For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Tlam99]

8 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

They can delete anything they want, that's

Thats their right, I agree.

But....you did not answer the question, my right.

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, T-lam said:

Thats their right, I agree.

But....you did not answer the question, my right.

 

 

 

I did. In the same way they can nuke the work of cathedral modders, they can retain the work of parlor modders. 

It is in their TOS. Once you upload there, they can do whatever they want with it.

[27X]

3 hours ago, Arund said:

They give 30 days to make a decision, and some mod authors rushed too quickly to make a decision and started hiding or deleting their mods. What if they come back with the help of "curator" with a changed name and a few minor changes to protect themselves from the copyright ? It will be hard to prove illegal acquisition of mods. I think that everything went too fast and under the influence of emotions, not "cold head".

 

Nope. This has been coming for years. Nexus staff are not the good guys and they never have been.

 

Protip: If someone has to loudly proclaim what good and nice people they are every year after pulling sketchy controlling bullshit, they aren't actually good guys.

[27X]

40 minutes ago, A.J. said:

I would like to share my personal experience with a serie of facts, in case they could provide few extra datas for some people.

 

- I did my WJ experience. I loved it. Yes it works very well and yes curator help you and no there's no more chore for modders, at the contrary they invite to not bother the modders. So no I don't see why things should end up bad, "technically speaking", using a modlist. If you can get a load order work on your own computer, then you can also copy that stuff on another computer and it will work, really.

 

- I didn't know more than half of the mods of the list I installed, I didn't see the names, the authors etc. This is what happens when you click on a big button and then click Play when it has finished. While the instructions were extensively clear to describe how to set few options in few mods (so these were named), they never reported the complete list of the mods nor the authors.

 

- I didn't endorse any mod, I don't know what mods I just installed. On the other hand, of course I have a positive feeling vs the curator, thank you for doing all the work for me, it took me half day vs 2 weeks. I also surfed on the curator's Twitch, Youtube, Patreon, etc. you know, to see their activity and subscribe to what I was interested.

 

- My curator's Patreon earns very very little compared to other lists I've seen on the net. In a month, the curator earns more or less what I earn in about 1 year of DPs on Nexus with 20+ mods. Fun fact: one of these is on the list.

 

- I later decided to inspect the package, I found content of 2 modders who decided to remove these mods from the scene, + content which Bethesda wouldn't allow.

 

- A point which is unrelated to the aboves: attentive eyes can confirm that everytime you see a bunch of MAs debating about this subject, the MAs who are in favor to the lists usually are actually people having personal interest and involvement with them even if they don't tell you.

 

Probably because you are quite literally part of the problem. I am not here to make you specifically a product. My decision to place content out in the open is MY decision and doesn't involve you in the least and it doesn't involve secondary curation either, and it should never be assumed to do so.

 

Entirely a modder's decision yay or nay; and reducing it to a consumer transaction because you can't be assed to give a fuck about what you install is not a me problem, and it shouldn't ever be going forward unless I choose to spend that time.

 

The Nexus turning mods into a service should be an entirely voluntary affair and if they can't be assed to pay for the work they co-opt they shouldn't have access to it.

 

Also literal lol at curators should be payed but fuck modders, I can't understand that shit so why should I pay. The condescension is physically palpable.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

Probably because you are quite literally part of the problem.

 

 

I'm someone who created content for about 9 years, always setting free permissions and all. Yes I think I'm definitely part of the problem because of that. But there's still time to remedy, we have about a month.

 

In the meantime I highlighted with actual facts a realistic glimpse of what's gonna happen and it'll be probably unavoidable. I prefer talking about concrete facts than absurd theories, false accusations or filling my mouth with big complicated words just to give me a tone.

[Gameplayer]

There is a lot less reason to get excited about up coming new modable games now.

 

Who will want to develop plartform mods to insert new functions into these games or what groups of people will band together to render new lands with quests?

 

Seems to me that Beyond Skyrim, Skywind, Fallout 4 Miami etc are all being developed on their own platform sites for a reason as it is and that was largely because they dont want the work to be subject to a certain guys whims.

[27X]

44 minutes ago, A.J. said:

who created content for about 9 years

 

Absolves you of nothing.

 

The point is choice. The modder's choice. Not the hoster's choice, nor the downloader's choice. I didn't have to put any words in your mouth because you did it all by yourself, just like Elianora, Arthmoor, and enaisiaisaisaisiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaia. There are no theories presented, only facts. Again, you ignoring those facts is not someone else's problem and your context is no more meaningful than anyone else's. You were saying something about baseless theorizing? This has been in the works for. years. This was actualized in in-storage packaging and distribution five months ago and was coded thus before then. The only person theorizing here is you and person that still believes the Nexus ToS is a legal framework.

[DoctaSax]

I think you skipped the point of AJ's original post, which is simply describing the WJ experience, good and bad. She doesn't need absolving.

 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

Absolves you of nothing.

 

 

Never said that. You always jump to wrong conclusions which are rational only for yourself. The issues I underlined have Nexus completely out of the picture but as expected you don't see them, I can't expect that someone whose attention span is the same of a dead hamster can read more than a sentence. I'd love to see what you actually did all this time which is modding related, for the community, because in all truth I've never seen anything made by you which is different than insulting people and general trolling as you usually do, it would really help to see your actual statements as something to be taken in consideration instead than simply considering you the LL's resident idiot.

[Guest]

Fun side info.

A guy on Nexus asked me with a PM to get one of my mods (FM4S), merge it with a mod he did (no clues what this is) and re-post on another site.

Possibly with some credits ?

 

Is this an effect of what is going on?

[NeveRogue]

In the end, those who want to remove their mods will, those who don't, won't. And there's nothing to say that nexus will even honor removing the mods from their storage anyways since there seems to be a lack of faith in them anyways. This is why I generally avoid nexus for all but the most needed mods, would rather just go to a mod authors site if they have one or a discord. But I'm not a Mod Author so my point probably is/isn't valid idk anymore.

[27X]

17 minutes ago, DoctaSax said:

I think you skipped the point of AJ's original post, which is simply describing the WJ experience, good and bad. She doesn't need absolving.

 

 

I didn't miss anything. Mods as a service does not in any way shape or form have to be the definitive experience.

 

This is quite literally "isn't cable TV so convenient? All them channels you're forced to buy in a package deal because someone's uncle made a bad investment in the Animal Husbandry Channel's holding company five years ago, and also the three you actually possibly watch for an hour out of the week."

 

I don't want your service and I don't want my mods in your service, and I don't care how many PHD's in Cable TVology you have on the wall behind your barcalounger. The reasonable rational point of this argumentation is months, many months out of date. That time has long long since passed.

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, Gameplayer said:

Seems to me that Beyond Skyrim, Skywind, Fallout 4 Miami etc are all being developed on their own platform sites for a reason as it is and that was largely because they dont want the work to be subject to a certain guys whims.

I am curious about their final decision after the news about ''Collections'' and Vortex and how it could all end up tied together in a new multi-corporate Monopoly. 

There were earlier Announcements about Skywind going to nexus but they kept to themselves still. 

There is also the Apotheosis Project https://www.moddb.com/mods/apotheosis which is nearly finished but it remains to see wether they will go to Nexus or not. Glad Vicn with Vigilant and Glenmoril continues to host his own website even if he continues to maintain them on nexus. Not sure if he will stop.

[27X]

13 minutes ago, A.J. said:

which is modding related

 

I did plenty and I do plenty. The time when my mods weren't 100% private was when people didn't monetize Source and Lithtech assets. Point of fact is I'm the sole provider on the only extant total conversion of AvP2+PH that exists. Had a pretty similar set up for source games until people started monetizining my work on private GMod and Jedi Knight servers.

 

I've already done this dance ten years ago, and I'm not going to provide third parties financial boons this particular go around, or ever. For someone having the factual high ground, you seem in pretty short supply of the actual metrics in place, especially considering this is not the first time this has happened, or even the second. The only difference this time is scale, and unlike Bethesda, Valve stepped in directly that last time it was done and ended public misuse until Gary Newman got off his ass and started managing the mess he helped create in the first place.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, 27X said:

 

blablabla

yeah you answered by yourself: LL's resident idiot. You just destroyed any remote doubt that I could have when reading the immense truckloads of sh-t you usually post, see #313.

[FauxFurry]

 

6 hours ago, MonVert said:

 

If Teen Dolls was "Child Porn" why was it on the Nexus, and why is it still on LL? There's nothing pornographic about using an outdated skeleton with a CBBE body that has its crotch cut out. ? I would be more concerned about TKAA kids using the sexy walk.

None of it counts as Child Porn as there is not even one actual child is affected by the use of any of the mods hosted on any site. There are, however, ones and zeroes which make up the assets which may or may not be arranged in a way as to resemble children.

One can use Bodyslide to make a body the resembles a child or conversely, one can replace characters who are designated children in the script with characters who look and sound like adults. 

 

One could say that such things enable 'Lolicon/Shotacon' more readily than the average mod which requires far more work to enable it. It would be accurate to say that the likes of TK Children of RS Children (once hosted on LL but now on the Nexus) are starter kits for anyone looking to make such models.

Of course, that could really be said of any child character model anywhere.

[FauxFurry]

3 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

What do you mean with 'my kind'.

Also, look up the definition of 'slander' and check the mirror.

Slander is spoken. Libel is written/typed. 

[FauxFurry]

15 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

You are (a bit) wrong on the numbers. Fallout 4 and Skyrim are still very popular on Steam, even moreso than say CyberPunk:

 

Fallout 4 player base Steam:

 

- GTA V has over 10 times as many daily players as Cyberpunk 2077
- Witcher 3 has over twice as many
- Fallout 4 and Skyrim SE have about twice as many
- Fallout 76 has 1.5 times as many

https://store.steampowered.com/stats/

 

To be as fair to Cyberpunk 2077 as it warrants, many of its PC players are on Good Old Games using the GOG Galaxy.

It might be a bit tough to get accurate numbers on the active player count that way. It still is not likely as high as any of those games but Steam is not the end-all-be-all for PC games once again. 

[VeraDra]

3 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

So I had a very long and big discussion with the Wobbajack team about this. And I know exactly how they make their money through Patreon. I also tried talking very nicely with them for about 2 hours, before they started to become less than decent. In the end they flatout admitted to making money off the mods, not giving a crap about what I or other mod creators think, they admitted to getting mods from other sources besides Nexus as well and would not admit which sources they are, they admitted to EDITING the ESP's as THEY SEE FIT. Thereby altering and redistributing the work of other mod-authors.

 

Don't try to convince ME other wise, because I know this shit first hand alright?

It is not hard to find out what sources Wabbajack uses. Via using the power of reading, we can find out that they are listed on the github's readme. Guess they don't try and hide it.

 

People give the Wabbajack developers money on Patreon in exhange for them to continue development of Wabbajack, and keeping everything like the build server they use and the website online. You do not pay for access to any specific mod lists. This is strictly prohibited.

 

They (being, modlist creators) modify ESPs in order to inprove comnpatibility. This is no different than a guide like The Pheonix Flavour or the STEP Skyrim SE guide, the only difference is this is done automatically and does not require the end user to use tools like xEdit themselves. Oh, they also don't redistribute a modified ESP. The patching is done in according to the `patch` file that is included in the .wabbajack file (which is mostly a zip file). This is done for compatibility, especially because you may want some changes from ModA annd ModB, which cannot otherwise be solved with just changing the load order, and would require the use of xEdit.

 

You are frunctionally getting pissed off that someone is making it easy for others to get a great modded game and not have to spend hours configuring it and dealing with the hassle that comes along with figuring out conflicts on their own.

 

You lose nothing by someone using a tool like Wabbajack. You still get credited for the download. You may not get the endorsement, but the assumption that you would only stays true if the user who used 

[Zor2k13]

And so it begins, the exodus of the discord zoomer flakes from nexus. https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/images/209669

 

The level of snowflake butthurt on discord servers is so high if you even utter a single word of well maybe if... there it causes massive amounts of boohooing for ten minutes or more. This is why I don't like discord these zoomers can't take it when someone points out how they fucked up something so they run away to discord like that one guy that made the mercenary mod. Nobody is gonna just ignore most of their character abdomen area missing just so a strapped bag looks okay or whatever. Last I heard someone was trying to fix the mercenary mod other than the author but that was years ago.

 

I think there will be a few normal modders I will follow outside of nexus if they even go outside of nexus and that will be it. No more leaving nexus page open to see what new mod has been uploaded or whatever. Nope no more traffic for nexus and I bet a lot of people will eventually think the same thing.

[DoneBye]

1 hour ago, FauxFurry said:

To be as fair to Cyberpunk 2077 as it warrants, many of its PC players are on Good Old Games using the GOG Galaxy.

It might be a bit tough to get accurate numbers on the active player count that way. It still is not likely as high as any of those games but Steam is not the end-all-be-all for PC games once again. 

Such as me, for example. F:NV, D:OS 2, CP2077, Oblivion, Pathfinder: Kingmaker, Wasteland 3... just to name a few games that I have on GOG instead of Steam. (now that I think about it, do Wasteland 3 and CP2077 count as Good Old Games? ? )

 

I get to keep actual, playable copies of the game without having to use the launcher (no DRM), I don't get updates shoved down my throat, which means I can wait out and see how patches go, instead of getting my game nuked until a hotfix is released.

 

----

 

As for the topic at hand...

 

I used to have mods there... and I'm pretty sure they've been in the archives for ages (years really) because I can still access the GMAD. If you ask me, that "delete" button never did anything. Doesn't change the fact that what they're doing is IP theft.

 

Am I going to request them to delete my files? No. Those mods are so old, I doubt they work on anything anymore. Whoever decides to use them, good luck.

 

However, I won't be posting a single thing on the Nexus again. What I posted, I did because I wanted to share.

I don't need exposure, thankfully. I'm already in the game industry, and have been in it for around 12 years (please mind, I'm not decrying those who need it. My work as a modder is what got me into the gaming industry to begin with, although not through the Nexus).

[dxw]

Nexus knows what they're doing. They're shaking up the tree so that the bad apples fall loose. And it's working :).

 

A few things hit me that weren't pointed out directly:

1. SourceForge - They did what Nexus is doing. Except with source code. For projects that people actually care about. And Mozilla couldn't stop them.
    
2. Most people are refusing to acknowledge that distribution rights are not the same as ownership of intellectual property.

Will Nexus monetize mods? Maybe. But they don't have legal exclusive right to distribution. Scared of this Nexus change? Stop being lazy and set up a webserver. Serve your own files for free, and tell people to skip the Nexus.

 

The tone of this argument would be entirely different if it wasn't for Patreon. I hope that website dies unceremoniously. It is making too many people believe that piecemeal piecework completed in a vacuum is an acceptable substitute for earning a livelihood.

[belegost]

47 minutes ago, dxw said:

Patreon. I hope that website dies unceremoniously. It is making too many people believe that piecemeal piecework completed in a vacuum is an acceptable substitute for earning a livelihood.

Pateron does not end with mods. In fact, mod authors or even video games at large are an insignificant amount of projects that are being posted on this website.

[27X]

14 hours ago, VeraDra said:

It is not bundling and redistributing mods,

 

That is EXACTLY what it is, and if you bothered to read the actual terms you bandy about like your junk they reserve the right to alter your mod as they see fit.

 

You're 0-4 at this point.

[Grey Cloud]

9 hours ago, Zor2k13 said:

And so it begins, the exodus of the discord zoomer flakes from nexus

You mean the well written and articulated piece by a mod author setting out his reasons? What's your problem he is not even removing his existing mods.

I could add that the guy didn't feel the need to insult anyone or stick labels on them.