For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[DoctaSax]

You're a diva if you care about endorsements and download counts, but you're also a diva if you don't stick with Nexus to make sure enough people can download and enjoy your stuff.

 

 

[Vyxenne]

On 7/3/2021 at 10:36 PM, Zor2k13 said:

We know now that redfall was not the next elder scrolls game but instead a steaming pile of marxist propaganda with all the woke check boxes marked off and an evil get whitey vampire thing to shoot at.

Excellent review, thanks. ?

[Gukahn]

3 minutes ago, DoctaSax said:

You're a diva if you care about endorsements and download counts, but you're also a diva if you don't stick with Nexus to make sure enough people can download and enjoy your stuff.

 

 

Everybody is a Diva who does not agrees with Nexus at this point And entitled..

 

13 minutes ago, T-lam said:

we got a hell lot of nobodies then

 

 

[Tlam99]

actually this face I had before my eyes reading this nobody nonsense 

 

Gives me the feeling, Monvert looking into my face and sees this ....

 

 

 

[27X]

4 hours ago, Jexsam said:

This whole situation is depressing on multiple levels.

 

First and foremost, I want to be abundantly clear I'm on the side of the mod authors who don't want to relinquish control of their content.  The author should, always and without exception, be allowed to remove their stuff from any means of distribution they upload to.  Nexus cannot and should not be able to deny you the ability to remove your content at any time.  Full stop.

 

It's just really disappointing to see in full just how far TES modding has moved away from the community mindset it was built on.  It just seems weird to me to spend all that time making something for free for other people to enjoy and then decide to just take it all away.  The concepts of paywalling anything or expecting reverence and worship because you graced the unwashed masses with your art got you ridiculed by the majority back in the day.  Now ego is the norm, and it's just really depressing to see it in full swing like this.

 

Again, just because I think they shouldn't delete things doesn't mean I don't want them to have to option or control to do it.  A Cathedral Modding concept works because of people choosing to contribute freely - and freely choosing to withdraw as they see fit must be a part of that freedom.

 

You mean money matters more than morality?

 

Are you really all that surprised? You saw this shit occur in the screenshot section replete with photoshop and faceapp, much less mods.

 

This is the true face of the community and it always has been. The Illusion community is as old as Oblivion and aside from some chinese assholes trying to strongarm ported content walls, packing and packs are 100% voluntary, and that's because the people doing the packing are legit chad-tier bros that respect authors to the utmost. DoW is still going strong with both AiOs and uniques and everybody gets to pick and choose, users and MAs alike.  For every modder trying to fuck over source games with packs and passworded pastebins there are ten modders doing content twice as good for free.

 

Bethesda's envoys are not. Simple as. There is no "when the Nexus" anything. This was always the Nexus. There is a stark difference between a content curator/creator and an http://www.mediafire.com/file/9rmbf33iablk0tq/Andreis_baebae.7z/file upvote whore profiteer and you know it when you see it.

[MonVert]

48 minutes ago, T-lam said:

I share it, use it or leave it. Makes no difference to me. I make those for myself and share them,

 

If people actually had that mentality, you wouldn't see everyone bitching about "Muh premier authorship!" and waffling off the Nexus like it was 1970.

 

48 minutes ago, T-lam said:

But I hate if someone decides what is good for me, it's enslavement, taken your free decision.

With dubios explanations to hide the poor morality. It's like a sect spreading their ultimate wisdom

and their apostels are catched in a cage, following the "truth"  Poor guys......

Go ahead, maybe you convince someone, but in the end it comes up to your mind what you did

following the "enlighted" path, or maybe not, maybe better for the peace of mind, if one realizes what morality is and means.

 

I'm sorry, I mod games for fun and not weird pseudo-moral bullpocky. Nexus can do whatever they want, but my mod is still my mod at the end of the day. I can disagree with their actions without inconveniencing thousands of people, by removing my mods, because "Muh morality and politicized feelings".

 

40 minutes ago, DoctaSax said:

You're a diva if you care about endorsements and download counts, but you're also a diva if you don't stick with Nexus to make sure enough people can download and enjoy your stuff.

 

The diva life is hard, mang.

[Tlam99]

13 minutes ago, MonVert said:

weird pseudo-moral bullpocky. Nexus can do whatever they want

It is OK, makes no sense to me start a discussion here, as it not predictable to find a common ground.

Go ahead and pray your belief and I will go ahead to open eyes.

Yours, Mr. Nobody

Spoiler

Ty Gukahn for this picture, it fit so well

 

[jap2015]

I petty much agree with majority here concerning who should have controlling rights to a mod, I think it's a no brainer, despite any of the excuses made.

What I don't understand is how in the hell did @27x know the exact number to use when naming this tread!

[Battle64]

I was reading about this from an article and amusingly enough the comment sections seems to share a common point.  And that is prevent certain modders from having, as the put it, "childish meltdowns that lead to them deleting all the work because someone didn't like there mod".  

 

And I guess I kind of agree on that point?  Always sucks when a mod you are using is randomly gone because the mod creator threw a tantrum...

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Battle64 said:

I was reading about this from an article and amusingly enough the comment sections seems to share a common point.  And that is prevent certain modders from having, as the put it, "childish meltdowns that lead to them deleting all the work because someone didn't like there mod".  

 

And I guess I kind of agree on that point?  Always sucks when a mod you are using is randomly gone because the mod creator threw a tantrum...

And here you are crying about the removal of mods? Who needs who here, because let me assure you, and everyone here, you aren't deserved anything, you are given.

[stingray1995]

I knew it went to the dogs as soon as this started showing up everywhere:

 

[MonVert]

9 minutes ago, stingray1995 said:

I knew it went to the dogs as soon as this started showing up everywhere:

 

 

That's always been everywhere if you didn't use an Adblock or got Nexus ad-free from uploading mods.

[Hiemfire]

3 minutes ago, MonVert said:

 

That's always been everywhere if you didn't use an Adblock or got Nexus ad-free from uploading mods.

Was one time kick out of about two bucks a few years back to turn those off.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Nameless God said:

And here you are crying about the removal of mods? Who needs who here, because let me assure you, and everyone here, you aren't deserved anything, you are given.

 

He's not wrong about certain modders being childish about it. Thankfully they are far few in between. But regardless out of malice or the most trivial reasons, they should always have the right to revoke their work when ever they want. I just wish these few type of people would stop doing it or just mod for themselves.

[Catgirltrainer]

A question for the people that are against the rule changes on Nexus, what do you guys think about Wabbajack? Have you played with collections? 

 

Are you against the system of collections or is it just about the no delete rule? 

 

My experience with these lists in the last couple of Months was that they are taking off a lot of support requests from modders, because usually the list curator gets asked about bugs and how to solve them. It gives a lot of exposure and downloads to any mod that gets added and the list curators are doing their best to accredit all mods. I have seen list curators spending days replacing or rebuilding mods that have stolen content from other mods just to accredit the original author etc. 

 

When you are using these lists for a while you actually have the situation that Nexus mods are trying to circumvent. It is really shitty if you are installing a game and it works one day, you recommend it to your friends and before they can download it on the next day it gets broken because some mod author hates the platform you are using (e.g. Skyrim VR instead of SE or Fallout mods that work in Skyrim). This happened a few times already. 

 

If your mod deletion is the reason hundreds of game installs break and 750 other mods don't work I prefer to never know about that mod, even though it probably is awesome standalone. That's exactly what is being done right now. 

[Tlam99]

18 minutes ago, Catgirltrainer said:

installs break and 750 other mods

That'ts a reason, an opt in/out button would be good, or ? 

 

[Wolfshrike]

24 minutes ago, Catgirltrainer said:

Are you against the system of collections or is it just about the no delete rule? 

 

 100% just the no delete rule. I'm not a huge fan of the idea of collections being a thing that can make money using a mod author's free work, but that's variable enough in execution that it's not really a major thing. 

 

But no delete, regardless of the intent, is intolerable. Unless money changed hands, a mod author's work is still theirs- and that means, at the end of the day, if they feel like throwing all their toys out and DFEing, that's entirely their right. Yes, regardless of all other considerations- their work is still theirs, and even if it breaks a mod list, that's the way it goes- something given freely can be taken away just as freely. 

 

Honestly, Nexus' made two mistakes. There should have been an opt in/out for mod authors, because some of them really do hate the idea of collections, and they shouldn't have tried to seize rights to any and all mods on their website like that. That there are no significant other alternatives to them now does not mean there never will be, and tempting fate is rarely a sound decision. 

[DoctaSax]

6 minutes ago, Catgirltrainer said:

If your mod deletion is the reason hundreds of game installs break and 750 other mods don't work I prefer to never know about that mod, even though it probably is awesome standalone.

 

A bit hyperbolic. Collections that are already installed are already installed. The file no longer being hosted doesn't hurt those people one bit. Collections not yet installed are not yet installed. All a collection system needs is a warning pop-up: "you're about to download a collection with missing files". Then they can wait for a fix, or find some other collection, nobody got hurt.

 

By far most deletions are for good reasons (updates etc), not some diva nonsense, and all reasons are legitimate: your stuff, your choice. Deleting your stuff is, for instance, the only way to sever ties with a hosting site: you don't like what they're doing, don't want to be associated with them, you take your mods elsewhere. In a few weeks though modders will no longer be able to vote with their feet over any policy Nexus introduces after that. That's a pretty big power imbalance, imo.

[ZI0MATRIX]

1 hour ago, Catgirltrainer said:

Are you against the system of collections or is it just about the no delete rule? 

Mod List/Collection/Pack are fine with me. Easy to use for beginners when done well.

 

Issue for me is: No delete Rule. And lack of mod authors saying in the matter.

Mod available for mod packs yes/no? (if yes then that particular mod version can't be deleted, but give them the choice)

Delete because mod author is no longer comfortable with what he put on the internet.

Or if the mod author doesn't want to associate with other things.

Example without potential naming and shaming: I was looking for a FO4 physics body and found a mod in which the author mentioned on every mod uploaded, that if you supported a BLM parody you shall not endorse his stuff.

Quote: "... . I DO NOT WANT YOUR ENGAGEMENT" 

Imagine these mods appear in mod list of people who have a different opinion on that matter.

[KoolHndLuke]

Okay obviously I haven't read anything about WJ or how the collections actually work, but wouldn't a dummy plug-in work for any missing files? I continue playing old saves that way by just making a blank plug-in for missing mods (or ones I left in for too long and decide to delete but don't feel like starting a new game). Let me explain to those who might not understand me; a dummy (blank) plug-in is just a .esp that you name the same as the missing mod .esp to keep playing on an old save that requires that mod. All the game is looking for is the plug-in as long as there were no dependencies. Couldn't that work with missing mods for mod paks as well?

 

If so, then there was no need for what Nexus did at all.

 

 

 

[Battle64]

7 hours ago, Nameless God said:

And here you are crying about the removal of mods? Who needs who here, because let me assure you, and everyone here, you aren't deserved anything, you are given.

Why the hostility over this?  Does pointing out what some mod users think when it comes to how some Nexus content creators act, upset you this much?  Maybe you are part of the problem that those few voiced about?

[Scrab]

2 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

dummy (blank) plug-in is just a .esp that you name the same as the missing mod .esp

What youre doing is just avoiding the warning, not the reason why that warning is there

 

Think of each .esp as a barrel with colorful liquid in it and all of those barrels are named with the name of the esp and contain a unique liquid color!

On each and every game startup, the game takes all your esp-barrels and pours them into one big bucket which ends up being your "client" for the current playsession. When you then load a savegame, you create a lil cute sponge that jumps into that soup and soaks up all the good stuff in there: The esp contents, variables n other papyrus data, etcpp and the saving is just taking that sponge, makes a clone of it saves it somewhere and throws it back into the soup

Because the soup in which your sponge is swimming is a mixture of all the finny funny liquids, itll soak up all of those colors, some more and some less. Thats just what sponges do, right?

 

Now you close the client, the game will as mentioned take all the soup out of its bucket (and the sponge, poor guy) and get rid of it so that on your next gamestartup you got a clean bucket to pour all your liquid in. When you then load up the game again, it will as mentioned take all the barrels and pour its liquid into the bucket again. Your "dummy esp" would be an empty barrel, so while the barrel is there, it doesnt contain liquid to pour into the soup

When you now load a savegame, the game will take one of those sponges it created in your last session and first check if the current soup contains at least as many different colors as there are colors inside the sponge! Now, if you remember: Each esp has a unique color, so instead of analyzing 2 colors with each other, the game just looks up what color matches what name and looks up if that name is inside its current barrel-list used to create the current soup! If it finds all barrels, it doesnt give you a warning. Yay! 

The thing here is just, that because you are using a dummy esp, the bucket doesnt actually contain any of that esps liquid. (Remember: "dummy esp" = empty barrel), so while the game does throw in the sponge without giving you a warning, the liquid the sponge is swimming in still lacks the color from that esp your removed. Hence while the game didnt know, the sponge will still realize that it doesnt have the color in its soup, it just cant give you a warning that its drowning in the bucket because the soup isnt at least the same as before

 

So long story short, while the game doesnt realize a missing esp, the savegame certainly does and your strategy to avoid that error is just a placebo to make you feel better that doesnt do anything to avoid savegame corruption. yay!

 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Catgirltrainer said:

A question for the people that are against the rule changes on Nexus, what do you guys think about Wabbajack? Have you played with collections? 

 

 

It is a way to release big content without asking permission from asset providers. You just put it on a cloud, send the link to the curator (or he finds it by himself) and he changes those assets to vanilla assets (or try to create dependencies, if possible). They actually edit both the plugins and the packages, so yes they do have work to do as well. In fact, I consider the curator a kind of mod editor, and also help desk, since he will deal with the teletubbies, instead of the mod author. Just notice what happened with Enai after he dealt with teletubbies for much time. He got sick. If there was someone else dealing with them, he would still be making mods. 

 

Mod lists will curb both the influence of gallery modders and (real) mod stealing in Patreon. The user might have a different experience than the one envisioned by the mod author, but who cares, you make mods for yourself first, and share them as a give back to the community. I stopped releasing mods in all platforms many months ago, because I'm disgusted with all the poison I see being spilled from all sides. Mod lists will bring change, and those who are against the change are part of the problem. 

 

About the haters in this thread: my mods have served more or less 24k downloads in the Nexus, against 3k in LL. Plus I had some help in the Nexus with the CK a few times, whereas here on LL, I remember having asked three times for help with the CK, and being ghosted in turn. I noticed the only thing that counts here is the like button, instead of overall contribution. So tell me, why should I remove my mods from the Nexus, when you spill hate at every corner, in a forum which have "love" in the name? You are even calling (indirectly) those supporting mod lists "Nexus cultists", when I showed alternatives to the Nexus.

[KoolHndLuke]

1 hour ago, Scrab said:

So long story short, while the game doesnt realize a missing esp, the savegame certainly does and your strategy to avoid that error is just a placebo to make you feel better that doesnt do anything to avoid savegame corruption. yay!

Thanks. I figured that was the case but wasn't sure. Ever learning (and hopefully not forgetting)... 

[MonVert]

2 hours ago, Battle64 said:

Why the hostility over this?  Does pointing out what some mod users think when it comes to how some Nexus content creators act, upset you this much?  Maybe you are part of the problem that those few voiced about?

 

When 90% involved says they are taking their mods and putting it behind a different paywall, yes? The real issue isn't "mod ownership" it's fucking money; with a paper thin disguise of morality.

 

Nexus ain't the sole problem here.