Sexlab Survival

[noctred]

22 minutes ago, Fulanoo said:

Got it, do you know about any mod that does it automatically (with line of sight)?

 

EVG Conditional Idles, DCL, and SL Sexual Fame all have automated naked cover idle triggers iirc - not sure about line of sight though. I think Conditional Expressions has something like that as well but it might just be an embarrassed facial expression rather than a full idle.

[Corsayr]

23 minutes ago, Fulanoo said:

Edit: Found one on Nexus, gonna test it out.

 

I know the one you are talking about, it is pretty cool. But it is a total resource pig. ?

[Fulanoo]

5 minutes ago, Corsayr said:

 

I know the one you are talking about, it is pretty cool. But it is a total resource pig. ?

Yeah, that one. It's too demanding? Damn, that sucks

 

24 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Line of sight doesn't work how you would hope it does in Skyrim.

What do you mean?
 

8 minutes ago, noctred said:

 

EVG Conditional Idles, DCL, and SL Sexual Fame all have automated naked cover idle triggers iirc - not sure about line of sight though. I think Conditional Expressions has something like that as well but it might just be an embarrassed facial expression rather than a full idle.

Yeah, I don't think those first 3 have line of sight (if they have something is broken here on my load order lol). I'll take a look at Conditional Expressions but I think it's just expressions (it only affects the face).

[Pinute]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

Slaverun is so close to the tipping point of breaking any game that you cannot run it without aggressively purging your game.

Purge! Purge! Purge! Strip out all those mods you love. That is the only way to play Slaverun with any hope of stability.

 

 

I nearly made it to the end last year, only because, one, I spell purge as PURGE, two, the stars were in alignment, and three, I resisted the urge to add a mod for a very long time. Don't be me, and pray for help.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Fulanoo said:

What do you mean?

I mean it isn't blocked by things that should block it, and is blocked by things that maybe shouldn't.

 

That makes the LOS experience unintuitive for players and modders.

 

If you are close enough, and you have LOS, you probably really do have sensible LOS.

The reverse question is more difficult to be sure about. Do I definitely not have LOS?

 

Also, at longer ranges, it's less certain what it means.

 

I'm curious if it's the same in SE.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Fulanoo said:

Yeah, I don't think those first 3 have line of sight

DCL just does it if you're naked, and the naked check is just slot 32 as far as I can remember. 

I don't really like that animation/position as it can't work for all body sizes and shapes and ends up looking weird for most.

 

It's not something Skyrim can easily get perfect, but maybe with SMP and appropriate collision you could get something nice.

[Fulanoo]

@Monoman1 is the Block Magic toggle from Pickpocket and Dismemberment supposed to work when the amputation was triggered by another mod?
I used the Amputation Framework own menu to remove PC's left arm and I can still equip and use spells on the left hand.

[shiagwen]

8 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

If there's a consistent pattern in shiagwen comments, it's "having problems with popular mods".

You could say it's a "dissenting position".

 

I'm not saying those opinions aren't valid in a personal sense, but they are founded in anecdotal experience and personal opinion. It's not appropriate to draw global conclusions from it that can be considered absolutes. If we were just to talk personal experience, I'd say I have a differing one on most of the points raised, and a widely divergent idea about what mods I can put in a game and get stability.

 

Putting the stability of Slaverun and Cursed Loot on the same footing is hard to justify. They aren't even in the same ballpark for load and problem areas. Even DCL 9's Whip&Chain are barely approaching anything in Slaverun, and W&C is not something that you have to deal with over and over, for every single quest you complete in a massive chain of dozens of quests - which is where Slaverun is at.

 

Opinions like "SLTR isn't an adult mod" are bordering on trolling. How is that helping? Let's just call it a language barrier problem.

 

And then we face such non-sequiturs as "I don't use SE" alongside comments on using Maria Eden; which is, at this point, only developed on SE and is not feasibly back-portable even if anyone wanted to do it. If we were going to make a list of "mods with whipping", then bringing up ME and ignoring SD+ strikes me as ... confusing ... at best.

I take issue with this vague accusation of DFC being "stuck in non-functionality"... Which, as I understand it, actually refers to a minor bug, impacting a small number of users in narrow circumstances. It was annoying, for sure, but could easily be worked around, and as far as I know is fixed. Do they even use DFC at this point? Or SLTR?  I can't tell.

 

Nor do I understand the remarks about multiple game profiles.

I have multiple game profiles. MO makes that relatively easy to deal with - though I could wish for some improvements in tracking the use of mods across profiles, it's something I think a lot of people have and use. But... I'm not even sure how that was relevant. What is being said here? It needs a lot more explanation.

 

 

What I haven't heard from shiagwen, is what they actually want. What are they asking for? What improvement or change would dramatically improve their adult gaming experience?

It feels like the main feature they desire is whipping. If not, why so much discussion of how whipping works.

 

I get the sense that the slavery mod they should be using is SD+ or Slaverun. Both of those are going to bring more problems than DFC or SLTR but as I'm not sure whether the issue here is functionality or stability ... these lumps of toxic dissatisfaction being dumped into forum after forum aren't able to achieve anything.

 

 

Maybe shiagwen should be using SD+, rather than using a mod that is far from the right one for their needs and kinks and then complaining bitterly about how that inappropriately selected mod doesn't provide for their needs and kinks! Then they could go and camp on the SD+ forum and bring up all the issues in SD+ they want fixed, with at least some possibility of it ever being the mod they want. Or if not SD+, clearly some other mod than the ones they have tried so far. They seem happy with PoP too ... well that works great with SD+. Perfect.

 

 

Instead of dismissing mods with throw-away statements, how about a description of the end-state that is desired, with some kind of importance or priority attached to features?

Then there might be some idea whether these posts - which seem only tangentially related to SexLab Survival - can ever lead anywhere useful.

 

 

When shiagwen went on a (totally off topic) rant about DFC here, and about how they had a list of awesome ideas to improve adult mods, I asked them to post on the DFC forum. I did get the complaints repeated there, but I didn't get the useful information I needed to actually resolve their bug, which came from others. Nor did I ever see any of these ideas about how to improve the mod, or if I did, I didn't recognize them as a novel suggestion.

 

@shiagwen, if you have ideas, post them, but this repeated griping and complaining is getting in the way of real progress. The constructive part is totally absent from your constructive criticism.

Thank you for your engagement, Lupine. its good to discuss things rather than ignoring each other.

as i said, english is not my language,  so i dont know how my school english sound in your ears and eyes. this is one reason why i never get deeper into ck and modding, translating the guides alone would be an enormous effort. i did a lot of small mods with big use for myself

 

about my experience with mofs that result in not using them anymore. that is as it is. and you can believe me, these are not single and easy experiences. it takes hours andd days reinstall and that all.  because i liked some parts of it, want a feature, and get frustrated when a technical bug or a content ruins that mod for me. 

sometimes important patches are hidden in the forum, like slaverun. sometimes good features become annoying after some playtime. etc.

 

for sanguine debouchery skyrimLL undertook a de-whipping at the time when he added his dialogue mod to it and made death alternative a requirement.  there were hard discussions between me and him but he did what he liked. i didnt care for that mod since years. now you name it when it comes to whipping mods, well, that wasnst the case when i dealt with it.

it is not that whipping is my favour. is it one feature for bdsm and slavery mods, and it is handled not sufficient.  because zaz was not part of sexlab, there  was never an attempt to integrate it. same with other features of zaz like watersports and milking. (now dont come with miliking economy please,  plus the millking machine does not support hdt)

 

dfc and pops utility mod, and slfame, are mods where i dont come clear with most parts of the mcm. i simply dont know how to handle that and what some sliders or disablers mean. i am studied architect with highschool and university. so this comes because the mcm is not sufficient explained. there is more knowledge behind than given in the mcm or mods description.

 

Finally it is all up to the animations.  story and dialogues have their effect when reading it first time, but become secondary afterwards. 

my best results including sex animations  in skyrim full game is this :

adding prostitution career in steps of 100 clients / 200 encounters per rank, divided into 3 subranks with 33 clients / 66 encounters. the additional gold on the one hand uses trainers to deploy perk points on the other hand. so new money comes in and out. restrict looting to need only. Adventuring during daytime, prostitution during nighttime. timescale 5.

 

1, Novice  Hooker

start prostition with vaginal and oral sex only, a streetwalker with animations from leito and nibbles, ayasato..

after a number of clients and sex encounters from defeat, solution etc. anal sex comes in,

then she becomes a slut in skooma dens, she already needs it

2. Apprentice Prostitute

then a more comfortable service with foreplays, animation from anub and billy joins the game

then femdom,

then lady bizarre, as possible animations from maria eden and rohzima gives that theme.

3. Adept Whore

then she becomes a callgirl, using radiuant prostitutions home visits, 

then threesomes in taverns and clubs, using maria eden or cursed loot solicitation

then complete gangbangs in taverns and clubs, using cursed loot rape or random sex.

4. Expert Bitch

after that the bitch comes with dogs and horse,

then the beastmaster, animal mansion may do it and fuckingthrough dungeons of falmer and draugr, spiders and chaurus, etc

then the witch with dremora and ghosts, magic animations

5. Master Slave

then she becomes a bdsm modell with zaz furnitures and whipping, highest prices

raising that in front of the jarls court as concubine

closing the list as a slave. i tried to convince inte to create alternative ways how to go into the "prisonship", having the movie Story of 0 in mind, but no

6. Grandmaster Sissy

futa comes in temple of dibella, the priestess are the only futas in game until then, the gift of dibella is the schlong. that stops the further development as whore for a while or starting the dibella quest when slave has reached the numbers.

 

this program uses not only all the animations from all the moddeers, but especially those done unsufficient and using large mods for a small part of it, like maria eden, cursed loot and slaverun.

 

the other way would play without prostituion, using defeat, solution, confabulation survival effects only, would be sufficient for a skyrim game.

or a game as a slave from the beginning, but therefore this theme lacks solid mods. i often tried that and ended always in gamebreaking bugs.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, shiagwen said:

skyrimLL undertook a de-whipping at the time

I'm guessing that was because the implementation of it was not working well?

I don't know, or don't recall that happening. It can't have been like that for too long.

Spoiler

 

I played SD+ fairly recently, and there was quite a bit of whipping, and more aggressive language than you find in many mods, rape as punishment, forced restraints as punishment and so on. It's relatively hardcore. Not Slaverun, that is true, but it does depend on your master type. Some are quite placid, others genuinely intend to kill you for their amusement.

 

Whether SD+ is very playable is another matter. I always found the master's attempts to path around Skyrim ended badly, and if you aren't in control of the navigation it's terrible. Too much is tied to the regard stat, which can often be difficult to raise because you can't access the required offerings for the master. Clearly, Deepbluefrog has no problem with these aspects, so it may well be I am just playing it wrong somehow! (Seriously). It's possible. Also, the mod keep changing in subtle ways, and I haven't played a serious enslavement in it using the latest version, only the one before latest. I have used the latest, but only to visit Sanguine and be his slave for a little bit, and that's not representative.

 

 

Watersports (such a delicate euphemism) are not well supported in Skyrim mods, but that can best be attributed to the engine not being suited to it.

A few mods give a nod to it, but I agree there isn't much, and there could easily be more.

If you asked "could there be a human toilet deal in DFC?" I'd say, "Find me an oral animation that looks like it would work for that."

There may well be such an animation. Or not. 

 

The obstacle to spanking was finding animations, and once enough good ones were found, I put it in.

 

I can imagine it fitting into SLS too. I don't know where Monoman sits on drinking pee, but if cum is fine, why not pee?

It certainly gives meaning to the phrase, "Now everyone knows you will swallow anything."

 

Spoiler

 

For DFC's MCM, if there are values you cannot understand, you can easily ask about them on the forum.

I try hard to explain them as clearly as possible, but there is limited space in tooltips, and that may not work for a non-native speaker, or even a native speaker who doesn't know enough about the mod. There is now an in-MCM help page in DFC too, plus a play guide on my blog that links off the front page. So, I am always ready to improve those, and if there's something you don't get, just ask.  I started working hard on this because of the case where people misunderstood the ability to buy a room just for your follower in inns.

 

 

For your idea about prostitution, I agree prostitution needs a better mod that is built around selected animations, not just making the player do all the work to sort and pick animations. I also agree with an approach where you learn skills and unlock animations. There are other features I want to include too. I have spoken about making such a mod of a few occasions. I wish I could just magically make it happen, but I am slow at getting work done, and limited in the time I can spend on it. I started a mod with some of those ideas a long time ago, but it's been abandoned due to other things taking over. I don't know if I will ever start doing that again, but it's possible. 

 

The best thing of course is to put in effort and learn to create. It doesn't require much reading of English to make animations for example, or make 3D models. I also imagine there are tutorials for basic modding in a lot of languages, and once you are started, there's not much documentation that's any help anyway. You have to look at mods to see how things are really done.

[Sorrow_421]

22 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Open Mouth Mod v1.0 For SL Utility+ 15-March-2021.7z 43.68 kB · 8 downloads

 

Try this but I make no guarantee of anything. 

It works but the mouth still closes, I guess until or if Osmelmc  wants to make it compatible no Ahegao face. It's ok thank you for even taking the time!

[Monoman1]

10 hours ago, Sorrow_421 said:

It works but the mouth still closes, I guess until or if Osmelmc  wants to make it compatible no Ahegao face. It's ok thank you for even taking the time!

Unfortunately expressions is a highly contentious area and mods can fight each other. Without some kind of tool for us to use (wink wink, nudge nudge @YouKnowWhoYouAre), at some point you might just have to choose which expression mod you want to use. Luckily there's at least a toggle in SLS. I'll install Utility and see what happens. But I won't be able to do this for a while right now. 

13 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

why not pee?

Not really my thing. Plus as said there's no good way to do it. Can't think of any game that has good liquid physics. And you want to do this in bethesda game.....? All you could do is messagebox('x pissed on your face'). OOoooh. Immersive! 

 

But again. It's not my thing. Even the porn ads on this site put me off with all the "squirting"

 

17 hours ago, Fulanoo said:

is the Block Magic toggle from Pickpocket and Dismemberment supposed to work when the amputation was triggered by another mod?
I used the Amputation Framework own menu to remove PC's left arm and I can still equip and use spells on the left hand.

It should. I'd have to check it out. 

20 hours ago, PInute said:

 

I nearly made it to the end last year, only because, one, I spell purge as PURGE, two, the stars were in alignment, and three, I resisted the urge to add a mod for a very long time. Don't be me, and pray for help.

I've never had much trouble with slaverun. But then it's been in my load order forever and I don't really play the story. 

Perhaps I'd see some major difference if I uninstalled it.....?

[Monoman1]

22 hours ago, Fulanoo said:

Got it, do you know about any mod that does it automatically (with line of sight)?

Mmmm. Between the script hit, LOS weirdness and general problems when applying the cover animation at the wrong time causing you to get stuck, I don't think this would work all that well for what it would bring. 

 

SLS's approach is to encourage you to cover yourself manually. I think covering yourself decreases willpower hits from events like getting spanked etc.

More ideas to encourage you to cover yourself are welcome. 

[Guest AthenaESIV]

6 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Not really my thing. Plus as said there's no good way to do it. Can't think of any game that has good liquid physics. And you want to do this in bethesda game.....? All you could do is messagebox('x pissed on your face'). OOoooh. Immersive! 

 

 

The only game that even handles 3d cum well that I've seen is Wild Life

https://www.xvideos.com/video45043777/fat_man_sex_wit_tanya_wild_life_game_fat_man_sex_wit_tanya_wild_life_game_part_2

(at the end of this video, only chose this one because it's kinda funny)

 

It's far from perfect, but if that game accomplishes anything, it at least raised the bar for 3d game cumshots, if that's like a thing there is a competition for.

[Guest AthenaESIV]

14 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

SLS's approach is to encourage you to cover yourself manually. I think covering yourself decreases willpower hits from events like getting spanked etc.

More ideas to encourage you to cover yourself are welcome. 

 

It's the best approach. Manual control of immersive nsfw stuff is the best way imo. Stuff like that is always fun to have in the game, but I really don't like when more and more mods run monitoring scripts that are stacking into the mix and making performance a slog.

 

What I hope we see someday is using manual controls like 'cover yourself' will add the dragonborn to a faction which can unlock dialogs... Say for the cover yourself option, if you speak with a guard while in said faction, they will demand the PC stop covering herself or she will be punished. 

 

Could be applied in numerous areas, I think something like that is already used by a couple of mods for being cum covered. Dialogs reacting to stuff like that is always what makes it good, and in my experience it is something SLS has always done phenomenally well without being a huge performance hog.

[Nymra]

12 minutes ago, AthenaESIV said:

 

The only game that even handles 3d cum well that I've seen is Wild Life

https://www.xvideos.com/video45043777/fat_man_sex_wit_tanya_wild_life_game_fat_man_sex_wit_tanya_wild_life_game_part_2

(at the end of this video, only chose this one because it's kinda funny)

 

It's far from perfect, but if that game accomplishes anything, it at least raised the bar for 3d game cumshots, if that's like a thing there is a competition for.

 

hmm, wouldnt it be possible to create a custom thing for this? I mean there is already pissing in the game that follows gravity and the cumshots from Cumshot mod also look quite nice, hmm. 
I mean, in theory it should be possible to combine two effects (a colorless zaz pee and a projectile from cumshot at the same time) to achieve a similar effect like in the video. 
what bothers me most with that is timing and lenght and "pulse": meaning it should not just be a constant stream...

Hah, damn, so many things to improve
While I think skyrim looks alot better than what I see in that Wildlife, hmm. 

[Nymra]

21 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

SLS's approach is to encourage you to cover yourself manually. I think covering yourself decreases willpower hits from events like getting spanked etc.

More ideas to encourage you to cover yourself are welcome. 

 

Hmm, I would love if "covering myself" would add a certain chance that I am not seen as naked (by mods that look for it, like SLS, but also Sexlab Adventures or Naked Dungeons). 
But then it should also come at a price or it is just cheap.

Meaning when I cover myself I can not draw weapons or interact with anything. That would make it interesting to use stuff in cities (like doors) because when you use the door, you would be 100% naked again. 
Another thing would be to prevent sprinting while covering yourself. With the usualy boob size that would be impossible to manage while running

God, I cant wait to be done with Naked Defeat... I wanna play again and Sexlab Survival is the first mod that will be explored with all the new features!

[Monoman1]

14 minutes ago, AthenaESIV said:

What I hope we see someday is using manual controls like 'cover yourself' will add the dragonborn to a faction which can unlock dialogs... Say for the cover yourself option, if you speak with a guard while in said faction, they will demand the PC stop covering herself or she will be punished. 

Yea. I had something like this planned for my (shelved) follower domme mod. 

[Monoman1]

 

16 minutes ago, Nymra said:

God, I cant wait to be done with Naked Defeat... I wanna play again

My advice is to make the time. Too much time spent developing is counter-productive in the long run.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Nymra said:

I cant wait to be done with Naked Defeat...

Trust me. You're never done. Take a break when you want to take one.

[Nymra]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

 

My advice is to make the time. Too much time spent developing is counter-productive in the long run.

 

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

Trust me. You're never done. Take a break when you want to take one.

 

yeah, you are both right. 

Its just I did not play Skyrim for months because I could not make Naked Defeat work like it should.

Now it does and it is just mind blowing for me. Now I can finally build all the other mods in the profile around it. 
That is what motivates me. 

But yeah, now that it is working so well it is time to take a step back and really play. The struggle is real

[Fulanoo]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

It should. I'd have to check it out. 

Ok

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Mmmm. Between the script hit, LOS weirdness and general problems when applying the cover animation at the wrong time causing you to get stuck, I don't think this would work all that well for what it would bring. 

 

SLS's approach is to encourage you to cover yourself manually. I think covering yourself decreases willpower hits from events like getting spanked etc.

More ideas to encourage you to cover yourself are welcome. 

Gonna stick with the SLS's approach then. I think it also impacts willpower on catcalls (not sure)
Maybe covering yourself could count as not naked (count as Slooty)? Idk if that's really doable and/or worth it.

On another note, I questioned on the Spank That Ass thread about having an option to add NPCs to

a non-spank list (maybe through a new faction that we could just add any NPC we want to it? Idk what'd be the best way to do it codewise)
and I guess that would also fit here (for the proximity spanks). Would that be possible?

[Monoman1]

34 minutes ago, Fulanoo said:

On another note, I questioned on the Spank That Ass thread about having an option to add NPCs to

a non-spank list (maybe through a new faction that we could just add any NPC we want to it? Idk what'd be the best way to do it codewise)
and I guess that would also fit here (for the proximity spanks). Would that be possible?

Yea there kind of is a faction. I added it in the beta. There's... problems though. It's in SLS. There's a.... weird relationship between SLS and STA. STA handles some kinds of spanks and STA handles other kinds of spanks. If I put the faction in one mod I can't run GetInFaction checks in the other mod without making it a master.... So for the moment I'm a bit stuck. 

 

There's an option in the SLS debug menu to disallow spanks on Npcs. This includes proximity spanks and hello comments (SLS) but not bump or furniture spanks (STA). I guess I could just make one faction in each mod and add the npc to both. Seems a little wasteful. 

[Herowynne]

24 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

There's a.... weird relationship between SLS and STA. STA handles some kinds of spanks and STA handles other kinds of spanks.

 

I'm reluctant to ask, but here goes...

 

Maybe sometime in the future freeze the standalone STA, leaving it as-is for users who don't want SLS, merge the STA functionality back into SLS, and only improve the combined mod going forward?

 

That would benefit users who use both STA and SLS -- we could reduce our ESP count by 1.

[Monoman1]

23 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

 

I'm reluctant to ask, but here goes...

 

Maybe sometime in the future freeze the standalone STA, leaving it as-is for users who don't want SLS, merge the STA functionality back into SLS, and only improve the combined mod going forward?

 

That would benefit users who use both STA and SLS -- we could reduce our ESP count by 1.

I'm amazed. Its been 25mins and you haven't been attacked for this statement yet ?

[Herowynne]

11 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I'm amazed. Its been 25mins and you haven't been attacked for this statement yet ?

Well, I was not trying to be mean to folks that don’t use SLS, but I admit that I am a huge fan of SLS and I have a keen desire for SLS development to continue as smoothly as possible.