Veladarius Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 40 minutes ago, bicobus said: I believe you are overthinking this, and slightly misinterpreting the aim of the change. The source of your information is also unreliable, as it comes from a participant's report. We do not know what was told, just what one individual reported to you, or rather what you understood of it. Basically, you are the man who saw the man who saw a bear. Maybe the bear isn't even real. Firstly, there is absolutely no reason to remove a legacy framework from the website. That would not only be stupid, but ridiculous. I fully expect ZAP v7 to remain available on the website. Second point is about the ZAP assets who will get integrated into DD. That's fine too, DD wants to create a framework replacing the aging and unmaintained ZAP (we do need that). Having the ZAP assets available directly from DD doesn't mean that the ZAP framework itself will get removed. Please do not jump to conclusions too hastily. That being said, I would be the first to call bullshit if ZAPv7 does effectively get removed or becomes unavailable. Who better to get the information from than someone directly involved? I probably would have been invited except for my bad relationship with Kimy as the person who told me all the information was part of my development team and has been subtly pushing me to update to v4 for some time now. The other participants being Kimy and either Xaz or Zaz (don't remember which but gave their approval for all this) and another modder whom I won't name. The person who told me this told me SPECIFICALLY what they intended to do and that he was all for ZAP going away. They also said that ZAP v7 itself will go away as well. I did not jump to conclusions, these were things told to me directly by a person involved. After I was told they pushed harder for me to update to v4 but I said no and that I would stop development. Kimy and others associated with her don't want the ZAP framework around because it interferes with DD (which is even more true with the removal of ZAP keywords from DD devices). If there is enough demand for it ZAP v7 may not get removed and I hope it doesn't but I am not holding my breath on it. 1
ZaZ Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 @Veladarius, @bicobus There seems to be a slight miscommunication somewhere along the way. ZAP 7.0 will stay as is untouched There are many mods still using the framework and it is functional Most of the Assets from ZAP 7.0 will be integrated into DD Framework. These assets will have their own naming conventions and texture paths. The wearable stuff will be integrated into DDi The furniture will be a separate new module I heard called DDc ( I heard the team isworking on its own furniture framework) The main idea was to give mod authors a chance to use the assets from ZAP 7.0 with DD's Framework. and theintention is to slowly phase out the use of ZAP's Framework (Since the code while functional is outdated ) However ZAP 7.0 will remain for the legacy mods that still use its code and for mod authors who dont wish to use DD's Framework. Cheers 8
Veladarius Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, jigwigigx said: Velar my friend, I want to thank you for all the enjoyment I had out of this mod, it was one of the first I downloaded when I discovered LL way back when. All good thiings must end sometime but it doesn't stop me playing your mod as I have decided to reinstall Skyrim on my laptop and then install all the mods from before DD4 so that I can revisit old favourites that aren't compatible. I have always kept backup copies of all DD related mods, it's just a matter of remembering which versions . ? If you need the last versions of v3 let me know and I can tell you what the last versions were get them for you if need be.
Veladarius Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 1 minute ago, ZaZ said: @Veladarius, @bicobus There seems to be a slight miscommunication somewhere along the way. ZAP 7.0 will stay as is untouched There are many mods still using the framework and it is functional Most of the Assets from ZAP 7.0 will be integrated into DD Framework. These assets will have their own naming conventions and texture paths. The wearable stuff will be integrated into DDi The furniture will be a separate new module I heard called DDc ( I heard the team isworking on its own furniture framework) The main idea was to give mod authors a chance to use the assets from ZAP 7.0 with DD's Framework. and theintention is to slowly phase out the use of ZAP's Framework (Since the code while functional is outdated ) However ZAP 7.0 will remain for the legacy mods that still use its code and for mod authors who dont wish to use DD's Framework. Cheers Glad my source was wrong on this as I would hate to see it go away. I was told that the furniture and all of the animations would be taken into DD and ZAP would be killed off. This does not change my decision to end things though, I am tired of all this. 3
Guest Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Damn... Just read through the stuff above that you are stopping development :( Sad to read, but I understand. You did phenomenal work, absolutely love your mod! To bad it has to end this way, but that's the way of things I guess... Good luck and happiness to you for the future!
Psalam Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 I am also saddened to hear this. It will be a loss to the community as a whole. On the up side maybe it will allow you more time to work on your health issues. In any case, best wishes. May you live long and prosper! 1
ZaZ Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Veladarius said: Glad my source was wrong on this as I would hate to see it go away. I was told that the furniture and all of the animations would be taken into DD and ZAP would be killed off. This does not change my decision to end things though, I am tired of all this. Well, you your not wrong in a sense. By integrating ZAP's 7.0 Assets into DD . This would offer mod authors to use the ZAP's Stuff with DD's Framework. Giving Mod Authors better options for code and possibly slowly phasing out use of ZAP 7.0 as a framework. But those mod authors who want to use ZAP 7.0 can do so since its functional. Cheers 1
steelmagpie Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 It is truely a shame to see this mod stopped by the current kerfuffle around the framework mods. I have used this mod from very early days and it was a major driver for me playing with mods and expanding my skyrim. I cannot put into words how sad I feel that this mod of all mods is now being blocked by changes to frameworks which were implimented to ensure mods could have longevity and compatability. I appreciate the community must look to the future and the chance of wonderful new additions but surely not at the cost of losing one or more of the best mods every created for skyrim. Frameworks should be expanded upon to allow new features (if possible) rather than removed due to what in my opinion seems to be a fruitless battle of wills between DD and ZAP8. Nobody will win if they continue as they are and all will lose if it splits into a use one or the other but not both senario. I feel at the moment as if the Modders (who we love for all their content and efforts) are so distracted by this they are missing what we the lowly players of the mods are wanting/needing.. Yes a great new shiny mod with all the whistles and bells would be nice but not at the expence of the mods we love and have used for so long they feel like part of the game now. Sorry. wall of text moment for me there but I cannot believe even now the LL community has come to this point where one of the greatest mods on the site is being lost over this. I will keep a legacy set of mods just so I can reload and keep this mod alive for myself and hope this all gets resolved. To Vel I will say a heartfelt thankyou for the mod and all the efforts you put in to make it so great. I hope this gets resolved and this is not the end..
Veladarius Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, ZaZ said: Well, you your not wrong in a sense. By integrating ZAP's 7.0 Assets into DD . This would offer mod authors to use the ZAP's Stuff with DD's Framework. Giving Mod Authors better options for code and possibly slowly phasing out use of ZAP 7.0 as a framework. But those mod authors who want to use ZAP 7.0 can do so since its functional. Cheers My main reason for not wanting to see it killed off is that there are a lot of mods no longer being updated that would be dead and there are a lot of mod authors using ZAP that don't want anything to do with DD. 90% of the adult mods I use require ZAP, some are still being developed and some are not but work perfectly well. Yes the ZAP framework could use updating so it would work better and clash with DD less but I don't use the framework myself just the assets.
Veladarius Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, steelmagpie said: It is truely a shame to see this mod stopped by the current kerfuffle around the framework mods. I have used this mod from very early days and it was a major driver for me playing with mods and expanding my skyrim. I cannot put into words how sad I feel that this mod of all mods is now being blocked by changes to frameworks which were implimented to ensure mods could have longevity and compatability. I appreciate the community must look to the future and the chance of wonderful new additions but surely not at the cost of losing one or more of the best mods every created for skyrim. Frameworks should be expanded upon to allow new features (if possible) rather than removed due to what in my opinion seems to be a fruitless battle of wills between DD and ZAP8. Nobody will win if they continue as they are and all will lose if it splits into a use one or the other but not both senario. I feel at the moment as if the Modders (who we love for all their content and efforts) are so distracted by this they are missing what we the lowly players of the mods are wanting/needing.. Yes a great new shiny mod with all the whistles and bells would be nice but not at the expence of the mods we love and have used for so long they feel like part of the game now. Sorry. wall of text moment for me there but I cannot believe even now the LL community has come to this point where one of the greatest mods on the site is being lost over this. I will keep a legacy set of mods just so I can reload and keep this mod alive for myself and hope this all gets resolved. To Vel I will say a heartfelt thankyou for the mod and all the efforts you put in to make it so great. I hope this gets resolved and this is not the end.. I am sorry to end it but other than a handful of days I have not touched it at all this year, for a long time I did not even use it when playing Skyrim. I have been working on this mod for 5 years and had help from a lot of modders most of whom have left. There was a lot I wanted to do but my mental condition drains all of my desire to work on CD (or other things) and I have days that just typing is a challenge and my doctor does not think it will go away and meds can't control it. Then things like this set me off and it severely stresses me out a long time. At the rate things were going I was likely not going to finish the next release anyway so it is best to just call it instead of making everyone wait for a release that will likely never come out. 9
steelmagpie Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Veladarius said: I am sorry to end it but other than a handful of days I have not touched it at all this year, for a long time I did not even use it when playing Skyrim. I have been working on this mod for 5 years and had help from a lot of modders most of whom have left. There was a lot I wanted to do but my mental condition drains all of my desire to work on CD (or other things) and I have days that just typing is a challenge and my doctor does not think it will go away and meds can't control it. Then things like this set me off and it severely stresses me out a long time. At the rate things were going I was likely not going to finish the next release anyway so it is best to just call it instead of making everyone wait for a release that will likely never come out. Your health and well being comes before all else. BP is a really misunderstood and often dismissed condition. However you have a lot of friends and well wishers here who want only the best for you. If that means less stress then that is the way it goes. Take care of yourself and accept my best wishes for your future and I am sure everyone elses too as you have given us so much over the years. Find a way to enjoy life and hold on to it with all your heart.. Take care.. 1
ZaZ Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 29 minutes ago, Veladarius said: My main reason for not wanting to see it killed off is that there are a lot of mods no longer being updated that would be dead and there are a lot of mod authors using ZAP that don't want anything to do with DD. 90% of the adult mods I use require ZAP, some are still being developed and some are not but work perfectly well. Yes the ZAP framework could use updating so it would work better and clash with DD less but I don't use the framework myself just the assets. Don't worry about it too much, just take care of your health. I wasn't even present when things happened as they did ....... I still don't know half the story. But it should be resolved now. ZAP assets were pretty much free to use right from the start...... and I'm pretty lax with permissions. With the current integration plan it should be fine. Cheers 2
CovertDemon Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Sad to hear that development has ended. Still, take care of yourself.
Alva Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 I too am sadden by this as Captured Dreams always have been one of my favorite mods and showed good quality and imagination and I was eagerly (but patiently) awaiting where it would go down the line. However, working with codestuff in real life, I do understand the issues from all sides, and such is often a result, also in a modding community, as code grows old(er) into legacy and as the mods age. So, thank you @Veladarius for the mod and your effort over the years. It brought a lot to the kinkier side of Skyrim and I hope you do know that we are grateful for it all, and best of luck with the real life issues as well. Hopefully the desire might spring up again, in this mod and/or game, or something else, and we'll see your work again. 2
Nazzzgul666 Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 I wish you all the best Vel! Other parts of the post before editing it are irrelevant now. 1
Reesewow Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Nazzzgul666 said: Please tell me ZAP will stay avaivable on it's own. Current DD now is really way too much overhead to install it if you don't really need it, not even talking about incompatible with older mods requiring ZAP. You might have missez ZaZ's post further up that page: Quote There seems to be a slight miscommunication somewhere along the way. ZAP 7.0 will stay as is untouched There are many mods still using the framework and it is functional Most of the Assets from ZAP 7.0 will be integrated into DD Framework. These assets will have their own naming conventions and texture paths. The wearable stuff will be integrated into DDi The furniture will be a separate new module I heard called DDc ( I heard the team isworking on its own furniture framework) The main idea was to give mod authors a chance to use the assets from ZAP 7.0 with DD's Framework. and theintention is to slowly phase out the use of ZAP's Framework (Since the code while functional is outdated ) However ZAP 7.0 will remain for the legacy mods that still use its code and for mod authors who dont wish to use DD's Framework. Cheers It doesn't sound like ZAP 7.0's legacy version is going anywhere. It sounds like DD will make copies of the stuff available in ZAP 7 for use within the DD framework, but with different names and texture paths (so ZAP 7 and DD X installs don't conflict). Older legacy mods will still require ZAP 7 be installed (since they are looking for ZAP as a master file), but newer mods or mods that are still being updated will have the option of just using DD and still get access to the ZAP assets, with added DD functionality (locking/keys ect I imagine). Hope things improve on your end Vel, even if the catalyst for your decision was a bit off base the stress of managing people's expectations for your mod isn't worth your state of mind. 3
Nazzzgul666 Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, Reesewow said: You might have missez ZaZ's post further up that page: You're right i did, thanks for clarifying.
Kimy Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 6 hours ago, ZaZ said: @Veladarius, @bicobus There seems to be a slight miscommunication somewhere along the way. ZAP 7.0 will stay as is untouched There are many mods still using the framework and it is functional Most of the Assets from ZAP 7.0 will be integrated into DD Framework. These assets will have their own naming conventions and texture paths. The wearable stuff will be integrated into DDi The furniture will be a separate new module I heard called DDc ( I heard the team isworking on its own furniture framework) The main idea was to give mod authors a chance to use the assets from ZAP 7.0 with DD's Framework. and theintention is to slowly phase out the use of ZAP's Framework (Since the code while functional is outdated ) However ZAP 7.0 will remain for the legacy mods that still use its code and for mod authors who dont wish to use DD's Framework. Cheers Thanks for clearing up the trainloads of fake news that were getting spread in this thread. I have no idea why people, even those bearing a green tag, feel the need to speak up and spreading unverified information and pure speculation about things they never were involved with in any shape or fashion, and thus cannot possibly have any clue about. Throwing temper tantrums over things they don't even understand, is what kindergartners normally do, and those shouldn't be on LL. Also, people need to stop pestering Min about DDI. If people don't even know that Min passed on DD to me more than two years ago, they need to shut up and get informed before getting involved and just creating more confusion. Generally, I am getting tired of people blaming me or DD for them quitting work on their mod. If people are getting burnt-out and rather want to do something else, that's fine. But blaming others and making up fake facts as a cheap excuse for that, is lame. CDS didn't see any significant updates in absolute ages, so blaming the VERY recently decided migration of ZAP 7 assets into DD for that is nothing short of laughable. Not that it would be a valid reason anyway, because had this guy asked any of the people actually involved with the decision-making instead of spreading lies, we could have told them that ZAP 7 will absolutely NOT get taken down. 2
bicobus Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, Kimy said: Thanks for clearing up the trainloads of fake news that were getting spread in this thread. I have no idea why people, even those bearing a green tag, feel the need to speak up and spreading unverified information and pure speculation about things they never were involved with in any shape or fashion, and thus cannot possibly have any clue about. Throwing temper tantrums over things they don't even understand, is what kindergartners normally do, and those shouldn't be on LL. Also, people need to stop pestering Min about DDI. If people don't even know that Min passed on DD to me more than two years ago, they need to shut up and get informed before getting involved and just creating more confusion. Generally, I am getting tired of people blaming me or DD for them quitting work on their mod. If people are getting burnt-out and rather want to do something else, that's fine. But blaming others and making up fake facts as a cheap excuse for that, is lame. CDS didn't see any significant updates in absolute ages, so blaming the VERY recently decided migration of ZAP 7 assets into DD for that is nothing short of laughable. Not that it would be a valid reason anyway, because had this guy asked any of the people actually involved with the decision-making instead of spreading lies, we could have told them that ZAP 7 will absolutely NOT get taken down. Wow, way to go and kick a horse when its down. Great job laying yet another layer of bile over a closed situation. If you didn't follow, Veladarius got misleading information and acted upon it. As if the individual talking to him knew what would be his reaction. People can dislike whatever the DD team does, doesn't make that "fake": they do have that liberty. Truth doesn't matter in the age of apathy, that is why content creators usually say "we hear your concerns" and never do anything about it. Also the contributor tag doesn't expire because the recipient cannot contribute due to illness, what kind of individual would argue the reverse? Get over yourself. You do a great job with DD, let other people deal with their misery. By the way, you might tone down the references to that carrot dictator wanna be. It is of poor taste. And before you say that I'm irrelevant, please read this statement. 9
Darkpig Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Kimy said: fake news Careful with this one. Edit: Actually Bicobus said it better 1
DoctaSax Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Everybody chill. Doomsday is not coming, so holster the pointy fingers. Take care of yourself, Vel. Even if that means giving up on a mod you can't stand to work on anymore, which is perfectly understandable. Been there. 2
Kalthen Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Thank you Vel. It seems a reasonable decision. CDS is finished and it is a great Mod. Playable and enjoyable and will be in future, so it seems at least. Everyone should admire you for some great devious story telling. Thanks to you, Jarl Siddgeir or Elenwen will ever be very devious and kinky in my eyess:) 1
Guest Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 10 hours ago, ZaZ said: @Veladarius, @bicobus .... The wearable stuff will be integrated into DDi The furniture will be a separate new module I heard called DDc ( I heard the team isworking on its own furniture framework) ... Cheers Devious toilets....finally.......
Reesewow Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bobbert6996 said: Devious toilets....finally....... Damn I got that reference, I've been around here too long. 2
TheOzoneHole Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Thanks for all your hard work Veladarius. Please take care of yourself and lurk around with a snide comment or two.
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