For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Guest]

Seems like the Facebook model. Not surprised really.

 

Are there any other modding sites besides Nexus that contain lots of mods?

[Reginald_001]

2 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

If you are against free mod lists from WJ (and now Vortex), then it follows you support paid modpacks in Patreon. Because the only way to curb selling of modpacks is by having free automated mod lists. 

So no, I'm not going to provide you any single quote. 

Your logic is flawed. I'm against Wobbjack (which is NOT 'free' as they receive donations by STEALING other people's work WITHOUT ASKING). And I'm against other modpacks.

 

Let's rephrase: Modpacks are 99.9% THIEVES. NONE of them ASKED for PERMISSION to take the 2000 hours of WORK that I SOLELY MYSELF put into these mods. So you go take that circular logic and shove it where the light doesn't shine.

 

If anyone here is entitled, it's you.

[Grey Cloud]

12 minutes ago, MonVert said:

If Teen Dolls was "Child Porn" why was it on the Nexus, and why is it still on LL?

Because they are not the version behind the pay-wall.

[Gukahn]

1 minute ago, wutpickel said:

Are there any other modding sites besides Nexus that contain lots of mods?

That's the thing. The Reason they even have the balls to do such a thing is that they are by far the biggest and well known site for mods. There are smaller ones but nothing in compares to nexus and the moment you google for mods, nexus is on top if them all.

[Gameplayer]

What should I as an author do?

 

What should banned authors do?

 

This already is sounding like we need a legal fund pool or to find free legal help.

[Gukahn]

3 minutes ago, Gameplayer said:

What should I as an author do?

Depends, if you are against the changes, put your mods down as long as you can and if you still want to share them, wait until you find a new site to do so..

(just looked you up, some other mods depend on your work. If Authors like you do it, it would has a bigger impact i think.)

(why do i think your unp mod is one of the first people are saving on there pc if you really gonna do it? xD)

5 minutes ago, Gameplayer said:

What should banned authors do?

I think they are fucked, hard.. In the ass.. without cuddling afterwards.. sadly.. Shouldn't there be a way they can get their work still down? I mean.. It's still theirs

 

 

[Guest]

The way the Gaming industry goes with Game Pass, or Vortex, or Collections their argument is always: Hey you're fine this isn't some conspiracy. And once all is said and done you wake up with ''Lost ownership of what you paid for or worked hours for it'' you loose control of your game, you loose controll of your privacy, you also loose access ''Unless you play by their rules'' in their Corporate controlled world were you are the victim and they can profit from thin air. It's happening everywhere and it's sad to see it on the Gaming Industry as well.

 

That's why i think ''We shouldn't make a single step back on that matter'' The more Independent we are the better.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

That's the thing. The Reason they even have the balls to do such a thing is that they are by far the biggest and well known site for mods. There are smaller ones but nothing in compares to nexus and the moment you google for mods, nexus is on top if them all.

 

I do not like Google at all. But yes, i get it.

Though i started looking at nsfwmods but there is not much there in the file section. I assume thats because no authors upload mods. Perhaps?

[Kendo 2]

45 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

Nothing in compares to nexus and the moment you google for mods, nexus is on top if them all.

 That's 'the community's' fault and one of the reasons why Dork0ne is doing what he's doing.  Modders and mod users did this shit to themselves.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Reginald_001 said:

Your logic is flawed. I'm against Wobbjack (which is NOT 'free' as they receive donations by STEALING other people's work WITHOUT ASKING). And I'm against other modpacks.

 

 

Then you are against none of them. To side with WJ against Patreon bugged paywalled modpacks means you took a stance against (real) mod stealing. Time is money, and when you paywall the time of others (the time you spent making the mod), you are stealing money from them. 

I remember one year ago there was a guy making $10k per month (according to Patreon "metrics") by selling a modpack with free mods inside it. None of the authors received a dime from that money. 

Recently I mentioned him again on GMAD, but then, later I checked on Patreon to see if he was still there, and could not find his profile anymore. Instead I found some modpack authors making $200 per month through donations, their packs were not even paywalled. This means WJ have worked against the paywalling stuff, it had a real effect on it. Add Vortex to it and the paywalling stuff will be gone. 

But since you said you are against both of them, tell me, what are you doing against them? Removing your mods from circulation will not have any effect.

Donations will never give too much money and are entirely optional. If people are giving more donations to modpackers than mod authors, it means there is some stigma towards mod authors, and I can say it is caused by the entitlement and arrogance that you, parlor modders, display everywhere. 

[Gameplayer]

Without producers,

 

Mod sites are just glorified data storage services.

[MonVert]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

Because they are not the version behind the pay-wall.

 

Dolls isn't behind a paywall... I know, because I tried all of those mods six months ago.

 

Sassy Teen Dolls isn't.

 

Neither is Dolls SE.

 

You just need to be logged in to download, just like VP.

 

So, again, what is this magic child porn accusation being flung around based on exactly? Even the completely optional body replacers for the teens isn't behind a paywall, and that's the closest you'll ever get to your fictitious claim  of CP; which is, again, optional and does nothing by itself.

 

Did you know, TKAA uses it's own custom body, too? ? Clearly must be CP, herp derp.

 

Srsly, the internet needs to stop trying to defame people with the age old CP argument.

[Reginald_001]

53 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

Then you are against none of them. To side with WJ against Patreon bugged paywalled modpacks means you took a stance against (real) mod stealing. Time is money, and when you paywall the time of others (the time you spent making the mod), you are stealing money from them. 

I remember one year ago there was a guy making $10k per month (according to Patreon "metrics") by selling a modpack with free mods inside it. None of the authors received a dime from that money. 

Recently I mentioned him again on GMAD, but then, later I checked on Patreon to see if he was still there, and could not find his profile anymore. Instead I found some modpack authors making $200 per month through donations, their packs were not even paywalled. This means WJ have worked against the paywalling stuff, it had a real effect on it. Add Vortex to it and the paywalling stuff will be gone. 

But since you said you are against both of them, tell me, what are you doing against them? Removing your mods from circulation will not have any effect.

Donations will never give too much money and are entirely optional. If people are giving more donations to modpackers than mod authors, it means there is some stigma towards mod authors, and I can say it is caused by the entitlement and arrogance that you, parlor modders, display everywhere. 

I called you out on your circular logic, which made no logical sense at all. As to the rest of your post, it makes no sense either--it is entirely internally inconsistent and contradictory--I'll just leave it there.

 

As a mod creator I don't have only a responsibility to myself, but also to the fanbase of the mods and the VA's attached to the projects I work on. I don't have the luxury for theoretical moral dillema's and take them as lightly as you apparently do. At least think about what you're saying before posting outrageous bs and throwing as much blame around as you seem to do.

 

What's your agenda? It's pretty simple from where I'm standing. I'm a mod creator with a lot of downloads and a few succesful mods. I see people taking my work without asking me and making money, those people can go suck my cock and fucking like it, because they are thieves. I also see people that have a hosting platform, suddenly claim that whatever I upload to them, I will lose intellectual control of. That is not morally defendable in a civilized world.

[Guest]

 

8 minutes ago, Reginald_001 said:

I also see people that have a hosting platform, suddenly claim that whatever I upload to them, I will lose intellectual control of. That is not morally defendable in a civilized world.

 

It is, after your kind caused the removal of other mods on said platform, mods which could have flourished and give new content.

Karma might be real, after all. 

 

[RitualClarity]

3 hours ago, Myst42 said:

Since you summoned me...

Sorry but I havent been able to keep up with the entire discussion everywhere... Though the opinions I've seen posted here, seem to reflect the general sentiment pretty much everywhere.

 

Well Ritual... you're one of the old ones, so you know where we come from.

I do have my mods scattered upon several sites, so thankfully, Nexus isn't the only thing I have.

I've mostly moved my center of operations to Patreon, and obviously I still post here. Though LL may be a bit scary to some people, because of it's porn reputation, but anyone who's been here long enough, knows this site has a lot more to offer than just porn.

 

And you're right... Even back in the day, they tried to pull off corporate bullshit, and thankfully they failed. Doesnt seem like it's gonna happen this time though.

I've never in the past hidden the fact that I considered some of the Nexus rules annoying, and downright tyrannical. But at least they kept things in check.

IE, you were not allowed to post another author's content on their site without the other author's consent, and if you posted there, you could rest assured that the site would protect your authorship and your files.

But ever since this new pile of shit hit the fan, we've come to see that the hypocrisy these people can achieve has no limits. Apparently it's not "content stealing" if they're the ones doing it. Rules for thee not for me.

 

I realize it's also somewhat silly to worry about what happens to files on the internet once they're free. It's not like when a modder deleted their mods in the past, someone else hasn't posted their content someplace else.

But alas, those kinds of moves are not backed up by a legal system, they are rarely done for profit (and if they are, they tend to piss a lot of people off resulting in the ostracizing of certain elements by the general community), and finally, those moves are certainly not done in a corporate way that legally claims to have more rights over the assets than the author.

 

Nexus has been a coporation for a good time, and there's a lot of shitty that came with it.

But there was also some good, meaning the part that you, as an author, were able to trust that you had a legal support basis to post your stuff, that you had control over your content there. That control was something that was a universal author's right. It felt safe and caring.

Now, that trust has been irreparably broken, since the one biggest thing Nexus had, which was being a safety network for creators, is gone.

Authors have officially lost control of their posted content in there. Which, as a result, makes Nexus no better than any other pirate site where anyone can post your stuff and claim it as their own.

 

As for my own personal case... I used to have some very popular mods for Oblivion there.

The results of that were a somewhat nice revenue in "donation points" It's certainly not much, but it's something extra to buy something nice.

I think if I remove my files, I will lose that something extra. And maybe some may read this and think I'm being another greedy asshole. But I dont think liking money is a bad thing. Even if they dont say it, almost everybody likes money. Most of the stuff I mod is still free anyway, the only thing donations changed is that it was nice to get something back in return for doing something I like. There is always a line between naturally liking profits and being a greedy asshole, I dont feel like I've ever crossed it, but Nexus has, and it has gone way over it.

So in terms of publicity and revenue, I do have something to loose however small it may be, which is the one reason I havent just said "LOL fuck outta here!" already.

 

On any case, I have begun the process of backing up my files and storing them someplace else. If I do take the jump, I'll be ready.

 

EDIT: And now I almost spit my drink while reading that apparently, even the file removal will be handled at "site's discretion". Maybe it's already too late.

It has truly been a minute. That is true.

Much of what you write is measured and thoughtful so don't let anyone say otherwise.  I am aware that being as long as you have been in mods and such that you might be harmed by removing the files from Nexus. From what I understand it is "non-exclusive" and from what I can tell, not public .. You have more experience with their protection of author's assets than I have (on the personal front) so you would have more insight into how far they will go to protect those files that are hidden away and used for their mod download tools.

 

In your case, some of the very old Oblivion mods that are complete and not much changing might be beneficial if you are receiving something from the site for them being there present and public. I'd say to the authors that are upset with the new process consider that aspect every bit as much as other.  I hadn't though about the removal and return and the system that Nexus has setup and how that might harm an author more than help. That is something good to think of. It is good that you bring that up as well.

 

AS for you getting something for you work.. contributions and points and such that Nexus offers.. I have never had a problem with that.  (I did have a problem with paywalls for mods and such to start with but now don't care and understand why that might be the case ) If someone complains about that .. tell them to go fly a kite. .. come back when they grow up and actually have some skin in the game.   (mods, tools and or other works for games)  One has to grow up and realize things change. Nexus changing is just another aspect of this. 

 

I believe the file removal handled at Sites direction possibly so that they can monitor the changes and possibly even discuss this with the mod authors before their assets have been removed. To be clear, I don't have a problem with Nexus having a process for removal of assets since mods are so interlocked and dependent on each other.  In many recent cases it is hinted at "rage quit" for some mod authors.. Having a discussion and a reasonable amount of time to process the removal from all the system is a reasonable consideration. This can also give some time for others to make changes and or adjustments to the missing work. All while respecting the rights of the author.  After all even a DMCA take down can take some time for the process to occur and that is a serious legal act.

 

Anyway, nice to chat with someone that has been around for awhile here and elsewhere and wish you the very best in your future modding regardless of where and/or what you decide to do. Cheers.

[Tlam99]

7 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

flourished and give new content.

Just replace words, I like word games ?

 

"sell well"

"more cash"

 

 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, T-lam said:

Just replace words, I like word games ?

 

"sell well"

"more cash"

 

 

 

 

I'm not making any money from mods. I don't ask donations, and if mod list creators are receiving donations while using my mods, I don't care. I isolated myself from my userbase, so I brought this on myself. 

If you want to accuse me, you need to post proof. Otherwise you are just slandering, which is expected from spoiled, entitled divas. 

Your kind destroyed cathedral modding. Anyone who tried to lay out a foundation on the Nexus, had their work destroyed by parlor modders. 

Now you are getting the other end of the stick, coming from the same guys you once relied upon to take down other people's works. These mod authors put hundreds of hours into their trade, as you did with yours, and now the Nexus is taking down your ability to nuke your own work. 

 

And they are morally justified. 

[Reginald_001]

18 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

It is, after your kind caused the removal of other mods on said platform, mods which could have flourished and give new content.

Karma might be real, after all. 

 

What do you mean with 'my kind'.

Also, look up the definition of 'slander' and check the mirror.

[VeraDra]

2 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

Your logic is flawed. I'm against Wobbjack (which is NOT 'free' as they receive donations by STEALING other people's work WITHOUT ASKING). And I'm against other modpacks.

 

Let's rephrase: Modpacks are 99.9% THIEVES. NONE of them ASKED for PERMISSION to take the 2000 hours of WORK that I SOLELY MYSELF put into these mods. So you go take that circular logic and shove it where the light doesn't shine.

 

If anyone here is entitled, it's you.

WJ uses the Nexus (and others) API to download mods. It is not bundling and redistributing mods, ergo the claim it's stealing is flat out incorrect.

 

Y'all seem to assume that making and maintaining a mod list is braindead and doesn't require any work on the part of the maintainer past the release.

 

Really, most of the complaints I see about tools like WJ are either flat out incorrect or tainted by elitism.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Reginald_001 said:

What do you mean with 'my kind'.

Also, look up the definition of 'slander' and check the mirror.

 

 

"Your kind" means I'm not specifically saying it was you, or the other guy, so there is no slander here, not from my part. 

[Reginald_001]

4 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

WJ uses the Nexus (and others) API to download mods. It is not bundling and redistributing mods, ergo the claim it's stealing is flat out incorrect.

 

Y'all seem to assume that making and maintaining a mod list is braindead and doesn't require any work on the part of the maintainer past the release.

 

Really, most of the complaints I see about tools like WJ are either flat out incorrect or tainted by elitism.

So I had a very long and big discussion with the Wobbajack team about this. And I know exactly how they make their money through Patreon. I also tried talking very nicely with them for about 2 hours, before they started to become less than decent. In the end they flatout admitted to making money off the mods, not giving a crap about what I or other mod creators think, they admitted to getting mods from other sources besides Nexus as well and would not admit which sources they are, they admitted to EDITING the ESP's as THEY SEE FIT. Thereby altering and redistributing the work of other mod-authors.

 

Don't try to convince ME other wise, because I know this shit first hand alright?

 

(edit) I guess it's that time again for...

[Reginald_001]

Just now, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

"Your kind" means I'm not specifically saying it was you, or the other guy, so there is no slander here, not from my part. 

Then be precise in your words. We might even find common ground.

[Tlam99]

8 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

you want to accuse me,

Learn to look beyond your nose.

Nothing you said has been mentioned, it's your interpretion.

I played a word game, like drowing a stone into the water.

But you mentioned it

" now the Nexus is taking down your ability to nuke your own work"

what gives them the right to decide what I should do ?

 

This little stone had a bigger effect as I expected.

 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, T-lam said:

what gives them the right to decide what I should do ?

 

 

The same right they had to nuke other people's work because of a shrub, or a post, or a shack, or a texture. 

It is a hosting service. They can delete anything they want, that's why distribution should not be centralized. 

Mod authors migrating from the Nexus to other platforms will balance things a little. 

[Guest]

I would like to share my personal experience with a serie of facts, in case they could provide few extra datas for some people.

 

- I did my WJ experience. I loved it. Yes it works very well and yes curator help you and no there's no more chore for modders, at the contrary they invite to not bother the modders. So no I don't see why things should end up bad, "technically speaking", using a modlist. If you can get a load order work on your own computer, then you can also copy that stuff on another computer and it will work, really.

 

- I didn't know more than half of the mods of the list I installed, I didn't see the names, the authors etc. This is what happens when you click on a big button and then click Play when it has finished. While the instructions were extensively clear to describe how to set few options in few mods (so these were named), they never reported the complete list of the mods nor the authors.

 

- I didn't endorse any mod, I don't know what mods I just installed. On the other hand, of course I have a positive feeling vs the curator, thank you for doing all the work for me, it took me half day vs 2 weeks. I also surfed on the curator's Twitch, Youtube, Patreon, etc. you know, to see their activity and subscribe to what I was interested.

 

- My curator's Patreon earns very very little compared to other lists I've seen on the net. In a month, the curator earns more or less what I earn in about 1 year of DPs on Nexus with 20+ mods. Fun fact: one of these is on the list.

 

- I later decided to inspect the package, I found content of 2 modders who decided to remove these mods from the scene, + content which Bethesda wouldn't allow.

 

- A point which is unrelated to the aboves: attentive eyes can confirm that everytime you see a bunch of MAs debating about this subject, the MAs who are in favor to the lists usually are actually people having personal interest and involvement with them even if they don't tell you.