For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Catgirltrainer]

Here is my 2 cents on this. 

Without seeing Wabbajack lists I wouldn't have bought skyrim VR, which is like the fourth time I bought the same game. 

I completely understand why Nexus wants a feature like that, IMHO this is gonna be the future of modding and will make it way more accessible for all gamers, not just the hardcore that know what they are doing. 

 

The stuff that is currently happening with Skyrim VR is unprecedented, never before have mods altered a game this far. I would even say that the new VR mods like HIGGS and VRIK alter the original Skyrim more than a total conversion like Enderal. While Enderal feels like an amazing game in the skyrim engine, modded Skyrim VR is a completely different beast. Turning the barebones VR implementation by Bethesda into a full fledged control scheme that trumps every other official game release on the market is something that has never happened before and is something only the skyrim Modder community achieved. It is an impossible feat that was somehow pulled off by the greatest modding community of all time. 

 

Because of this the lifeline of Skyrim has been upped again and there are thousands of people who get hyped by YouTube mod videos and just need a simpler way in. 

 

This "simpler way in" is the sole reason I spent the last 2 months tinkering with Skyrim, finding LL, paying for a nexus sub, donating to modders who impressed etc. That still isn't good enough, but it is still early days and the lists will get there soon. 

 

When you actually use Wabbajack you get a splash screen for every mod you install, there is clear attribution and the whole process is done in a way that respects modders. As long as Nexus is doing the same this will be a great thing for Modders. Download numbers will skyrocket on any mod that gets used in these lists and will motivate everyone to improve stuff even further. 

 

No matter how I look at it, adding list support and forbidding deletions is the right way forward. If your mod is small it will find way more users by being added to a list. If your mod is big you still get the respect you deserve. 

 

I will welcome this change and if some mods disappear because of this necessary rule change then that's how it has to be. The end justifies the means in this case in my unqualified opinion. 

 

[Tlam99]

27 minutes ago, Catgirltrainer said:

The end justifies the means in

 

A:

"Look at this beautiful castle with this lots of impressive art in. "

 

B:

"it's build on the back of slaves"

 

A:

"That doesn't matter, the end justfies the means"

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Catgirltrainer said:

Because of this the lifeline of Skyrim has been upped again and there are thousands of people who get hyped by YouTube mod videos and just need a simpler way in. 

 

 

Morrowind still have modding going on, and they even have gone open source. So to say Skyrim modding will be over after TES VI is released is not realistic. What might happen is that the most hyped projects will migrate to TES VI, and also most of the gallery modders as well (if they dont go extinct after mod lists became popular). 

 

I think in the future mods will only be distributed through mod lists, and if you want them individually, you will have to download them from a repository with a text interface (like github). The visual interface will be in the software for mod lists, instead of the website. 

[27X]

6 hours ago, Catgirltrainer said:

Here is my 2 cents on this. 

Without seeing Wabbajack lists I wouldn't have bought skyrim VR, which is like the fourth time I bought the same game. 

I completely understand why Nexus wants a feature like that, IMHO this is gonna be the future of modding and will make it way more accessible for all gamers, not just the hardcore that know what they are doing. 

 

The stuff that is currently happening with Skyrim VR is unprecedented, never before have mods altered a game this far. I would even say that the new VR mods like HIGGS and VRIK alter the original Skyrim more than a total conversion like Enderal. While Enderal feels like an amazing game in the skyrim engine, modded Skyrim VR is a completely different beast. Turning the barebones VR implementation by Bethesda into a full fledged control scheme that trumps every other official game release on the market is something that has never happened before and is something only the skyrim Modder community achieved. It is an impossible feat that was somehow pulled off by the greatest modding community of all time. 

 

Because of this the lifeline of Skyrim has been upped again and there are thousands of people who get hyped by YouTube mod videos and just need a simpler way in. 

 

This "simpler way in" is the sole reason I spent the last 2 months tinkering with Skyrim, finding LL, paying for a nexus sub, donating to modders who impressed etc. That still isn't good enough, but it is still early days and the lists will get there soon. 

 

When you actually use Wabbajack you get a splash screen for every mod you install, there is clear attribution and the whole process is done in a way that respects modders. As long as Nexus is doing the same this will be a great thing for Modders. Download numbers will skyrocket on any mod that gets used in these lists and will motivate everyone to improve stuff even further. 

 

No matter how I look at it, adding list support and forbidding deletions is the right way forward. If your mod is small it will find way more users by being added to a list. If your mod is big you still get the respect you deserve. 

 

I will welcome this change and if some mods disappear because of this necessary rule change then that's how it has to be. The end justifies the means in this case in my unqualified opinion. 

 

 

You don't get to tell me what to do with my content, even if you pay. You also don't get to tell me whom to associate my content with, even if you pay.

[pinky6225]

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

Morrowind still have modding going on, and they even have gone open source. So to say Skyrim modding will be over after TES VI is released is not realistic. What might happen is that the most hyped projects will migrate to TES VI, and also most of the gallery modders as well (if they dont go extinct after mod lists became popular). 

 

I think in the future mods will only be distributed through mod lists, and if you want them individually, you will have to download them from a repository with a text interface (like github). The visual interface will be in the software for mod lists, instead of the website. 

 

If mods no longer had there own page that you can see the mod on/download it from then how would someone making a mod list know of the mod to stick it in a mod list?

[Catgirltrainer]

2 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

You don't get to tell me what to do with my content, even if you pay. You also don't get to tell me whom to associate my content with, even if you pay.

Of course not, that's why I totally understand the option for every Modder to delete now. It is their content and if they don't want to distribute it anymore then that is fine. That is the collateral to get easily moddable games in the future. 

 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

 

If mods no longer had there own page that you can see the mod on/download it from then how would someone making a mod list know of the mod to stick it in a mod list?

 

 

By going to the repository. Mod authors would have their pages there, but they would be text-based like it already is on github. 

But then, I'm only guessing. It looks like it is going in this direction. 

[Vader666]

2 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

I think in the future mods will only be distributed through mod lists

 

So i can't buy eggs for making an omlette in a supermarket anymore because i can only buy a package of eggs, flour, milk and yeast, since someone else wants me to bake a fucking bread ?

[Guest]

Just now, Vader666 said:

 

So i can't buy eggs for making an omlette in a supermarket anymore because i can only buy a package of eggs, flour, milk and yeast, since someone else wants me to bake a fucking bread ?

 

 

Yes. It will be more or less like what happened with smartphones: instead of using a browser, you use a app. The app will be the mod list manager. 

If you want to download directly you will have to go to a site with a raw interface. It will be like a wall between authors and users.

But I don't think it will affect hardcore users that much. Curators will have to handle compatibility issues and complaints from common users, though. 

[Jexsam]

This whole situation is depressing on multiple levels.

 

First and foremost, I want to be abundantly clear I'm on the side of the mod authors who don't want to relinquish control of their content.  The author should, always and without exception, be allowed to remove their stuff from any means of distribution they upload to.  Nexus cannot and should not be able to deny you the ability to remove your content at any time.  Full stop.

 

It's just really disappointing to see in full just how far TES modding has moved away from the community mindset it was built on.  It just seems weird to me to spend all that time making something for free for other people to enjoy and then decide to just take it all away.  The concepts of paywalling anything or expecting reverence and worship because you graced the unwashed masses with your art got you ridiculed by the majority back in the day.  Now ego is the norm, and it's just really depressing to see it in full swing like this.

 

Again, just because I think they shouldn't delete things doesn't mean I don't want them to have to option or control to do it.  A Cathedral Modding concept works because of people choosing to contribute freely - and freely choosing to withdraw as they see fit must be a part of that freedom.

[Gukahn]

6 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

Yes. It will be more or less like what happened with smartphones: instead of using a browser, you use a app. The app will be the mod list manager. 

If you want to download directly you will have to go to a site with a raw interface. It will be like a wall between authors and users.

But I don't think it will affect hardcore users that much. Curators will have to handle compatibility issues and complaints from common users, though. 

I don't like the idea of relying on someone for issues i wouldn't have if i did it myself. So i hope your guess is wrong and it stays mostly the same, only with an option for packs if hey have to exist.

 

It will be a premium function of nexus right? So normal users like myself should still be able to mod their game like they always did.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

It will be a premium function of nexus right? So normal users like myself should still be able to mod their game like they always did.

 

 

I thought it was, but they said it will be free, and only the automated function will be paywalled. Non-premium users will have to click on each download link. 

Personally, I'm not going to use it. I'm still using a ancient version of NMM to this day, and I like to dig content outside of the main hubs. 

[Wolfshrike]

8 hours ago, Catgirltrainer said:

No matter how I look at it, adding list support and forbidding deletions is the right way forward. If your mod is small it will find way more users by being added to a list. If your mod is big you still get the respect you deserve. 

 

Not really, because you're going to be losing a great deal of mods from authors that take a look at 'no opt out, no deletion' and nope right the fuck out of posting their shit. 

 

And  they're completely justified in doing so. You think any of the stuff I'm working on will go anywhere near nexus after this announcement? Hah!

[Pamatronic]

4 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

I think in the future mods will only be distributed through mod lists, and if you want them individually, you will have to download them from a repository with a text interface (like github). The visual interface will be in the software for mod lists, instead of the website. 

Points for Creativity though. almost spit at my screen

[MonVert]

1 hour ago, Wolfshrike said:

You think any of the stuff I'm working on will go anywhere near nexus after this announcement?

 

Really depends on the mod, and your expectations in making it. The Nexus is still the best place to upload if you want people to actually find/enjoy your mod.

[Wolfshrike]

28 minutes ago, MonVert said:

 

Really depends on the mod, and your expectations in making it. The Nexus is still the best place to upload if you want people to actually find/enjoy your mod.

 

Clever wording, that. Make it seem like that using any alternative means I'm ultimately just selfish and willing to hurt the community because I don't feel like rewarding Nexus' scummy move by giving them anything to add to their modpacks. 

 

And ultimately? I don't really care. If I get 1 person who honestly enjoys my content and I get to retain more control over it, that's better than having 10 lukewarm fans that encounter it in a pack that Nexus is trying to monetize. If Nexus changes their tune and decides to pay per download for a mod, maybe that'll be different, since at least then there's recognition the whole scheme rests on mod authors, but I doubt that'll happen. 

[MonVert]

3 minutes ago, Wolfshrike said:

Clever wording, that. Make it seem like that using any alternative means I'm ultimately just selfish and willing to hurt the community because I don't feel like rewarding Nexus' scummy move by giving them anything to add to their modpacks. 

 

Projection, or just paranoia?

 

 

[Scrab]

2 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

Yes. It will be more or less like what happened with smartphones: instead of using a browser, you use a app. The app will be the mod list manager. 

If you want to download directly you will have to go to a site with a raw interface. It will be like a wall between authors and users.

 

You are aware that an internet browser is nothing more but an app(lication) to grant mostly unrestricted access to the internet with an easy to read interface, right? That has always been the case. Your browser was an "app" before that term "app" even existed as it does today

and last time I checked the various sources to get apps from dont force me to download multiple other apps next to the one I want, your example doesnt make any sense no matter how I try to look at it kek

 

Also saying there will be a point where there only way to get singular mods is to bother about some highly complex code walls is like .. well:

Imagine a child seeing a picture book and wanting to buy it but you tell it it has to buy an entire collection with a bunch of books it doesnt want because you can only get Shakespeare Goethe or Dante as singular exemplars, doesnt really make sense, does it now?

[Scrab]

39 minutes ago, MonVert said:

The Nexus is still the best place to upload if you want people to actually find/enjoy your mod.

Id disagree with that, If you dont make it in its hot files section at the top your mod is going to die faster than anywhere else and the only way to reliably get up there is by making a texture or animation replacer or something that can abuse "sex sells", everything else there is just gamble

[Tlam99]

6 minutes ago, MonVert said:

Projection, or just paranoia?

Corrected for you, it's called free decision.

 

[Gukahn]

9 minutes ago, Scrab said:

Id disagree with that, If you dont make it in its hot files section at the top your mod is going to die faster than anywhere else and the only way to reliably get up there is by making a texture or animation replacer or something that can abuse "sex sells", everything else there is just gamble

yeah.. I wanted a specific kind of mod for almost 5 Months. Just a plane, stupid Mod that would get me Werewolf Transformation even if i was a vampire. Guess what? Such a mod exists and works flawless since 2018.. Found it by chance ? and it really deserves more attention then it got. Same Author made other mods who are now essential for me and i would never have found him if not by searching google for a way to shut  Brynjolfs stupid mouth ? But naked Followers and a "Now you can swing your sword while taking la shit" Mod? Don't have to try to find those

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, Scrab said:

 

You are aware that an internet browser is nothing more but an app(lication) to grant mostly unrestricted access to the internet with an easy to read interface, right? That has always been the case. Your browser was an "app" before that term "app" even existed as it does today

and last time I checked the various sources to get apps from dont force me to download multiple other apps next to the one I want, your example doesnt make any sense no matter how I try to look at it kek

 

Also saying there will be a point where there only way to get singular mods is to bother about some highly complex code walls is like .. well:

Imagine a child seeing a picture book and wanting to buy it but you tell it it has to buy an entire collection with a bunch of books it doesnt want because you can only get Shakespeare Goethe or Dante as singular exemplars, doesnt really make sense, does it now?

On Linux it would.
Though most dependencies will be installed automatically, mostly.

Windows world is different.

Though you would not have to go to a certain site to make it happen. You just need to know where the repository is.

[MonVert]

1 hour ago, Scrab said:

Id disagree with that, If you dont make it in its hot files section at the top your mod is going to die faster than anywhere else and the only way to reliably get up there is by making a texture or animation replacer or something that can abuse "sex sells", everything else there is just gamble

 

...You don't need to be in Hot Files for people to find your mod. Not only is it on the front page with the rest of the "new mods", but Nexus has a superior search system. Where as if you upload on LL you are in only in the side bar for a few minutes before someone uploads a bunch of LQ Sims mods, and the mod/thread search is janky as get out. Not to mention lack of functional tags. Don't get me started about having to sort through patreon, and a disgusting amount of author discords to find mods in an even more base and asinine fashion. It's like I went back to the Morrowidn days where I had to have over ten sites bookmarked to find anything.

 

1 hour ago, T-lam said:

Corrected for you, it's called free decision.

 

Yup, it's definitely your decision to upload your mod to some backwater location where almost nobody will find it. But, at that point, you might as well not have uploaded it since nobody will actually get to enjoy it. At that point it's not even parlour modding.

[Tlam99]

14 minutes ago, MonVert said:

nobody will actually get to enjoy it

we got a hell lot of nobodies then

 

And that's the difference, it doesn't bother me if someone downloads or not.

I share it, use it or leave it. Makes no difference to me. I make those for myself and share them,

but not the ownership. Not everyone has a attitude like you.

 

It is fun for me modding, and not one of this stupid categories.

 

But I hate if someone decides what is good for me, it's enslavement, taken your free decision.

With dubios explanations to hide the poor morality. It's like a sect spreading their ultimate wisdom

and their apostels are catched in a cage, following the "truth"  Poor guys......

Go ahead, maybe you convince someone, but in the end it comes up to your mind what you did

following the "enlighted" path, or maybe not, maybe better for the peace of mind, if one realizes what morality is and means.

[Andy14]

6 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

Morrowind still have modding going on, and they even have gone open source. So to say Skyrim modding will be over after TES VI is released is not realistic. What might happen is that the most hyped projects will migrate to TES VI, and also most of the gallery modders as well (if they dont go extinct after mod lists became popular). 

 

I think in the future mods will only be distributed through mod lists, and if you want them individually, you will have to download them from a repository with a text interface (like github). The visual interface will be in the software for mod lists, instead of the website. 

 

I hear, better said, I've been reading your prayers here for quite a while now.
It is also irrelevant that almost every time I get a choke that I cannot explain to myself.
Since I want to avoid that you contradict yourself again and again in your own sentences or even worse, a very simple question.
What the heck is a gallery modder and why?
Please with name and reason for this title. I assume that this designation is the result of your mind or are you just repeating what you have heard somewhere. I don't think I think it's the result of your brain.

So - what is a gallery modder and why do you call people that?

 

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I think in the future mods will only be distributed through mod list

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