Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

24 minutes ago, tinkerbelle said:

For the bees, my copy of the farm just outside of Rorikstead has some bee hives.  Not just a thing hanging on a tree, but pieces of furniture with bees and such.  It might be a mod (I'll check later, but if they are vanilla, maybe those will work better for you.

The spawner for the bees is an invisible thing. I just placed it next to the beehives that I had placed before. (The beehives are from the thieves guild quest)

 

Father takes 10x the value of the items you steal from the pantry. You'll be able to buy them back from him. There's now 3 containers in your room (dresser, chest, end table) and they're all fair game for his compensation too. 

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[Monoman1]

Just now, vassapol said:

being female somehow cause my game to crash plan on fixing that but in a mean time will mod compatible with ferility mode?

Yes I think FM is preferred even for some small reason. 

[Desvati]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Got permission there. Tried to shoehorn the curtain mesh into a moving banner but ended up just mangling the mesh. I'm just not very good or patient when it comes to meshes. 

Revised exposed bedroom...

I'll work on it, no promises it'll work, but I'll give it a shot.

 

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I have none I'm afraid. Someone mentioned having to 'walk' him for a while but it's more of a chore than anything. 

Interesting. My intention was that actually it was father sneaking into your room at night and jacking off all over your face. The PC explains it away as being 'the dog drooling all over her'. It's a precursor to tense sex. Whatever works though

Haha, I remember you mentioning it before, yeah. I meant more that his involvement only extends to that and then being used for sex, otherwise he just sits in a corner.

Perhaps he could contribute to causing messes in the house, a little impromptu change of schedule for the player when the dog suddenly runs amok, not unlike father's drunk state. Potentially, an event where he disturbs the player's sleep, ruining those attempts at getting a good night's rest for those needs mod inclined. Dog walking as a (I guess setting him as a follower and having to walk some arbitrary distance?) chore doesn't sound bad to me, initially it would be similar to chopping firewood, something that doesn't benefit the player a lot, but if you fail to do so Aldo creates a mess, giving you MORE work and pissing off father at the same time. Progressing along it could eventually turn into Aldo trying to proposition you (rubbing up against you) for relief and if you don't give in, Aldo could eventually rape you as an (optional) lead in to future recurring sex with him.

Maybe father tells you to play with him every so often, which could be another time spender against you, that can be replaced with sex later. Could be made to buy his food/toys/treats out of your own pocket too, after all, Father's all tied up 'supplying' for mother. ?

[tinkerbelle]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

The spawner for the bees is an invisible thing. I just placed it next to the beehives that I had placed before. (The beehives are from the thieves guild quest)

 

Father takes 10x the value of the items you steal from the pantry. You'll be able to buy them back from him. There's now 3 containers in your room (dresser, chest, end table) and they're all fair game for his compensation too. 

Ah, turns out the beehives I mentioned were from LiveAnotherLife and placed at ShoalsRestFarm.  Good that you got it worked out.

 

[theprogamer+715]

How do I get the different rooms, I don't have the pantry or anything

[kapibar]

45 minutes ago, theprogamer+715 said:

How do I get the different rooms, I don't have the pantry or anything

Monoman showed what he's working on, this version of mod is not available yet.

[Smutt11]

23 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Yes I think FM is preferred even for some small reason. 

so is fertility mode compatible with wife slave quest? or the father isn't going to acknowledge

 

edit btw is any find it dissapoining with how little adult quest mod for skyrim is? fallout 4 too only have barbarous continent as far as i know

Edited April 28, 2022 by vassapol
i don't want to cluster the thread

[Straze]

I love the concept of the mod but I never gotten far.

i just reach a point very early on where I don’t know what to do.

(Running SD+ but does not trigger).

After waking up in the Basement (right after returning with gold and mother disappeared):

- Father fails to put a collar on you, but quest continues and the PC is enslaved by Father (not SD enslavement).

- Mother is at home amputated 

when I talk to Father, there is only the dialogue option “Father” with some choices; Whipping(fails), punished(fails), Sex and Sex. Last option something like “What will happen to me?”.

 

i don’t get any tasks but he did mention after selecting “What will happen to me”, that people may come in the evening, but they never came.

 

Not sure, but am I missing anything or after waking up in the Basement you will have some standard choices with Father, but no progression (reached the end of this particular story branch)?

 

p.s. I am using SE (Not AE version).

Edited April 28, 2022 by Straze

[Monoman1]

47 minutes ago, Straze said:

I love the concept of the mod but I never gotten far.

i just reach a point very early on where I don’t know what to do.

(Running SD+ but does not trigger).

After waking up in the Basement (right after returning with gold and mother disappeared):

- Father fails to put a collar on you, but quest continues and the PC is enslaved by Father (not SD enslavement).

- Mother is at home amputated 

when I talk to Father, there is only the dialogue option “Father” with some choices; Whipping(fails), punished(fails), Sex and Sex. Last option something like “What will happen to me?”.

 

i don’t get any tasks but he did mention after selecting “What will happen to me”, that people may come in the evening, but they never came.

 

Not sure, but am I missing anything or after waking up in the Basement you will have some standard choices with Father, but no progression (reached the end of this particular story branch)?

 

p.s. I am using SE (Not AE version).

You're getting the wrong outcome from the introduction quest. Be respectful and naive. 

[ZHOUTAO]

666  YES 

[Straze]

9 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

You're getting the wrong outcome from the introduction quest. Be respectful and naive. 

Thank you, will try that. 

Didn’t think you had to, so went more balanced with responses due to her relationship with her father. 

[jc321]

On 4/27/2022 at 4:21 PM, Monoman1 said:

 

Revised exposed bedroom...

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

at some point you could replace both the door and wall with bars? that could also force player to be locked in (at night or for punishment). I know you have the cellar as well but having a visible interaction (as in being able to see father or maybe visitors) with him even making commentary would offset the boredom some people find when they get stuck in furniture's (I mean it is punishment after all). Captured Dreams did this very well I thought, you could watch life go on and you got occasional random(ish) visits.

 

Maybe further down the path it becomes Aldo's room instead.

 

Is there any plans to change the limits as when father is fed up with you and kicks you out? - Seems like a really easy get out .. or at least I can hit it quite quickly (even when I don't want to) and no repercussions. Maybe you could flag your player as being kicked out/where WT has finished and use SLS to penalise them even further. 

 

Updates are looking fantastic, can't wait to play.  Has reminded me to chip again on your 'crappy patreon' and buy you a coffee!

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, jc321 said:

at some point you could replace both the door and wall with bars?

It's certainly another direction. What I had in my mind (which is not concrete) is to turn the home more into a brothel/tavern. 'Customers' would arrive on and it's your job to service them otherwise - unhappy father. Customers could queue upstairs (there's a small mezzanine) or could go and watch you in action at the wall/curtain. Bars don't really say "whore" in my mind. + like you say there's the cellar. 

 

4 hours ago, jc321 said:

Is there any plans to change the limits as when father is fed up with you and kicks you out? - Seems like a really easy get out .. or at least I can hit it quite quickly (even when I don't want to) and no repercussions.

Getting kicked out should: 

Add a bounty in each hold (father is obviously well connected somehow. His past is unclear) (not sure this is working currently)

Mother should die which leads to a 50%, month long experience debuff. (I think. Not tested the ends much at all)

 

But yes. Needs more repercussions. I could maybe have father bar you from licences and then you'd have to bribe one of the quartermasters to allow you to buy licences again for say 10,000 gold or something. But without SLS this is obviously toothless. 

 

I could maybe extend the whore reputation to every hold which would decay slowly over a month say. 

 

[Monoman1]

Btw. I have added a 'debt collection' system to WT. Basically father will randomly approach looking for the debt to be paid. He will take gold from you and from any container in your room (I plan to remove/replace any other functioning container in the home). If you haven't got the gold to cover it then father will begin taking items from you and/or your storage to cover the cost. You will be able to buy back items from him if/when you get more gold. This is obviously a poverty mechanic. But also if he's taking some good stuff then you will probably endeavor to not get kicked out until you get it back. 

 

I've also added a 'rent' system - father will ask for 50 gold per day for keeping a roof over your head. Probably increasing over time to 100 gold per day. This is plugged into the above debt system. 

 

Any other ideas for events that might add random/regular debt? Maybe asking to be released from devices also adds debt as well as costing favour.

[kapibar]

1 minute ago, Monoman1 said:

Bars don't really say "whore" in my mind. + like you say there's the cellar.

 

There are different types of brothels. Bars certainly have a place in this kind of setup.
 

4 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

But without SLS this is obviously toothless.

 

Without SLS pretty much everything you can think of is toothless. SLS is THE mod if you want a harsh Skyrim. Other than that instead of debuffs (which are overplayed) you could add some kind of DD with a nasty effect and a time lock. Why is it better than a simple debuff? For one - it actually explains how everyone is able to recognize and penalize the PC. Also, if someone (like me) uses Deviously Enslaved - having a DD equipped pretty much guarantees stalking and rape. Devices also have something that cannot be overlooked - weight. Set it high enough and it will mess up ability to gather shit. If you're particularly nasty - simply add pet collar as a requirement and equip in on being kicked out (or as a punishment). This little mod can and will make life miserable.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

There are different types of brothels. Bars certainly have a place in this kind of setup.

There are beginning to be a little too many sleeping arrangements to reconcile cleanly anyway. 

 

Sleep in your bed. 

Normal bed/slave bed?

Normal bedroom/Exposed bedroom/barred bedroom?

Get locked into bedroom?

Lock house at night?

Ask for permission to sleep. 

Sleep in the cellar with monsters.

Sleep at the foot of father's bed. 

 

Needs a clear direction/separation of all this before it becomes a confusing mess both for me and users. 

 

 

BTW, placed father's buy back chest in his room so that maybe you could sneak in a steal stuff back but lo & behold ? the chest does not lock either... great. Under the floor it goes. 

Edited April 29, 2022 by Monoman1

[Balgin]

9 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

There are beginning to be a little too many sleeping arrangements to reconcile cleanly anyway. 

 

Sleep in your bed. 

Normal bed/slave bed?

Normal bedroom/Exposed bedroom/barred bedroom?

Get locked into bedroom?

Lock house at night?

Ask for permission to sleep. 

Sleep in the cellar with monsters.

Sleep at the foot of father's bed. 

 

Needs a clear direction/separation of all this before it becomes a confusing mess both for me and users. 

 

 

BTW, placed father's buy back chest in his room so that maybe you could sneak in a steal stuff back but lo & behold ? the chest does not lock either... great. Under the floor it goes. 

That does seem like quite an extensive list. I agree that it could probably do with some trimming.

[jc321]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

But yes. Needs more repercussions. I could maybe have father bar you from licences and then you'd have to bribe one of the quartermasters to allow you to buy licences again for say 10,000 gold or something. But without SLS this is obviously toothless. 

 

I could maybe extend the whore reputation to every hold which would decay slowly over a month say. 

 

Not sure if you could utilise SLS (in conjunction with WT) that simply (on kick out) adds your PC to a custom faction, for example, that other NPC's can identify them and treat them in a different way. ie: walk into a tavern or shop and get kicked out, other NPC's comment or do some other action (maybe still possessions, whip character).  - Not sure if possible but could the actual debt owed be a mechanism to do this. Although assume there would need to be a difference between going into town whilst in debt with your father verses how in debt you are after being kicked out. 

 

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Any other ideas for events that might add random/regular debt? Maybe asking to be released from devices also adds debt as well as costing favour.

 

I know you've added loads already so I'll have a think. Off the top of my head at the moment

 - Penalties for not being at home on time? - ie: curfews

- Penalties for any backchat (since there are options) you may have said to Bethlor or something

- Penalties for sleeping for too long or not being in the right place at the right time.. Father can't find you when he wants something for example. 

- Cost for bathing in the new bath?

- if you did something wrong which was picked up by SLS .. ie: carrying weapon, shouting, using magic etc.. could that be reported back into WT?

 

 

 

 

[kapibar]

20 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

There are beginning to be a little too many sleeping arrangements to reconcile cleanly anyway.

I'm totally with you on that, there's little point in adding complication where it's not necessary.

[audhol]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Btw. I have added a 'debt collection' system to WT. Basically father will randomly approach looking for the debt to be paid. He will take gold from you and from any container in your room (I plan to remove/replace any other functioning container in the home). If you haven't got the gold to cover it then father will begin taking items from you and/or your storage to cover the cost. You will be able to buy back items from him if/when you get more gold. This is obviously a poverty mechanic. But also if he's taking some good stuff then you will probably endeavor to not get kicked out until you get it back. 

 

I've also added a 'rent' system - father will ask for 50 gold per day for keeping a roof over your head. Probably increasing over time to 100 gold per day. This is plugged into the above debt system. 

 

Any other ideas for events that might add random/regular debt? Maybe asking to be released from devices also adds debt as well as costing favour.

I don't understand how your playing. I set my timesacale to 15 or even 20 but still I'm not making enough gold to cover the expense of mothers treatment when amputator framework is installed and the care cost rises every day. For me there is simply not enough time in the day to keep father happy and complete tasks. TBF I do try to roleplay and only  accept propositions that correspond to the current level of deprivation. I also use lots of npc addons so I get random corpses to loot on the road but still theres never enough gold, how is it that everyone else seems to have too much gold and need a reason to pay even more?

[fred200]

12 minutes ago, audhol said:

I don't understand how your playing. I set my timesacale to 15 or even 20 but still I'm not making enough gold to cover the expense of mothers treatment when amputator framework is installed and the care cost rises every day. For me there is simply not enough time in the day to keep father happy and complete tasks. TBF I do try to roleplay and only  accept propositions that correspond to the current level of deprivation. I also use lots of npc addons so I get random corpses to loot on the road but still theres never enough gold, how is it that everyone else seems to have too much gold and need a reason to pay even more?

 

Some of us gave up trying to earn favor long ago - and just set it through the console.

 

[ck2modfan]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Btw. I have added a 'debt collection' system to WT. Basically father will randomly approach looking for the debt to be paid. He will take gold from you and from any container in your room (I plan to remove/replace any other functioning container in the home). If you haven't got the gold to cover it then father will begin taking items from you and/or your storage to cover the cost. You will be able to buy back items from him if/when you get more gold. This is obviously a poverty mechanic. But also if he's taking some good stuff then you will probably endeavor to not get kicked out until you get it back. 

 

I've also added a 'rent' system - father will ask for 50 gold per day for keeping a roof over your head. Probably increasing over time to 100 gold per day. This is plugged into the above debt system. 

 

Any other ideas for events that might add random/regular debt? Maybe asking to be released from devices also adds debt as well as costing favour.

Love the concept for debt/rent.

 

Some ideas: (some likely easier to implement than others)

- For licenses, maybe the favor cost is to get the license but there is a real gold cost (full or partial) to get the license. 

- Small fee to use cooking equipment (each time or flat fee per day)

- Charge for the clothes given... seems like gift at first but then get stuck with a high bill!

- Surely there is a tax for holding goods that Belethor is charging that needs to be offset.

- Who is going to pay for the horse care and feeding?

- Brooms for cleaning house are fragile... they can break easily and need to be replaced

- Bed needs periodic cleaning or sleep debuff is worse. Cleaning costs money.

- Dog was for PC companionship. Somebody has to pay for food (and vet bills)

- PC can leave town for free. Maybe some cost is charged back to house and then to PC

- If PC starts to carry around too much gold, a wealth tax!

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by ck2modfan

[Monoman1]

19 minutes ago, audhol said:

I don't understand how your playing. I set my timesacale to 15 or even 20 but still I'm not making enough gold to cover the expense of mothers treatment when amputator framework is installed and the care cost rises every day. For me there is simply not enough time in the day to keep father happy and complete tasks. TBF I do try to roleplay and only  accept propositions that correspond to the current level of deprivation. I also use lots of npc addons so I get random corpses to loot on the road but still theres never enough gold, how is it that everyone else seems to have too much gold and need a reason to pay even more?

Increasing timescale decreases the amount of time in the day.

In any case, rent will include a handy dandy toggle. 

8 minutes ago, fred200 said:

 

Some of us gave up trying to earn favor long ago - and just set it through the console.

 

Tut tut. 

Dont make me change it to a private script variable...

[kapibar]

5 hours ago, audhol said:

I don't understand how your playing. I set my timesacale to 15 or even 20 but still I'm not making enough gold to cover the expense of mothers treatment when amputator framework is installed and the care cost rises every day. For me there is simply not enough time in the day to keep father happy and complete tasks. TBF I do try to roleplay and only  accept propositions that correspond to the current level of deprivation. I also use lots of npc addons so I get random corpses to loot on the road but still theres never enough gold, how is it that everyone else seems to have too much gold and need a reason to pay even more?

Timing is the most important factor in managing WT. If you're fucking with the timescale, that goes out of the window because you cannot properly estimate time between events. The second thing is grouping father's demands - if tension, thirst and hunger are grouped, father becomes predictable and managable. Most jobs take 2-3 hours of game time, so with proper coordination you can earn roughly 90-120 gold a day on tasks alone. YPS fashion requirements give additional boost because father pays a little bit more than PC will spend on fashion accessories. Then you have favours - if you're efficient it is quite possible to earn as much as 50 favours per day, which gives you 500 gold. The best way to manage WT economy is to have a gold buffer BEFORE you become father's servant. 500-1000 gold should give you a headstart and allow you to function with little pressure at least for a few days. How to do that? You can do some quests in Whiterun before starting WT quest, or between visits in Belethor's shop. You also gather every single fucking thing you can get your hands on. As the mod progresses you'll be pretty much forced to level up alchemy. This is obviously a gold mine if you play it smart. There's a ton of options within WT itself, and if you're using other mods, like Cursed Loot or Laura's Shop - you can easily work around the economy.

Now, tips on the game schedule:
7 AM - your day begins -> food, drink, tension.
Around 8 AM to 10 AM -> cleaning the house.
Until 4 PM you should be albe to do at least 2 tasks.
4-5 PM -> food, drink, tension.
5/6 PM -> tasks (1 or 2)
You should be at home for the evening routine (food, drink, tension)

After that - you can chop some wood and go to sleep.

 

Repeat.

Edited April 29, 2022 by kapibar

[safado]

5 hours ago, audhol said:

I don't understand how your playing. I set my timesacale to 15 or even 20 but still I'm not making enough gold to cover the expense of mothers treatment when amputator framework is installed and the care cost rises every day. For me there is simply not enough time in the day to keep father happy and complete tasks. TBF I do try to roleplay and only  accept propositions that correspond to the current level of deprivation. I also use lots of npc addons so I get random corpses to loot on the road but still theres never enough gold, how is it that everyone else seems to have too much gold and need a reason to pay even more?

 

You can use a dynamic timescale mod to tune your game based on cell type or make it fix time between 6 and 12, read a long time ago that a lower setting bugs scenes (do not know if it is factual truth).  Sexlab scene can "eat up" game time if you do not account for it. With a dynamic mod you can set it to interior 6 and outside a little higher, some mods let you setup combat timescale too.

Still, fixed timescale is simpler, your choice. 

 

Edited April 30, 2022 by safado