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[NCK30]

45 minutes ago, Evaloves4 said:

> Although I don't play Syrim and never used your mods, I saw what animations you've done and I liked it. I am very sorry that you are leaving the forum. I wish you to stay. I doubt those threats were serious although I do not take any threat lightly. Anyhow, as many people say. I say too: PLEASE, STAY!

 

I will be a mod user for some time now. Let's see how it plays out.

 

I did not delete thousands of hours of work at a whim. This has been coming for some time.

 

I wish You well...

 

Edited January 8, 2025 by NCK30

[travelmedic]

Just thinking out loud here, not sure if this idea is possible, or desirable...

 

Nexus has "The Caretaker" system, where Nexus takes over some mods that the original author doesn't want to support anymore, but wants to leave it for others to enjoy.  Is something like that feasible here on LL?  There is one Caretaker account, or maybe one Caretaker per major game (Caretaker Skyrim SE, Caretaker Skyrim LE, Caretaker Sims 4, etc) where these mods could be left anonymously.  It would be understood by users that no further support would be offered, and understood by the original authors that transferring their mods to the Caretaker would be giving blanket permission for others to use the assets to update the mods themselves down the road.  Maybe this could be limited to work that has been posted and supported for a certain time period, to make sure the original authors had a chance to work any bugs out first.

 

I hate to see all the good work that so many talented people have done go for naught when it could at least be lumped into an anonymous account.

[Psalam]

39 minutes ago, travelmedic said:

Just thinking out loud here, not sure if this idea is possible, or desirable...

 

Nexus has "The Caretaker" system, where Nexus takes over some mods that the original author doesn't want to support anymore, but wants to leave it for others to enjoy.  Is something like that feasible here on LL?  There is one Caretaker account, or maybe one Caretaker per major game (Caretaker Skyrim SE, Caretaker Skyrim LE, Caretaker Sims 4, etc) where these mods could be left anonymously.  It would be understood by users that no further support would be offered, and understood by the original authors that transferring their mods to the Caretaker would be giving blanket permission for others to use the assets to update the mods themselves down the road.  Maybe this could be limited to work that has been posted and supported for a certain time period, to make sure the original authors had a chance to work any bugs out first.

 

I hate to see all the good work that so many talented people have done go for naught when it could at least be lumped into an anonymous account.

Historically, that has been handled here by individuals, not the Site Administration. Many, if not most, of my favorite LL mods for Skyrim fit this category - favorites like ZAP, Devious Devices, Paradise Halls, Simple Slavery, Sanguine's Debauchery, and the list goes on.

[DoctaSax]

4 hours ago, travelmedic said:

It would be understood by users that no further support would be offered, and understood by the original authors that transferring their mods to the Caretaker would be giving blanket permission for others to use the assets to update the mods themselves down the road.

 

I don't think that last bit is how it works on Nexus. Typically, open-perms mods wouldn't need rescuing by such a holding account because they'd already be able to be modified or re-uploaded. Mods offered to the caretaker are typically closed-perms - and although some authors relax their restrictions a little when they offer them up, I can only imagine the headaches establishing a system where they are 'understood' to be more open-perms instead of being explicitly made so by the author.

[renferal]

18 hours ago, NCK30 said:

 

I will be a mod user for some time now. Let's see how it plays out.

 

I did not delete thousands of hours of work at a whim. This has been coming for some time.

 

I wish You well...

 

 

That's fucking crazy. I was just planning to use some of those animations in a blog post for a chapter in the story I am writing, but now they're gone forever...

Can't say I blame you though. Take care NCK30.

[PippinTom]

Am I the only one who, (as a bystander not really affected in particular), sees in a bit bitter way (for which I apologize in advance) - sometimes drama is not enough to torment loyal/more or less grateful consumers. Seems like ultimate tool of (self?)destruction is to punish those still following by removing content that they cherish and depend on. Interesting form of contribution, if contribution was really the most important part/goal ever? Can't say I know. I'm just bitter.

 

Don't know either why some has to retire with big bang and leave nothing but burned ground while others can - if they have to - do it without casualties and leave good memories instead of trauma and disappointment?

 

It's not my place to blame you NCK30, but I hope that you will realize one day that you hurt people, mostly those friendly to you and not the rest, by making choices like that.

[Raven 54]

Censored again.....

They yelled and screamed because I like another's comments and I posted a gif of clapping hands, why.

When another user acts like a child, uses all caps to vent their frustration at me, why am I not allowed to tell them they are childish, acting like a child and to go hug their mommy?!

Did you also remove the negative feedback from my profile the said they left me?

I did nothing wrong.

Edited January 9, 2025 by Raven 54

[Ashal]

42 minutes ago, Raven 54 said:

Censored again.....

They yelled and screamed because I like another's comments and I posted a gif of clapping hands, why.

When another user acts like a child, uses all caps to vent their frustration at me, why am I not allowed to tell them they are childish, acting like a child and to go hug their mommy?!

Did you also remove the negative feedback from my profile the said they left me?

I did nothing wrong.

 

Nobody is being "censored." Your thoughts and opinions on the topic are still in the thread and perfectly viewable. An argument happened, and BOTH sides started insulting each other, so the argument was removed to stop the thread from derailing further.

 

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When another user acts like a child, uses all caps to vent their frustration at me, why am I not allowed to tell them they are childish, acting like a child and to go hug their mommy?!

 

"But they started it!" is not a valid excuse for doing the same thing back at them. One person being frustrated and yelling doesn't excuse the other person from also breaking site rules about fighting.

 

 

[Raven 54]

27 minutes ago, Ashal said:

 

Nobody is being "censored." Your thoughts and opinions on the topic are still in the thread and perfectly viewable. An argument happened, and BOTH sides started insulting each other, so the argument was removed to stop the thread from derailing further.

 

 

"But they started it!" is not a valid excuse for doing the same thing back at them. One person being frustrated and yelling doesn't excuse the other person from also breaking site rules about fighting.

 

 

Thank You for taking the time to answer me. 

I do not accept your thought that I was "Fighting" but I guess when you own the platform you can interpret things however you wish.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, craps like a duck, I will call it a duck, plain and simple. 

I did not use any foul language, nor did I go on a tirade leaving PM's like the one I got.

I respect you and the staff here, I might not always agree but I do respect you all.

[steelpanther24]

7 hours ago, PippinTom said:

Am I the only one who, (as a bystander not really affected in particular), sees in a bit bitter way (for which I apologize in advance) - sometimes drama is not enough to torment loyal/more or less grateful consumers. Seems like ultimate tool of (self?)destruction is to punish those still following by removing content that they cherish and depend on. Interesting form of contribution, if contribution was really the most important part/goal ever? Can't say I know. I'm just bitter.

 

Don't know either why some has to retire with big bang and leave nothing but burned ground while others can - if they have to - do it without casualties and leave good memories instead of trauma and disappointment?

 

It's not my place to blame you NCK30, but I hope that you will realize one day that you hurt people, mostly those friendly to you and not the rest, by making choices like that.

A hard lesson I learned was to save the mod files.  Sure, it takes up space, but memory is relatively cheap.  Of course, if the mods you want to keep are already gone, then.... it becomes more difficult, esp if you are rebuilding your mod list after keeping something offline.   As for the ones that choose to take everything with them w/o telling people where to find them or their mods is certainly frustrating and does more harm to the fans than to the detractors, but it does garner attention and discussion.  Truly that is the only real power modders have, wrt the website moderators, is to take that kind of drastic action.   While I dislike what NCK30 did, I understand why and hope it will result in some change in  behavior (of LL users, because I am pretty certain a few moderators swing the ban hammer pretty hard.) 

 

I do not recall which moderator it was, but several years ago, I wanted to publish a radio mod here and the moderator didn't help me but mentioned that it wasn't the sort of thing that this site hosts.   Of course, they were polite, but at the time, I got mad and deleted all my posts.......and the result?  No changes because.....my limited mods were not important enough.  However, I stay here because it is the best.  

 

 

Edited January 9, 2025 by steelpanther24

[NCK30]

7 hours ago, PippinTom said:

Am I the only one who, (as a bystander not really affected in particular), sees in a bit bitter way (for which I apologize in advance) - sometimes drama is not enough to torment loyal/more or less grateful consumers. Seems like ultimate tool of (self?)destruction is to punish those still following by removing content that they cherish and depend on. Interesting form of contribution, if contribution was really the most important part/goal ever? Can't say I know. I'm just bitter.

 

Don't know either why some has to retire with big bang and leave nothing but burned ground while others can - if they have to - do it without casualties and leave good memories instead of trauma and disappointment?

 

It's not my place to blame you NCK30, but I hope that you will realize one day that you hurt people, mostly those friendly to you and not the rest, by making choices like that.

 

Where were those grateful consumers? 

 

Sadly it is only the negative comments I see. Nobody posted a thing on my thread for years.

 

Lately I have been schooled by members with less than 100 posts. In general there is a total disrespect for established Mod Authors on this board.

 

See how our Leader Ashal is being spoken too. Moderators being called lazy by that "tda guy" just a few pages back.

 

 

Death threats was just the last straw for me.

 

 

Bottom line

 

I am still here. I am just a mod user now.

[Talesien]

On 1/9/2025 at 4:40 PM, NCK30 said:

Sadly it is only the negative comments I see. Nobody posted a thing on my thread for years.

That sadly enough is a very human thing. We are WAY more likely to speak up if we do not like something than to express our thanks when we are happy with something. Silent majority and all that. You can see that basically everywhere. Like, back when I still played WoW, if you went to the message boards you got the impression that every single class is broken and somehow simultaneously over and underpowered and the game generally unplayable, despite millions of people enjoying it every day.
We are weird like that.

[Ashal]

On 1/9/2025 at 7:40 AM, NCK30 said:

See how our Leader Ashal is being spoken too. Moderators being called lazy by that "tda guy" just a few pages back.

 

And I couldn't be less bothered or less annoyed about it, to be honest. They are arrogant and unreasonable, but that's their problem, not mine.  They lashed out and stated their thoughts, and I responded to them in a way that felt right to me. Now, the situation is over, and I am done with it. There is no point in me engaging further with it because they have shown no room for personal growth or self-reflection. So why should I waste any more thought for them?

 

Usually, we would delete argumentative, toxic, or insulting posts like the ones tda4 gave. But I honestly was just so baffled by how blatantly rude they were that I felt the need to leave it visible as an example of the sort of behavior we don't condone. Everybody's response to their behavior was honestly great; they pushed back against their rudeness and/or tried to help them anyway despite their behavior. I didn't intend for their shittyness to be perceived as any "normal" behavior from users on the site; just the opposite. Frankly, I was the bad one in the end by responding to the insults just to say I would not help them.

 

----

 

As for the people sending death threats and trying to doxx...

 

I can not think of a more backward action for anybody to take as a protest. It doesn't matter what the issue is or even if they are right or wrong; they are literally just making their own point of view indefensible by showcasing their inability to be a functional member of society.  In my experience, responding, engaging, confirming/denying anything they say all just leads to feeding them and encouraging them to push more while validating their behavior. They can waste their time pointlessly all day yelling into the void.

 

And let that be an end to the discussion on the trolls sending death threats. The less they are acknowledged the better. The ones trying to doxx me for daring to defend you or anybody else's right to create and try to protect their own content can go at it all day for all I care. If the site doesn't stand by and defend the people aspiring to create their own content, then what the fuck is even the point of it?

 

 

[travelmedic]

11 hours ago, Ashal said:

Frankly, I was the bad one in the end by responding to the insults just to say I would not help them.

 

 

I disagree.  The only way some people will ever learn is to make them reap what they sow.  So maybe not helping them is the tough love they needed.

 

I don't think it gets said here often enough, but thank you for what you and the moderators do here.  Even if we're like  a dysfunctional family sometimes, there's still a great community here on LL.

[Nikett7]

Why does anyone take seriously what is written on the internet?

[Psalam]

2 hours ago, Nikett7 said:

Why does anyone take seriously what is written on the internet?

Do you really expect someone to answer that?

[BeardedFatCueBall]

It takes only a few negatives to drown out the mass of positives. A notion I sometimes struggle with. 
Although this is unfortunate, but you still have my best wishes NCK30, in all your future endeavours to come.

Edited January 13, 2025 by BeardedFatCueBall

[Guest]

> Would "Wait for "so and so" seconds before posting ..." ever be removed? Are we still under site attack?

Edited January 15, 2025 by Evaloves4

[danna233]

On 1/10/2025 at 1:40 AM, NCK30 said:

I see. Nobody posted a thing on my thread for years.

I was that grateful consumer. And as far as I remember, I left a positive comment.

 

On 1/10/2025 at 1:40 AM, NCK30 said:

Death threats was just the last straw for me.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they were zoophiles who demanded that animations be made for them.

[MadMansGun]

1 hour ago, danna233 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they were zoophiles who demanded that animations be made for them.

wrong fucking tree if they were, only i hold the power to lay a dragon.

 

 

anyways this is getting off topic.

Edited January 15, 2025 by MadMansGun

[Donuts4me]

I just want to say thank you to all the staff, contributors, administrators, moderators, animators and modders that contribute to this site. I've been downloading mods here for just over a year now and have been loving it the whole time. I stumbled upon this forum by accident and was really bummed by the comments on the last few pages.

 

I'm sorry that I did not thank you all sooner! We members do appreciate you and here's to making 2025 a much more fun and positive year!

 

Thanks again!

Edited January 17, 2025 by Donuts4me

[Seeker999]

6 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

I just want to say thank you to all the staff, contributors, administrators, moderators, animators and modders that contribute to this site. I've been downloading mods here for just over a year now and have been loving it the whole time. I stumbled upon this forum by accident and was really bummed by the comments on the last few pages.

 

I'm sorry that I did not thank you all sooner! We members do appreciate you and here's to making 2025 a much more fun and positive year!

 

Thanks again!

This.

[JB.]

17 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

I just want to say thank you to all the staff, contributors, administrators, moderators, animators and modders that contribute to this site. I've been downloading mods here for just over a year now and have been loving it the whole time. I stumbled upon this forum by accident and was really bummed by the comments on the last few pages.

 

I'm sorry that I did not thank you all sooner! We members do appreciate you and here's to making 2025 a much more fun and positive year!

 

Thanks again!

Idem. I don't have enough words to thank them. I don't know if I could handle certain elements looking for notoriety or drama and I honestly don't know how they do it here. It's tiresome and I imagine that more than once they think “why the fuck am I doing this” when the umpteenth edgelord shows up. 

 

It was suggested to me several times to make a Discord and, hell no, what for? For me to spend half my time moderating arguments and facing sociopaths that will make me burn for sure? I have seen several mod authors fall for the same thing. So I wouldn't trade Loverslabs and their team for anything in the world, except for maybe a dinosaur.

 

THANK YOU.

 

[belegost]

8 hours ago, JB. said:

except for maybe a dinosaur.

Want to have your own clever girl?

 

Back to the stuff at hand, I repeat my question:

Is there a way to turn off emoticons?

Edited January 18, 2025 by belegost

[Pamatronic]

15 hours ago, JB. said:

It was suggested to me several times to make a Discord and, hell no, what for?

As someone who has a discord, Personally, I would say it was probably one of the best decisions I ever made in my modding career.
From my own and the Servers from other creators close to me, I would say the Discord is usually the place where your most engaged fans can gather.
You get a whole lot less dumb question then here on LL, and the questions you DO get are usually fairly helpful and can uncover issues in your mod that you weren't even aware of yourself.

And since your audience is more concentrated and focused, you usually dont get many issues between them.
In the three years I had my server, I had to stop arguments maybe 2-3 times when it got too heated.
And even if sociopaths show up, you can just ban them outright, no need for discussions. I never had someone as bad as that, but the option is still there.

 

And on a more general point: If you respect others, they will respect you back.
The "entitlement" issue is something which sometimes really exist on both sides. Sure you have the brainlets who complain about issues with stuff that is provided for free by creators, but you also have the issue with some creators acting like they are goods gift to humanity. (Don't wanna accuse him here, but think of Characters like Arthmoor for example. Just google his name, the result is telling(and funny)).
Sure, this isn't an excuse for death threats, but usually you don't get those unless you actively piss people off. Even I have never gotten any unsolicited shit despite the nature of my content. And I like to believe that's the norm when you simply don't engage in arguments.