For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Kendo 2]

1 hour ago, CPU said:

Guys, moderate the tones.

If you wanna stay on topic, fine.

 

If you wanna just to insult people (including Nexus staff), find another site.

I'll stop.  I've lost interest.  You and everyone else knows I'm an asshole, BUT have you ever known me to lie or make things up to prove a point?  Most of the people here who know me also know that's not my style. 

 

If people want to pretend Dark0ne is mod Jesus then let them.

[DoneBye]

On 7/7/2021 at 4:06 PM, catullus said:

blablabla

Why did you come here to post this?

 

  

21 hours ago, CPU said:

 

Seriously?

Is the whole modding community made by 12 years old guys?

You... would be surprised...

[RitualClarity]

15 hours ago, VeraDra said:

This is not "without warning". This is "File is in the queue for deletion". My entire point was, functionally, "file deletions aren't easy", yet some mod authors are getting angry overthe fact that back end management isn't as easy as clicking a button. It's more cost effective to mark the file for deletion and then have the other servers replicate it over and execute on it whenever they have the chance, because forcing shit like a deletion because someone wants it done now. Also, automatic backups happen. It's stupid to just assume a server will not be in the process of creating a backup of the time you issuing the "delete these files" command, potentially while it is in the middle of coping it. Telling the servers "don;t serve this file to new connections" is much easier to do, and runs far lower of a risk of causing issues.

I haven't seen people bitching at the amout of time it takes to delete. I see them bitching about the fact that they (Nexus) won't delete the mods)

 

Did you upload the update files to the nexus? No? Then the nexus doesn't claim distribution of the update files. They do not hold a "mututal license to your work forever", they hold a distributuin license to the files you upload. This is fundamental to the idea of them making your files available. A clause like that exists in functionally every file host.

Really? What is this about "Infinite"  Also, They can copy, reproduced, Edit, Translate and even reformat the mods. Bascially they can do what the fuck they want to with your mods FOREVER or as the comment states "infinite"  Oh and the source https://help.nexusmods.com/article/18-terms-of-service

Just inc ase you aren't aware of what "Infinite" means.

Basically they can do what the fuck they want to do with your mods. This isn't the normal TOS from various sites. The common TOS would allow storage, distribution, etc. Not this level of control.  So, still think the authors don't have a reason to be upset? That Darkone doesn't deserve his hatrid and having the community lash out to him? From your post it seems as if you are blinded by Nexus brand locality. A fan boy.

 

15 hours ago, VeraDra said:

 

This has been in the TOS since November 2016 at the very least. You really should pay some attention to your email, or in the event this wasn't emailed to anyone who had posted a mod, they are not likely to care as much. An email isn't even required, as this is not a TOS change either, as again, it;'s been in effect for about 4.5 years now.

No matter how they announced it, the usual suspects would have caused a bit shitstir over it. Announced it and told people there was an opt-out and you could still delete files? Bitch it's not opt-in. Opt-in and no deletion? Bitch you couldn't delete mods. Opt-in, and deletion? Bitch it was happening.

There is no winning with people who want to be mad at someone they see as the enemy.

What is needed for a TOS change to be legal is a fair warning and time to opt out. That is the reason he is giving the time to have mods removed.  Opt in, opt out, delete the fucking mods... all is good. The problem 1. Sudden.  2. not all authors will be aware of what is going on until it is past the time to delete the mods 3. There is no opt out option which you mentioned. Only delete and get the fuck out of Nexus. (for long term mods)  Of course people will bitch. They aren't bitching about what is happening (for the most part) they are bitching about how it is being done. How it is happening. It isn't easy to move some of the mods Nexus has to proper alternate sites in such a short time. Having to loose what they built up at Nexus.. in turn helping Nexus build up as well without any reasonable re-course. These are the main complaints that I have seen.

Since 2019. they announced they wanted to do this since 2019. They did mention they were planning to talk with mod authors and software devs about this. I have no doubt they talked to some bigger ones, and they gave at least some input.

That would be the entire point of doing so. It's petty bullshit that serves no function, and that an end user may not be aware of. An example of this is the Kurin race for Rimworld. Mod author hated RimJobWorld, so would literally break their own mod just to spite users of it.

 

Seriously, talk to some of the bigger devs makes all this not a surprise to the general public? that makes it A OK? Really!  "Gave some input" from a small group of devs. Very likely Nexus oriented and "favored" users / mod authors. the mistake is they didn't talk like this to the general public. 
Seriously, you are defending this by stating an author didn't like Rim world so he literally broke their own mods just to spite users of it (Rimworld)  What gives you the right to decide what is done with the mod authors work? That is the mentality of DarkOne and Nexus.  You DON'T OWN THE MOD. The author is fee to do with their assets. that they developed as they see fit.  LL understands this. Other mod sites understand this.  You are literally advocating the fact that the author has no rights to his work once released. That the public owns the mods. Nexxus shown and the mentality that has pissed off the community. that pisses off the authors and that will in the end very possibly, piss off some serious talent to the point where they will say "fuck you" and take take there mods (what they can) and leave. Of course people that believe this will upload it to pirated sites and torrent and share freely. 

 

15 hours ago, VeraDra said:

 

 

[MonVert]

1 hour ago, RitualClarity said:

fair warning and time to opt out

 

Which they gave, if you were paying any attention whatsoever. There's, also, no such thing as "enough time to opt-out"; people would still be bitching even if it was six months.

[RitualClarity]

2 minutes ago, MonVert said:

 

Which they gave, if you were paying any attention whatsoever. There's, also, no such thing as "enough time to opt-out"; people would still be bitching even if it was six months.

 

Bullshit.  Simple as that. 

they have mods there for well more than a decade. Authors that haven't' been active for many years .  The reason they gave a month is so that they can say they did it (minimum) in an attempt to keep as many mods as possible. Now after this time, any authors that would like to have their mods removed.. like some authors that were away and not aware of the change in the TOS would have to place a official DMCA and possibly even fight to get their wishes honored.  Which, If I was in his place would expect that most if not all of those authors would give up instead of go through the effort to do so.

 

In fact all this discussion only moves me more and more to the thought that fuck Nexus and all the mods should be removed from their service if the author has any desire to keep his / her / their work under their control.  Only mods that should be there are mods that nobody gives a shit about anymore.  previously, I didn't care if I had mods on the site but the more I think of it.. the more I'd remove it just because of what he is attempting and encourage anyone I knew to do the same. to give a clear signal to all sites that this shit isn't acceptable.

 

 

[FauxFurry]

The Resident Evil 5 Nexus wasn't exactly the best stocked mod Nexus but what little they had seems to be almost completely gone now. I suppose that I'll have to make extra sure to hang onto my copy of the Chris nude mod then.

The REMake section seem to be a bit light now, as well. 

I would have expected this from the Bethesda Games Studio game mods since there is a lot of original content in the mods but this is a bit of a surprise. 

[Guest]

There shouldn't be a window on opting out. The fact that DumbassOne put a 30 day grace period speaks for itself. He knows for a fact there are a lot of modders that are either barely or no longer active and won't be until the next iteration of TES and Fallout.

[MonVert]

37 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

Authors that haven't' been active for many years

 

Authors that would likely still not be there in six months, or their account has fallen into inactivity anyhow, and likely don't give two shits about their work at that point. The ToS has been the same for years, it's just that nobody bothered to read it until it was too late for regrets. You willingly signed up for this shit when you made an account and submitted your work. Bitching about cold food now just makes you look silly.

 

Removing mods not only inconveniences others; it inconveniences yourself, too.

[Kendo 2]

34 minutes ago, endgame † addiction said:

There shouldn't be a window on opting out. The fact that DumbassOne put a 30 day grace period speaks for itself. He knows for a fact there are a lot of modders that are either barely or no longer active and won't be until the next iteration of TES and Fallout.

 

Dark0ne did nothing wrong. ?

[Nessa]

On 7/8/2021 at 1:41 AM, Pamatronic said:

The hell are you talking about? last time i checked i could downoad mods from korean sites with no problem.

Didnt even have to create an account,

 

Not sure about Korean, but not too far back a few Japanese modding sites not only added passwords but some even banned entire western countries from access. The reasoning was, supposedly, that their work kept showing up on the Nexus and they didn't upload it. Or they just hated the west. (A reasonable position I think. But then I hate Earth in general. ) Machine translations though, hard to tell! ? (Before DeepL you see.) It's tough enough trying to figure out a machine translation of normal Japanese, let alone angry Japanese! ??

 

....

 

Since this is a Nexus thread... STORY TIME! And of course I won't name names... (probably...) This is the story of... let's call her Modder X. She made many outfits. Mod Thief B, for reasons that must have been ridiculous, uploaded one of her mods to the Nexus claiming he made it! This amused Modder X to no end. Especially when Mod Thief B was easily shown to have no concept of how to use Blender. Or Nifskope. Or Photoshop. Fun times! ?? Still, Modder X decided to send a friendly note to the Nexus staff informing them that they had an imposter running amok in an amusing fashion.  Weirdly, the next time she dropped by the Nexus she found she was banned for "insulting a valued member". ? Modder X was a bit perplexed here. All she did was say he stole a mod and was hilariously bad at it. That's "insulting"? Perhaps it's really a Nexus of weird. ?

Not long after, the story got funnier when Mod Thief B stole another modder's work, this time from the Nexus itself! That naughty boy! He was banned for that one. ??? The moral of the story? Stealing is OK, unless it's from the Nexus!! ??

 

Funny thing about bans though. Nobody I guess understands IP addresses. Modder X had another account that same day for downloads. Surely Mod Thief B created yet another persona and more hilarity ensued that we don't even know about! ??

 

Given the wonderful drama we're witnessing now, and those glorious corporate-speak BS posts by the Nexus (seriously those are a riot to read, I'm self-actualizing proactively just thinking about them).....

 

Looks like the Nexus hasn't changed much! 

 

?

[RitualClarity]

36 minutes ago, Kendo 2 said:

 

Dark0ne did nothing wrong. ?

 

All hail DarkOne. Mod Jesus of the Internet..

 

(Sorry, couldn't resist... )

[Pamatronic]

1 hour ago, endgame † addiction said:

There shouldn't be a window on opting out. The fact that DumbassOne put a 30 day grace period speaks for itself. He knows for a fact there are a lot of modders that are either barely or no longer active and won't be until the next iteration of TES and Fallout.

To avoid further accusations, let me just point out that I´m not a Fan of Modlists and Nexus´s planned implementation of that Feature. With that out of the way, how about this:

 

Having a finite Window for opting out makes sense from their perspective. If people could just opt out at any point, it would break certain Modlists and thereby defeat the entire point behind the system. So you need a deadline at which you lock the remaining mods into place.

And as Others have already pointed out, if you cant be fucked to look at Nexus for a month, you probably don't care that much. Does this provide any legitimacy to Nexus claims on the mod? not really, but it wont damage the Author either, so i guess that's a calculated and acceptable risk on Nexus´s side.

 

[GrimReaper]

6 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

 

All hail DarkOne. Mod Jesus of the Internet..

 

(Sorry, couldn't resist... )

Call me a boring fencesitter but there's a lot of space between a person being jesus or satan. Saying that a person isn't satan doesn't mean you automatically claim that person is jesus or vice versa. Nexus is mostly about money now as is the case with modding in general or at least it's a trend that has gained traction and isn't going anywhere soon. Nexus wants to do the shitty shady thing in pursuit of more profit, yeah. Nexus isn't your friend which is true for any company or community. Interests may intersect here and there but if it's more profitable to throw some under the bus it will happen, people usually cheer when that happens to people they don't like but will get angry when it happens to them. It's nothing personal, just business. I don't understand why people build parasocial relationships with companies or brands and are surprised when this one-sided relationship turns sour.

 

Or, if you prefer the tl;dr in funny maymay-speak: rent free

[Nessa]

11 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

I don't understand why people build parasocial relationships with companies or brands and are surprised when this one-sided relationship turns sour.

 

You aren't supposed to understand. You are supposed to consume. Then get excited for Next Product™. Consume again. Then repeat the process! Until you die. Then hopefully your kids will continue the cycle.

 

(Geez, I'm getting downright morbid. ??)

[MonVert]

8 minutes ago, Nessa said:

 

You aren't supposed to understand. You are supposed to consume. Then get excited for Next Product™. Consume again. Then repeat the process! Until you die. Then hopefully your kids will continue the cycle.

 

(Geez, I'm getting downright morbid. ??)

 

Soylent Green is modders, apparently.

[V The Heretic]

I've said this on multiple discord servers. It is what it is at this point.

Everyone can argue whether there should have been fair warning, different way to implement the idea, etc. At this point, Nexus is continuing down the road the way they have intended when they made a soft announcement about mod lists (collections) what? Has it been 2 years now? (Even though they went completely silent on it.)

Do I think Nexus going the silent approach, then soft banning the members they are trying to keep who spoke out under the idea of "cool off" period is a good idea? Not really. (Considering I haven't heard if these bans were actually revoked, so for now, it's mere speculation.) You want to keep your mod authors, work with them. Mod users crying about how much a mod author inconveniences them, forgets that a mod author spent their free time to create such mods, then felt generous enough to share it with the mod user base. They don't realize, Mod Authors feel like they are imposed on and told what they can and can't do with their work. (Spare me the righteous TOS garble. I've read it, you've read it, at this point it's been cited so much everyone has read it.) Mod authors feel like their freedom is taken from them for their work. So, of course, some are going to react. A bit more harshly than others I might add. They will leave and not come back, uproot and rehost some where else, etc. You can call them zoomer flakes, or whatever you will. But, remember the more you insult the mod author, the less likely they are to produce and release anything to you. 

And that is what bugs me, seeing mod users cry about how they are inconvenienced. Be patient. If a mod author is planning to move their work, even if they leave their old broken toy on Nexus to update else where, the only thing you can do is be patient. If you can't, that's a you problem. If they plan on not having their mods up anymore, respect the decision. Just remember, Mod Authors create for themselves first, mod users second. 

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[ZI0MATRIX]

 

When a mod author uploads a file there should be an option to tick:

 

Anotherrainbowflagmod Ver. 2.1               [ X ]    [usable for Mod List] "Warning! After 3 days this action can not be undone. Conditions of the Contract are readable here."   (or something like that)

 

If a mod author is away, the mod simply should not be usable for their mod list until the author gives his/her/whatever consent.

The consent needs to be an active one in its nature (English is not my first language).

 

If they desperately need something to plug a hole in their mod list, they should hire someone to do that.

 

 

[VeraDra]

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This is not "without warning". This is "File is in the queue for deletion". My entire point was, functionally, "file deletions aren't easy", yet some mod authors are getting angry overthe fact that back end management isn't as easy as clicking a button. It's more cost effective to mark the file for deletion and then have the other servers replicate it over and execute on it whenever they have the chance, because forcing shit like a deletion because someone wants it done now. Also, automatic backups happen. It's stupid to just assume a server will not be in the process of creating a backup of the time you issuing the "delete these files" command, potentially while it is in the middle of coping it. Telling the servers "don;t serve this file to new connections" is much easier to do, and runs far lower of a risk of causing issues.

I haven't seen people bitching at the amout of time it takes to delete. I see them bitching about the fact that they (Nexus) won't delete the mods)

 

 

your counter is not relevant to what the original comment was about.
Archival is a step in the deletion process, and some people are bitching and acting as if archival is somehow the same as them "making a backup" of your mods before they delete them, or impling that they don't delete them (which has yet to be proven). Further, a lot are getting reactionary to recieving an email that it was archived, and sperging out about this. You can find examples of it in this thread.

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Did you upload the update files to the nexus? No? Then the nexus doesn't claim distribution of the update files. They do not hold a "mututal license to your work forever", they hold a distributuin license to the files you upload. This is fundamental to the idea of them making your files available. A clause like that exists in functionally every file host.

Really? What is this about "Infinite"  Also, They can copy, reproduced, Edit, Translate and even reformat the mods. Bascially they can do what the fuck they want to with your mods FOREVER or as the comment states "infinite"  Oh and the source https://help.nexusmods.com/article/18-terms-of-service

 

Basically they can do what the fuck they want to do with your mods. This isn't the normal TOS from various sites. The common TOS would allow storage, distribution, etc. Not this level of control.  So, still think the authors don't have a reason to be upset? That Darkone doesn't deserve his hatrid and having the community lash out to him? From your post it seems as if you are blinded by Nexus brand locality. A fan boy.

Interpretation matters. I cannot say your interpretation is inherently wrong, however I can say I disagree with it, and explain why. (Also, "mutual licence" is they get partial ownership of the file. This is not the case.)
Should NM not obtain those permissons, than the exact filename you used, along with the files included would have to be the same. this sounds fine, until you realize that people may include "illegal" characters in a filename. For instance, the pipe ('|') character is considered invalid on Windows for filenames. This can cause issues, especially if the mod maker, for whatever reason, uses any other OS (ex, some Linux distro), where the character is valid. Nexus would (logically) remove this character from the filename just to prevent potential issues, thus "modifying" the mod. To an extent, it's a nececary evil.
 

This is also the standard TOS for many major sites, such as Reddit, Facebook (3.3), Youtube ("Licence to Youtube"), Dropbox (though admittedly, they do outline specifics for what specifically they need permissions to modify it, you still give them implicitly the same permissions), Discord (Your Content), etc. You do not have to like nor use any of these services, just know that this is the standard for avoiding legal liability.

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Since 2019. they announced they wanted to do this since 2019. They did mention they were planning to talk with mod authors and software devs about this. I have no doubt they talked to some bigger ones, and they gave at least some input.

That would be the entire point of doing so. It's petty bullshit that serves no function, and that an end user may not be aware of. An example of this is the Kurin race for Rimworld. Mod author hated RimJobWorld, so would literally break their own mod just to spite users of it.

 

Seriously, talk to some of the bigger devs makes all this not a surprise to the general public? that makes it A OK? Really!  "Gave some input" from a small group of devs. Very likely Nexus oriented and "favored" users / mod authors. the mistake is they didn't talk like this to the general public. 
Seriously, you are defending this by stating an author didn't like Rim world so he literally broke their own mods just to spite users of it (Rimworld)  What gives you the right to decide what is done with the mod authors work? That is the mentality of DarkOne and Nexus.  You DON'T OWN THE MOD. The author is fee to do with their assets. that they developed as they see fit.  LL understands this. Other mod sites understand this.  You are literally advocating the fact that the author has no rights to his work once released. That the public owns the mods. Nexxus shown and the mentality that has pissed off the community. that pisses off the authors and that will in the end very possibly, piss off some serious talent to the point where they will say "fuck you" and take take there mods (what they can) and leave. Of course people that believe this will upload it to pirated sites and torrent and share freely. 

It was announced in 2019. the fact they were doing it should be no surprise to anyone, and afaik, it was announced earlier (how early, I do not know) on the mod authors private forum, at least from what I have heard.

 

Also read ehat I wrote. I did not say Ludeon Studios, developers of Rimworld, have intentionally ever exclusively broke RimJobWorld. I DID say the developer behind the Kurin Race, Dalrae, DID intentionally break their mod in the event that it detcted RimJobWorld. If need be, I can likely find the exact lines of code in the decompiled DLL where this happens. This is not unwilling to fix an incompatibility, this is deliberate mallice. I see no issue with someone making a patch or remaking the mod to remove this deliberate incompatibility.

 

If they wish to take their ball and go home, then by all means, let them do it. If they wish to make their mods harder to use, or not public at all, so be it. I fail to see why I should care someone no longer wishes to make their things accessible, and I quite honestly hope they fade into obscurity.

 

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Edit: To clarify, and respond to the "fan boy" accusation, I personally think the current implementation of collections as seen on the Nexus, is being done poorly, though time will tell if they are little more than a list of files to download, or someting more advanced, like what Wabbajack does,

[DoctaSax]

24 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

Archival is a step in the deletion process, and some people are bitching and acting as if archival is somehow the same as them "making a backup" of your mods before they delete them, or impling that they don't delete them (which has yet to be proven).

 

It was announced that archived files will remain accessible to users via the API, so that collections remain intact. I may not know much about IT but if a file remains accessible to the public indefinitely, it is not deleted in any sense, neither technically or practically. Even if there are technical reasons for preferring to keep deleted files around to help database integrity, as the announcement claims, that still doesn't mean such files need to be accessible to users.

[VeraDra]

16 minutes ago, DoctaSax said:

 

It was announced that archived files will remain accessible to users via the API

... If you do not request for them to be deleted prior to August 5th, at 10AM BST.

[DoctaSax]

3 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

... If you do not request for them to be deleted prior to August 5th, at 10AM BST.

 

The 'grace period' does not alter the fact that there will be no more file deletions by modders after it. I thought you were making a case modders shouldn't complain about the last bit.

[Darkpig]

3 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

Call me a boring fencesitter but there's a lot of space between a person being jesus or satan. Saying that a person isn't satan doesn't mean you automatically claim that person is jesus or vice versa. Nexus is mostly about money now as is the case with modding in general or at least it's a trend that has gained traction and isn't going anywhere soon. Nexus wants to do the shitty shady thing in pursuit of more profit, yeah. Nexus isn't your friend which is true for any company or community. Interests may intersect here and there but if it's more profitable to throw some under the bus it will happen, people usually cheer when that happens to people they don't like but will get angry when it happens to them. It's nothing personal, just business. I don't understand why people build parasocial relationships with companies or brands and are surprised when this one-sided relationship turns sour.

 

Or, if you prefer the tl;dr in funny maymay-speak: rent free

You may consider yourself a "boring fencesitter" but I'm having fun.?

 

I mean this could happen to any modding site even Loverslab or NSFWmods. If a little chaos ensues in the world of business enjoy it. After all you got to enjoy the small things in life.

[Reginald_001]

Relevant as fuck:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decossackization

 

The problem though, was.. that after killing all the Cossacks, nobody knew how to work the land.. and 100.000.000 people starved.

[Vader666]

16 minutes ago, Reginald_001 said:

The problem though, was.. that after killing all the Cossacks, nobody knew how to work the land..

 

Something tells me alot of the folks leaving nexus now weren't the "espacially helpfull dudes you could ask any question" anyway... ?

 

[Tlam99]

everyone is valuable to the community and if it's as bad example.