Sexlab Survival

[shiagwen]

yes a nord.  nusbie voices elf chicken m for sexlab

what do you mean with set those up ? english is not my language ( an i dont like it )

beside this i have no problems with survivaal 5.91 the problems come with the higher versions - and the good content.

 

[Krashark]

7 hours ago, shiagwen said:

what do you mean with set those up ? english is not my language ( an i dont like it )

beside this i have no problems with survivaal 5.91 the problems come with the higher versions - and the good content.

"set those up", in this case, means that Monoman had already set up the cum load size for all vanilla races in Survival.

For custom races, the first time you get a cum load from them, you should be prompted to choose a load size.

If the prompt is not appearing, you might want to go to SLS mod folder, and then check the file SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/RaceLoadSizes.json to see if the custom races have already a load size assigned to them. If they're not, then I'd suggest reinstalling SLS.

[LinksSword]

I don't understand, i installed the mod correctly but the Daydream feature is not working for me, i set arousal to 30 set my arousal to 30 and nothing happens?

 

EDIT: nvm i'm stupid had to go and talk to an npc for some reason i thought it would make

Spoiler

npcs around naked

but i can guess that would cause performance issues for some anyways, i got another issue one that exist on an older save since updating my carry weight drastically went down and i don't know why because the menu settings i had are still the same unless some new feature was added the past year that would effect player stats besides the gender difference stat settings which i have all off, Yes if you are wondering i updated from a very very old version to the latest which could very well have ended in disaster but so far everything seems good.

[noctred]

Seems like the gate guard dialog loops when you enter or leave a walled city - the "hold on a second princess, one moment while I check your licenes" line.

 

Is this a known issue or something wrong with my install?

[shiagwen]

3 hours ago, Vaccinated Alligator said:

"set those up", in this case, means that Monoman had already set up the cum load size for all vanilla races in Survival.

For custom races, the first time you get a cum load from them, you should be prompted to choose a load size.

If the prompt is not appearing, you might want to go to SLS mod folder, and then check the file SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/RaceLoadSizes.json to see if the custom races have already a load size assigned to them. If they're not, then I'd suggest reinstalling SLS.

i dont have a custum race. but a window appeared that sais race not detected, tell how big it is to determine the amount of cum.

is this maybe because of sos for females ?

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, LinksSword said:

i got another issue one that exist on an older save since updating my carry weight drastically went down and i don't know why because the menu settings i had are still the same unless some new feature was added the past year that would effect player stats besides the gender difference stat settings which i have all off, Yes if you are wondering i updated from a very very old version to the latest which could very well have ended in disaster but so far everything seems good.

Try disabling minav. 

17 hours ago, shiagwen said:

eedit : i never thought there would be a mod with harder bugs than maria eden

Most likely you messed up the json when you edited it.

 

[Monoman1]

3 hours ago, noctred said:

Is this a known issue or something wrong with my install?

Dialogue loops for as long as it takes to check your inventory. 

Bigger inventory or a lot of scripts running = longer check time. 

[Sorrow_421]

Did anyone manage to make ahegao work with SL Util+? I installed the open mouth mod but my toon becomes tinier than Alice in the Wonderland. I know there is a compatibility issue as @Monoman1 said, I'm just asking if anyone found a way around it.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Sorrow_421 said:

Did anyone manage to make ahegao work with SL Util+? I installed the open mouth mod but my toon becomes tinier than Alice in the Wonderland. I know there is a compatibility issue as @Monoman1 said, I'm just asking if anyone found a way around it.

Open Mouth Mod v1.0 For SL Utility+ 15-March-2021.7z

 

Try this but I make no guarantee of anything. 

[Alexi04]

22 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Mmm. Personally I've always found the rescue scenario too safe/pretty boring and lackluster. There's absolutely no 'fear' of overexposure. Even it's just a chance of SS I'm not sure I ever be too bothered with exposure. But I'll see if I can add an option. Would be nice if there were more outcomes. Like I dunno, all your stuff is left where you 'died' and you're sent back to the inn. Or you wake up in a cave as a troll/wolf packs bitch. There's got to be something better than simply respawn. It's a very underdeveloped side of frostfall and sls.

Thanks! I think the main flaw is the Simple Slavery stuff not working when you collapse due to hypthermia, but I appreciate you looking into allowing for the normal frostfall events too.

 

I do know what you mean about the boringness, and I do like the 'fear' aspect, but I think that already exists even in the good frostfall hypothermia events, especially alongside this mod and the mods which compliment it. For example, in one instance I woke up inside of a temple after having succumbed to hypothermia (in no due small part due to a combination of the bikini curse [I've set bikini items to provide little to no warmth & coverage] and being unable to carry more, potentially warming items), I did not have enough money to pay the debt of my devious follower, nor enough for a magic license to avoid the collar, nor enough to leave the town gate, I was also wearing bondage heels from the cursed loot mod which left me vulnerable to attacks. I spent four very fraught in-game days in that town trying to scrounge enough cash just to leave town safely, all the while my debt increasing to the devious follower. Obviously I needed to start all over again to get to my target too once I did actually manage to leave. More events would be good too though, obviously!

 

On a side note, what do you guys do about bikini armours not from the 'world of' mod in terms of allowing equips? I recently came across an armour from the 'cursed loot' mod which I'd set as bikini armour and I think it would be overpowered if I were to wear it alongside the items from the 'world of' mod, which I can do since it occupied the 'body' slot. Do you forbid everything that isn't a gauntlet/helm/boot, or do you allow for pauldrons and ab protectors? I am curious as to what people think.

[shiagwen]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Try disabling minav. 

Most likely you messed up the json when you edited it.

 

Finally made it.  Must have been these tricky commas  Juhuu+

 

this is an important step !

 

though i need to have the tollman outside the gate, preventing people to enter the city, which is realistic.  inside i have to go to them by free will. howeer, next exit is free.

point is, if slaverun or not, the pc has to go naked or wear DD inside the city. therefore this toll works. of course there is no meaning to pay the toll, so it is as high as possible.

[Monoman1]

24 minutes ago, shiagwen said:

i just deleted the complete line which has a number that shows it is rope , for example 337xxxxxxx

yes but if you made a single mistake then it makes the entire file unreadable. 

Check it using an online json checker. 

[shiagwen]

21 minutes ago, shiagwen said:

i just deleted the complete line which has a number that shows it is rope , for example 337xxxxxxx

ok now that i get rid of that rope crap i can ask a very serious question

 

will survival make it through a whole gameplay without breaking erors ? 

until  now, i had no problems with 5.91, but with 6.35 and beta things went worse soon.

 

which mods would you never play together with survival for a full game ?

slaverun, cursed loot, pop, skooma whore, moe nastycriters, defeat, radiant prodstituion, tdf prostitution, solutlion, confablation, sos for females, well, thats my list

devious followers, lola, maria eden  these are outside my list

i am still looking for a slavery mod to go to from simple slavery++.   i like to sell her .....but noone can treat her as she deserves

[Herowynne]

37 minutes ago, shiagwen said:

which mods would you never play together with survival for a full game ?

slaverun, cursed loot, pop, skooma whore, moe nastycriters, defeat, radiant prodstituion, tdf prostitution, solutlion, confablation, sos for females, well, thats my list

devious followers, lola, maria eden  these are outside my list

 

I play on Skyrim SE.

 

In my main MO2 profile, which is very stable, I use Sexlab Survival with DD 5.1, More Nasty Critters, Horny Creatures, Animal SOS, SlaveTats, FadeTats, RapeTats, Apropos2, Fill Her Up, Dripping When Aroused, Sexlab Defeat, Devious Followers Continued (DFC), Spank That Ass, Sexlab Separate Orgasm (SLSO), Prison Overhaul Patched (POP), Simple Slavery++, Devious Cidhna, Submissive Lola, Laura's Bondage Shop, Captured Dreams, SLUTS Resume, and The Ancient Profession (for prostitution).

 

I have s separate MO2 profile for Slaverun, and another separate profile for Deviously Cursed Loot (DCL). Those mods both affect the game world a lot, and I prefer them in their own profiles with a smaller set of other mods.

 

Slaverun is too unstable for me to play through a full game.

[shiagwen]

26 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

 

I play on Skyrim SE.

 

In my main MO2 profile, which is very stable, I use Sexlab Survival with DD 5.1, More Nasty Critters, Horny Creatures, Animal SOS, SlaveTats, FadeTats, RapeTats, Apropos2, Fill Her Up, Dripping When Aroused, Sexlab Defeat, Devious Followers Continued (DFC), Spank That Ass, Sexlab Separate Orgasm (SLSO), Prison Overhaul Patched (POP), Simple Slavery++, Devious Cidhna, Submissive Lola, Laura's Bondage Shop, Captured Dreams, SLUTS Resume, and The Ancient Profession (for prostitution).

 

I have s separate MO2 profile for Slaverun, and another separate profile for Deviously Cursed Loot (DCL). Those mods both affect the game world a lot, and I prefer them in their own profiles with a smaller set of other mods.

 

Slaverun is too unstable for me to play through a full game.

Thanks for your overview.so i can compare it. i dont play se because my pc has brown shadows right from the start.  se never made it outside riverwood.

 

you have 5 mods from my list, 12 not from my list and 3 from my outside list. even with the 32 bits i could easily play the mods without dcur and slaverun.

 

isnt captured dreams abanodoned because of health problems ? ancient profession looks interesting, but se only and early alpha since a year ....

 

so how do you make separate game profiles ? that would be much work and loading chaos, no ?

that means you concentrate on the main quests in slaverun and cursed loot. i have to say the main quest in slaverun is ruined by that ugly ivana and waaaayyyyyy tooo looong dialogues. disable story mode disables most sexscenes too, so an overhaul of that mod to separate dialogues from sexscenes would fit well.

i never liked the quests in cursed loot.  run here,  run there , put in devices, put out of devices. i just made the leon quest and chloe 8.4.

if cursed loot and slaverun are so unstable and i dont like the quests anyway , the question is, if the otzher content is worth the risk of a broken game.

 

about lola and devious followers continued, i tried them more than one time and they always showed me their bad sides, stuck in non- funcionality. and lola is more a non-adult mod, trivial sweetrolls and ale fetching than humiliating sex scenes. and whipping never worked and broke.   whipping works only in maria eden 2.01 and in pop, to my experience. even in slaverun whipping slides on the floor and furnitures pc didnt fit in.

[shiagwen]

edit :  looks like monoman does play slaverun together with survival because of his start slaverun button. i would like to hear his opinion.

 

i dont know another way to put npcs into dd,  except with the clothingshooter in maria eden.  whats worse, ME or SR ?   bah but iwould prefer ME.

[Monoman1]

21 minutes ago, shiagwen said:

edit :  looks like monoman does play slaverun together with survival because of his start slaverun button. i would like to hear his opinion.

 

i dont know another way to put npcs into dd,  except with the clothingshooter in maria eden.  whats worse, ME or SR ?   bah but iwould prefer ME.

I use slaverun yes but only for:

- Advancing Town enslavement which gradually increases difficulty - need clothes licence. Cant trade clothes. Cant wear clothes to increase your disguise distance. Pushes you out to towns further away from whiterun = dangerous journeys. 

- random npc sex

- as consequnce for entering the zaz slave faction - you'll be selected for random rape before 'free' females. Try not to get enslaved. 

 

I don't really play through the story any more. I personally find the replay value of linear SL quests.... questionable. 

 

All this talk of stability/breakage I find a bit funny. This is a Bethesda game. Its already broken and unstable. Add mods on top and you increase the odds of breaking/instability. Its the price you pay for modding. 

[noctred]

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Dialogue loops for as long as it takes to check your inventory. 

Bigger inventory or a lot of scripts running = longer check time. 

 

Ah I see - so it's not really an issue but more a way for the mod to mask what it's doing behind the scenes.

 

Thanks.

[Krashark]

3 hours ago, Herowynne said:

Slaverun is too unstable for me to play through a full game.

I also don't play Slaverun. The main reason for it is the amount of forced cutscenes, where you lose control your character and even using console commands you can't stop it.

Of course, playing Slaverun is basically another game using Skyrim's software.

I don't want to play "another game" in Skyrim, I want to play Skyrim with "another games".

[Fulanoo]

Does SLS triggers the covering self animation when naked? If it does, does it require line of sight?

[Corsayr]

9 minutes ago, Fulanoo said:

Does SLS triggers the covering self animation when naked? If it does, does it require line of sight?

 

There is a hot key cover self feature, but it is not automatic you actually have to toggle it. 

 

[Lupine00]

7 hours ago, shiagwen said:

isnt captured dreams abanodoned because of health problems ? ancient profession looks interesting, but se only and early alpha since a year ....

 

so how do you make separate game profiles ? that would be much work and loading chaos, no ?

that means you concentrate on the main quests in slaverun and cursed loot. i have to say the main quest in slaverun is ruined by that ugly ivana and waaaayyyyyy tooo looong dialogues. disable story mode disables most sexscenes too, so an overhaul of that mod to separate dialogues from sexscenes would fit well.

i never liked the quests in cursed loot.  run here,  run there , put in devices, put out of devices. i just made the leon quest and chloe 8.4.

if cursed loot and slaverun are so unstable and i dont like the quests anyway , the question is, if the otzher content is worth the risk of a broken game.

 

about lola and devious followers continued, i tried them more than one time and they always showed me their bad sides, stuck in non- funcionality. and lola is more a non-adult mod, trivial sweetrolls and ale fetching than humiliating sex scenes. and whipping never worked and broke.   whipping works only in maria eden 2.01 and in pop, to my experience. even in slaverun whipping slides on the floor and furnitures pc didnt fit in.

If there's a consistent pattern in shiagwen comments, it's "having problems with popular mods".

You could say it's a "dissenting position".

 

I'm not saying those opinions aren't valid in a personal sense, but they are founded in anecdotal experience and personal opinion. It's not appropriate to draw global conclusions from it that can be considered absolutes. If we were just to talk personal experience, I'd say I have a differing one on most of the points raised, and a widely divergent idea about what mods I can put in a game and get stability.

 

Putting the stability of Slaverun and Cursed Loot on the same footing is hard to justify. They aren't even in the same ballpark for load and problem areas. Even DCL 9's Whip&Chain are barely approaching anything in Slaverun, and W&C is not something that you have to deal with over and over, for every single quest you complete in a massive chain of dozens of quests - which is where Slaverun is at.

 

Opinions like "SLTR isn't an adult mod" are bordering on trolling. How is that helping? Let's just call it a language barrier problem.

 

And then we face such non-sequiturs as "I don't use SE" alongside comments on using Maria Eden; which is, at this point, only developed on SE and is not feasibly back-portable even if anyone wanted to do it. If we were going to make a list of "mods with whipping", then bringing up ME and ignoring SD+ strikes me as ... confusing ... at best.

I take issue with this vague accusation of DFC being "stuck in non-functionality"... Which, as I understand it, actually refers to a minor bug, impacting a small number of users in narrow circumstances. It was annoying, for sure, but could easily be worked around, and as far as I know is fixed. Do they even use DFC at this point? Or SLTR?  I can't tell.

 

Nor do I understand the remarks about multiple game profiles.

I have multiple game profiles. MO makes that relatively easy to deal with - though I could wish for some improvements in tracking the use of mods across profiles, it's something I think a lot of people have and use. But... I'm not even sure how that was relevant. What is being said here? It needs a lot more explanation.

 

 

What I haven't heard from shiagwen, is what they actually want. What are they asking for? What improvement or change would dramatically improve their adult gaming experience?

It feels like the main feature they desire is whipping. If not, why so much discussion of how whipping works.

 

I get the sense that the slavery mod they should be using is SD+ or Slaverun. Both of those are going to bring more problems than DFC or SLTR but as I'm not sure whether the issue here is functionality or stability ... these lumps of toxic dissatisfaction being dumped into forum after forum aren't able to achieve anything.

 

 

Maybe shiagwen should be using SD+, rather than using a mod that is far from the right one for their needs and kinks and then complaining bitterly about how that inappropriately selected mod doesn't provide for their needs and kinks! Then they could go and camp on the SD+ forum and bring up all the issues in SD+ they want fixed, with at least some possibility of it ever being the mod they want. Or if not SD+, clearly some other mod than the ones they have tried so far. They seem happy with PoP too ... well that works great with SD+. Perfect.

 

 

Instead of dismissing mods with throw-away statements, how about a description of the end-state that is desired, with some kind of importance or priority attached to features?

Then there might be some idea whether these posts - which seem only tangentially related to SexLab Survival - can ever lead anywhere useful.

 

 

When shiagwen went on a (totally off topic) rant about DFC here, and about how they had a list of awesome ideas to improve adult mods, I asked them to post on the DFC forum. I did get the complaints repeated there, but I didn't get the useful information I needed to actually resolve their bug, which came from others. Nor did I ever see any of these ideas about how to improve the mod, or if I did, I didn't recognize them as a novel suggestion.

 

@shiagwen, if you have ideas, post them, but this repeated griping and complaining is getting in the way of real progress. The constructive part is totally absent from your constructive criticism.

[Lupine00]

8 hours ago, Herowynne said:

Slaverun is too unstable for me to play through a full game.

I'd say that most people have that experience.

 

If you want to play Slaverun, you need to strip out everything else. Seriously. Everything. You don't want anything in there beyond your ENB+lighting, and the bare bones of SexLab and DD support required to make Slaverun functional.

 

That includes combat mods, especially any that run Papyrus.

Fancy carriages. Inn improvements. Followers. Extra NPCs beyond Hydras. Take them all out... especially the extra NPCs.

Wear & Tear? Take it out. You'll spend the entire game crippled if you leave it in anyway. If you want that you can just trash all your actor values manually and avoid another unnecessary mod.

Sexist Guards? Cut them. Who cares about a snarky sweet-roll comment when you're raped every other minute?

PoP - definitely remove - it's not like prison is the problem in Slaverun anway.

If it isn't  a100% necessary hard requirement for Slaverun, strip it out.

 

The sad irony, is that SexLab Survival sort of needs to go too. It adds some game stress in Whiterun, and that is where Slaverun is going to fall apart, so removing SLS is a win. It's not entirely compatible with playing the slave path in Slaverun anyway, unless you disable half the features, and the other half the features somewhat conflict or undercut events in Slaverun. Thematically it's 100% perfect, but (as an example) if you're getting amputated and healed every day, the story events in Slaverun don't amount to much any more.

 

Slaverun is so close to the tipping point of breaking any game that you cannot run it without aggressively purging your game.

Purge! Purge! Purge! Strip out all those mods you love. That is the only way to play Slaverun with any hope of stability.

I know we LOVE those mods, but you can't have everything at once. It's Slaverun or them. You have to choose.

If you can't accept that choice, then you will need to get pretty handy with Fallrim Tools and setstage.

 

It also follows that if you want to have a stable game, you need to strip out Slaverun.

It's the single biggest thing you can do to improve stability if you have it installed.

 

I was getting quite frequent crashes. I took out Slaverun, PoP and a few other minor mods. My custom-memory-block use dropped from 80% climbing to high nineties, to 50%, climbing to mid seventies, and I can play with almost complete stability. I still have a bad asset somewhere that is causing a crash. I believe I have a single bad NIF somewhere, and if I can get rid of that, crashes would be so rare as to be non-existent.  Even with the issue I have, I can play for days without a crash, which is why it's so hard to track down the offending mod.

 

I have a new game with DD5.1 and DCL9, and it's very solid, again, just that one rogue/broken asset trying to allocate 80MB in a single block and failing. Whip&Chain is fine. No stress issues.

[Fulanoo]

1 hour ago, Corsayr said:

 

There is a hot key cover self feature, but it is not automatic you actually have to toggle it. 

 

Got it, do you know about any mod that does it automatically (with line of sight)?

 

Edit: Found one on Nexus, gonna test it out.

[Lupine00]

3 minutes ago, Fulanoo said:

(with line of sight)

Line of sight doesn't work how you would hope it does in Skyrim.