For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Guest]

Look at me beg and plead for that companion mod.

[27X]

8 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

recommended Schaken

 

This is why no one takes you seriously, along with the fluoride makes the frogs gay thing. They publish child porn, charge for free mods and routinely steal people's work. Also the notion any mod made needs to be public domain so you can work less is equally fetish before common sense oriented.

 

 

5 hours ago, VeraDra said:

SkyrimSE is currently at about 20k players, and Fallout4 is at about 14.5k

LE generally pulls less impressive numbers (3.5kish).

 

lol, no. SC scrapings are not actual numbers and never have been, they are the number of times an open broadcast available instance of a game has been accessed for the time period in question. LE has four times the numbers of SE and that's not going to change for years complete with actual publishing SKU data, but it does fit the rest of your "but what about the children" narrative.

 

LE installs tend to contain quite a large number of Locally Licensed content instancing and you're never going to see the game ping the steam servers as ready for broadcast or hit an open port non-dedicated server for MP scraping. SC also contains Gamepass instancing and trying a free copy of SSE for the weekend is not going to involve modding the game no matter how much Nexus insists Vortex will be invoked and even has a whole page dedicated to such. Wonder why.

 

Anecdotal data does not innocence prove. This behavior has been occurring for years. You choosing deliberate ignorance over convenience is part of the problem, and doesn't begin to approach any kind of solution.

[VeraDra]

39 minutes ago, 27X said:

lol, no. SC scrapings are not actual numbers and never have been, they are the number of times an open broadcast available instance of a game has been accessed for the time period in question. LE has four times the numbers of SE and that's not going to change for years complete with actual publishing SKU data, but it does fit the rest of your "but what about the children" narrative.

 

LE installs tend to contain quite a large number of Locally Licensed content instancing and you're never going to see the game ping the steam servers as ready for broadcast or hit an open port non-dedicated server for MP scraping. SC also contains Gamepass instancing and trying a free copy of SSE for the weekend is not going to involve modding the game no matter how much Nexus insists Vortex will be invoked and even has a whole page dedicated to such. Wonder why.

 

Anecdotal data does not innocence prove. This behavior has been occurring for years. You choosing deliberate ignorance over convenience is part of the problem, and doesn't begin to approach any kind of solution.

The fuck are you on about?

 

All I was pointing out was cocurrent player counts, as recorded by Steam Charts. The data is collected via the Steam API on one-hour intervals, and serve as snapshots. it is not an indicator of anything but how many people are online and playing a game at that moment. If you have Steam running, this data is being collected. Steam must also be running, due to Bethesda implementing the Steamworks DRM, unless you are using some piracy tool (ex, a cracked copy or using a steam emulator of some sort).

 

The data is not perfect, as simply being in offline mode or not connected to the internet, is, as far as I am aware, enough to make it so it isn't counted.

 

It does not differentiate between modded vs unmodded, and it has no reason to. My point was entirely "game's still kicking pretty well", in response to (roughly) "dead game".

 

The fact nexusmods has a statistics page that is publicly visible is not indicitive of anything, apart from "graphs and data are cool".

[MonVert]

1 hour ago, 27X said:

They publish child porn,

 

Never knew hosting TKAA was considered "Child Porn"  ? Proof, pl0x,, or I'm going to say "You haven't the faintest".

[Grey Cloud]

3 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

2 laser eyes combat cats

Is the world ready for this? ? Brilliant.

[belegost]

All this talk about "30 days to delete mods" but has anyone actually had a look how it works?

 

I had.

They link to a supposed form for requested deletion but that's not even an automated process. All you get is another wall of text which basically states: "send your request via an email with the following data and we will get to it at our convenience".

 

So in order to request deletion, instead of filling out a ready form on the website and sending it by a click of a button, you actually have to compose a formal email and write everything they require you to provide yourself.

Dunno about you,  but to me it looks like they deliberately made the process less convenient than it could've been.

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, MonVert said:

 

Never knew hosting TKAA was considered "Child Porn"  ? Proof, pl0x,, or I'm going to say "You haven't the faintest".

It's not often I agree with @27X but in this case he is correct about Schaken Mods. TKAA may not be child porn but the 'Dolls' mods?

[Hanaxar]

9 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

If they gave a choice to the mod authors, they should. Otherwise this opens legal ground against them. 

Now you can't just say they didn't delete because you found the link on google. The link might still be on google's cache. 

If I was any of the parlor modders, I would wait some days to see if Nexus really deleted the mods, and then take a collective legal action in case they didn't. 

 

They didn't delete mods. Yesterday I got a notification on Nexus that my mods are archived by dorkone... That's all. 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, 27X said:

 

This is why no one takes you seriously, along with the fluoride makes the frogs gay thing. They publish child porn, charge for free mods and routinely steal people's work. Also the notion any mod made needs to be public domain so you can work less is equally fetish before common sense oriented.

 

 

 

I never saw any child porn on their website, I only listed the sites I know and posted on gmad about them. 

I know they have doll-faced followers, which are very popular here in LL and also on the Nexus, maybe this is what triggered this CP accusation, but it is not my problem, since I dont own that site, and I don't use their follower mods. Fact is that, when I saw mods being deleted on the Nexus, I started looking for alternatives, since some of my mods were derivatives. These are the sites I discovered, and I'm sharing the information with you entitled divas, so that you can have alternatives as well. 

 

Modpacks will be a reality, like you or not. Right now there is no content to download, but thousands of assets. Modpacks might change that. 

Armor mods, for example, they are useless, because they dont appear in the game world, you have to craft them and give them to your followers, but there are more armors than followers. So I made a mod which allows them to appear in the game world, and without scripts. No more bugged scripts resulting in naked bandits with duplicated armors on their inventories, or male bandits with female armors (which also result in them being naked). I created a extra layer of list structure before the standard lists, and assigned different outfits for male and female bandits. However, this requires to change each one of the armor plugins, to index them on those lists, and assign a [relev] tag on them. So far it worked great, and I'm having enjoyment seeing the armors in the game world. 

Can't be released on the Nexus, because some of armor creators are divas and will throw a fit to delete the mod, so that their armors keep being assets for screenshots, instead of real content. Even if I send only the plugins (which in fact is what I would do), they will say it's their "property" and it will be deleted anyway. But I can put the mod in a cloud and send the link to a modpack creator. The bad part of it is that there will be no page for it, so I will not be able to credit each one of the armor creators, and some of them are good people who are willing to share their mods, not evil entitled divas who only make mods for a portfolio in hope to join the game industry.

I don't know how this will work out, though. Maybe the modpacks will have page entries for each mod they download, and the mod creator can input some text there. But I can see here modpacks might be a solution for the current lack of content, and will also cripple the modpack selling on Patreon, which you, entitled divas, support. 

[Arund]

In the end proposing shaken-mods is a stupid idea they stole mods example;
Teylin's companions on https://schaken-mods.com/file/757-acalypha-se-fully-voiced-follower/?ct=1625402207 and his statment on https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/users/21184329

And they hide mods behind subscription.

[Seijin8]

58 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

modpacks might be a solution for the current lack of content, and will also cripple the modpack selling on Patreon, which you, entitled divas, support. 

 

Please provide a single quote from the this thread indicating that anyone is in favor of Patreon modpack selling.

 

Your grasp of what motivates the "evil divas" is as laughably remedial as your reading comprehension.

 

 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Seijin8 said:

 

Please provide a single quote from the this thread indicating that anyone is in favor of Patreon modpack selling.

 

Your grasp of what motivates the "evil divas" is as laughably remedial as your reading comprehension.

 

 

 

 

If you are against free mod lists from WJ (and now Vortex), then it follows you support paid modpacks in Patreon. Because the only way to curb selling of modpacks is by having free automated mod lists. 

So no, I'm not going to provide you any single quote. 

[Pamatronic]

11 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

If you are against free mod lists from WJ (and now Vortex), then it follows you support paid modpacks in Patreon. Because the only way to curb selling of modpacks is by having free automated mod lists. 

And the only way to curb real life robbery is to just give every potential robber free money. duh...

[Tlam99]

9 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

If you are against free mod lists from WJ (and now Vortex), then it follows you support paid modpacks in Patreon

Rhetorical, like a politician

As far I see, nobody is against modlists, but the way to have them.

 

[Grey Cloud]

36 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

If you are against free mod lists from WJ (and now Vortex), then it follows you support paid modpacks in Patreon.

Ah, the common logical fallacy of the false dichotomy.

I am against free mod lists and paid modpacks.

[Myst42]

12 hours ago, RitualClarity said:

I don't envy someone like you who is a mod author and uses Nexus to distribute their mods. I truly don't.  I wish they had the same approach they had when they first started years ago when it was a happy place for many to go. Now, many complain about their treatment. The FEAR that they have to post something that is reasonable and necessary in such cases as the current events is an indication that perhaps this isn't the Nexus that one loved in the past.

 

I know many authors that use various sites. I have heard that some really like the system they have there for their mods. The exposure of their mods to the community. Let's face it.. when many upload their mods to the world after many, many hours of work, sometimes weeks and even months of effort. They want people to be able to get their mods and enjoy all that effort they put into it. Exposure is a very important part for many mod authors. However, This isn't the first and only "EVENT" that Nexus has had in the recent times which has been counter to many of their primary supporters and mod authors. Hell, not even the 5th. they have over the past 5~8 years moved in this direction. A direction where the author has less and less respect of their rights and works. This has been a constant erosion of respect. I doubt this will change. I expect, this will just be the tip of the iceberg of what is still yet to come.  Remember, these are the same people that jumped in bed with Bethesda/Steam when they tried to roll out paid modding. I suspect this is just a start and likely due to something that might be coming down the pike for Bethesda, their mod manager and tools and the like.

 

So TL;DR. I'd use the window and remove my mods before it closes. Post it some other site. Keep it there for awhile. Then, if you wish at a later time, when you decide you want to be part of this new ecosystem and willing to accept newer restrictions on your content.  Move back to Nexus. That is always an option. I see nothing anywhere where they state if you remove these mods you will never be able to upload those or any new mods to their site. (That would be seriously stupid on their part)

Since you summoned me...

Sorry but I havent been able to keep up with the entire discussion everywhere... Though the opinions I've seen posted here, seem to reflect the general sentiment pretty much everywhere.

 

Well Ritual... you're one of the old ones, so you know where we come from.

I do have my mods scattered upon several sites, so thankfully, Nexus isn't the only thing I have.

I've mostly moved my center of operations to Patreon, and obviously I still post here. Though LL may be a bit scary to some people, because of it's porn reputation, but anyone who's been here long enough, knows this site has a lot more to offer than just porn.

 

And you're right... Even back in the day, they tried to pull off corporate bullshit, and thankfully they failed. Doesnt seem like it's gonna happen this time though.

I've never in the past hidden the fact that I considered some of the Nexus rules annoying, and downright tyrannical. But at least they kept things in check.

IE, you were not allowed to post another author's content on their site without the other author's consent, and if you posted there, you could rest assured that the site would protect your authorship and your files.

But ever since this new pile of shit hit the fan, we've come to see that the hypocrisy these people can achieve has no limits. Apparently it's not "content stealing" if they're the ones doing it. Rules for thee not for me.

 

I realize it's also somewhat silly to worry about what happens to files on the internet once they're free. It's not like when a modder deleted their mods in the past, someone else hasn't posted their content someplace else.

But alas, those kinds of moves are not backed up by a legal system, they are rarely done for profit (and if they are, they tend to piss a lot of people off resulting in the ostracizing of certain elements by the general community), and finally, those moves are certainly not done in a corporate way that legally claims to have more rights over the assets than the author.

 

Nexus has been a coporation for a good time, and there's a lot of shitty that came with it.

But there was also some good, meaning the part that you, as an author, were able to trust that you had a legal support basis to post your stuff, that you had control over your content there. That control was something that was a universal author's right. It felt safe and caring.

Now, that trust has been irreparably broken, since the one biggest thing Nexus had, which was being a safety network for creators, is gone.

Authors have officially lost control of their posted content in there. Which, as a result, makes Nexus no better than any other pirate site where anyone can post your stuff and claim it as their own.

 

As for my own personal case... I used to have some very popular mods for Oblivion there.

The results of that were a somewhat nice revenue in "donation points" It's certainly not much, but it's something extra to buy something nice.

I think if I remove my files, I will lose that something extra. And maybe some may read this and think I'm being another greedy asshole. But I dont think liking money is a bad thing. Even if they dont say it, almost everybody likes money. Most of the stuff I mod is still free anyway, the only thing donations changed is that it was nice to get something back in return for doing something I like. There is always a line between naturally liking profits and being a greedy asshole, I dont feel like I've ever crossed it, but Nexus has, and it has gone way over it.

So in terms of publicity and revenue, I do have something to loose however small it may be, which is the one reason I havent just said "LOL fuck outta here!" already.

 

On any case, I have begun the process of backing up my files and storing them someplace else. If I do take the jump, I'll be ready.

 

EDIT: And now I almost spit my drink while reading that apparently, even the file removal will be handled at "site's discretion". Maybe it's already too late.

[SexyTop69]

On 7/1/2021 at 1:10 PM, Zor2k13 said:

Yeah this is why steve40 is gone over there along with his great mods like CWSS Redux shit shower and pee mod among other things.

I really liked his mods, did he upload them else where?

 

[Zor2k13]

I hope he does because I want to get any updates he makes for CWSS redux if he ever makes and releases them.

 

The numbers people have been throwing around here since I asked the question are really small. I'm thinking about millions of numbers these stats popping up in this discussion are only tens of thousands. Without millions of daily buyers of something, anything I don't see how game companies make money without resorting to MTX and other evils. A lot of people just don't play video games they don't know or care about them and many people just don't have time. I would think they only people that buy video games are the people that really want to play them otherwise no sale.

 

Big releases of new games do bring in the millions of numbers and multiplayer is actually a great way to just track what buyers are doing with the product kind of like watching a stock market graph. I hate to say it but press F for 76 is probably going to be the business model for games going forward. That whole system is set up to just shake down people for shekels constantly. Another addon for it has been developed and is releasing aka steel reign while the old business model is going back in the box for another year and a half. I think I know where beth is going from now on.

[NeveRogue]

thank God I download and save mods in case things like this happen. Though I respect mod authors rights and never distribute them.

[MrFuturehope]

2 hours ago, Seijin8 said:

 

Please provide a single quote from the this thread indicating that anyone is in favor of Patreon modpack selling.

 

Your grasp of what motivates the "evil divas" is as laughably remedial as your reading comprehension.

 

 

 

Paid mods... Aren't they called DLCs according to the latest trend, or is that label already obsolete too?

[SexyTop69]

I see the situation from both sides but I ultimately think that it should have been an community friendly lead operation to have mod lists in junction with nexus. I think mod authors should have the option to opt in there mods into an list together in an optional way (also in a way to solidify it contractually just in case anyone gets petty so once an mod list is created one author can't break it by refuting their mod out of it by disagreement. And the logic from this comes from "does an scripter or 3d modeler opt out their contribution in a created product because they don't like the developer? No, that would be absolute chaos, they were contracted for their work and that needs to be respected among all) . It being done this way would elevate much of the pain and drama that's been caused from how I see it.

[Gukahn]

1 minute ago, MrFuturehope said:

 

Paid mods... Aren't they called DLCs according to the latest trend, or is that label already obsolete too?

Nah i am pretty sure it's called creation club ?

[Arund]

They give 30 days to make a decision, and some mod authors rushed too quickly to make a decision and started hiding or deleting their mods. What if they come back with the help of "curator" with a changed name and a few minor changes to protect themselves from the copyright ? It will be hard to prove illegal acquisition of mods. I think that everything went too fast and under the influence of emotions, not "cold head".

[MonVert]

5 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

It's not often I agree with @27X but in this case he is correct about Schaken Mods. TKAA may not be child porn but the 'Dolls' mods?

 

If Teen Dolls was "Child Porn" why was it on the Nexus, and why is it still on LL? There's nothing pornographic about using an outdated skeleton with a CBBE body that has its crotch cut out. ? I would be more concerned about TKAA kids using the sexy walk.

[pinky6225]

2 minutes ago, Arund said:

They give 30 days to make a decision, and some mod authors rushed too quickly to make a decision and started hiding or deleting their mods. What if they come back with the help of "curator" with a changed name and a few minor changes to protect themselves from the copyright ? It will be hard to prove illegal acquisition of mods. I think that everything went too fast and under the influence of emotions, not "cold head".

 

Think that will be one of the worries of people asking for deletion, once they have deleted their version associated with the mod page if someone decides to make a couple of tweaks (or doesn't even bother with that) and re-uploads it how much are nexus going to do for the original author that deleted it

 

Seen plenty of threads here were someone asks for a mod to be PM'd to them as the author has deleted so we all know that you can never really delete something once it has been shared on the net