For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Zaflis]

6 hours ago, Arund said:

The best way to hurt a Nexus is to restore mods and post information on the mod homepage about these silly changes and where mod users can find a new version of the mod. I guess that would be the best way to hit the Nexus without hitting mod users.

Most people only keep their mods in 1 place, or sometimes also workshop. It's what i do anyway. If your mod home is something like Patreon then you are even more living in a dream that you can delete your mods. Unless you enjoy s****ing off players that pay for your content.

[Arund]

23 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

Most people only keep their mods in 1 place, or sometimes also workshop. It's what i do anyway. If your mod home is something like Patreon then you are even more living in a dream that you can delete your mods. Unless you enjoy s****ing off players that pay for your content.

My post was reffered to people who wanted the nexus to pay for creating this mess and I just wanted to point out that ultimately mod users will pay for it and I wanted to give some ideas on how to fix this problem.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MrFuturehope said:

@Wolfstorm321, lack of what would you count as new content won't get magically fixed by putting more restrictions on the modders, even less so when they start leaving the server looking for more feasible alternatives to host their mods.

 

 

I don't need it to be fixed, because I'm already making the content I need. I only want a search engine that works. I lost good mods from sight because of it. Imagine the frustation when you are searching for green grass and what appears are main menu replacers. 

Last year there was a rumour mods with less than 5% endorsement-to-download ratio were not appearing in searches. But now it is clear Nexus do have a problem in their database. If to fix it they need to archive the mods instead of deleting them, so be it. 

Also, the scene needs to get a beating for it's arrogance and mistreatment both of mod users and other mod authors. I saw mods (from other authors) being taken down because of "stolen assets", without the author even knowing which assets he had "stolen". 

[XunAmarox]

They could've done this in a way that wasn't god awfully atrocious:

• Allow modders to retain the right to delete their files/mods at any time for any fucking reason - it's theirs. They don't need to give a reason and beg for Nexus staff's god damn approval.

• Allow modders to opt-out of collections entirely as an option, choose to allow would-be collection makers to have to ask them for permission to include their mod in a collection, or just allow all collections (which they'd probably put as the default setting). And it'd be on a per-mod basis.

 

There are plenty of collections systems like Steam's that both allows mod authors to delete their mods (permanently), and doesn't catastrophically break. Their excuses were utter tripe; just justification for what they already wanted to do.

 

Frankly I suspect this heralds something far more sinister. They didn't have to do it like this. They chose to. That's telling.

 

I'd love to see Nexus meet its downfall from this smarmy shit, with so many modders leaving that it becomes unsavable. I don't think that's going to happen. However many leave I don't think it'll be enough for most to even notice and Nexus will go on. I'd like to be wrong but after seeing that disgustingly sickening thread with droves of entitled pieces of shit dog piling on modders and anyone expressing any dissent... I don't think it's gonna happen. To be perfectly honest some of the shit written there was enough to make someone not even want to publicly share mods anymore if those are the people using them.

 

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2 hours ago, MonVert said:

 

I wonder how Nexus staff will feel when you put "Full version only, and freely, available at Loverslab!" in the description. ? Anyone want to try it? ?

Last I heard years ago LoversLab was a blacklisted word/site and they don't allow any mention of it.

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Also I wouldn't want to upset anyone by saying this but LL isn't gonna be the place modders go after Nexus. The infrastructure just isn't good enough. I couldn't even search or figure out how to view my own mods tbh, and people've already said LL already has trouble with its existing mod load. I suspect most will probably be going places like ModDB, Bethesda, Steam, etc.

[Distortedrealms]

9 minutes ago, XunAmarox said:

 

Last I heard years ago LoversLab was a blacklisted word/site and they don't allow any mention of it.

Its been allowed for a while now.

[Andy14]

Here's a hypothesis, or two, actually.

 

 

1. To be able to offer mod collections (regardless of the pointlessness of such collections), mods must be archived.
Example: A mod collection consists of 10 mods. And all mods are compatible with each other, which is the prerequisite for a collection.
Now the author of Mod 7 is developing his mod further.
In the way that 3 mods from this collection are no longer compatible.
Result: The collection is screwed - OR: The changes made by the author of Mod 7 are irrelevant because the archive version is used in the collection.
That would be a hypothesis and technically not completely unfounded.

 

2. Or the story the other way around:
Question from Cretin: Does anyone have an idea with which I can secure the rights to the mods in such a way that it sounds plausible?
Answer: Yes Mod collections.
Question: How long do you need for this.
Answer: At least 2 years. But how are you going to prepare people for it?
Question: Prepare? What are you talking about? Your next suggestion is maybe I should ask her or what ?!

[Wolfshrike]

17 minutes ago, XunAmarox said:

I'd love to see Nexus meet its downfall from this smarmy shit, with so many modders leaving that it becomes unsavable. I don't think that's going to happen. However many leave I don't think it'll be enough for most to even notice and Nexus will go on. I'd like to be wrong but after seeing that disgustingly sickening thread with droves of entitled pieces of shit dog piling on modders and anyone expressing any dissent... I don't think it's gonna happen. To be perfectly honest some of the shit written there was enough to make someone not even want to publicly share mods anymore if those are the people using them.

 

It won't happen overnight, but given the general response, this is not going to help Nexus at all. 

 

It speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes the scene work: yes, you ideally want to spread mods and the ability to use them to more end users to drive traffic, but in order to do so you almost have to cater to the people actually making mods, as they're the ones creating the thing that brings the end users in in the first place. Modpacks are cool and all, but doing something like this is gonna make sure they'll be pretty barren and samey. 

 

But, greed makes people make stupid decisions, so here we are, I guess. 

[Gukahn]

10 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Now the author of Mod 7 is developing his mod further.
In the way that 3 mods from this collection are no longer compatible.

And that is why collections are bullshit ? that and all the other aforementioned reasons.. 

Finally finished to look at the damage.. well 6 mods of my list are gone, not that tragic, only one that really hurts ? god damn it nexus. On the bright site i know have them finally all in a catalogue and just need to smash them into the game again if i ever royal fuck things up  ?

(Well it's not a matter of if, only when ? XD)

[MonVert]

48 minutes ago, Arund said:

My post was reffered to people who wanted the nexus to pay for creating this mess and I just wanted to point out that ultimately mod users will pay for it and I wanted to give some ideas on how to fix this problem.

 

 

YEah, uhh, I play a video game; that I already paid for, why would I ever want to pay for extra jiggly pixels; especially to a third party?

 

Can you imagine if you had to *pay* for things like Pfuscher's Skyrim 2020, or TAWOBA? Let's not encourage people to go down that road, or modding will never be the same again.

 

9 minutes ago, Wolfshrike said:

But, greed makes people make stupid decisions, so here we are, I guess. 

 

Nexus' greed is stoking mod author's greed, and making people take stuff off the nexus just so they can hide it behind a real paywall. <_<

[Andy14]

Just now, Gukahn said:

And that is why collections are bullshit ? that and all the other aforementioned reasons.. 

Finally finished to look at the damage.. well 6 mods of my list are gone, not that tragic, only one that really hurts ? god damn it nexus. On the bright site i know have them finally all in a catalogue and just need to smash them into the game again if i ever royal fuck things up  ?

(Well it's not a matter of if, only when ? XD)

One-click installations from different sources and and nobody knows the other are viewed soberly - wishful thinking and supporters suffer from a loss of reality.
Here on LL, too, there were requests from time to time. Possibly 20 - 30 inquiries since 2012. So much for the topic - the users absolutely want it. lol

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, XunAmarox said:

 

Last I heard years ago LoversLab was a blacklisted word/site and they don't allow any mention of it.

 

I confirm it is no more the case.

[MrFuturehope]

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

If to fix it they need to archive the mods instead of deleting them, so be it.

Smaller amount of data the server has to process = better performance

Bigger amount of data the server has to process = lower performance

 

Which one of these two options do you think will apply in case they start archiving / hoarding mods instead of occasional deletion of the old mods? You can guess twice.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, MrFuturehope said:

Smaller amount of data the server has to process = better performance

Bigger amount of data the server has to process = lower performance

 

Which one of these two options do you think will apply in case they start archiving / hoarding mods instead of occasional deletion of the old mods? You can guess twice.

 

 

The first one. The Nexus gave 30 days for the mod authors to delete their files. 

With this, many parlor modders will leave, which will cause a lot of mods to be deleted, I'm predicting like 20-30%. This will bring some relief to their servers, giving some time for them to fix their technical issues. 

[Distortedrealms]

There are like 2-3 people responding to every single thread and being negative to mod authors under that news topic that are obviously goons for their overlords, it is so obvious. And if they are doing it of their own accord, that level of obsession is borderline creepy. 

[Arund]

51 minutes ago, MonVert said:

 

 

YEah, uhh, I play a video game; that I already paid for, why would I ever want to pay for extra jiggly pixels; especially to a third party?

 

Can you imagine if you had to *pay* for things like Pfuscher's Skyrim 2020, or TAWOBA? Let's not encourage people to go down that road, or modding will never be the same again.

 

 

Nexus' greed is stoking mod author's greed, and making people take stuff off the nexus just so they can hide it behind a real paywall. <_<

My whole sentence lost it's meaning when I tried to translate from my native language and what I meant was that mod users are gonna be the one to suffer from this because some essential mods are being pulled out from Nexus.  In the end mod authors are mod users too and we're all in the same boat.

[MrFuturehope]

41 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

The first one. The Nexus gave 30 days for the mod authors to delete their files. 

With this, many parlor modders will leave, which will cause a lot of mods to be deleted, I'm predicting like 20-30%. This will bring some relief to their servers, giving some time for them to fix their technical issues. 

 

Ok, first of all, Nexus team never said they are giving the modders time to request deletion of their files for reason of fixing the backend of the service, the reasoning used was essentially that they felt it would be fair to let the modders decide whether they want to stay or leave and they gave them this time for that decision, there was nothing more to it, so I don't know what makes you think that they are going to use that time to do some improvements on the backend of the service, that's just your assumption based on something as vague as "we might do some improvements IF and WHEN"... Also, the way you put it makes me feel like you are quite happy about this whole situation, the outflow of quality modders and deletion of their mods. I'm not sure what did you mean by "parlor modders", but it almost feels like you have some grudge against certain group of modders there that you would like to be gone. Just remember that this will have impact on all modders, not just the ones you may not like that much and it was Nexus team that put modders under this pressure in the first place - either all mods deleted or nothing, leaving modders with not too many options, so if you expect only those modders you like less will be the ones who will leave, think twice. I posted a screenshot with several quality mods that were deleted just in couple of days and obviously they are not coming back, ever, unless something drastically changes. Again, they may not be mods that interest you personally, but I'm pretty sure some of your favorite mods may get deleted yet. Perhaps you will look at it differently then.

[Distortedrealms]

16 minutes ago, Arund said:

My whole sentence lost it's meaning when I tried to translate from my native language and what I meant was that mod users are gonna be the one to suffer from this because some essential mods are being pulled out from Nexus.  In the end mod authors are mod users too and we're all in the same boat.

This is why I have a problem with the way many people have evolved in the past few decades, it seems they don't have the ability to see the larger consequences anymore. All the people insulting mod authors, and telling them to leave, are they not understanding that some of these creators may never create again? What potential mods could be made but will never happen because some authors leave modding because of the hate they are getting? It is mind numbing how short-sighted people are. And for what? The most lazy way to mod games? Disgusting.

[DoctaSax]

2 minutes ago, MrFuturehope said:

the reasoning used was essentially that they felt it would be fair to let the modders decide whether they want to stay or leave

 

When the announcement was first made in the private sections of Nexus, there was no talk of this so-called grace period at all. That was only added due to the massively negative feedback: people who disagreed with file deletions being impossible couldn't delete their files in response anyway. It was a done deal.

The grace period isn't exactly very gracious, it's short, you can only choose to delete all your stuff or nothing at all, and the process has you jumping through hoops. That game media articles about all this clutch onto it as a sign of good faith only goes to show they've been spoonfed the right talking points.

 

[MrFuturehope]

5 minutes ago, Distortedrealms said:

This is why I have a problem with the way many people have evolved in the past few decades, it seems they don't have the ability to see the larger consequences anymore. All the people insulting mod authors, and telling them to leave, are they not understanding that some of these creators may never create again? What potential mods could be made but will never happen because some authors leave modding because of the hate they are getting? It is mind numbing how short-sighted people are. And for what? The most lazy way to mod games? Disgusting.

 

Funny thing is that it's not even that "lazy way", because creating a working mod list with no conflicts isn't always easy nor fun thing to do, we all know that from our own experience. I mean, sure the process of installing such collection for the end-user may be automated (although not so automated for free users anyway, they will still have to download everything manually and at limited speed), but there still has to be someone to create and maintain the collections and working patches for them in the first place. I don't think there are too many people capable to create and maintain really reliable collections and surely not for every single game for which Nexus offers mods and after this backlash, I'm not sure if there will be enough skilled modders even willing to help Nexus with this goal. Nexusmods pissed many people with this, so in the end they may end up regretting this change, we will see...

[VeraDra]

9 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

The first one. The Nexus gave 30 days for the mod authors to delete their files. 

With this, many parlor modders will leave, which will cause a lot of mods to be deleted, I'm predicting like 20-30%. This will bring some relief to their servers, giving some time for them to fix their technical issues. 

20-30% is way too high.
 

I estimate there will be next to no major mods removed, unless the author ultimately wants to prove the point a mod archive is necessary.

[Mauserl]

8 hours ago, 27X said:

 

It is.

 

The staff thinks no one will have the money or balls to sue them.

That's what some artists have lawsuit insurances and associations for... the single artist surly has a hard time bringing Nexus down in a legal battle but lets imagine one of those mod authors being a well networked and legaly prepared full-time 3D artist...

[MrFuturehope]

10 minutes ago, DoctaSax said:

That game media articles about all this clutch onto it as a sign of good faith only goes to show they've been spoonfed the right talking points.

 

Oh, did it already reach media outlets? Well, I wasn't following them, but it kinda feels like the only reason why they gave those 30 days to modders was really just to get some points in the said media outlets. Readers, especially the ones who don't have enough information might start to think it's all ok, because good old Nexus saved the day and generously gave the modders a choice to opt-out. Who knows, the same readers may even start praising Nexus for good business practices after this.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CPU said:

 

I confirm it is no more the case.

They used to ban and give warnings just for the mention of it, I would remove your stuff first or have "demo" versions if you plan on doing that because once you are banned you also don't have access to your stuff anymore.

[XunAmarox]

22 minutes ago, MrFuturehope said:

 

Oh, did it already reach media outlets? Well, I wasn't following them, but it kinda feels like the only reason why they gave those 30 days to modders was really just to get some points in the said media outlets. Readers, especially the ones who don't have enough information might start to think it's all ok, because good old Nexus saved the day and generously gave the modders a choice to opt-out. Who knows, the same readers may even start praising Nexus for good business practices after this.

  I've already seen a few news articles. They pretty much all seemed overly positive and oblivious to how a lot of mod authors feel.

30 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

20-30% is way too high.
 

I estimate there will be next to no major mods removed, unless the author ultimately wants to prove the point a mod archive is necessary.

A few of mine were to be honest, and those are nuked. But gotta agree, 20-30% is probably way too high. I'd put it more like 1-10%. I'd like to be wrong but don't think I will be.

[VeraDra]

14 minutes ago, XunAmarox said:

A few of mine were to be honest, and those are nuked. But gotta agree, 20-30% is probably way too high. I'd put it more like 1-10%. I'd like to be wrong but don't think I will be.

Maybe 1%.
Most of which will likely be done reactionary, and end up like this guy, who deleted their mods, lost the benefits that come with having a relatively popular mod (access to the private modding forum, etc), and now want the benefits back, but do not want to (re)contribute their mods.

 

I would not be surprised in the slightest if most of the deleted mods end up coming back a while later.