is not persecuted of course, but technically it is) same goes for fan fiction. You are reusing, characters locations etc. that are not your own creation.

Maybe have a look at similar cases in other communities with a larger fan fic community.

Harry Potter, Twilight comes to mind with plenty of fan fiction. Maybe you can get some legal clarity there.

That's why creating a site is an option, because it would allow some fanfictions to be monetized while staying in the grey area.

 

As for being contacted from a book publisher, I imagine that if Bethesda was contact by ShonenJump, Dargaud or Marvel they wouldn't instantly cast away the request. Of course, it's unlikely for those precise publishers to be interested in fan fictions, but we might get a shot at catching the eye of smaller ones, which might in return contact Beth. 
Another option would be to modify the content by erasing TES references from it. In your case for example, you're using custom chars into custom areas, so it's not obvious it's done using Skyrim assets at all.

 

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14 minutes ago, Tirloque said:

As for being contacted from a book publisher, I imagine that if Bethesda was contact by ShonenJump, Dargaud or Marvel they wouldn't instantly cast away the request. Of course, it's unlikely for those precise publishers to be interested in fan fictions, but we might get a shot at catching the eye of smaller ones, which might in return contact Beth. 
Another option would be to modify the content by erasing TES references from it. In your case for example, you're using custom chars into custom areas, so it's not obvious it's done using Skyrim assets at all.

Ture, I think the only vanilla character I'm actually using is Harkon the rest could fit in a random fantasy universe. 

However the real problem is the usage of the engine. Just by taking screenshot within the engine creates the problem.

Even if Bethesda were to allow it. You'd still have to deal with the mod authors whose work you are mostly using. Technically they need to be compensated to. The whole thing quickly turns into a nightmare that's probably not worth it.

Best thing could be something like a patreon for story content, but I doubt many people would be will to pay large amounts of money for mediocre fan fiction when you can just get a book for a couple of euros.

 

That website however sounds interesting, something like curated fan fiction and screenshot stories posted there, maybe with some boni not directly linked to the screenshots itself if you throw in a couple of bugs. Maybe that could work, but again I doubt there'd be rivers of money.

 

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19 likes for an entry without sex scenes ! That's quite a lot considering we're on LL...

Thanks for your appreciation, guys ! :D

 

55 minutes ago, Alter Native said:

Ture, I think the only vanilla character I'm actually using is Harkon the rest could fit in a random fantasy universe. 

However the real problem is the usage of the engine. Just by taking screenshot within the engine creates the problem.

Even if Bethesda were to allow it. You'd still have to deal with the mod authors whose work you are mostly using. Technically they need to be compensated to. The whole thing quickly turns into a nightmare that's probably not worth it.

When you do use a pen, what you write with it is your property, not the pens makers'.

When you do use Phostoshop, what you create with it is your property, not Adobe's.

 

There is no law that enforces that the screens you do take, of videos you could make of you playing Skyrim are Zenimax's property. Their EULA is made to make you think the contrary, but so far the laws do not cover that aspect.

 

As for modders, well I've donated to some, and for those who consider their work should remain free, nothing but support and appreciation can be shown. 

55 minutes ago, Alter Native said:

Best thing could be something like a patreon for story content, but I doubt many people would be will to pay large amounts of money for mediocre fan fiction when you can just get a book for a couple of euros.

 

That website however sounds interesting, something like curated fan fiction and screenshot stories posted there, maybe with some boni not directly linked to the screenshots itself if you throw in a couple of bugs. Maybe that could work, but again I doubt there'd be rivers of money.

Honestly, particularly at first, its probable the amount of money would be quite low. But, as Spy and you rightly mentionned, if we were doing it for money, would we be there in the first place ?

 

However :

  • There might be a lot of people searching for a place to share their 3D stories or their fan-made works. Having a stable place to do so might give them the exposure some of them want. Kind of a deviant art, but for stories.
  • The website could be thought in a way that redistributes part of the gain to the authors (would they wish so, it won't be mandatory for those explicitly not wishing it) ; but also as a platform to ease the support to the authors/website/or both via Patreon. So if some readers really like some content, and start being significantly many, it might lead to not so negligible amounts.
  • It would also be partly structured like a "super" small library, and tailored for our needs.
  • And  : the web type of media would also increase the chances of gathering people liking "niche" types of works (such as adult fictions) — Also it wouldn't be a site featuring purely adult content, so there are chances it wouldn't be defamed from regular sharing medias as LL is.

 

So... considering the fact we love what we do, and that nowaday's world evolves towards new forms of publishing, I now think the idea could be interesting. 🤔

 

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