For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[27X]

1 hour ago, Gameplayer said:

Lol just think of what a flop the mod scene is going to be with the next release.

 

Nah, folks like Elianora will spin it up as "only the good virtuous real actual modders are left, as it should be" while literally still bucking for job at Bethesda and shitting on anyone who dares not grovel at her feet.

 

And she'll be just as shocked when bethesda closes that content avenue and leaves her behind.

[27X]

8 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

Using an API does not count as redistributing.

 

The fuck it doesn't. I work in the industry. Just stop talking. You're 0-6, and wouldn't know a fact if it fell on you.

[DoneBye]

15 minutes ago, fapman83 said:

meh put theyr names on user search and nothing appears x.x

edit:nevermind just google it

Let me add XunAmarox to that list.

[sad rabbit]

soo modders can't remove theyr mods from nexus and what else prejudicing the modders? i don't gonna read all that SOMEONE can tell me?

[27X]

2 hours ago, Shubal said:

Robin gets rich

 

Kind of hard for a trust fund baby to get rich.

[Reginald_001]

14 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

It does not bundle mods. You have yet to prove it does in any legitimate capacity.

 

If it did, a single .wabbajack file would be in the gigabytes, yet a relatively large one (TPF), is only 80MB. (164MB when decompresssed)

 

Point to me EXACTLY which WJ file INCLUDES mods that are bundled (NOT downloaded via an API for LoversLab, The Nexus, etc), that are also NOT made by the modlist author SPECIFICALLY for that modlist.

 

Redistributing MUST imply it is bundled. Using an API does not count as redistributing.

Wabbajack 'distributes' altered versions of the ESP's. The reason behind this (words from the WJ authors themselves) is to make sure any incompatibilities are fixed in their release. So even though the assets themselves aren't 100% being redistributed, most often the alterations are. It's not like in old times when people would download 50 mods off the internet and sell them on CD-Roms for BIG money in stores, which is how I once found one of my mods in the early 00's.

 

And it's not ALL bad concerning Wobbjack. I personally see a service there for the 'lazy' users that just don't have time or inclination to get their own LO's in order. The thing that upsets me (and I think many other modders) is the LACK OF CHOICE in the matter.

 

Not even a word, not even a single line: 'Hey Reg.. do you mind if I add your mod to this mod pack?'
 

Me: "Why sure I don't! I'm honored. Please let me know how I can assist it making it MAXIMUM compatible with whatever mods your are packing it with. Also, redirect me to the feedback pages so I can gather how people react to it and gauge what can be improved with the mod. In fact.. you know what? Let me know what to do when an update for my mod is ready, so we can maximize the user experience."

And that is where all the 'moral' behind the modpacks starts tearing at the seams. I tried talking to Wabbajack and am always open for discussion and collaboration. But I have ONE RULE. It's a SYMBIOTIC relationship. Not a PARASITIC one.

[t.ara]

 

?Sollution: ?RELOCATION?TO?LoversLab?

[GrimReaper]

Modding is dead anyway, noticed it when instead of pirating games like in the days of yore I find myself pirating mods nowadays. Never thought it would ever come to this tbh but here we are.

[Guest]

Modders have till some time in august to tell Nexus to remove all your mods, as of right now you cannot remove them yourself, after that all you can do is hide them, Nexus can still use them in mod pack, which they claim will be free to everyone, but if you read it, it will be a big advantage to premium members.

 

Nexus is trying to justify it with the mod point system or whatever that is, that gives back to the Modder, but from what I hear, it all benefits Nexus

 

I really don't care about them using mods for packs, if they had asked, its the fact that in the end, they will be making money off them, having people buy premium memberships, so I pulled mine.

[DoneBye]

14 minutes ago, fapman83 said:

soo modders can't remove theyr mods from nexus and what else prejudicing the modders? i don't gonna read all that SOMEONE can tell me?

They don't own their mods anymore.

[RitualClarity]

On 7/4/2021 at 1:34 PM, Reginald_001 said:

they admitted to EDITING the ESP's as THEY SEE FIT. Thereby altering and redistributing the work of other mod-authors.

 

Don't try to convince ME other wise, because I know this shit first hand alright?

 

(edit) I guess it's that time again for...

 

They are editing the mods without the mod authors knowledge?
 

Has this been confirmed?

 

If so, it is a shitty thing to do. Not to mention can seriously fuck up the author when support request come in for that mod.

 

I don't know this system that is being done well. From what I understand..there is no reason you can't copy over what they did and publish it for free.

 

[DoneBye]

35 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

Nah, folks like Elianora will spin it up as "only the good virtuous real actual modders are left, as it should be" while literally still bucking for job at Bethesda and shitting on anyone who dares not grovel at her feet.

 

And she'll be just as shocked when bethesda closes that content avenue and leaves her behind.

I look at her mods and I keep wondering just what kind of job does she want. Feature Design? Content Design? Game Design? Character Design? Level Design? Artist? 2D/3D Artist?

I'm not sure any of that fits into the "re-texture and copy-paste" that she posts, other than maybe one of the Artist jobs?

I'm a Game Designer and my wife is a Level/Feature Designer. I mean... what do we know...

 

Isn't she happy in her supposed Indie game?

[GrimReaper]

4 minutes ago, DoneBye said:

I look at her mods and I keep wondering just what kind of job does she want.

Getting paid for being a terminally online twitter addict if I had to take a guess.

[27X]

5 minutes ago, DoneBye said:

I look at her mods and I keep wondering just what kind of job does she want. Feature Design? Content Design? Game Design? Character Design? Level Design? Artist? 2D/3D Artist?

I'm not sure any of that fits into the "re-texture and copy-paste" that she posts, other than maybe one of the Artist jobs?

I'm a Game Designer and my wife is a Level/Feature Designer. I mean... what do we know...

 

Isn't she happy in her supposed Indie game?

 

Level/Enviro design.

[VeraDra]

30 minutes ago, fapman83 said:

soo modders can't remove theyr mods from nexus and what else prejudicing the modders? i don't gonna read all that SOMEONE can tell me?

mods get archived instead of deleted so that the new collections feature doesn't break when a mod author throws a temper tantrum and nukes all their mods.

 

This is the root of what is changing, but clearly, some mod authors have a sense of entitlement and refuse to let their mods be available once they no longer wish to maintain them.

 

FTR: "Mod authors do not owe you anything" is true, and likewise, "Mod users do not owe you anything" is just as equally true.

 

32 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

The fuck it doesn't. I work in the industry. 

It's redistributing in the same way as me telling someone they can get a specific item at Walmart. 

 

28 minutes ago, Reginald_001 said:

Wabbajack 'distributes' altered versions of the ESP's. The reason behind this (words from the WJ authors themselves) is to make sure any incompatibilities are fixed in their release. So even though the assets themselves aren't 100% being redistributed, most often the alterations are. It's not like in old times when people would download 50 mods off the internet and sell them on CD-Roms for BIG money in stores, which is how I once found one of my mods in the early 00's.

The exact words as found on the Wabbajack github's README.md:

Quote

This basically means original + patch = final and we only include patch in the .wabbajack file which, by itself, is just gibberish and completely useless without the original file. This allows us to distribute arbitrary changes without violating copyrights as we do not copy copyrighted material. Instead, we copy instructions on how to modify the copyrighted material.

It's a binary patch as well, so it patches the .esp file to be binary-identical to the end resullt if you told someone exactly how to patch it themselves with instructions.

 

28 minutes ago, Reginald_001 said:

And it's not ALL bad concerning Wobbjack. I personally see a service there for the 'lazy' users that just don't have time or inclination to get their own LO's in order. The thing that upsets me (and I think many other modders) is the LACK OF CHOICE in the matter.

 

Not even a word, not even a single line: 'Hey Reg.. do you mind if I add your mod to this mod pack?'
 

Me: "Why sure I don't! I'm honored. Please let me know how I can assist it making it MAXIMUM compatible with whatever mods your are packing it with. Also, redirect me to the feedback pages so I can gather how people react to it and gauge what can be improved with the mod. In fact.. you know what? Let me know what to do when an update for my mod is ready, so we can maximize the user experience."

I do not see a reason why someone would need to ask for permission in order to tell someone exactly where to get a file, and what they need to do in order to get everything to play nicely with eachother. This is functionally what a mod list is. This is functionally what a guide does.

 

Most mod users have enough braincells in order to figure out that if they are having an issue with a modlist or guide, they should ask for help to the modlist creator/in a server for the modlist instead of asking a mod creator.

 

6 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

They are editing the mods without the mod authors knowledge?
 

Has this been confirmed?

 

If so, it is a shitty thing to do. Not to mention can seriously fuck up the author when support request come in for that mod.

 

I don't know this system that is being done well. From what I understand..there is no reason you can't copy over what they did and publish it for free.

 

WJ lets modlist creators make patches for mods in order to make them play nicely, or forward changes.  ModA and ModB chance something in CellA, and you prefer what ModA does. This is solved by changing the load order. However, ModA and ModB make changes to CellB, but you prefer what ModB does. You want both, but a LO change can only make one work over the other.

 

Fixing this requires telling the user how to use xEdit. Considering modlists are supposed to be automated, this does not work well. A binary patch is the next best solution.

 

Last I had checked, there was no evidence that modlists created more work on the part of mod authors. I have not looked closely at this, so I cannot confirm if it is 100% true but I am inclined to belive it.

[MonVert]

30 minutes ago, Reginald_001 said:

Not even a word, not even a single line:

 

You would be surprised how often authors don't respond to PMs...but then get pissed off when you upload something related to their mod.

[DoneBye]

Just now, 27X said:

 

Level/Enviro design.

I suppose, but there's more to it than just grabbing some stuff and put together at will. It doesn't quite work like that once you're in the industry (as I'm sure you know).

[27X]

5 minutes ago, DoneBye said:

I suppose, but there's more to it than just grabbing some stuff and put together at will. It doesn't quite work like that once you're in the industry (as I'm sure you know).

 

Which is why I still mod.

[DoneBye]

7 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Getting paid for being a terminally online twitter addict if I had to take a guess.

Oh... one of those people... ?

 

Given some of her "mods", I'll take a wild guess at what her posts look like...

[phillout]

14 hours ago, dxw said:

Will Nexus monetize mods? Maybe. But they don't have legal exclusive right to distribution. Scared of this Nexus change? Stop being lazy and set up a webserver. Serve your own files for free, and tell people to skip the Nexus.

 

"Will tracked MusicTorrents monetize music they distribute? Maybe. But they don't have legal exclusive right to distribution. Scared of that, studios? Stop being lazy and set up a webserver. Serve your own files for free, and tell people to skip the MusicTorrents."

 

Sounds familiar?

 

The thing is - the moment the owner of IP wants you to stop distribution, you stop. Nexus monetizing on the mods the author doesn't want them to distribute commits the act of software piracy. It's that simple. I understand that some people may find it convenient for them  the same way many people enjoy free music movies etc from trackers, but that doesn't make it legal.

[Zor2k13]

Eli is an ozzy ozborne impersonator, just line up pics of both her? and him then see what you get. 

 

I always thought eli was going for the position of diversity hire. 

 

I am using a lot of mods from jenncave, sad to see her go. I noticed some other major authors have gone silent for a while now.

[Distortedrealms]

She posts, several dozen of her white knights kiss at her feet, that's about the gist of it.

[DoneBye]

5 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

Which is why I still mod.

I hear you... though nowadays, I don't make them public anymore (be it for CK, Unity, UE or whichever). I simply don't have the time and/or patience to deal with the mod users (with due exceptions. Not all of them are nincompoops that don't even read the most basic instructions).

 

And now, after this bait&switch from the Nexus, and the crowds that it will attract (not to mention other modpak shenanigans that started long ago)? Not a chance.

[DoneBye]

10 minutes ago, Zor2k13 said:

Eli is an ozzy ozborne impersonator, just line up pics of both her? and him then see what you get. 

 

I always thought eli was going for the position of diversity hire. 

 

I am using a lot of mods from jenncave, sad to see her go. I noticed some other major authors have gone silent for a while now.

 

6 minutes ago, Distortedrealms said:

She posts, several dozen of her white knights kiss at her feet, that's about the gist of it.

I'm going to run out of "likes" today...

[XunAmarox]

27 minutes ago, MonVert said:

 

You would be surprised how often authors don't respond to PMs...but then get pissed off when you upload something related to their mod.

No response is never a green light. You should take it as "unable to acquire permission" i.e. "no."