For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Reginald_001]

24 minutes ago, Vader666 said:

 

Something tells me alot of the folks leaving nexus now weren't the "espacially helpfull dudes you could ask any question" anyway... ?

 

Thuggy, JoerQC, SKK50, Worsin, the guy that made CWSS.. and the list goes on... yeah not very helpful those guys.

 

(That was sarcasm)

 

(Edit: Also, that's what they said about the Cossacks.. )

[Vader666]

1 hour ago, Reginald_001 said:

yeah not very helpful those guys

 

I was more about not willing to help.

Don't know about the folks you mentioned, but i just made too many bad experiances to take the chance talking to someone over there again.

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

Relevant as fuck:

Not really. It isn't anything like genocide. It doesn't even involve violence of any kind.

[Reginald_001]

3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Not really. It isn't anything like genocide. It doesn't even involve violence of any kind.

Of course it's not directly comparable. No one said that. I said it's RELEVANT. That's not the same as 'THE SAME'.

 

[Grey Cloud]

1 minute ago, Reginald_001 said:

I said it's RELEVANT. That's not the same as 'THE SAME

I know what you said and I now what relevant means. It is not relevant, hyperbole and hysteria seldom are. A computer gaming website making a power grab is irrelevant compared to the death and suffering of millions of people.

[Reginald_001]

5 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I know what you said and I now what relevant means. It is not relevant, hyperbole and hysteria seldom are. A computer gaming website making a power grab is irrelevant compared to the death and suffering of millions of people.

In Russia, early last century. Many people felt that that farmers had too much land and too much money. The farmers made all the food and sold it on the markets. So end of Summer, the communist party felt it was time to redistribute the wealth of the farmers (cossacks) so that ALL could benefit from their wealth. All their land was taken by the people in public lynchings. Farms were destroyed and many farmers died. They bit the hand that fed them, and it cost them dearly. Over the first winter 100.000.000 peope died from starvation and cold.

 

I've seen entitlement from mod users and Nexus that borders the psychotic. I've seen a commercial grab for money and ownership and I see people biting the hands that feed them. MANY modders are pissed off and are NOT vocal about it.

 

There is relevance and there is an overall relevance to our current society, where more and more people seem think that socialism and communism are the right way forward. 'Let's bite the hand that feeds us, and see what happens'.

 

Well, what's happening right now is that many mods are gone from Nexus and many mods will NOT be release there in the future. What's also happening is that some AWESOME modders said: "You know what? You entitled little fucks? Go suck my dick." (Their words, not mine, though I'm close to the sentiment...)

 

Alternatives are being worked on, viable and will go LIVE soon. You'll find 'us' there.

[Guest]

Let's do microtransactions! This will bring us a lot of money and nobody will complain!

 

Let's do a very small basic game and then sell a meta-ton of DLCs for a few bucks each, with an actual production cost that is risible!

 

Let's convert again this game published in 2012 to a smartwatch or to a "Game & Watch" system!

 

Let's invade the symbolic center of the power of this country dressed as stupid people!

 

 

Do you think there will not be consequences?

Time will tell what will be the result of the Nexus' move.

[Tlam99]

For my impression, there is one important property gone.

 

Respect.

 

Respect others wishes

respect others property

respect nothers views

respect another person 

etc. etc.

[MonVert]

1 hour ago, T-lam said:

For my impression, there is one important property gone.

 

Respect.

 

Respect others wishes

respect others property

respect nothers views

respect another person 

etc. etc.

 

"Respect" flew out the window ages ago.

 

Why else would the top rated posts of r/Skyrimods be "Boris Vorontsov's flaming homophobia" or "Enai Saion wants to bomb immigrants"? ?Ain't no such thing as "respect" for modding/modders these days.

[Guest]

Nexus is archiving the files before deleting, until August. 

After August, they will only archive the files. No deletion will happen. 

They can't delete files anymore, their database have grown too much. 

 

Yesterday I typed "True Armor" in the search box, to check if there was a update to that mod, and it only returned the derivatives. I thought it was deleted, but then I got to the duck and typed it there, and this time it appeared. Their search engine is still not working after all this time. This have something to do with their database. 

 

ModDB don't delete your files, they are always archived. Same for Curseforge. People never complained about it. 

They are complaining in the Nexus because the Nexus allowed for gallery modding to grown and take the entire scene with their noise. 

However, numbers shows gallery modders are a minority. The silent majority is still making mods and don't give a fuck about Nexus policies. 

[Pamatronic]

4 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

In Russia, early last century. Many people felt that that farmers had too much land and too much money. The farmers made all the food and sold it on the markets. So end of Summer, the communist party felt it was time to redistribute the wealth of the farmers (cossacks) so that ALL could benefit from their wealth. All their land was taken by the people in public lynchings. Farms were destroyed and many farmers died. They bit the hand that fed them, and it cost them dearly. Over the first winter 100.000.000 peope died from starvation and cold.

Bit of a nitpick, but that Number is grossly Inflated, I couldn't find any source which would go above 10.000.000

most would attest the total number to be somewhere in the 6-7 mil region. Also, majority of the casualities were suffered by ethnic Ukranians, not cossacs ( although they suffered the highest percentual loss of their numbers)

 

Also, attributing the Entire Famine to the communists landgrab would be an oversimplification of things. Sure, it was a big contributing Factor, But there were many others.

[Guest]

I kind of have to say, the argument of archiving is normal, deletion not so much, is disturbing.

If i left Googles photo, i want to have the images deleted. So if they also just archiving it, rather than delete, whats the point of calling it deletion. Or does their integrity go out of the window? I assume Google is larger than Nexus from a customer base.

Of your personal data. There are reasons to have them wiped. But if they are also "just" archived and invisible, that seems misleading.

Do i make wrong assumptions?

 

I used to use OneDrive but changed my mind. As far as i know the data is deleted after a grace period.

My point is, that data can be deleted. Why should that not be possible on Nexus?

Of course i have very limited knowledge about IT and thus lagging information about how stuff works behind the scene.

 

Also for TOS. I think most people never ever read the TOS. Do you read Apples TOS everytime, or MS. Probably not. Most people just say yes. There are maybe some people that actually read them but i think that is a minority.

It is probably true that Nexus TOS is standard in a sense. Can not say, since i did not read it completely.

 

In the end, a company can decide what their policy is. If they say they do not delete but rather archive, then this is ok. I think.

[悲しい少王女]

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

They can't delete files anymore, their database have grown too much.

what?

Of course they can.

[V The Heretic]

7 minutes ago, 悲しい少王女 said:

what?

Of course they can.

They can delete files all day long if they wanted to and honestly would never miss the files even existing. 

The true issue is, if they are going into the route of collections and mod lists, mods can/would be listed that would lead to those lists potentially being broken if a mod author was allowed to opt out or delete their files, even if they genuinely wanted to leave the mod community. So, if Nexus is continuing this collection path, no, they really couldn't continue as it would become ultimately pointless. 

 

[ZI0MATRIX]

5 minutes ago, Swarm Queen said:

They can delete files all day long if they wanted to and honestly would never miss the files even existing. 

The true issue is, if they are going into the route of collections and mod lists, mods can/would be listed that would lead to those lists potentially being broken if a mod author was allowed to opt out or delete their files, even if they genuinely wanted to leave the mod community. So, if Nexus is continuing this collection path, no, they really couldn't continue as it would become ultimately pointless. 

 

If they only would give the author an option per file.

 Do you want to make: Randommod Ver. 2.1    usable for Mod list(conditions can be read here). Warning, after 3 days this action cannot be undone!  [Yes/No]

 

For old mod authors, they should have to wait for an answer like all the other mod authors too. Or if they return and are not happy in which way it is used("pls no politics or sex related stuff"--> no use in Mod list that revolve around that), remove it.

[BDRagnorok]

Gang, I am a mod USER, not an author, but wading through all this and the nexus notice....

What impact does this have on people like me? aka "average user"?

I add mods to old games, because they are more stable and have a lot of mods available.  examples: oldrim, witcher 3, fallout NV and FO4.

should I start downloading and storing every single mod I think I might use or try out some day? will these mods suddenly disappear?  WTF is going on from a USER viewpoint?

thanks for helping.

[V The Heretic]

1 minute ago, ZI0MATRIX said:

If they only would give the author an option per file.

 Do you want to make: Randommod Ver. 2.1    usable for Mod list(conditions can be read here). Warning, after 3 days this action cannot be undone!  [Yes/No]

 

For old mod authors, they should have to wait for an answer like all the other mod authors too. Or if they return and are not happy in which way it is used("pls no politics or sex related stuff"--> no use in Mod list that revolve around that), remove it.

There are definitely different alternatives.

However, I get what they are trying to do, but definitely do agree it was poorly implemented. They want to make it easier on Mod Users to download their favorite mods at the click of a button. Fire and forget. 

The factor (I don't even know if Nexus actually even had a after thought about this till Mod Authors and Users against collections have said it) the troubleshooting problems that will ensue. From my understanding, all this is, is what I said. Fire and forget mod list that you can download at the click of a button regardless if the mod is public or hidden, updated or broken. 

1. This creates a troubleshooting nightmare that if new users encountered, will be put into a sink or swim on learning how to fix it. Will Nexus staff troubleshoot these problems? No. Are curators expected to fix it since it's their list? Yeah? Will they? Time will only tell. However, ultimately it will come down to the mod author fixing it. I have a feeling some mod lists won't have the required information to ease this troubleshooting problem that will occur in the process. 

2. Mod exposure. Your bigger named mods will get more exposure to some extent, but your smaller mods that slip through the cracks end up disappearing into the pit of file pages never to return. So in a way, I feel like if you don't make a mod list, it would end up detouring some mod authors from making content and etc. (Most likely not, but it's still a possibility.) 

3. The whole position on opting out is still like I said above. HOWEVER, to further this. You can essentially still do the collection for the mods that are OPTED IN. However, if those mods require a mod that can't be added to the mod list, a link or reference on the source where you find the mod list could be placed taking you to the original mod page to download it for yourself essentially circumventing this whole issue. Especially with a warning message, "THIS MOD LIST REQUIRES MOD(S) THAT YOU NEED TO DOWNLOAD MANUALLY, PLEASE VISIT 'X" MOD PAGE AND DOWNLOAD SAID MOD." <Insert link click here.> 

If the mod author at any point after "3." decides to delete their mods from Nexus for whatever reason, invalidate the list and archive it from further use. They are quick to archive other peoples work, quick to ban people for being out spoken against it and what not. Yet, this idea they aren't quick to decide on because they only want to go one direction all in the notion of making modding easier for users. (Which by the way, it doesn't and mod lists never will make it easier.)

[V The Heretic]

2 minutes ago, BDRagnorok said:

Gang, I am a mod USER, not an author, but wading through all this and the nexus notice....

What impact does this have on people like me? aka "average user"?

I add mods to old games, because they are more stable and have a lot of mods available.  examples: oldrim, witcher 3, fallout NV and FO4.

should I start downloading and storing every single mod I think I might use or try out some day? will these mods suddenly disappear?  WTF is going on from a USER viewpoint?

thanks for helping.

The impact for you is, you will end up getting mod collections that possibly be a one click, download all option. 

However, you may end up with old outdated and broken mods in the process, or having to scour the lands of other sites or discord in search of mods from Authors whom have defected from Nexus as a whole for whatever reason be it. So, long story short, finding mods may or may not get harder for you, troubleshooting broken mods may prove difficult as mods update and leave their predecessors on Nexus in the past. 

Edit: Not everyone is leaving Nexus either. I am just speaking for the ones that do and what that can entail in the long run.

[BDRagnorok]

@Swarm Queen  - thank you.

It feels like I should at least download every mod I currently use -- I have had too much "fun" trying to find updated versions and correct my install mistakes under the current system.

"one size fits all" never does.  mod packs are just another "osfa" mess in my opinion.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, BDRagnorok said:

Gang, I am a mod USER, not an author, but wading through all this and the nexus notice....

What impact does this have on people like me? aka "average user"?

I add mods to old games, because they are more stable and have a lot of mods available.  examples: oldrim, witcher 3, fallout NV and FO4.

should I start downloading and storing every single mod I think I might use or try out some day? will these mods suddenly disappear?  WTF is going on from a USER viewpoint?

thanks for helping.

Probably nothing.

The issue is merely philosophical and only for mod authors.

 

Your impact can be that some mods will not be available for you anymore.

 

(*Philosophical -> I do not wanna enter in details about "commercial", "legal", "Intellectual Property", "But you didn't said so!", "You stole my content", "The final match was completely unfair", "why it is always raining?", "we lived better when we lived worst", "but her emails!!!!", etc.)

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Swarm Queen said:

The impact for you is, you will end up getting mod collections that possibly be a one click, download all option. 

However, you may end up with old outdated and broken mods in the process, or having to scour the lands of other sites or discord in search of mods from Authors whom have defected from Nexus as a whole for whatever reason be it. So, long story short, finding mods may or may not get harder for you, troubleshooting broken mods may prove difficult as mods update and leave their predecessors on Nexus in the past. 

Edit: Not everyone is leaving Nexus either. I am just speaking for the ones that do and what that can entail in the long run.

 

Why single mods should go away?

Was ever this written somewhere?

 

The new "packs" (bad or good or whatever) are not going to be the only way you can mod.

It is a new possibility. Do I like it?

No. How many times we stopped doing the same for adult mods on LoversLab?

The concept is close to be unrealistic.

[V The Heretic]

2 minutes ago, CPU said:

 

Why single mods should go away?

Was ever this written somewhere?

 

The new "packs" (bad or good or whatever) are not going to be the only way you can mod.

It is a new possibility. Do I like it?

No. How many times we stopped doing the same for adult mods on LoversLab?

The concept is close to be unrealistic.

I was just merely speaking from the sense of what a future potentially holds if using said tools provided.

However, should have elaborated more on the single mod download front as well. Thanks!

[BDRagnorok]

@cpu - thanks.  of course as a user I admit to being quite stupid sometimes. thus making my modding life much harder than it could be.  My hope is the changes coming will not multiply my "stupidity factor" or cause me to rage-quit modding (insert large rage-quit value here) again!

So I think I will grab a beverage, and relax about this .

 

edit:

Thanks for taking your time to answer my post... very appreciated.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, CPU said:

 

Why single mods should go away?

Was ever this written somewhere?

 

The new "packs" (bad or good or whatever) are not going to be the only way you can mod.

It is a new possibility. Do I like it?

No. How many times we stopped doing the same for adult mods on LoversLab?

The concept is close to be unrealistic.

I did not concern myself with the concept of collection. Probably because i am not a real modder myself. But also because i haven't really looked into that.

In some respect i am not advancing i think in the general sense. Maybe i am just old.

What i do like about Nexus though, is the fact that when you download a mod, the website will tell you what mod you need and is giving you a link. That is actually very helpful.

On LL sometimes mods have a link included so you do not have to search for it.

 

Anyway, i think that most mods probably stay where they are.

 

I do not need packs but rather a link to the mod that i need in order to make it work. I am ok with that.

[Kendo 2]

Since the opinion that modders don't have rights to their mods (because Dork0ne knows best) is the only truth we need, why not go all the way?  Modders who make their content site-exclusive should be ignored.  Nexus exclusive?  Not anymore.  Sexlab and DD should be able to be taken and uploaded anywhere.  Modders are just a bunch of whiney bitches anyway so it's okay to deny them their creative rights.