Sexlab Survival

[chipstick]

Hey Monoman1,

 

Just saw that as of SLS0.642, the devious interface scripts have been rebuilt with DD5.1. Hence a new game required plus a rejuggle of load orders for DD5 (at least if we want to keep the DD functionality)

 

Don’t suppose we could just swap the devious interface scripts from an earlier version if we wanted to retain DD4.x functionality?

 

It sounds too simple a solution to be true, but am asking anyway out of a fervent desire to retain both the DD4 load order (too many mods don’t work with DD5) and keep updating with SLS (an essential mod to my LO). 

 

Even if that were possible- do you have plans to start using DD5 exclusive feature such as bondage furniture? (If you do, then that’s an additional push point to just adopt DD5. But I will grieve for the mods left behind).

 

 

[merryMalfunctioning]

Is there a good way to register new functions for the SLS wheel menu? 

[Monoman1]

29 minutes ago, chipstick said:

Hey Monoman1,

 

Just saw that as of SLS0.642, the devious interface scripts have been rebuilt with DD5.1. Hence a new game required plus a rejuggle of load orders for DD5 (at least if we want to keep the DD functionality)

 

Don’t suppose we could just swap the devious interface scripts from an earlier version if we wanted to retain DD4.x functionality?

 

It sounds too simple a solution to be true, but am asking anyway out of a fervent desire to retain both the DD4 load order (too many mods don’t work with DD5) and keep updating with SLS (an essential mod to my LO). 

 

Even if that were possible- do you have plans to start using DD5 exclusive feature such as bondage furniture? (If you do, then that’s an additional push point to just adopt DD5. But I will grieve for the mods left behind).

 

 

I'd say you'd be safe enough with the recompiled scripts. I didn't actually change anything inside so the function calls are all the same. Nor did I update the device list. 

 

What mods are incompatible with 5?

 

As for furniture. The thought did cross my mind. Maybe some day. I haven't even checked it out in game yet. In any case, if I can't do it without a hard dep I won't do it. 

2 hours ago, doomcat9 said:

hi

i downloaded a custom follower and used mcm to add him to the escort list. it seemingly worked but when i try to pay the toll

i still see the message women need an escort to leave.

please help

What follower framework. Havent had any complaints like this for a long time. Check if your follower framework in installed OK. Make sure any file overwrites are legit. 

 

You can always set followers required to zero in the toll menu. 

10 hours ago, TheArchlich said:

@Monoman1

I didn't include it cause I though you may want to add it directly to SLS esp, which I didn't do.

 

Also, I'm not sure if that matters, but you may wanna add the BareFeet keyword form to the SLS esp and make sure that the form ID is matching. As I say, not sure if that matters at all, but it's the shitty creation engine, so better be safe.

FootwrapsKeyword.esp 904 B · 2 downloads

This leads to the question if @Lupine00 wants (or thinks itd be appropriate) to add a barefoot keyword to Slax instead of SLS....?

[Lupine00]

34 minutes ago, chipstick said:

Just saw that as of SLS0.642, the devious interface scripts have been rebuilt with DD5.1. Hence a new game required plus a rejuggle of load orders for DD5 (at least if we want to keep the DD functionality)

What?

 

I loaded .645 against DD 4.2 and noticed no problems.

 

For me, DD5 is a deal-breaker. DFC doesn't support DD5, and I am unlikely to update it for that any time soon.

It works ... mostly ... with DD5, probably as much as it works with DD4  

[Monoman1]

4 minutes ago, markdf said:

Is there a good way to register new functions for the SLS wheel menu? 

What kind of functionality? Its not that customizable without scripting. 

[Lupine00]

54 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

This leads to the question if @Lupine00 wants (or thinks itd be appropriate) to add a barefoot keyword to Slax instead of SLS....?

The issue we have with SLAX right now is not ... will I update SLAX?

Or could it support another keyword? (Which clearly would be no problem).

The issue is, are we happy with a version of SLAX being a hard-requirement for any mod?

 

I don't want to force my keywords and factions on people by "fiat". Babo added SLAX dependency of their own accord, and provides ways to get that with other mods too. I think the Babo mods handle not having the keywords too; they aren't in a situation where they're putting them in dialogs, except the dialogs mod Which I don't have, and have never seen, because it's pay-walled. (Though I'm guessing the English version reads very strangely).

I ... think ... you could run the old SLAR codebase against the SLAX ESP with no issues whatsoever if you wanted.

 

 

But if we're going to do this, I need to be serious about releasing SLAX, and that would mean the current DFC release will be the last for a while.

 

If SLAX is going to be a requirement for multiple things, I'd rather have it in a public GitHub, where people can make PRs, so that's something else that should be done if it's to be a genuine shared resource.

[chipstick]

50 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I'd say you'd be safe enough with the recompiled scripts. I didn't actually change anything inside so the function calls are all the same. Nor did I update the device list. 

 

What mods are incompatible with 5?

 

49 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

What?

 

I loaded .645 against DD 4.2 and noticed no problems.

 

For me, DD5 is a deal-breaker. DFC doesn't support DD5, and I am unlikely to update it for that any time soon.

It works ... mostly ... with DD5, probably as much as it works with DD4  

Right, so .645 should work with DD4 then. I misunderstood the implications of the recompiled devious interface scripts then, sorry.  Will give it a whirl end of the week or early next week when I have the time to play again. Thank you both for replying and letting me know.

 

As to which mods don’t work with DD5, it’s mainly devious Cidhna and deviously vanilla. Was also looking at adding on the standalone slavery’s comments mod (which runs without slaverun). Been looking at that for a few months now, but me adding it in would require some serious editing of the comments included- which has forestalled its additions 

[Herowynne]

1 hour ago, chipstick said:

As to which mods don’t work with DD5, it’s mainly devious Cidhna

 

What issues does Devious Cidhna have with DD5 ?

 

I have both in my load order right now. I haven't noticed problems, but I haven't been looking for problems either.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

10 hours ago, chipstick said:

As to which mods don’t work with DD5, it’s mainly devious Cidhna

 

Same as above, I've been using DD5 and Devious Cidhna  and only know of one problem; in the Bandit scenario in Lost Knife, they try but fail to remove the yoke.  While yoked you can't use the fireplace cooking station which is integral in escaping.  This problem existed in DD4 too and hasn't been fixed yet.  The mod was updated in DD4 to change what restraints were equipped for the Pirate Prize (armbinder replaced by straightjacket) and being passed around in Druadach Redoubt (armbinder replaced by prisoner shackles.)  I get around the yoke problem by giving myself a key to remove it after I convince a bandit to do so.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

Just noticed a problem that I'm surprised I haven't seen before.  In Windhelm, after the Civil War is over in the Empire's favor, the tables with the chests where you pay your toll are missing from both the front gates and the docks exit.  I probably never noticed before because by this late in the game my character is so addicted that she's paying the tolls with BJs.  Maybe something else caused this but I don't have any city modifying mods that I can think of.  (Well except Eldergleam Regrown for Whiterun.)

 

Nevermind.  Just realized that I had temporarily turned off tolls and evasion in order to ride a dragon out of Dragonsreach to Skuldafn, but forgot to re-enable them.  Silly me.

[ck2modfan]

Would you consider adding under "Please, I need help" to beg for Skooma in addition to existing items (e.g. Lactacid)?

 

Been playing around with MiniNeeds and using Skooma dependency. Works well enough if spend time in town and periodically visit Skooma Den. Doesn't work so well if out adventuring in dungeon and run out.

[Yukitemi]

I find it funny when a fence refuses to buy items that I don't have license for. xd

 

Btw when guards send me to kennel they can remove stuff like heavy yoke or high security belt and won't put back on after. smells like cheese

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Yukitemi said:

I find it funny when a fence refuses to buy items that I don't have license for. xd

 

Btw when guards send me to kennel they can remove stuff like heavy yoke or high security belt and won't put back on after. smells like cheese

First one sounds more wrong than the second. I think there's a list you can add vendors to so they ignore licenses, but I thought fences were already in it?

I guess not.

 

Devious Lore lets guards remove items for you, sometimes even without any negative consequences, so it's not that rare a behavior.

[Lupine00]

6 hours ago, ck2modfan said:

Would you consider adding under "Please, I need help" to beg for Skooma in addition to existing items (e.g. Lactacid)?

It was tricky to believe that random townsfolk would be carrying around a spare pair of shoes, or clothing for a person of a different gender.

 

But they're also all carrying skooma?

It seems a reach.

 

It makes more sense to me that the requests an NPC can help you with should vary from NPC to NPC.

Asking men for clothes could be a mistake, possibly? Though not necessarily in all cases, just more often than not.

 

So, sure, asking the right people for skooma might work.

But asking the wrong ones should result in a complaint to the guards that they were menaced by a junkie.

[ck2modfan]

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

It was tricky to believe that random townsfolk would be carrying around a spare pair of shoes, or clothing for a person of a different gender.

 

But they're also all carrying skooma?

It seems a reach.

 

It makes more sense to me that the requests an NPC can help you with should vary from NPC to NPC.

Asking men for clothes could be a mistake, possibly? Though necessarily not in all cases, just more often than not.

 

So, sure, asking the right people for skooma might work.

But asking the wrong ones should result in a complaint to the guards that they were menaced by a junkie.

Yes, I like that even better. Maybe based on morality or random. It shouldn't be easy to get your fix.

[Monoman1]

On 3/23/2021 at 11:00 PM, Lupine00 said:

DD5 is a deal-breaker.

What is exactly?

On 3/23/2021 at 11:05 PM, Lupine00 said:

The issue is, are we happy with a version of SLAX being a hard-requirement for any mod?

Some mod has to be right? If there was a better way of injecting forms we wouldn't be here. 

We were talking about a proper utility mod for LL mods. Why not slax? Doubt there's many people here that run sexlab that don't run SLA. The only better place you could put it is in sexlab itself. After those possibilities are eliminated you're back to another standalone mod. And we know how people feel about that

10 hours ago, ck2modfan said:

Would you consider adding under "Please, I need help" to beg for Skooma in addition to existing items (e.g. Lactacid)

Isn't skooma already an option? Should be if skooma where is installed. 

Oh wait I see you're using mini needs. I'm not checking for that.  

7 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

 

It makes more sense to me that the requests an NPC can help you with should vary from NPC to NPC

Dont make me pull out the big pic of the begging dialogue view again ?

 

[Monoman1]

8 hours ago, Yukitemi said:

I find it funny when a fence refuses to buy items that I don't have license for. xd

 

Btw when guards send me to kennel they can remove stuff like heavy yoke or high security belt and won't put back on after. smells like cheese

Fences should take anything. Unless they're mod fences. In which case its crystall ball time unless you tell SLS which npcs are fences.

 

As for the kennel, anything that's taken off should be put back on before you leave. Is this not the case?

[Lupine00]

27 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

What is exactly?

If it's a hard requirement and DD4 doesn't work; causing SLS to fail to load due to a missing master or with any other SLS fails completely issue.

 

Which is what the original poster was suggesting.

 

I guess having features totally fail due to a lack of DD5 would be pretty bad too, but maybe acceptable if it fails in a benign way.

 

I'm not suggesting that DD5 is in itself something I will never install ... no no no ... 

It's just that I haven't installed it, and it might be a while before I can.

 

I can hardly say I'm supporting DD4.2 and then install DD5 but not use anything from it and use it incorrectly.

So, I can't have the totally new and improved world of bondage fun that is DD5 without being ready to support it properly.

And a new SLS version - that I may need to update to for licenses - that mandated that would thus be rather difficult problem.

 

But, as I said, I didn't notice any requirement for DD5 when I installed .645

[Lupine00]

23 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Dont make me pull out the big pic of the begging dialogue view again

Just one more condition... it's wafer thin...

 

Practically speaking, even easier to simply not add skooma, and instead pester Bane Master to add more skooma dealers to https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2229-skooma-whore-addicted/ - everyone's favorite addon addiction mod for the mod that's already about skooma addiction. Even if you don't want the extra features, the latest SW patch is there.

 

 

 

[Yukitemi]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Unless they're mod fences.

Oh yeah that's definitely a mod fence, don't remember exactly wich one tho. Inconsequential NPCs maybe.

Eh, not that funny anymore

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Is this not the case?

Yeah. But if I go to the kennel keeper, he removes items even non-generic, but puts them back on when I leave. So it happens only when guards send me there.

[Monoman1]

7 hours ago, Yukitemi said:

Yeah. But if I go to the kennel keeper, he removes items even non-generic, but puts them back on when I leave. So it happens only when guards send me there.

Yokes, at least, appear to be re-equipped in my testing when sent to the kennel for curfew violations. Other kennel punishment entry points quite likely use the same code. 

[Yukitemi]

13 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Yokes, at least, appear to be re-equipped in my testing when sent to the kennel for curfew violations. Other kennel punishment entry points quite likely use the same code.

Damn I started new game to test that and it works. But I recently started with a new save when DCL got updated... Things broke somehow, I have no idea.

 

Edit: Yeh, it did broke. Loaded earlier save - works there.

[Lupine00]

What does the Whore license do?

Or is going to do?

 

Beyond letting you go out at night?

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

What does the Whore license do?

Or is going to do?

 

Beyond letting you go out at night?

Right now, nothing. 

Later, who knows. Nothing concrete as of now. Except ideas. For those you'll have to consult the MsPaint chart of dreams

[DavidWillers]

I might just be really fucking dumb, but I can't seem to get the bikini armor mod part to work... Is there like a guide on how to set it up properly? And if no, could someone maybe quickly explain what I have to download (just the bikinifier?) and what else I have to look out for.