FauxFurry Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: What doesn't get mentioned in talk about US firearm crime is why countries with high firearm ownership do not have anywhere near the level of firearm related crime, especially the mass-shooting type. Perhaps the question is not "should firearms be banned" but "why do we as a society produced so many fucked up people". MASA - Make America Sane Again. Countries with large numbers of people who have different orthodox religious beliefs have a higher percentage of murders than the USA even without any right to bear arms. Mass killings of Christians occur on a regular basis in Northern Nigeria. The Middle East is still a war zone. Israel only avoids degenerating further than it has thanks to imported defenses and a border wall. The issue seems to be the presence of large numbers of people in one area who do not share a sense of a common good or even cultural touchstones. These are what can be called Low Trust Societies. America is gradually becoming one thanks to hyper individualization and polarization made worse by their media consumption, not just in the content but the delivery methods. 2
FauxFurry Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Nonsequitur said: There has been 22 mass shootings in the USA since Uvalde ( a week ago). Only about 2 or 3 have made it to Lame Stream Media. ... checked the data again and found it's now 24 mass shootings - 2 more in the last 24 hours. Most are either gang related or took place in the regions referred to as The Inner City. That is a no-go zone for national news coverage.
Guest Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Psalam said: This is Rule 9 in toto: In an effort to keep the site & community inviting and friendly we do not allow several categories of conversation. This is not intended as censorship or endorsement of any particular view, but rather a move to keep this site neutral and open. The categories of conversation that are not welcome include those discussing politics and religion. Too often these discussions descend into pointless bickering and lead to offending one party or the other (if not both). This sends the wrong message of what this site is all about. There are plenty of forums, blogs and other online outlets available for these types of conversations, this site is not one of them. Please note that in the middle it explicitly says: The categories of conversation that are not welcome include those discussing politics and religion. I'm aware of the rules. i just wanted to prove a point. This is not about being prophetic. It's about the obvious direction the conversation would've gone had I responded to someone's comment differently. And for all we know it would've continued to go down that road. It wouldn't have been the first time. And it certainly won't be the last. Edited June 3, 2022 by 3G4
steelpanther24 Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, 3G4 said: I'm aware of the rules. i just wanted to prove a point. This is not about being prophetic. It's about the obvious direction the conversation would've gone had I responded to someone's comment differently. And for all we know it would've continued to go down that road. It wouldn't have been the first time. And it certainly won't be the last. Which is, in a way, a nice comment about most the people who post here. We practice some degree of self censorship and generally avoid troll bait. Can't happen on a larger scale, but LL is still small enough for that approach to work....most of the time. 2
steelpanther24 Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 16 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said: It's funny you mention Russia because it made me realize how much that story died down over the past months. They're still at it, death and destruction is rampant but i don't see it making headlines consistently anymore. I find this a bit amusing. Amusing because we are always looking for that "new" thing or for some other reason? Being as naive as I am, I am still waiting for justice to be applied to those people who came up with MBS (mortgage backed securities) and those who called for the relaxation/reduction of minimal reserve capital requirements.
Grey Cloud Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Nonsequitur said: Only about 2 or 3 have made it to Lame Stream Media. And what difference would it make to your inaction if they reported every incident?
Grey Cloud Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 There's politics and there's politics. For example most people mean party politics whereas for some of us politics is part of philosophy and comes between metaphysics and ethics (all, many, one). Similarly with religion. Most people view religion as a community thing whereas it was originally a personal thing - the word itself means re-bind or re-unite (lig as in ligature).
Grey Cloud Posted June 3, 2022 Posted June 3, 2022 People can be so cruel. "Victoria's Secret has released a new bra and it's called "Manchester United". Lot's of support but no cup." ☹️ 1
Kendo 2 Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 21 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said: aIt's funny you mention Russia because it made me realize how much that story died down over the past months. I called that and someone on the staff (you know who you are) deleted my post. FACTS < narrative. They locked the thread, left all the political 'muh-Russia' BS and outright lies and deleted my post that was 100% factual and verifiable by a 2 minute internet search. That's what happens when 'because I said so' becomes a rule. EDIT: In few minutes the staff will be alerted that 'Kendo2 posted!' Thread locked.
landess Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 While the meme is funny in it's own right - I want Will Smith to smack Mel Gibson and see what happens . . . . Spoiler 1
Idyll Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 On 5/16/2022 at 11:59 AM, Kashked said: Kids are the ultimate cock-blocks. Daytime sex is a couple-of-times-per-year event. Last night we heard the pitter-patter of small feet just as we were trying to find our underwear. Closest we've ever gotten to the ultimate "scarred for life"-event. Luckily it wasn't 3 minutes earlier, we wouldn't have noticed. Even luckier we were doing it vanilla. Imagine walking in on your parents during a bondage-session... I'd be paying for the therapy well into my own retirement. ? Thought of the day: I need to get a bedroom door with a lock. Like, seriously. Oof. I don't have children but Master's Sister who's a teenager, barely a handful of years apart from me, She visits often and takes the room across mine and She seems... Curious, to say the least. She's aware of how it works between Master & I and She wasn't ever really dumbfounded or anything even at first but I don't think her curiosity to be good, maybe it's just my selfish fear that she'd turn out messed up like I... Promiscuous and devoted as I am, I dutifully abide by my training and I always notice my room's door being ajar after climaxing a few times through my exercises and it can't be Master opening it as Master has no peeping habits and if Master wanted to watch then Master would without being hindered by a door. I might need a lock aswell, but I feel it'd be pointless since it'd have to be one un/lockable from outside only - it'd be preposterous for a slave as lowly as I to have even just the right or ability to block Master's way. Maybe a key only one, with no rotative piece or whatever that can be grabbed from outside the mechanism... On 5/18/2022 at 11:10 AM, Evaloves4 said: > Hmmm .... where are those every-day-active-posters? Not KIA yet but almost haha, rough week with a well deserved punishment followed by last week where Master went all out using me and turning my brain into a gooey sludge of semen and fuzzy feelings~ Went cumatose for a few days haha, still resting for the most part. On 5/18/2022 at 1:18 PM, Fiend71 said: Should I? I feel a bit lame for always just posting memes...lol This is a fun thread though. Naaay~ Having a sense of humor doesn't make you tacky, don't worry! ? On 5/18/2022 at 3:21 PM, Fiend71 said: I consume FAR too much coffee, alcohol, and nicotine myself too, so am by no means any sort of nutritionist or health fanatic...lol Haha, that diet's actually pretty healthy you know? In a way... ...You stay alive regardless of what your sustenance is! On 5/19/2022 at 5:55 AM, Fiend71 said: Reveal hidden contents On 5/19/2022 at 6:13 AM, Alessia Wellington said: @Fiend71, not a fan of mornings myself. They always mean it's time to go back into my coffin. Damn bedtime. On 5/19/2022 at 6:19 AM, Fiend71 said: I wake up each morning, and say "Ah FUCK!", as it means another day...like - still here...sigh. I guess claustrophobia isn't a factor for you then, huh? On 5/19/2022 at 6:26 AM, Alessia Wellington said: Never has been. I like confined spaces. They add an extra of privacy. On 5/19/2022 at 6:40 AM, Fiend71 said: I'm thinking I'd at least need the lid open....haha I'm not a morning person either, hell I can only really live at night thanks to being albino. But sometimes I like to throw the finger for no reason at my unsuspecting grumpy neighbours from the window of my room, when I wake too early, since I've no one else to launch it at in this sense of the words haha. Coffins are comfy by the way~! Not great for people afraid of closed spaces I admit but it's pretty great to sleep in the day since it completely blocks off the light that would otherwise flood the bedroom regardless of curtains, 's what I use as a bed for myself when I don't sleep in Master's bed together with Master. Rather than privacy, being in confined spaces make me feel secure, very much akin to why I wear my collars/chokers and armswear tight. There's three triple locks outside and Master has the only key for them and it somehow makes me feel unspeakably safe and at ease to be at the mercy of another, especially Master. I myself don't quite understand it... On 5/19/2022 at 7:18 AM, Alessia Wellington said: Whenever I see that many Minions, Reveal hidden contents I have to think of this: But, I mean, aren't they the franchise...? On 5/19/2022 at 7:43 AM, Fiend71 said: @Alessia Wellington I'm still thinking about this coffin sleeping... A couple things get me. I tend to roll over a few times throughout the night, so are double-wide ones a thing? Air flow. Doesn't it get a bit stale in there? If I ever farted... ventilation system? Inquiring minds...lol Yeah, it's not uncommon at all but they cost limbs, mostly for extremely morbidly overweight people nowadays - and I don't mean to be mean to any who identifies as such - but couples that die together may want to be buried together so this'd be an option. I'm rather small so I fit mine like a baby's hand in @Z0mBieP00Nani's gloves and can even roll a bit but I quite fancy being stuck and unable to move too well so it's still a good balance I find~ Certainly it may be troublesome on that front but... Everybody knows good girls don't wallop! But I'd say there's a bit of a system on mine, with a small vent and fan in place for good measure. It can be shut from outside by Master as it works with a key as well, in case Master wishes to control my breathing. On 5/19/2022 at 7:58 AM, Fiend71 said: Ahh yes, money talks... Look at that ornate thing!!! O_o Pretty cool. DIY ventilation - check. Thanks. Personally I like the classic designs like ones with the angles or the rectangular ones, the one in my bedroom is an hexagonal one (it was the heftiest) and the two I have for my Hearse are normal boxy ones, one's to act as a bed to have at the back and I turned the other into an audio setup, great to plug a guitar or bass and let my mortitude loose~! I mean, DIY can be advanced like on the one in my bedroom but it's really up to the skills of the casket's owner. Drilling holes may leave one gasping for air even if air does pass through so I'd only advise those in great quantities, might as well call it swiss cheese. On 5/19/2022 at 3:55 PM, steelpanther24 said: Still funny (and would be an awesome function) Hide contents -"So Facebook knows you'll never be that happy again?" ? -"That's right!" ? Hahaha~! Really though, somehow I'm glad I don't use Facebook anymore... Some people struggle since they can't help but always worry over stuff like this, I can easily see how some would ruin their lives to make their "happin-o-meter" show them as happy and never failing. It's like having a clock at the front of the classroom, at a school, everyone staring in that direction - the students - inevitably let their eyes wander there and be distracted by the anticipation of the bell. Nothing good can come from this, other than a good laugh at others spiralling towards being miserable and feeling better about one's own mistakes. On 5/20/2022 at 6:55 AM, Fiend71 said: Blame the government, of course. Because of course they're the cause! And even if they didn't spread it themselves they don't fix things fast enough! Uncle Sam, hold me back for I cannot hold back from diddling every plague ridden holes I (may or may not) see! On 5/21/2022 at 7:33 PM, Grey Cloud said: I love this lady, she's as sharp as a tack and gives excellent explanations of various subjects. From what I understand she is a former actress currently doing a Ph.D in Classics and the jolly hockey-sticks thing is just a persona she uses for the vids. This one is about the Trojan War and is a good overview of a topic which is one of my main interests. The Trojan War Was Real?! | Debunking TikTok Ancient History Hot Takes Interesting, thank you for sharing this indeed interesting and very informative lady's content! I had somehow forgotten about her channel so I'm very glad. On 5/22/2022 at 7:15 AM, Fiend71 said: Hide contents Haha~ This artstyle tells me something... Calvin & Hobbes...? On 5/22/2022 at 12:38 PM, Fiend71 said: Great animations though. Like fantastic. Yeah, but that's like a prettied up cadavre, it looks nice and alive but it's not really just asleep. Animations alone won't make the game great, especially when buried under all that heavyweight greed. On 5/22/2022 at 10:13 PM, Evaloves4 said: > The beginning of the new weak starts with many obligations, problems of every kind at work, expecting unexpected (I so fucking hate this saying), any yet, I love my job and coming to the work every day, especially Monday. Haha, personally my workplace is wherever Master wills me to be and Master is good to me so I willfully strain myself with joy to please Master even if the odds are against me for my everything is Master's~ On 5/29/2022 at 2:18 PM, Fiend71 said: Hide contents I swear, if a demon enters my body I'd either moan to hell and back or turn them into a succubus~ On 5/30/2022 at 7:05 PM, steelpanther24 said: So Yuri volved? Yeah, Yuri vulva-ed. I know. Random. On 5/31/2022 at 4:43 AM, Fiend71 said: I want this mug... Reveal hidden contents And now... So do I. I'd probably give it a more sultry twist but I like the format haha. Also, I'm sure there must be some trusty website where custom mugs can be ordered... I don't know any, though. On 6/1/2022 at 4:00 PM, Fiend71 said: Hide contents This is so me haha~ Except when it's Master, then I crawl out of my own personal little dungeon... On 6/1/2022 at 12:02 AM, landess said: The concept of porch pirates is somewhat unique and angrily irritating as well. Time to enjoy some payback. Hahaha~! ? Just look at how the dastardly bastard flew, yikes, that went hard! ? I'd probably have hit the tree or flown across the street if it were me, dude's got weighed boots or a genuinely heavy ass! ? On 6/1/2022 at 9:34 PM, 3G4 said: Would be nice to see a non woke studio hire Depp to make a pirate movie and rub it in Disney's face. Yeah, I'm sad about how Jack's adventures were cut short because of bullshit, it's still a wonder to me how the majority of people don't acknowledge the signs when it's a male exhibiting them as opposed to every resource being expended for a woman telling an unverified tale... 1 hour ago, landess said: While the meme is funny in it's own right - I want Will Smith to smack Mel Gibson and see what happens . . . . Reveal hidden contents ~Foreshadowing~ 2
TT. Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, landess said: While the meme is funny in it's own right - I want Will Smith to smack Mel Gibson and see what happens . . . . Reveal hidden contents hey, that wouldn't be so bad if we end up being like that. who doesn't want to be the Eagle of the Road or a living legend ? 1
Grey Cloud Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 4 hours ago, landess said: While the meme is funny in it's own right America 2022 - you can't walk your dog unless you're armed to the teeth. 1
Psalam Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 47 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: America 2022 - you can't walk your dog unless you're armed to the teeth. What are you talking about? America 2022 - you can't walk your dog because of the HOA (Home Owner's Association). 3
Fiend71 Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Idyll said: Naaay~ Having a sense of humor doesn't make you tacky, don't worry! ? ? 5 hours ago, Idyll said: Haha, that diet's actually pretty healthy you know? In a way... ...You stay alive regardless of what your sustenance is! No, no it is not at all...lol Ask any medical professional or nutritionist. ? Thanks for saying so though. 5 hours ago, Idyll said: Coffins are comfy by the way~! They do look to be... 5 hours ago, Idyll said: Everybody knows good girls don't wallop! I call BS! Humans burp, sneeze, and fart. It's what we do. If you eat and breathe, you also do that. Anyone that claims otherwise is lying. Holy crap - how many times did you quote me here?! LOL! 5 hours ago, Idyll said: Haha~ This artstyle tells me something... Calvin & Hobbes...? Indeed. 5 hours ago, Idyll said: I swear, if a demon enters my body I'd either moan to hell and back or turn them into a succubus~ And now... So do I. I'd probably give it a more sultry twist but I like the format haha. Also, I'm sure there must be some trusty website where custom mugs can be ordered... I don't know any, though. This is so me haha~ Except when it's Master, then I crawl out of my own personal little dungeon... See? Yes, funny or clever, but not my original thought. I like memes though...haha.
Grey Cloud Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Psalam said: you can't walk your dog because of the HOA (Home Owner's Association). It always amuses me to see dog owners picking up the dog shit - it takes 'the tail wagging the dog' to a new level. To say nothing of all those plastic bags that aren't going to get recycled. 1
Grey Cloud Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 16 hours ago, FauxFurry said: Countries with large numbers of people who have different orthodox religious beliefs have a higher percentage of murders than the USA even without any right to bear arms. Mass killings of Christians occur on a regular basis in Northern Nigeria. The Middle East is still a war zone. Israel only avoids degenerating further than it has thanks to imported defenses and a border wall. That is just semantics. By that logic Ukraine currently has the highest incidence of mass shootings and from my understanding none of those examples would fall under the US definition(s) of what constitutes a mass-shooting. All your examples feature the nice, peace loving Abrahamic religionists. The deaths of Nigerian Christians (3,000 in 2021) are not all caused by firearms.
Grey Cloud Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Idyll said: Having a sense of humor doesn't make you tacky No but it can help. ? 1
Nonsequitur Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 17 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: And what difference would it make to your inaction if they reported every incident Shooting the messenger? I'm a ~70-year-old man... I've fought and put up with this BS all my life - time for the younger to take over for me. It's sad that the Education system has been systematically crippling our ability for Critical Thinking. 2
Grey Cloud Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 31 minutes ago, Nonsequitur said: I'm a ~70-year-old man I'm 65. Inaction is one thing but whinging and whining about the situation is another and then there is blaming others on top of that. The Laws of God, The Laws of Man The laws of God, the laws of man, He may keep that will and can; Not I: let God and man decree Laws for themselves and not for me; And if my ways are not as theirs Let them mind their own affairs. Their deeds I judge and much condemn, Yet when did I make laws for them? Please yourselves, say I, and they Need only look the other way. But no, they will not; they must still Wrest their neighbour to their will, And make me dance as they desire With jail and gallows and hell-fire. And how am I to face the odds Of man’s bedevilment and God’s? I, a stranger and afraid In a world I never made. They will be master, right or wrong; Though both are foolish, both are strong. And since, my soul, we cannot fly To Saturn nor to Mercury, Keep we must, if keep we can, These foreign laws of God and man. A.E. Housman (1859-1936)
FauxFurry Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: That is just semantics. By that logic Ukraine currently has the highest incidence of mass shootings and from my understanding none of those examples would fall under the US definition(s) of what constitutes a mass-shooting. All your examples feature the nice, peace loving Abrahamic religionists. The deaths of Nigerian Christians (3,000 in 2021) are not all caused by firearms. Of course. The term Mass Shootings were always a rhetorical weapon unto itself. The fact that those deaths are primarily not caused by firearms is part of the point. When people in Low Trust Societies rankle due to the presence of members of that other group, they will take steps to alleviate their aggravation through any means necessary. The tools available merely affect the stats compiled after the fact.
Grey Cloud Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, FauxFurry said: Of course. The term Mass Shootings were always a rhetorical weapon unto itself. The fact that those deaths are primarily not caused by firearms is part of the point. When people in Low Trust Societies rankle due to the presence of members of that other group, they will take steps to alleviate their aggravation through any means necessary. The tools available merely affect the stats compiled after the fact. More semantics and verbiage. Mass shootings in the context of the USA are an entirely different kettle of fish to religious and ethnic violence at the level of groups or organisations. The term 'mass shooting' has a definite meaning to various US entities, e.g. the FBI. Granted the meaning varies from entity to entity but they are all based around similar acts. Gang related shootings and armed robberies gone wrong are bad enough and the US probably leads the world on those but children going into schools and killing other children is about as bad as it can get. There is absolutely no justification for allowing these acts to happen year on year on year. The Second Amendment is just that - an amendment so amend it again or do away with it. Breaking news: The USA is no longer a sparsely populated country with a relatively large geographical area whose neighbours are the three largest empires in the world.
FauxFurry Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 One of the best forms of evidence that a tool is not to blame for what the one wielding it does with it is Statistics themselves (which Benjamin Disraeli counted among the three kinds of lies). Stats are a useful shorthand when one wants a brief overview of recurring actions but when people use them to try to weave a complete narrative is when they become tools for deception. That is what makes databases that record raw information without playing to any individual factions more helpful to the general populace than abstracted stats compiled based upon whatever criteria is convenient at the moment. If data bases such as this one were more common knowledge, I have to wonder if it would still be as easy to manipulate their perceptions through mass media. https://gunmemorial.org 1
FauxFurry Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: More semantics and verbiage. Mass shootings in the context of the USA are an entirely different kettle of fish to religious and ethnic violence at the level of groups or organisations. The term 'mass shooting' has a definite meaning to various US entities, e.g. the FBI. Granted the meaning varies from entity to entity but they are all based around similar acts. Gang related shootings and armed robberies gone wrong are bad enough and the US probably leads the world on those but children going into schools and killing other children is about as bad as it can get. There is absolutely no justification for allowing these acts to happen year on year on year. The Second Amendment is just that - an amendment so amend it again or do away with it. Breaking news: The USA is no longer a sparsely populated country with a relatively large geographical area whose neighbours are the three largest empires in the world. There are no people who are well integrated into their society going around shooting people up, for one, so it is not dissimilar in substance to a shooting between sects or members of other nationalities. If those disaffected people would not use firearms, they would likely deploy bombs which kill large numbers of people at concert venues or use automobiles to run down dozens of people. There will be no simple solution that involves disempowering those who abide by the law for those who will find their means to kill regardless of what is legal. One can buy the ingredients to Mustard Gas at every Big Box store are well as the means to make improvised explosive devices. A mob of angry people without weapons can destroy large swathes of property and cause harm to life. The solutions are not going to be grand, sweeping changes but relatively boring cultural changes and interpersonal actions.
landess Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 Listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd : Gimme Back My Bullets reminded me guns are just melee weapons without bullets: A consumable product found stashed in Prepper bunkers . . . I'm no Michael Moore fan after he berated a tired, old Charlton Heston as the NRA chairman because of another shooting, yet Moore was able to get that local Walmart (IIRC) to stop stocking bullets.
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