Prison Alternative - A modular Prison System

[ttpt]

9 hours ago, LenaLachrymosa said:

Hi. I have another question about this mod.

It will work with Sexist/Derogatory Guards ?

 

Thanks in advance for replay.

 

Regards

Also... on Nexus is old and criminaly underappreciated mod called Suspicious City Guards https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65681 

I was wonder can you implemented to make work yours mod with Suspicious City Guards... That means if player doing something wrong in City ( public place ) can go to "yours" mod prison cell ( to add more flavout to yours mod 

 

Sexist guards has no incompatibility that I can think of, since it only adds dialogue to guards and doesn't really do anything else.

 

if Suspicious City Guards uses the vanilla records to arrest it should already be compatible. That looks like a good mod, so I'll give it a shot and see if it works

[judge007]

@Pamatronic

 

A voice pack for this mod.

 

It includes an eslified dummy plugin with your mod's plugin as master, to load the .bsa archive.

 

If you like it, and wish to include it, feel free

 

Enjoy!

PamaPrisonAlternative_V0.9SE_Voice.7z

Edited July 16, 2021 by judge007

[judge007]

On 5/23/2021 at 10:35 AM, Pamatronic said:

I can´t talk for the entirety of the faction, but as a member, I can at least try to Elaborate.

 

POP:

I did of course try it at some point, (2 months ago) and it was an absolute mess. I want to make clear that i tried it on an almost Vanilla game. (only the obligatory stuff /Alternate Start/CBBE/SkyUI/....)

-First I got Stuck in the middle of the Road while being escorted by bounty Hunters. Reload....

-Then The whipping scene Inside the Prison just got Stuck. my character was nowhere near the actual Furniture. Reload...

-Then I got Stuck on a Fence during the walk of shame Scenario. Fuck That...

 

Thats the Exact Problem, a mod shouldn't require the Player to actively play Along.

At least in my Opinion there is a certain responsibility you have as a modder towards your potential audience. You have to make sure your stuff is reliable.

Testing For Fringe cases is not a Fun process and requires a lot of time for very little tangible Gain. But its an essential part in any Form of Software Development.

 

The Fact that its still not working properly after 5 years of improvement isn't exactly a glowing commendation in my books.

Of course, many peoplae are happy that someone maintains the thing. but it might be a good idea to concentrate on Bugfixing rather than adding even more Fluff.

Another thing is the overall performance impact of the thing. As someone here in the thread mentioned earlier, it fires update events during unrelated Sexlab scenes. And im sure that not the only occurence.

 

So in short:

POP is a sloppy mess with no real Direction and shouldn't exist in the first place.

It would have been a way better Idea to start from scratch rather than trying to patch together some barely working mod from someone else

EDIT: The 2 Lines above are probably worded a bit to harsh, and of course many people do enjoy Inte´s work, which is obviously a good thing.

I just wanted to express that I disagree with the chosen approach.

 

 

The Problem with DD:

The main problem with DD is its blatant disregard for anything outside of the DD bubble. Its Incredibly intrusive in its functions and affects a lot of Stuff it has Zero business with.

For Example: Originally I had a feature implemented in PA which would prevent the Player from equipping anything before getting rid of his restraints. worked without problem.

 

HOWEVER, The mere presence of DD caused game freezes On Punishing and release Events. why?

Not perfectly sure. But i believe this happens because DD does some major fuckery when equipping/unequipping Items (Even non DD ones)

 

There is one very simple and widely accepted Rule when it comes to skyrim modding:

DONT FUCK WITH VANILLA ASSETS

Especially not with something as Fundamental as this!

 

 

Hope that gives you a little insight into the minds of the POP and DD haters

 

 

I dislike DD for a completely different reason.

 

I find it ironic that on a forum where the main focus is ADULT mods, one of the biggest frameworks for BDSM mostly prevents oral, anal and vaginal sex.

It even goes so far as to hide private parts (the bra, & belts)

 

If there was an option in it to disable chastity EVERYTHING, and only use restrictive bindings, that would be acceptable.

It's too bad that most mod authors automatically make it's usage mandatory.

 

Plus it's a resource hog, combine that with Cursed Loot and POP and you're spelling a recipe for disaster.

 

Let alone starving to death when using a Needs mod and getting a gag applied.

 

Just my $0.02

[Herowynne]

1 hour ago, judge007 said:

one of the biggest frameworks for BDSM mostly prevents oral, anal and vaginal sex.

It even goes so far as to hide private parts (the bra, & belts)

 

Yes, I wish that DD offered MCM options so we could choose that DD items be stripped before sex.

[Pamatronic]

On 7/16/2021 at 10:43 PM, judge007 said:

A voice pack for this mod.

 

It includes an eslified dummy plugin with your mod's plugin as master, to load the .bsa archive.

 

If you like it, and wish to include it, feel free

 

Enjoy!

 

Sweet, thank you!

I´ll have a look when I get some free time.

 

On 7/17/2021 at 12:04 AM, judge007 said:

I dislike DD for a completely different reason.

 

I find it ironic that on a forum where the main focus is ADULT mods, one of the biggest frameworks for BDSM mostly prevents oral, anal and vaginal sex.

It even goes so far as to hide private parts (the bra, & belts)

 

If there was an option in it to disable chastity EVERYTHING, and only use restrictive bindings, that would be acceptable.

It's too bad that most mod authors automatically make it's usage mandatory.

I don't think that's really DD´s fault.

I mean, DD just provides the chastity items. Those who make the DD dependent mods, make you wear them.

 

And while I too prefer the tiddies and stuff to be accessible, I think this is ultimately just a matter of taste.

There are a lot of people who find the thought of being locked up in BDSM gear just more appealing than actual fucking. And apparently Kimmy is one of them.

[judge007]

7 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

 

Sweet, thank you!

I´ll have a look when I get some free time.

 

I don't think that's really DD´s fault.

I mean, DD just provides the chastity items. Those who make the DD dependent mods, make you wear them.

 

And while I too prefer the tiddies and stuff to be accessible, I think this is ultimately just a matter of taste.

There are a lot of people who find the thought of being locked up in BDSM gear just more appealing than actual fucking. And apparently Kimmy is one of them.

Back in the day, when DD was young, and Kimmy wasn't involved, I remeber myself and others asking zadil & co. for the option to disable items from the game.

 

We were told in no uncertain terms "no".

 

People ask mod authors all the time to make DD a soft dependency only and are ignored.

 

The alternatives to DD at this time are Toys and ZaZ.

 

ZaZ at this time is a conglomeration of about four "frameworks" for BDSM that is riddled with non-existant folder paths still embedded in the .nif files.

And to be honest, I have no idea what value Toys brings to the scene.

 

So, I manually go through each Zaz release  and correct things that have been issues forever.

 

And I spend hours configuring DD to limit it's affects as much as possible.

 

About to start a new playthrough with no DD and see how that works out.

[ShenGo]

I'm leaning toward trying this out (my POP is actually (last time I checked) working mostly correctly for the first time EVER in all the years I've used it, so not sure when), just gotta make sure I even can remove DD first.

 

So question: I don't use female followers unless the game makes me. Soooo... What does this mod do to followers? ? Anything that pretty much expects your follower to be female and look weird on males? 

[jfraser]

5 hours ago, ShenGo said:

I'm leaning toward trying this out (my POP is actually (last time I checked) working mostly correctly for the first time EVER in all the years I've used it, so not sure when), just gotta make sure I even can remove DD first.

 

So question: I don't use female followers unless the game makes me. Soooo... What does this mod do to followers? ? Anything that pretty much expects your follower to be female and look weird on males? 

doesn't look like it:

 

Follower and NPC Support

(optional) you follower will also be arrested and shackled in your cell.

(optional) This mod Features a Detention and Bailout Mechanic for NPC´s (mainly followers). If you leave you follower behind during an escape, he will stay in Jail until you Bail them out.

[ShenGo]

2 hours ago, jfraser said:

doesn't look like it:

 

Follower and NPC Support

(optional) you follower will also be arrested and shackled in your cell.

(optional) This mod Features a Detention and Bailout Mechanic for NPC´s (mainly followers). If you leave you follower behind during an escape, he will stay in Jail until you Bail them out.

Yeah, I read that part. But during the actual sentence, are followers subjected to events like the PC? 

[Pamatronic]

7 hours ago, ShenGo said:

Yeah, I read that part. But during the actual sentence, are followers subjected to events like the PC?

Not in this Base version. They´ll get a bit more attention in the planned extension packs.

Currently included Dialogues don't contain anything gender-specific, and I planned to keep it this way.

Just went for females only in the Images, because... go figure ?

[ShenGo]

2 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

Not in this Base version. They´ll get a bit more attention in the planned extension packs.

Currently included Dialogues don't contain anything gender-specific, and I planned to keep it this way.

Just went for females only in the Images, because... go figure ?

Thank you for your reply. Will follower events be optional? I seem to be pretty particular about the sorts of things I subject my guys to. I prefer most of it to fall on my PC instead.

 

Edit: To be fair, I don't know what all the events ARE, as I haven't played it yet, but just in case, lol

Edited July 19, 2021 by ShenGo

[Deadly Kitten]

On 7/18/2021 at 1:40 PM, judge007 said:

And to be honest, I have no idea what value Toys brings to the scene.

It aims to be a non-DD mod that does some things (like allowing for restraints), make it easy for mod authors to add new things that just work, and doesn't get it's hand in everything that happens in game. That's just going off memory.

 

-EDIT- Some things like DD's animation filtering system are deeply flawed, and DD5 just... forces you to deal with it. It doesn't remember what animation was requested, and does things like have it's own list of "Supported" animations, and if you need an animation not in that list, well.... it typically just interrupts the current animation and gives you the generic belt masturbation attempt scene. I had this trigger because i had a clit piercing. Might be a mod conflict, but i've seen a lot of others with similar complaints so it is probably just the filter?

Edited July 20, 2021 by Deadly Kitten

[Macewar]

The Mod dosent work for me. When I get imprissond and I go to bed, the event triggers and I get a message. But the Guard just stands in the doorway and does nothing. My charckter stands in the cell, is unable to move and thats it. I tried evrything. Reinstalling, deploying with FNIS over and over again. Using different versions, deactivating other animation mods. Nothing works. I use the SSE, FNIS and FNIS Behavior. My other animation mods work just fine. Is there anyone who can help with my problem?

 

THX

[LD5]

21 hours ago, ShenGo said:

Thank you for your reply. Will follower events be optional? I seem to be pretty particular about the sorts of things I subject my guys to. I prefer most of it to fall on my PC instead.

 

Edit: To be fair, I don't know what all the events ARE, as I haven't played it yet, but just in case, lol

 

IIRC, right now there's only a single event for passing time, getting whipped, since it's still a beta. And getting put in more restraints if you cause trouble (IE, try to escape).

[ttpt]

9 hours ago, Macewar said:

The Mod dosent work for me. When I get imprissond and I go to bed, the event triggers and I get a message. But the Guard just stands in the doorway and does nothing. My charckter stands in the cell, is unable to move and thats it. I tried evrything. Reinstalling, deploying with FNIS over and over again. Using different versions, deactivating other animation mods. Nothing works. I use the SSE, FNIS and FNIS Behavior. My other animation mods work just fine. Is there anyone who can help with my problem?

 

THX

 

My first thought would be an FNIS issue since i had that problem, but if you've tried that and are sure that's not the problem my second thought would be a navmesh issue, are you trying this out in a specific prison or is it busted on all of them? Open TESEDIT and check the cell for the prison you're currently having trouble with and check navmesh conflicts. One example that comes to mind is POP, given that PA is an .esm now it's necessary to make a patch for them to work alongside now. If you're not using pop at all, skyrimsewers possibly also makes changes to some sewer-prison connected areas and could be changing the navmesh.

 

Basically the mod either hangs because it can't find the animations to proceed or hangs because it can't AI your way out of the cell because of navmehs issues. In theory, and this isn't something I've tested with PA, in theory you could use ZAZ mcm to restore player control, exit the prison cell, and then uses ZAZ to turn on AI control again, since you're out of the cell you might be in a usable part of the navmesh and might proceed, don't know if this actually works though.

 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by ttpt

[Pamatronic]

20 hours ago, ttpt said:

Basically the mod either hangs because it can't find the animations to proceed or hangs because it can't AI your way out of the cell because of navmehs issues.

@Macewar Either that, or you have something installed which tries to involve the player or torturer into another scene. (some random sex mod for example).

Either way, The issue is almost certainly caused by some other mod. Unfortunately you´ll have to do the old "deactivate-stuff-until-it-works" approach to figure this out.

[Player80]

Hi, what is DHLP? I swear I tried looking it up on google but I have no idea what it stands for, therefore I don't know whether I should turn "Allow DHLP-Interjection during escapes" on or let it disabled.

[losttoho]

Hello.

I would like a sample of the module.

I want to add a simple SEX event, but I don't know how.

[Pamatronic]

11 hours ago, Player80 said:

Hi, what is DHLP? I swear I tried looking it up on google but I have no idea what it stands for, therefore I don't know whether I should turn "Allow DHLP-Interjection during escapes" on or let it disabled.

"Deviously Helpless"

The DHLP-Flag is used by some mods to signal other mods that the player is currently busy and should not be involved into another scene.

 

Usually, PA raises this flag on the beginning of the prison-sentence and drops it at the end.

If you allow interjection, the flag is also dropped during escapes, so its in theory possible that someone rapes you when they see you running around in cuffs, trying to get away.

 

This is untested however, so i would recommend to leave it at its default.

 

[Pamatronic]

11 hours ago, losttoho said:

Hello.

I would like a sample of the module.

I want to add a simple SEX event, but I don't know how.

You can take a look at the script "pamaPA_ExampleEvent.psc" and use that as a template for new Events.

I did some more explaining on the matter in post #202, so you might want to take a look there as well.

[Doomed-Core]

Mod works until the torturer opens the door but he just stands there doing nothing also I cant move (however I'm bound)

what could be causing this?

[Doomed-Core]

7 minutes ago, Doomed-Core said:

Mod works until the torturer opens the door but he just stands there doing nothing also I cant move (however I'm bound)

what could be causing this?

found a temp fix (moving to the torturer and talking with him triggered the whipping scene and the rest work out well was released after)

 

[Pamatronic]

8 hours ago, Doomed-Core said:

found a temp fix (moving to the torturer and talking with him triggered the whipping scene and the rest work out well was released after)

 

Thanks for the report.

Just out of curiosity, do you have Fuz-Roh-Doh! installed?

[Pamatronic]

Just uploaded the (hopefully) final version.

-Nothing major has changed, see changelog for details.

-Thanks again to @judge007 for the voice files, they have been integrated.

 

mid-game Upgrade from previous Version should be safe. (again, not mid-prison)

Edited July 28, 2021 by Pamatronic
Dyslexia

[judge007]

9 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

Just uploaded the (hopefully) final version.

-Nothing major has changed, see changelog for details.

-Thanks again to @judge007 for the voice files, they have been integrated.

 

mid-game Upgrade from previous Version should be safe. (again, not mid-prison)

Will note so on my end.