For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[RitualClarity]

16 hours ago, VeraDra said:

Deleting a file is often much harder than clicking "delete" and calling it a day.

 

The nexus has a lot of servers that may not be able to delete files with no warning, so archival is used to at least hide it from public view, prior to being removed.

 

Correction/Clarification , they can delete the files without warning. they would just put the files into the Que and when maintenance is being done they would delete them. you are correct on that they will hide the file before being removed. With I believe 7 servers.. it shouldn't be that hard to remove the files in a timely manner. Of course depending on their backup systems these .. hopefully and assumed off line systems are only accessible by Nexus I.T staff... wouldn't be much of a concern as the public users wouldn't be able access these files. These can take more time to clean up. Much more time depending on staff and various other I.T related duties. But the essence of the author's request would be taken care of in a reasonable manner.

 

the problem is they have no intention of removing files now.  they are taking the stance if you upload something they hold an mutual license to your work forever. (not sure if you uploaded updated files elsewhere if they would claim those files as well... .)  This isn't respecting the authors, the authors that made Nexus what it is today.  It is biting the hands that fed it all these years.  Like a rabid dog... it is time to take it around back and put it down.  The problem is ... it might be too big to do this to and hence, why, they are likely tossing their weight around now. Smaller sites would never be able to pull something like this off.

 

They offer exposure, they offer many tools that can't be obtained elsewhere. Tools that some authors might wish to use going forward despite this change. Nothing wrong with this. I can see the value in the mod list from what I have read. I have no problem with this change personally... However, my problem is with them doing it to the already uploaded files claiming in 1 month it will be final. Some don't log in a regular basis. There should be a different process. Legacy mods, are automatic until officially requested to be removed. New mods are automatically included with the TOS that is signed in.  A simple compromise. It respects the author's work and establishes the future path that Nexus has decided to go on.

 

Doing what they are doing, is just bad Optics. There are many ways to introduce various changes that would upset many authors and users in a way that at least looks fair and reasonable. This just goes to show you that 1) they don't understand what they are doing and how to manage their IP or 2) they don't give a fuck and what we are seeing is exactly what they intend and they don't give a fuck otherwise. they are going to shove this down our throats in very much a manner that Bethesda has done. 

 

thinking of what has been going on, the Mods list gaining in popularity, etc. etc.  In hindsight, makes me think they had this planned for quite some time. Perhaps even as early on as early versions of Vortex.  If so, that is even worse. Instead of letting people get a nice heads up of upcoming changes, they wait to shove it down people throats.  Meaning, they didn't want a mass exodus from the site before they were able to secure all the mods

[Wolfshrike]

3 hours ago, catullus said:

Sure, mod authors have created mods. But why should they be able to arbitrarily delete something and spite thousands and thousands of users?

 

Because if it was offered for free, and you didn't directly pay dollary-dos for it, it's still theirs and ultimately, they can do whatever they want with it. To include delete it. 

 

 

[Papitas]

On 7/1/2021 at 10:08 PM, Contessa said:

So I'll be the devil's advocate here. How does this not benefit me, the user? Too many times I've seen mod authors throw a fit and just delete everything denying access to everyone that may have used their mods or relied on them to make other mods work. 

 

There are examples in this very thread. Punishing users because you got a burr up your butt about something they had nothing to do with.

 

And that's exactly why I'm not throwing a tantrum and deleting my mods there. 

 

Still, I'll just stop supporting them. Newer versions will be available only here. 

[RitualClarity]

7 minutes ago, Papitas said:

 

And that's exactly why I'm not throwing a tantrum and deleting my mods there. 

 

Still, I'll just stop supporting them. Newer versions will be available only here. 

What if they decide they need an updated version of the mod you have here. They are claiming mutual non exclusive ownership of the mod.  I see nothing stating that they won't get the files from elsewhere if it is part of their "collection"...   Abandon the mod there, they may just update it as needed. 

 

There was many correct ways to handle this situation. Nexus chose not to use any of them. This makes me worry, that they won't respect mods updated elsewhere. At least until someone slaps a nice class action law suit on their asses. 

[ZI0MATRIX]

51 minutes ago, Vader666 said:

 

Or think ahead and don't associate your modding or internet aliasas in general with your real life.

Even if its too late for that there are at least ways to mitigate the issue without deletion since even deletion does not mean it never happend.

 

 

Easy for us to see in hindsight, but you sure know it yourself that humans don't work that way.

 

If the stuff gets deleted, people still can plug the hole in the modding Pack/list, themself.

It is not like the original mod author has banned the concept/idea behind his mod on the internet. 

 

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

What if they decide they need an updated version of the mod you have here. They are claiming mutual non exclusive ownership of the mod.  I see nothing stating that they won't get the files from elsewhere if it is part of their "collection"...   Abandon the mod there, they may just update it as needed. 

 

There was many correct ways to handle this situation. Nexus chose not to use any of them. This makes me worry, that they won't respect mods updated elsewhere. At least until someone slaps a nice class action law suit on their asses. 

Which leads to another question.

Will authors deliberately sabotage modpacks?

"Oh, look, certain key mods detected? Run a script that triggers an infinite loading screen and overwrites half a dozen saves with it."

[sfdrake]

all I can say is ..damnnnnnnn

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, bishlapped said:

Will authors deliberately sabotage modpacks?

 

Seriously?

Is the whole modding community made by 12 years old guys?

[DoctaSax]

I can't imagine Nexus itself will trawl the internet looking for updated versions of mods in their collections to re-up them on Nexus. It means work, after all, and a license to host a file doesn't auto-grant them a license to new files, no way anybody can make that stick. If any such updated versions do show up in the collections, it'll be because the list curators put the new links in it themselves. It's a little unclear to me at the moment if their collection system will allow linkage outside Nexus too.

 

In any case, deletions aren't impossible with collections, see Steam and other outlets, and Nexus will be deleting things themselves that are illegal or otherwise problematic in their eyes. They just don't wan't 'arbitrary' deletions, ie deletions by modders, for reasons of their own. That position is hard to defend, which is why we're supposed to take it on faith that you can't have a collection system if modders can still delete stuff.

 

I don't know about you, but once I've built an install, no matter how, and it runs fine, I don't download entire mod collections anymore but get to playing. As a user, my install is either worked on, or functional. If a modder deletes a file from Nexus that I already have in my install or on my drive, it doesn't affect me one bit. If I haven't downloaded it yet, nothing is yet broken by what I can't download: my install is still in flux. All that can happen is people trigger an auto-install of a mod collection with stuff missing, which I'm sure you can warn them about somehow in the UI. Whoever composed the collection can either fix it, or not, no skin off anyone else's back, really.

[Tlam99]

For me the only severe impact I see, it becomes much more difficult to find interesting stuff.

For the mods I use I made a double backup, zips and the install itself.

I am not going to change the core skeleton of the setup, maybe test some new releases from this side, e.g. MNC or so.

Just sad, that all this mess chases away some experienced modders with lots of knowledge.

 

[MonVert]

17 minutes ago, CPU said:

 

Seriously?

Is the whole modding community made by 12 years old guys?

 

When I consider all the stuff I have read over the past years on reddit, and all this Nexus hullabaloo....

 

Yes

[Zor2k13]

Now I am starting to understand south koreans and their mod scene with their passwords and their real ID requirements just to download a mod:-( Thanks nexus for getting us to this point of understanding.

[mrdoodle]

Wow. About a week ago I was thinking about renewing my subscription on the site.

Glad I didn't.

[Papitas]

3 hours ago, RitualClarity said:

What if they decide they need an updated version of the mod you have here. They are claiming mutual non exclusive ownership of the mod.  I see nothing stating that they won't get the files from elsewhere if it is part of their "collection"...   Abandon the mod there, they may just update it as needed. 

 

There was many correct ways to handle this situation. Nexus chose not to use any of them. This makes me worry, that they won't respect mods updated elsewhere. At least until someone slaps a nice class action law suit on their asses. 

 

I think it's highly unlikely they devote resources to scurrying the internet to find an updated version of one of MY mods, but for famous modders that may be a real problem, I suppose. 

 

The first thing I can think to somewhat deal with that is to change the mod's name (but not the esp name, maybe?). That way maybe you can stop robots dead in their tracks. 

If a mod is big enough, major versions will be eventually released, and those are incompatible with previous ones, so changing the name may not be that of an issue. 

[Pamatronic]

1 hour ago, Zor2k13 said:

Now I am starting to understand south koreans and their mod scene with their passwords and their real ID requirements just to download a mod:-( Thanks nexus for getting us to this point of understanding.

The hell are you talking about? last time i checked i could downoad mods from korean sites with no problem.

Didnt even have to create an account,

[RitualClarity]

4 hours ago, DoctaSax said:

I , it'll be because the list curators put the new links in it themselves. It's a little unclear to me at the moment if their collection system will allow linkage outside Nexus too.

 

In any case, deletions aren't impossible with collections, see Steam and other outlets, and Nexus will be deleting things themselves that are illegal or otherwise problematic in their eyes. They just don't wan't 'arbitrary' deletions, ie deletions by modders, for reasons of their own. That position is hard to defend, which is why we're supposed to take it on faith that you can't have a collection system if modders can still delete stuff.

 

I don't know about you, but once I've built an install, no matter how, and it runs fine, I don't download entire mod collections anymore but get to playing. As a user, my install is either worked on, or functional. If a modder deletes a file from Nexus that I already have in my install or on my drive, it doesn't affect me one bit. If I haven't downloaded it yet, nothing is yet broken by what I can't download: my install is still in flux. All that can happen is people trigger an auto-install of a mod collection with stuff missing, which I'm sure you can warn them about somehow in the UI. Whoever composed the collection can either fix it, or not, no skin off anyone else's back, really.

I hadn't thought about that first comment. that the curators might do something to update. Also also don't know if or how they'd get mods from elsewhere. However, believe it is possible if they have the actual web link ID or whatever.

 

100% hit the nail on the head

 

I don't often agree with you on many things but I do 100% agree with the last part of the statement.  Basically meaning that they don't have any real reason other than your statement in Green as to why they are doing this.  That they want to control what is going on and not have decisions being made by the authors.

 

 

[RitualClarity]

5 hours ago, bishlapped said:

Which leads to another question.

Will authors deliberately sabotage modpacks?

"Oh, look, certain key mods detected? Run a script that triggers an infinite loading screen and overwrites half a dozen saves with it."

I am fairly confident that Nexus has something in store for that.  first, you'd have to have the mod active not hidden for that to be done I assume. Secondly, I can't see anyway a mod author could mess with this in the way you describe without seriously messing with the users of their mod there. (if not hidden)  the only thing I can see if if they wrote a script that made their mod not work with x,y, z mods but then they'd also be short changing their users of the mod.

 

I just see more and more people moving to patron. Putting any serious work behind pay walls.

[MadMansGun]

43 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

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actually we already have mods that do things like this, Eg there are some mods out there that quit the game if you have anything with "overpowered" items in it, or quit if you open the console.

 

hell even FNIS has/had a kill switch in it for that "moddrop" thing that showed up a few years ago.

[SmedleyDButler]

Before I say this, I will repeat that I completely agreement with the fact that mods belong to the modders, full stop, they put them up for free and don't owe anyone shit. I'm not looking to justify Nexus shitty moves, or the whinging of those users who no sense of proportion or reasonableness, and expect that modders should do as they say.

 

That said, one thing that does surprise me a bit is the modder attitude that argues people want things or should have things be difficult, or that learning to mod a game and get it running is always a rewarding and worthwhile process for the user.

 

Bullshit!

 

People are lazy! Like most things in nature, we (big generalization here) naturally seek the path of least resistance.

 

You don't need a themed modpack to rope in users. You just need to say, hey, you want to play a fancy modded version of [game] that looks like this [insert YouTube of curator's modded game]? Then just download my pack and off you go! Too many users would give zero shits about the rights of the mod authors if they even think about them at all.

 

The idea that everyone *wants* to work for days or weeks or months to get a stable modlist really is that sort of noble "Linux" idea that everyone should take ownership of their activities, and have full control. And it's a good ideal - yet Windows is the dominant OS. Why? Because it more or less works AND because it's become an entrenched standard. Even though there are very easy-to-use distros of Linux, people still find themselves falling into just rolling on with Windows because life is short and they don't particularly care about their OS so long as it works. Apple is of course even worse, with their all-consuming walled-garden whitelist-only approach, which leaves even less control in the hands of content creators.

 

Do I want to make my own modlist and make sure all the parts work together smoothly and maintain it myself? Yes, I do. Do I think this is a lot of work and something of a pain in the pass and a barrier to just playing? Yes, I do! Not a week goes by where I don't download some mods and think about starting up a new Skyrim run, but then I think about the work involved in getting the mods to play nice and I feel exhausted before I even start. For me, there's no satisfaction in completing that task, there's just burnout - and the creeping doubt that some undiscovered bug will destroy my next playthrough after you've sunk hours and hours into it, thinking my modding was done.

 

Am I going to use modpacks? Hell no. Even a theoretically-ethical one where all authors involved approved and maintained it, is unlikely to line up with how I'd want to mod the game in terms of things to do, places to go, combat styles or playstyles, tweaks, etc. etc. Modding games to fix problems with a game or add fun content is my favourite way to play games, and I find I dislike games you can't mod at all more all the time, and I know that if I DO want to play the game exactly the way I want it, modded, I've got to get out and do the work myself.

 

But let's be real. For most of us filthy casuals the work of integrating large numbers of complicated mods fucking sucks. It's not inherently entertaining or rewarding or any of that stuff to me. I do learn things from modding, and that at least I don't mind, but for most of us it's a bunch of crap to slog through to get what you want: A working game, modded just the way you want it.

 

So I completely understand not caring that much and just wanting to play. Hell, there's people who play vanilla Skyrim (the horror!) who are perfectly happy with that! So why wouldn't someone who's not too particular try the 'Apple' or 'Microsoft' version of modding?

[Guest]

6 hours ago, CPU said:

 

Seriously?

Is the whole modding community made by 12 years old guys?

From what i heard from some people discussing the matter in Social Media. Yep. Alot will do it. I can confirm.

I do understand how they want to sabotage the whole thing but... It's ridiculous.

 

I doubt anyone of the Serious mod creators will do though. It seems unlikely but i wont bet onmy life either

[FauxFurry]

6 hours ago, T-lam said:

For me the only severe impact I see, it becomes much more difficult to find interesting stuff.

For the mods I use I made a double backup, zips and the install itself.

I am not going to change the core skeleton of the setup, maybe test some new releases from this side, e.g. MNC or so.

Just sad, that all this mess chases away some experienced modders with lots of knowledge.

 

Searching for and finding interesting mods that no one else knows about then sharing news of your find is all part of the fun.

[Shubal]

People need to understand that the "mod collection" thing is just a bullshit smoke screen to cover Mr. Darks plan to seize ownership of mod authors work.

[MonVert]

4 minutes ago, Shubal said:

People need to understand that the "mod collection" thing is just a bullshit smoke screen to cover Mr. Darks plan to seize ownership of mod authors work.

 

This sounds about as plausible as Ashal trying to turn everyone on LL into Lesbians.

[Shubal]

9 minutes ago, MonVert said:

 

This sounds about as plausible as Ashal trying to turn everyone on LL into Lesbians.

It is far easier to take control of peoples work with lies than it is to make aberrants out of normal folks.

[Kendo 2]

14 minutes ago, Shubal said:

People need to understand that the "mod collection" thing is just a bullshit smoke screen to cover Mr. Darks plan to seize ownership of mod authors work.

 

He's stated as much in the past.  At one time he was on this 'abandoned mod' kick where he was going to claim mods that HE felt were abandoned.  After he got roasted for it and people threatening to pull all their mods off Nerxus he sat down and shut the fuck up like a good little girl.  And lets not forget the mods he did steal when Nerxus was still TESSource and he was a sniveling little high school worm.  The handful of Oblivion mods he had up were never his to begin with.  He STOLE them from modders who were banned.

 

Anyone who doesn't think he's capable of doing that kind of shit again is either a shill or goddamned stupid.