Devious Devices - Integration 4.3a (2019-09-10)

[bicobus]

@Nazzzgul666 my answer is posted on the dev thread. You're welcomed to do the same (for consistency (and for the horde!)).

[Punga]

So colorful​.

 

Say, how about a link to the dev thread.

 

See Bicobus's post above for the link. 

 

Edit,

But I wouldn't go there, it's just full of "DD Team" self importance ego BS. 

 

What I got from the discussion as of late is, "... even though DDi is a framework (and it should bring mods to work together) we will treat it as a regular personal mod (like DCL) and if people don't like it they can go suck a dick. Also, if people do not agree with our changes and decisions, that construdes a hostile environment for us (DD Team) and we will tell them to go fuck FUCK themselves.... THE DD TEAM HAS SPOKEN! "

 

Something like that, I am paraphrasing of course. 

[tuxagent7]

It's perception... i didnt get that from the DD Team and i  read the same thread

 

Ill go back to lurking, the shadows call for me

[pinky6225]

 

So colorful​.

 

Say, how about a link to the dev thread.

 

See Bicobus's post above for the link. 

 

Edit,

But I wouldn't go there, it's just full of "DD Team" self importance ego BS. 

 

What I got from the discussion as of late is, "... even though DDi is a framework (and it should bring mods to work together) we will treat it as a regular personal mod (like DCL) and if people don't like it they can go suck a dick. Also, if people do not agree with our changes and decisions, that construdes a hostile environment for us (DD Team) and we will tell them to go fuck FUCK themselves.... THE DD TEAM HAS SPOKEN! "

 

Something like that, I am paraphrasing of course. 

 

 

Bit exaggerated dude, they've decided to focus on modders and not users which is understandable but kind of ignores that every available DD mod doesn't have an active author to champion there side of the framework

 

Personally i feel some of the reasoning - i.e. i dont understand that playstyle so i'm going to remove the ability/make harder isn't what i would have hoped for but better we have a updated framework that some enjoy than a non-updated framework, peeps that do have a playstyle that coincidences with the authors sound like they are in for a treat

[Whizkid]

 

So colorful​.

 

Say, how about a link to the dev thread.

 

See Bicobus's post above for the link. 

 

Edit,

But I wouldn't go there, it's just full of "DD Team" self importance ego BS. 

 

What I got from the discussion as of late is, "... even though DDi is a framework (and it should bring mods to work together) we will treat it as a regular personal mod (like DCL) and if people don't like it they can go suck a dick. Also, if people do not agree with our changes and decisions, that construdes a hostile environment for us (DD Team) and we will tell them to go fuck FUCK themselves.... THE DD TEAM HAS SPOKEN! "

 

Something like that, I am paraphrasing of course. 

 

u are full of shit and bs, i believe the benefit of doubt should be given to the dd team since they are trying to move forward, but just sniping from the side lines and it's do darn easy to complains and bitch about things u disagree, whilst the dd team is trying their best to move forward after all we are human and mistakes will be made..

[Punga]

 

 

So colorful​.

 

Say, how about a link to the dev thread.

 

See Bicobus's post above for the link. 

 

Edit,

But I wouldn't go there, it's just full of "DD Team" self importance ego BS. 

 

What I got from the discussion as of late is, "... even though DDi is a framework (and it should bring mods to work together) we will treat it as a regular personal mod (like DCL) and if people don't like it they can go suck a dick. Also, if people do not agree with our changes and decisions, that construdes a hostile environment for us (DD Team) and we will tell them to go fuck FUCK themselves.... THE DD TEAM HAS SPOKEN! "

 

Something like that, I am paraphrasing of course. 

 

u are full of shit and bs, i believe the benefit of doubt should be given to the dd team since they are trying to move forward, but just sniping from the side lines and it's do darn easy to complains and bitch about things u disagree, whilst the dd team is trying their best to move forward after all we are human and mistakes will be made..

 

 

Why the personal attack? Are you sure you want to take this thread in that direction? 

[Whizkid]

 

 

 

So colorful​.

 

Say, how about a link to the dev thread.

 

See Bicobus's post above for the link. 

 

Edit,

But I wouldn't go there, it's just full of "DD Team" self importance ego BS. 

 

What I got from the discussion as of late is, "... even though DDi is a framework (and it should bring mods to work together) we will treat it as a regular personal mod (like DCL) and if people don't like it they can go suck a dick. Also, if people do not agree with our changes and decisions, that construdes a hostile environment for us (DD Team) and we will tell them to go fuck FUCK themselves.... THE DD TEAM HAS SPOKEN! "

 

Something like that, I am paraphrasing of course. 

 

u are full of shit and bs, i believe the benefit of doubt should be given to the dd team since they are trying to move forward, but just sniping from the side lines and it's do darn easy to complains and bitch about things u disagree, whilst the dd team is trying their best to move forward after all we are human and mistakes will be made..

 

 

Why the personal attack? Are you sure you want to take this thread in that direction? 

 

i apologise for my choice of words, but i read all the exchanges and imo i fully support the dd team as they are the ones doing all the hard work on their own free and precious time, imo it's easy to criticise after all words is cheap you do not have to put in any effort and its so easy to bash someone's hardwork.

 

things would not have gotten here, if they were on the dd team and it would have been an internal issue and a fucking public spat..., thats my point!!!

[Veladarius]

 

 

 

 

So colorful​.

 

Say, how about a link to the dev thread.

 

See Bicobus's post above for the link. 

 

Edit,

But I wouldn't go there, it's just full of "DD Team" self importance ego BS. 

 

What I got from the discussion as of late is, "... even though DDi is a framework (and it should bring mods to work together) we will treat it as a regular personal mod (like DCL) and if people don't like it they can go suck a dick. Also, if people do not agree with our changes and decisions, that construdes a hostile environment for us (DD Team) and we will tell them to go fuck FUCK themselves.... THE DD TEAM HAS SPOKEN! "

 

Something like that, I am paraphrasing of course. 

 

u are full of shit and bs, i believe the benefit of doubt should be given to the dd team since they are trying to move forward, but just sniping from the side lines and it's do darn easy to complains and bitch about things u disagree, whilst the dd team is trying their best to move forward after all we are human and mistakes will be made..

 

 

Why the personal attack? Are you sure you want to take this thread in that direction? 

 

i apologise for my choice of words, but i read all the exchanges and imo i fully support the dd team as they are the ones doing all the hard work on their own free and precious time, imo it's easy to criticise after all words is cheap you do not have to put in any effort and its so easy to bash someone's hardwork.

 

things would not have gotten here, if they were on the dd team and it would have been an internal issue and a fucking public spat..., thats my point!!!

 

 

I was part of the DD dev team from the start and at that time it consisted of Zadil, Min and myself so I have every right to give my opinions on the direction the mod is going in. They wanted opinions so I gave mine as both a modder and player, yes I was rather obstinate on some things but that is only because of how strongly I support DD and  how strongly I felt about the changes being made and how they would impact the player's experience by limiting their choices in how they wanted to experience DD (I had no issues with the abilities they were giving the modders).

 

As for this being a 'public spat' Kimy ended the private discussion between all of the developers and made it public so there was no way to discuss it privately among the various developers otherwise this would have taken place there.

 

As for not contributing I fixed the issue between open back belts and plugs and gave them the new script and informed them that there were some issues with the inflatable plugs that kept them from being removed properly.

 

 

At this point I am taking a 'wait and see' stance as far as supporting the next release. From what I have seen changes needed to update my mods would be minimal. I am hoping that it is something that I feel I can support and things are looking more positive at this point in time.

[PaddyBoy18]

 

Ok i have a little technical problem.

Recently i updated sexlab from 161 to 162 and also updated devious devices from older version( i believe version 2? dont remember exactly.)

And after that several classes of item just stopped working. I speak mostly about bras,belts. They appear in inventory and are counted as equipped BUT they are not seen on character.

There is also a second issue: gloves make hands dissapear (((

What can be the source of such problems?

Before update everything was perfectly fine.

did you build the meshes in bodyslide its required now

 

any idea what would cause this issue with unp?

[El_Duderino]

any idea what would cause this issue with unp?

 

 

Probably the same thing, you need to use Bodyslide to create the models for the items, no matter which body you are using in your game. There's a Bodyslide preset for UNP, too (well, techincally it's "UUNP - UNP", but it's close enough I think). And dozens more in the CBBE and UUNP families.

[Code Serpent]

Is there a way to reset a device's scripts?

 

I've encountered an issue where blindfolds equipped by Cursed Loot become bugged, and equipping the inventory device does nothing; the only way to remove the model device is through console commands. Once I try this, then no other blindfolds work at all.

[Veladarius]

Is there a way to reset a device's scripts?

 

I've encountered an issue where blindfolds equipped by Cursed Loot become bugged, and equipping the inventory device does nothing; the only way to remove the model device is through console commands. Once I try this, then no other blindfolds work at all.

 

I believe the error would be on one of two levels, the device level or in the main scripts. If you are trying to use the same device that was bugged earlier then toss it and get another, if it is a different device then it is at the main script level. If it is at the main script level you can try setting the blindfold to a different mode then back to the one you normally use, hopefully this will reset its functions. If that does not work then it may be that you have bigger errors lurking in your log that are causing issues with the DD items.

 

If you are using the beta version it may be an issue there and should report it on the beta thread.

[wookiee27]

Is DDI the mod that blocks arousal decrease from sex with an open belt equipped? If it is how would one go about tweaking that?

[Veladarius]

Is DDI the mod that blocks arousal decrease from sex with an open belt equipped? If it is how would one go about tweaking that?

 

Not without getting deeper into DDi's scripts. From what I understand if your anal experience get to a certain level (rather high) you can orgasm during anal sex but I have not gotten to that point with a character.

[Kimy]

Is there a way to reset a device's scripts?

 

I've encountered an issue where blindfolds equipped by Cursed Loot become bugged, and equipping the inventory device does nothing; the only way to remove the model device is through console commands. Once I try this, then no other blindfolds work at all.

 

If the device worked fine at first and then doesn't anymore, it's -very- often a result of changing the load order mid-playthrough (which one should NEVER!!! do.)

 

If the device was bugged from the get-go, a log would be helpful.

[Code Serpent]

 

I believe the error would be on one of two levels, the device level or in the main scripts. If you are trying to use the same device that was bugged earlier then toss it and get another, if it is a different device then it is at the main script level. If it is at the main script level you can try setting the blindfold to a different mode then back to the one you normally use, hopefully this will reset its functions. If that does not work then it may be that you have bigger errors lurking in your log that are causing issues with the DD items.

 

If you are using the beta version it may be an issue there and should report it on the beta thread.

 

 

 

 

If the device worked fine at first and then doesn't anymore, it's -very- often a result of changing the load order mid-playthrough (which one should NEVER!!! do.)

 

If the device was bugged from the get-go, a log would be helpful.

 

 

Ok, I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I managed to fix it by using the Cursed Loot safeword function. After the blindfold was removed that way, new blindfolds I used did seem to work.

 

I have encountered this issue before in another playthrough; a blindfold was equipped by cursed loot, and the inventory device simply did nothing. I unfortunately don't have any of the logs left.

[Veladarius]

For those that play beast races or orcs, male or female, there is a mod with the gags and collars for them: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/81274-devious-devices-beast-race-refits-orcs/

[bicobus]

Can't we get those into DDi by default? Or do beast races enter into the realm of bestiality and is pretty weird based on laws and stuff?

[Kimy]

Can't we get those into DDi by default? Or do beast races enter into the realm of bestiality and is pretty weird based on laws and stuff?

 

I was never contacted by any of the people involved in this project, so I assume there is/was no interest in getting the models into the framework. That nobody in the DD team has any desire to work on certain content (we didn't in this case) doesn't automatically mean we're opposed to adding it, if someone contributes it.

[Veladarius]

 

Can't we get those into DDi by default? Or do beast races enter into the realm of bestiality and is pretty weird based on laws and stuff?

 

I was never contacted by any of the people involved in this project, so I assume there is/was no interest in getting the models into the framework. That nobody in the DD team has any desire to work on certain content (we didn't in this case) doesn't automatically mean we're opposed to adding it, if someone contributes it.

 

 

I worked with him on this and he preferred to release it himself. I was able to get him to do male versions of the items to support DD for Him as well. At this point I think the only basic device not made for beast races is the blindfolds.

[bicobus]

A blindfolded Khajiit probably would lose its mind if I base my observations on my cats playing with my bedsheets. Anyhow third party plugin isn't too bad, I'll need to watch the esp count though.

[Skullered]

 

 

Can't we get those into DDi by default? Or do beast races enter into the realm of bestiality and is pretty weird based on laws and stuff?

 

I was never contacted by any of the people involved in this project, so I assume there is/was no interest in getting the models into the framework. That nobody in the DD team has any desire to work on certain content (we didn't in this case) doesn't automatically mean we're opposed to adding it, if someone contributes it.

 

 

I worked with him on this and he preferred to release it himself. I was able to get him to do male versions of the items to support DD for Him as well. At this point I think the only basic device not made for beast races is the blindfolds.

 

I wouldn't be against adding the meshes officially, but the last time someone proposed adding beast race meshes into DDa, it got canned and forgotten about, with no clear explanation as to why.

 

[Veladarius]

 

 

 

Can't we get those into DDi by default? Or do beast races enter into the realm of bestiality and is pretty weird based on laws and stuff?

 

I was never contacted by any of the people involved in this project, so I assume there is/was no interest in getting the models into the framework. That nobody in the DD team has any desire to work on certain content (we didn't in this case) doesn't automatically mean we're opposed to adding it, if someone contributes it.

 

 

I worked with him on this and he preferred to release it himself. I was able to get him to do male versions of the items to support DD for Him as well. At this point I think the only basic device not made for beast races is the blindfolds.

 

I wouldn't be against adding the meshes officially, but the last time someone proposed adding beast race meshes into DDa, it got canned and forgotten about, with no clear explanation as to why.

 

 

 

We didn't have a modeler at the time was interested in making the meshes, same went for male support.

[Skullered]

 

 

 

 

Can't we get those into DDi by default? Or do beast races enter into the realm of bestiality and is pretty weird based on laws and stuff?

 

I was never contacted by any of the people involved in this project, so I assume there is/was no interest in getting the models into the framework. That nobody in the DD team has any desire to work on certain content (we didn't in this case) doesn't automatically mean we're opposed to adding it, if someone contributes it.

 

 

I worked with him on this and he preferred to release it himself. I was able to get him to do male versions of the items to support DD for Him as well. At this point I think the only basic device not made for beast races is the blindfolds.

 

I wouldn't be against adding the meshes officially, but the last time someone proposed adding beast race meshes into DDa, it got canned and forgotten about, with no clear explanation as to why.

 

 

 

We didn't have a modeler at the time was interested in making the meshes, same went for male support.

 

 

I was referring to this post that someone made in the assets thread, showing off a screenshot of them having created a mesh for Khajiit. Which is what Min may have referred to when releasing version 2.9.1 of DDi.

[bicobus]

Sometimes contributors drop out or gives up, I assume it to be the case here.