For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Pamatronic said:

So, essentially you are complaining about the fact that it is generally accepted to NOT just take other peoples assets and redistribute them in their own mods?

 

 

I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just agreeing entirely with the way the Nexus is handling this situation, and gave my reasoning for it. You can agree or disagree, it won't change my opinion.

If you don't like their new policies, you have 30 days to remove your content from there. I think they are being very reasonable with it. 

Feels bad when your arrogance and entitlement backfires on you, no? 

[DoneBye]

5 minutes ago, Kendo 2 said:

 

Dork0ne has bitten off more than he can chew with this and the game site 'because I said so' bullshit doesn't fly in the real world.  Stealing people's intellectual property and then banning them when they challenge you is BAD OPTICS.

 

And there is already precedent for modders owning their mods.  Steam and Bethesda.net ban people for uploading content that doesn't belong to them.  That implies there is indeed ownership by mod creators.  Can't have both ways with 'You own the mods only when we say you do'.

Exactly. And you know what has been happening to people that are openly calling this out for what it is? Formal warnings with unlimited restrictions on the accounts, and/or outright bans. Their excuse? yOu ArE hArRaSsInG uS. tHiS iS aGaInSt ThE tOs.

[27X]

Just now, VeraDra said:

Terms of Service:

 

 

[27X]

2 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

remove your content from there.

 

Except they are not removing content.

[DoneBye]

12 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

Clueless Stuff

You can write all the TOS you want. The LAW is above anything you write in your little TOS. In this particular case, it's a completely illegal takeover of IP by the site.

 

At any rate, you'll have to shill to someone else, because I'm not going to entertain you anymore.

 

Edit: 27X beat me to it. ?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

Except they are not removing content.

 

 

If they gave a choice to the mod authors, they should. Otherwise this opens legal ground against them. 

Now you can't just say they didn't delete because you found the link on google. The link might still be on google's cache. 

If I was any of the parlor modders, I would wait some days to see if Nexus really deleted the mods, and then take a collective legal action in case they didn't. 

[Pamatronic]

5 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just agreeing entirely with the way the Nexus is handling this situation, and gave my reasoning for it. You can agree or disagree, it won't change my opinion.

If you don't like their new policies, you have 30 days to remove your content from there. I think they are being very reasonable with it. 

Feels bad when your arrogance and entitlement backfires on you, no? 

I´ve never been active on Nexus, so I´m not affected by this whole matter anyway.

But I find it a bit concerning that the basic desire to retain control over your own work is labeled as "arrogance and Entitlement" so often.

Since you created it, of course you are entitled to say who gets to use it. And calling someone Arrogant for pointing this out just shows the blatant ignorance and lack of respect towards their work.

[DoneBye]

10 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

If they gave a choice to the mod authors, they should. Otherwise this opens legal ground against them. 

Now you can't just say they didn't delete because you found the link on google. The link might still be on google's cache. 

If I was any of the parlor modders, I would wait some days to see if Nexus really deleted the mods, and then take a collective legal action in case they didn't. 

Please understand that this is a hostile takeover of people's IP. This action alone already opens up legal grounds against them.

After the "grace" period, the requests will be processed at the discretion of the site, aka, if they decide not to delete someone's mods when requested, they're in effect stealing them from the modder.

No matter how you look at this, it isn't legal. The TOS is just a piece of fancy writing with no legal value.

What next? They write on the TOS that to publish your mods there, you need to hand over your first child along with the mod, and it's all peachy because ItS iN tHe ToS? Please...

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

I´ve never been active on Nexus, so I´m not affected by this whole matter anyway.

But I find it a bit concerning that the basic desire to retain control over your own work is labeled as "arrogance and Entitlement" so often.

Since you created it, of course you are entitled to say who gets to use it. And calling someone Arrogant for pointing this out just shows the blatant ignorance and lack of respect towards their work.

 

 

Respect? Do you want a cookie now? 

Tell that to the authors who had their mods deleted because they used a shrub made by a parlor modder. Mods which took hundreds of hours of their time to be made. 

And yes, I know what a dependency is, and I know a esm with thousands of references can't have a esp with a few references as a master. We all know the trade here. 

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, DoneBye said:

Must I really post the trash that they wrote here? Fine. As you can see, it's related to the changes happening.

What they're is doing is illegal, afaik, in US, in UK and the whole EU. I expect to see more of these bans in the future (if the authors don't just leave). Evanpox had been gone for a while. I guess he got the mail being sent to authors and shot through the roof.

This is why you don't go through "their" channels. They are just going to use it against people. You either go to the DMCA website or file one through google. It's like asking the person that just robbed you for your money back, are they going to give some of it back? Maybe but there is nothing stopping them from robbing you again.

[Pamatronic]

4 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

Respect? Do you want a cookie now? 

Well, Respect for others and their works is a cornerstone of the modding community,

so yes, I want that cookie.

[Kendo 2]

36 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

Here you go, the form to file a DMCA reqest directly with Nexus Mods. A link to this can also be found by going to the bottom of the Nexus Mods website, and clicking "DMCA" under "Support"

 

That goes to the IPS agent.  Has nothing to do with Nerxus.

 

36 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

17 U.S,C § 512(f) - Misrepresentations contradicts that. Just because it is rife on youtube does not make it legal to knowingly falsely send a DMCA notice.

 

And just because Dork0ne says he own mods he didn't create doesn't mean he does, or that he has legal claim to people's intellectual property just because they made the mistake of uploading to his shit-stain site.  And Neruxs bans people for mod theft. but I guess that rule doesn't apply to him.

 

As far as lying and falsifying documents go, if those are crimes then Dork0ne is going to get lethal injection.  He's a career fucking criminal.

 

Finally, a site TOS is not a legally binding contract or a license.  If it was, Dork0ne couldn't change the site rules without a 90 day notice of intent and the licensees having 3rd party arbitration to appeal the rule amendments.  None of that happened so fuck Dork0ne and his stupid goddamned roolz.

[DoneBye]

9 minutes ago, Nameless God said:

This is why you don't go through "their" channels. They are just going to use it against people. You either go to the DMCA website or file one through google. It's like asking the person that just robbed you for your money back, are they going to give some of it back? Maybe but there is nothing stopping them from robbing you again.

Anyone from the US, please correct me if I'm wrong (I'm from the EU).

 

Afaik, unlike in the EU, where your name is kept private, DMCA says explicitly who made it. This being true, they would have banned him no matter what, because they knew it was him through the DMCA.

[RitualClarity]

On 7/1/2021 at 8:24 PM, Myst42 said:

JFC I was eating when this whole load of crap fell into my plate.

 

Can we discuss it here?

 

I mean, I actually took the time (yeah, Imagine that) to read through that whole pile of bullshit

 

I couldn't care less about "collections". For all I care, I like it when pple uses my stuff... not that I'm a very popular modder anyway. But if someone wanted to include my stuff on a list, fine, knock yourself out.

 

The problem is when all of this quickly started to degenerate from harmless modlists to "All your mods are belong to us now"

And I like it how the entire fucking post is all just one big "fuck you" to anyone who disagrees. It's "LOL We hear your concerns, but we just give no fucks about it lmao"

Entire pages of that.

 

I have to be honest here... I'm not sure if I'm gonna remove all my stuff before the "grace period" Since I actually like the benefits that site offers, I can't be a hypocrite about that.

But I'm feeling really tempted to do so, simply because this is probably the greatest run-over I've seen in recent modding history, and possible in modding history in general. Never have I seen such blatant middle finger to the modders in order for a site to push their own goals just for the sake of getting away with their whim.

Any contradicting opinions are just simply discarded like the most absolute trash

 

I didn't even want to post this opinion there, and I do it here instead, simply because LL has been a much better site in the past. I'm also pretty sure If I dare to post my opinion there I will just get ignored and discarded like the trash they consider us modders to be. I also can't write swear words there and I needed to say it with feeling.

 

Anyway. Fuck this.

 

I don't envy someone like you who is a mod author and uses Nexus to distribute their mods. I truly don't.  I wish they had the same approach they had when they first started years ago when it was a happy place for many to go. Now, many complain about their treatment. The FEAR that they have to post something that is reasonable and necessary in such cases as the current events is an indication that perhaps this isn't the Nexus that one loved in the past.

 

I know many authors that use various sites. I have heard that some really like the system they have there for their mods. The exposure of their mods to the community. Let's face it.. when many upload their mods to the world after many, many hours of work, sometimes weeks and even months of effort. They want people to be able to get their mods and enjoy all that effort they put into it. Exposure is a very important part for many mod authors. However, This isn't the first and only "EVENT" that Nexus has had in the recent times which has been counter to many of their primary supporters and mod authors. Hell, not even the 5th. they have over the past 5~8 years moved in this direction. A direction where the author has less and less respect of their rights and works. This has been a constant erosion of respect. I doubt this will change. I expect, this will just be the tip of the iceberg of what is still yet to come.  Remember, these are the same people that jumped in bed with Bethesda/Steam when they tried to roll out paid modding. I suspect this is just a start and likely due to something that might be coming down the pike for Bethesda, their mod manager and tools and the like.

 

So TL;DR. I'd use the window and remove my mods before it closes. Post it some other site. Keep it there for awhile. Then, if you wish at a later time, when you decide you want to be part of this new ecosystem and willing to accept newer restrictions on your content.  Move back to Nexus. That is always an option. I see nothing anywhere where they state if you remove these mods you will never be able to upload those or any new mods to their site. (That would be seriously stupid on their part)

[RitualClarity]

20 minutes ago, DoneBye said:

Anyone from the US, please correct me if I'm wrong (I'm from the EU).

 

Afaik, unlike in the EU, where your name is kept private, DMCA says explicitly who made it. This being true, they would have banned him no matter what, because they knew it was him through the DMCA.

I don't know of the situation you are referring to.. however, if I am using a DMCA on some site like Nexus.. I don't care if they know who I am. Also I don't care if they ban me because likely I won't use their site .. but in the even that I would want to or need to.. there are ways around their bans. It happens all the time.

 

If for some reason I don't want to be personally connected to my work then I'd have to come to terms that my work was stolen and move on.  (like my work / life /situation doesn't fit well with the content or even the act of creating mods. for example)

 

Now is  a good time to cover copyrite. If you are in a situation where you don't want to expose your personal info, you shouldn't be on Youtube, or other places creating content that you might be called upon to protect.  In this situation (like mine) go into it with the understanding that you wont and that you accept what happens with your content.  For example all my content here on LL. Every guide and every piece of info I have put up here or other sites (including Nexus) is free. Someone steels it.. if the site doesn't protect it .. then it is gone for me.

[VeraDra]

Speaking of "alternative sites", which one's really exist?

Preemtively excluding modder specific sites (eg, sites ran by an individual modder, for their mods), and discord servers (good fucking luck convincing people to use Discord when looking for more than a handful of mods), along with patreon (same reason as Discord and modder specific sites).

ModDB clearly isn't one when it comes to the "mass exodus", and I'm not sure of any others that exist.

[RitualClarity]

6 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

Speaking of "alternative sites", which one's really exist?

Preemtively excluding modder specific sites (eg, sites ran by an individual modder, for their mods), and discord servers (good fucking luck convincing people to use Discord when looking for more than a handful of mods), along with patreon (same reason as Discord and modder specific sites).

ModDB clearly isn't one when it comes to the "mass exodus", and I'm not sure of any others that exist.

You have this site... lol

Also NSFWmods.com which has been around for a bit.. Small site. Not as much exposure but IMO a decent community.  Doesn't ave the extreme content that LL is known for. Some nude models and such. The owner of that site is going to put a main stream site up with several servers for more of a Nexus type competition.

Then you have a mountain of alternate sites if you are willing to go to Russia or Asia sites (and run translation programs on your browser) they sometimes have mods that have disappeared (stolen) from the US West Eroupe mods groups.

 

Bottom line there are many, many sites to go to if one isn't treating you the way you need to be treated. That isn't respecting your work (mod authors) that is wanted.

 

Perhaps, @VeraDra now would be a good time to create a thread here where alternate locations for Nexus can be found. I'd suggest personal reviews of the sites and their rules. (LL included)  LL is a needed community. I know no other site that will contain the mods that this site   Need to leave Nexus.. no problems. If this site went down... it would be very hard to find homes for many of these mods due to the nature of the content This is more of a concern.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, VeraDra said:

Speaking of "alternative sites", which one's really exist?

Preemtively excluding modder specific sites (eg, sites ran by an individual modder, for their mods), and discord servers (good fucking luck convincing people to use Discord when looking for more than a handful of mods), along with patreon (same reason as Discord and modder specific sites).

ModDB clearly isn't one when it comes to the "mass exodus", and I'm not sure of any others that exist.

 

 

ModDB don't delete your mods, they only archive it. I'm also not sure if they delete the old files when you update them. I read they keep the files accessible to APIs. 

Skyforge belongs to Curseforge, so it probably store the files for API use. Deleted mods are still shown on your list. 

I recommended LL and Schaken in the Nexus, but they don't want to come to LL due to the porn, and don't want to go to Schaken because of the CP accusations against that site. 

Then there is AFK mods, which I thought was a private site from the USSEP team, but apparently, anyone can upload mods there. 

And there is also TESA, where you need to ask the admin to delete the mods, since it is a small site. 

 

And yes, this have something to do with Bethesda. Todd said mods are currently not very accessible to most people, and he wants to make it more accessible. Only 8% of the playerbase uses mods. 

So modpacks might be in the works there, for the next TES title. I'm not interested, though, because I'm allergic to the yellow-purple low contrast filter the new games are using. That's one of the reasons why I'm modding Skyrim. 

[DoneBye]

39 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

I don't know of the situation you are referring to.. however, if I am using a DMCA on some site like Nexus.. I don't care if they know who I am. Also I don't care if they ban me because likely I won't use their site .. but in the even that I would want to or need to.. there are ways around their bans. It happens all the time.

 

If for some reason I don't want to be personally connected to my work then I'd have to come to terms that my work was stolen and move on.  (like my work / life /situation doesn't fit well with the content or even the act of creating mods. for example)

 

Now is  a good time to cover copyrite. If you are in a situation where you don't want to expose your personal info, you shouldn't be on Youtube, or other places creating content that you might be called upon to protect.  In this situation (like mine) go into it with the understanding that you wont and that you accept what happens with your content.  For example all my content here on LL. Every guide and every piece of info I have put up here or other sites (including Nexus) is free. Someone steels it.. if the site doesn't protect it .. then it is gone for me.

This is about what I posted earlier. Evanpox was banned for filling a DMCA against them.

[MonVert]

1 hour ago, Pamatronic said:

Well, Respect for others and their works is a cornerstone of the modding community,

so yes, I want that cookie.

 

Respect, huh? ? Reading nexus comments, and reddit, makes me think otherwise; sometimes...

 

 

[RitualClarity]

47 minutes ago, DoneBye said:

This is about what I posted earlier. Evanpox was banned for filling a DMCA against them.

I am pretty sure that can be considered retaliation and would be quite a problem to Nexus if Evanpox took it to court and stood up for his/her/their rights.  Of course all this depends on which country is the origin of this individual, the laws of that country if not native of England.  It is worth checking into.  however, sadly might cost some money to get someone to actually do the work (lawyers) as I am sure Nexus has sufficient # of them and likely with what they are doing now, picked up some more.

 

this if proven might also be grounds for a class action lawsuit. Much like what happened to Bethesda. This, should be easier to get going provided it can be show as a trend and something that is pretty straight forward. ( I have been part of several Class Action Lawsuits in my personal life.  Got paid for one just recently, waiting for the other to finish the appeals. Sadly, though not a big pay off considering what was involved.. but at least the offenders were taken to task.

[Zor2k13]

I don't think there will be any mass exodus I think people will just eventually stop playing the games that nexus mods holds mods for. How many people actually play fallout 4 these days? or skyrim? I bet the number is not some gigantic number. Some of the games covered on nexus have only a few mods and next to no users in those game sections, if it wasn't for bethesda games nexus would have only a small number of users probably would have never reached the level it is at right now. Further delays to starfield or cancellation would be a death sentence for nexus. We know now that redfall was not the next elder scrolls game but instead a steaming pile of marxist propaganda with all the woke check boxes marked off and an evil get whitey vampire thing to shoot at. Failure of these two games to release or do well puts all the pressure on the next elder scrolls game and it is too far away from release to help nexus with their numbers.

[VeraDra]

1 hour ago, Zor2k13 said:

I don't think there will be any mass exodus I think people will just eventually stop playing the games that nexus mods holds mods for. How many people actually play fallout 4 these days? or skyrim? I bet the number is not some gigantic number. Some of the games covered on nexus have only a few mods and next to no users in those game sections, if it wasn't for bethesda games nexus would have only a small number of users probably would have never reached the level it is at right now. Further delays to starfield or cancellation would be a death sentence for nexus. We know now that redfall was not the next elder scrolls game but instead a steaming pile of marxist propaganda with all the woke check boxes marked off and an evil get whitey vampire thing to shoot at. Failure of these two games to release or do well puts all the pressure on the next elder scrolls game and it is too far away from release to help nexus with their numbers.

SkyrimSE is currently at about 20k players, and Fallout4 is at about 14.5k

LE generally pulls less impressive numbers (3.5kish).

 

the SE and F04 numbers may not seem impressive, but they're far from being "nearly dead" games. Eventually people will stop playing, but that's likely to be several years down the line. Even Oblivion pulls over 1k.

 

As for the Nexus stats, they seem to be doing fine. (NOTE: May have to disable/change CORS settings for it to work). do note, when you loom in too much, you may see that July is a massive downturn, this is largely because the statistics only seem to be updated once every 7 days, the data is not really there until the 5th of July.

 

Nexus definitely has a large focus on Bethesda games, then again, so does LoversLab. It would be fair to say, that without Bethesda, LL would not exist in it's current form.

[Reginald_001]

5 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

I´ve never been active on Nexus, so I´m not affected by this whole matter anyway.

But I find it a bit concerning that the basic desire to retain control over your own work is labeled as "arrogance and Entitlement" so often.

Since you created it, of course you are entitled to say who gets to use it. And calling someone Arrogant for pointing this out just shows the blatant ignorance and lack of respect towards their work.

It's the reason why modders like me are contemplating not ever sharing nice things anymore with the world.

Perhaps we'll make these things for ourselves and just share them with friends and a few trusted people.

 

I LITERALLY have a new companion mod that includes 2 laser eyes combat cats that can teleport ready for release. But I'm NOT releasing it over all of this.

[Reginald_001]

3 hours ago, Zor2k13 said:

I don't think there will be any mass exodus I think people will just eventually stop playing the games that nexus mods holds mods for. How many people actually play fallout 4 these days? or skyrim? I bet the number is not some gigantic number. Some of the games covered on nexus have only a few mods and next to no users in those game sections, if it wasn't for bethesda games nexus would have only a small number of users probably would have never reached the level it is at right now. Further delays to starfield or cancellation would be a death sentence for nexus. We know now that redfall was not the next elder scrolls game but instead a steaming pile of marxist propaganda with all the woke check boxes marked off and an evil get whitey vampire thing to shoot at. Failure of these two games to release or do well puts all the pressure on the next elder scrolls game and it is too far away from release to help nexus with their numbers.

You are (a bit) wrong on the numbers. Fallout 4 and Skyrim are still very popular on Steam, even moreso than say CyberPunk:

 

Fallout 4 player base Steam:

 

- GTA V has over 10 times as many daily players as Cyberpunk 2077
- Witcher 3 has over twice as many
- Fallout 4 and Skyrim SE have about twice as many
- Fallout 76 has 1.5 times as many

https://store.steampowered.com/stats/