Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Alis_999]

15 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Main purpose is not to use vanilla npcs but simply to swap father for other races/models. But it would be interesting to see what'd happen with a vanilla npc. 

If you create duplicate with another BaseID and EditorID - nothing.

Edited April 18, 2022 by Alis_999

[RCage]

Sorry for this question as it probably gets asked a lot (search function seems a bit janky): What should be happening at the Slave Wife ending? I play on SE with Being Female, have progressed as far as getting the dialogue to accept being a slave wife and have given birth. The only change I have noticed is that I can no longer ask after mother. Are there any other changes I should be expecting? Also, does the Being Female options regarding what is born matter?

 

I really love this mod, great work!

[Alis_999]

15 minutes ago, RCage said:

Sorry for this question as it probably gets asked a lot (search function seems a bit janky): What should be happening at the Slave Wife ending? I play on SE with Being Female, have progressed as far as getting the dialogue to accept being a slave wife and have given birth. The only change I have noticed is that I can no longer ask after mother. Are there any other changes I should be expecting? Also, does the Being Female options regarding what is born matter?

 

I really love this mod, great work!

In the Slave Wife ending you need to serve Father until you kill him, because this endless serve

[RCage]

28 minutes ago, Alis_999 said:

In the Slave Wife ending you need to serve Father until you kill him, because this endless serve

Appreciated, thank you   Does Father react to the new child, like new tasks to do? I noticed I should be using Fertility Mode instead of BF, so maybe I'm not as current as I thought.

[kapibar]

3 hours ago, Alis_999 said:

In the Slave Wife ending you need to serve Father until you kill him, because this endless serve

You can also royally fuck things up and be kicked out of the house.

[RCage]

47 minutes ago, kapibar said:

You can also royally fuck things up and be kicked out of the house.

Good to know, thanks

[Alis_999]

4 hours ago, RCage said:

Appreciated, thank you   Does Father react to the new child, like new tasks to do? I noticed I should be using Fertility Mode instead of BF, so maybe I'm not as current as I thought.

Yes, a few new mini-quests if Fertility Mod installed

[RCage]

52 minutes ago, Alis_999 said:

Yes, a few new mini-quests if Fertility Mod installed

Sweet! Looks like I'm going to have to switch to Fertility Mode  

 

Also, quick question popped in: The supply run quest where you go to Whiterun wearing nothing but a mask, I saw a message in the corner of the screen saying something like "so-and-so saw you, lost reputation." Does reputation work like Submission, Depravity and Favour? What happens if you lose reputation? 

[Alis_999]

1 hour ago, RCage said:

Also, quick question popped in: The supply run quest where you go to Whiterun wearing nothing but a mask, I saw a message in the corner of the screen saying something like "so-and-so saw you, lost reputation." Does reputation work like Submission, Depravity and Favour? What happens if you lose reputation? 

This is temporary debuff for trade in Whiterun

Edited April 18, 2022 by Alis_999

[safado]

4 hours ago, RCage said:

Sweet! Looks like I'm going to have to switch to Fertility Mode  

 

 

In SkyrimSE you will also need the patch, Fertility Mode v3 Fixes and Tweaks.  FMv3 has to be installed without optional plugins and as BSA instead of loose files for the patch to work properly.

  Do not know of similar for LE.

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by safado

[snipers69]

Is beeing female integration still a thing ?

[kapibar]

7 hours ago, Alis_999 said:

This is temporary debuff for trade in Whiterun

I don't think this debuff is temporary.

[Alis_999]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

I don't think this debuff is temporary.

Just open esp file and look Spell category

Edited April 19, 2022 by Alis_999

[kapibar]

2 hours ago, Alis_999 said:

Just open esp file and look Spell category

Nah, too lazy. I'll take your word for it if you already did the legwork .

[Monoman1]

  

13 hours ago, RCage said:

Sweet! Looks like I'm going to have to switch to Fertility Mode  

 

Also, quick question popped in: The supply run quest where you go to Whiterun wearing nothing but a mask, I saw a message in the corner of the screen saying something like "so-and-so saw you, lost reputation." Does reputation work like Submission, Depravity and Favour? What happens if you lose reputation? 

 

4 hours ago, kapibar said:

I don't think this debuff is temporary.

 

2 hours ago, Alis_999 said:

Just open esp file and look Spell category

It's sort of permanently temporary - refreshed between supply runs. Initially, default reputation is good. So at the start of every supply run your reputation is clear. Once Belethor starts extorting you, slut reputation is default and the only way to have somewhere decent to trade in whiterun is to cooperate with Belethor. 

 

It's got a duration approximately equal to the max days between runs (set dynamically via script based on mcm settings and timescale) so as to be enough as to be 'pseudo permanent' while you are cooperating with father. But not permanent such that any hiccups or killing father or otherwise ending the mod then it won't be refreshed and you won't be stuck with a massive trading penalty in Whiterun. 

 

There is supposed to be 'special stock' added to belethor if you cooperate which includes:

extra trading gold

YPS makeup

SLS cumtainers

blacksmith stuff

apothecary stuff

 

But there's something funny going on with it. Some pattern I'm not getting. Something to do with opening the contents of the trade container before or after the stock is added. Seems like some kind of weird bethesda stuff again. Something to keep an eye on. Gold is the easiest indicator. 

6 hours ago, snipers69 said:

Is beeing female integration still a thing ?

Yes. I think the features are currently the same if BF or FM is installed (I can't think of any difference atm) but from experience it seems it's easier to pull more information from FM. So there may be better integration with FM in the future. 

 

Also SLS prefers FM for some minor things.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Monoman1

[Alis_999]

@Monoman1 I found a "nice" NPC for Father alternate model! Torturer from Helgen, ahaha

Edited April 19, 2022 by Alis_999

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Alis_999 said:

@Monoman1 I found a "nice" NPC for Father alternate model! Torturer from Helgen, ahaha

Well hopefully it'll be very configurable. So like a drop down list type thing. Possibly even import from json. 

 

And like I said before if anyone wants to submit alternate versions of Father I can copy the records to WT and add them to the list. Just don't spend loads of time just yet because I'm not sure it's possible. It should be though. In theory. 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I was thinking about a certain feature that might be interesting to you. As you might recall, I had an idea for the house to be closed, so the PC would have to ask father to open it in order to begin tasks. I think you said that it would be too complicated to do something like that, but in the spirit of this idea, I had another one that might have a similar function with much less hassle. The PC could report to father that she has finished all the tasks for the day and she's going to sleep. In the beginning father would just let her rest, but as submission/depravity increases, this could easily change. PC could be strapped onto the furniture for the night as a punishment and everytime father allows her to sleep she would be equipped with blindfold and a gag (obviously so she sleeps better and doesn't snore). In the beginning of the day the PC would have to ask father to unequip these devices for 1-2 favours (those could also scale up as the events progress, forcing the player to put more effort). Of course sleeping without permission would be punished. This solution would increase father's control over the PC and add another humiliating dynamic to the gameplay.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 I was thinking about a certain feature that might be interesting to you. As you might recall, I had an idea for the house to be closed, so the PC would have to ask father to open it in order to begin tasks. I think you said that it would be too complicated to do something like that, but in the spirit of this idea, I had another one that might have a similar function with much less hassle. The PC could report to father that she has finished all the tasks for the day and she's going to sleep. In the beginning father would just let her rest, but as submission/depravity increases, this could easily change. PC could be strapped onto the furniture for the night as a punishment and everytime father allows her to sleep she would be equipped with blindfold and a gag (obviously so she sleeps better and doesn't snore). In the beginning of the day the PC would have to ask father to unequip these devices for 1-2 favours (those could also scale up as the events progress, forcing the player to put more effort). Of course sleeping without permission would be punished. This solution would increase father's control over the PC and add another humiliating dynamic to the gameplay.

Yea that seems appropriate. I could do

1. Initially don't care.

2. Force greet: "check with me before you go to bed in case of extra task" blah blah. Don't ask for permission to sleep = favour loss. 

3. Start wrapping up the player eventually and progress over time... Gag 1st? blindfold next? armbinder/legbinder last? Anything else?

 

Extra tasks at night/morning? Sex?

 

Btw the problem with the door is that it simply won't lock via conventional means for some (bethesda) reason. I've locked plenty of doors in the past. The alternative I was considering was replacing the door altogether with a 'fake' door.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

9 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

3. Start wrapping up the player eventually and progress over time... Gag 1st? blindfold next? armbinder/legbinder last? Anything else?

I think this would pretty much wrap it up (pun intended ?).

 

Occasionally father could refuse to remove a certain device ("I rather enjoy the silence, so you'll remain gagged for the day"; "Today you'll train your other senses, so the blindfold stays on") - it would make the game more challenging and fun.

[beerman778]

50 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Yea that seems appropriate. I could do

1. Initially don't care.

2. Force greet: "check with me before you go to bed in case of extra task" blah blah. Don't ask for permission to sleep = favour loss. 

3. Start wrapping up the player eventually and progress over time... Gag 1st? blindfold next? armbinder/legbinder last? Anything else?

 

Extra tasks at night/morning? Sex?

Really sounds interesting, adds a little bit of depth to the game after finishing the "daily" tasks.

 

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Extra tasks at night/morning? Sex?

DD integration or sorts would be nice. Also, the whoring that you pointed out the in roadmap might tight fit well in the evening after the tasks. For example, the PC has to "visit" somebody at night, or come customer comes to the house at night.

Edited April 19, 2022 by beerman778

[Alis_999]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Yea that seems appropriate. I could do

1. Initially don't care.

2. Force greet: "check with me before you go to bed in case of extra task" blah blah. Don't ask for permission to sleep = favour loss. 

3. Start wrapping up the player eventually and progress over time... Gag 1st? blindfold next? armbinder/legbinder last? Anything else?

Hmm, i am not a sure about too strong DD integration, because it will end with the PC having to stand for 40 minutes of real time without content.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Alis_999

[Monoman1]

17 minutes ago, Alis_999 said:

Hmm, i am not a sure about too strong DD integration, because it will end with the PC having to stand for 40 minutes of real time without content

Why?

1. You ask for permission to go to bed. Get wrapped up in dds. 

2. Go to bed and sleep. 

3. Get up and ask to be released for the day. 

 

Its fairly minimum effect on gameplay but demonstrates your submission nicely. 

Edited April 19, 2022 by Monoman1

[RCage]

6 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

  

 

 

It's sort of permanently temporary - refreshed between supply runs. Initially, default reputation is good. So at the start of every supply run your reputation is clear. Once Belethor starts extorting you, slut reputation is default and the only way to have somewhere decent to trade in whiterun is to cooperate with Belethor. 

 

It's got a duration approximately equal to the max days between runs (set dynamically via script based on mcm settings and timescale) so as to be enough as to be 'pseudo permanent' while you are cooperating with father. But not permanent such that any hiccups or killing father or otherwise ending the mod then it won't be refreshed and you won't be stuck with a massive trading penalty in Whiterun. 

 

There is supposed to be 'special stock' added to belethor if you cooperate which includes:

extra trading gold

YPS makeup

SLS cumtainers

blacksmith stuff

apothecary stuff

 

But there's something funny going on with it. Some pattern I'm not getting. Something to do with opening the contents of the trade container before or after the stock is added. Seems like some kind of weird bethesda stuff again. Something to keep an eye on. Gold is the easiest indicator. 

Yes. I think the features are currently the same if BF or FM is installed (I can't think of any difference atm) but from experience it seems it's easier to pull more information from FM. So there may be better integration with FM in the future. 

 

Also SLS prefers FM for some minor things.

 

Thank you for the help (everyone)  Looking forward to starting again with FM! 

 

The containers just reminded me: After "milking" Brutus, Father wanted my character to drink half and save the rest for Arcadia. Since then I've got half a bucket of the stuff sitting in my inventory but there doesn't seem to be an option to give this to the alchemist. It's possible I misread what Father said, but also worried I missed out on something fun. 

 

 

[Alis_999]

18 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Why?

1. You ask for permission to go to bed. Get wrapped up in dds. 

2. Go to bed and sleep. 

3. Get up and ask to be released for the day. 

May be... May be, i just have a hope, Wartimes will not turn into an analogue of Chloe's quest from the Cursed Loot, where you need to waste 2-4 hours for runs only without content.

 

Anyway, what do you think about that?

Main quest have a route when Mother returns healthy (i forgot which conditions), but she kicks out corupted PC, may be need to add new content after her recovery and before PC expulsion? Something like: "PC serve Father with pleasure despite the Mother presence. And at the last stage Mother kill Father and herself. And Dovahkiin's journey begins"

Edited April 19, 2022 by Alis_999