Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Alis_999]

@Monoman1 I found a "nice" NPC for Father alternate model! Torturer from Helgen, ahaha

Edited April 19, 2022 by Alis_999

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Alis_999 said:

@Monoman1 I found a "nice" NPC for Father alternate model! Torturer from Helgen, ahaha

Well hopefully it'll be very configurable. So like a drop down list type thing. Possibly even import from json. 

 

And like I said before if anyone wants to submit alternate versions of Father I can copy the records to WT and add them to the list. Just don't spend loads of time just yet because I'm not sure it's possible. It should be though. In theory. 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I was thinking about a certain feature that might be interesting to you. As you might recall, I had an idea for the house to be closed, so the PC would have to ask father to open it in order to begin tasks. I think you said that it would be too complicated to do something like that, but in the spirit of this idea, I had another one that might have a similar function with much less hassle. The PC could report to father that she has finished all the tasks for the day and she's going to sleep. In the beginning father would just let her rest, but as submission/depravity increases, this could easily change. PC could be strapped onto the furniture for the night as a punishment and everytime father allows her to sleep she would be equipped with blindfold and a gag (obviously so she sleeps better and doesn't snore). In the beginning of the day the PC would have to ask father to unequip these devices for 1-2 favours (those could also scale up as the events progress, forcing the player to put more effort). Of course sleeping without permission would be punished. This solution would increase father's control over the PC and add another humiliating dynamic to the gameplay.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 I was thinking about a certain feature that might be interesting to you. As you might recall, I had an idea for the house to be closed, so the PC would have to ask father to open it in order to begin tasks. I think you said that it would be too complicated to do something like that, but in the spirit of this idea, I had another one that might have a similar function with much less hassle. The PC could report to father that she has finished all the tasks for the day and she's going to sleep. In the beginning father would just let her rest, but as submission/depravity increases, this could easily change. PC could be strapped onto the furniture for the night as a punishment and everytime father allows her to sleep she would be equipped with blindfold and a gag (obviously so she sleeps better and doesn't snore). In the beginning of the day the PC would have to ask father to unequip these devices for 1-2 favours (those could also scale up as the events progress, forcing the player to put more effort). Of course sleeping without permission would be punished. This solution would increase father's control over the PC and add another humiliating dynamic to the gameplay.

Yea that seems appropriate. I could do

1. Initially don't care.

2. Force greet: "check with me before you go to bed in case of extra task" blah blah. Don't ask for permission to sleep = favour loss. 

3. Start wrapping up the player eventually and progress over time... Gag 1st? blindfold next? armbinder/legbinder last? Anything else?

 

Extra tasks at night/morning? Sex?

 

Btw the problem with the door is that it simply won't lock via conventional means for some (bethesda) reason. I've locked plenty of doors in the past. The alternative I was considering was replacing the door altogether with a 'fake' door.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

9 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

3. Start wrapping up the player eventually and progress over time... Gag 1st? blindfold next? armbinder/legbinder last? Anything else?

I think this would pretty much wrap it up (pun intended ?).

 

Occasionally father could refuse to remove a certain device ("I rather enjoy the silence, so you'll remain gagged for the day"; "Today you'll train your other senses, so the blindfold stays on") - it would make the game more challenging and fun.

[beerman778]

50 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Yea that seems appropriate. I could do

1. Initially don't care.

2. Force greet: "check with me before you go to bed in case of extra task" blah blah. Don't ask for permission to sleep = favour loss. 

3. Start wrapping up the player eventually and progress over time... Gag 1st? blindfold next? armbinder/legbinder last? Anything else?

 

Extra tasks at night/morning? Sex?

Really sounds interesting, adds a little bit of depth to the game after finishing the "daily" tasks.

 

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Extra tasks at night/morning? Sex?

DD integration or sorts would be nice. Also, the whoring that you pointed out the in roadmap might tight fit well in the evening after the tasks. For example, the PC has to "visit" somebody at night, or come customer comes to the house at night.

Edited April 19, 2022 by beerman778

[Alis_999]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Yea that seems appropriate. I could do

1. Initially don't care.

2. Force greet: "check with me before you go to bed in case of extra task" blah blah. Don't ask for permission to sleep = favour loss. 

3. Start wrapping up the player eventually and progress over time... Gag 1st? blindfold next? armbinder/legbinder last? Anything else?

Hmm, i am not a sure about too strong DD integration, because it will end with the PC having to stand for 40 minutes of real time without content.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Alis_999

[Monoman1]

17 minutes ago, Alis_999 said:

Hmm, i am not a sure about too strong DD integration, because it will end with the PC having to stand for 40 minutes of real time without content

Why?

1. You ask for permission to go to bed. Get wrapped up in dds. 

2. Go to bed and sleep. 

3. Get up and ask to be released for the day. 

 

Its fairly minimum effect on gameplay but demonstrates your submission nicely. 

Edited April 19, 2022 by Monoman1

[RCage]

6 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

  

 

 

It's sort of permanently temporary - refreshed between supply runs. Initially, default reputation is good. So at the start of every supply run your reputation is clear. Once Belethor starts extorting you, slut reputation is default and the only way to have somewhere decent to trade in whiterun is to cooperate with Belethor. 

 

It's got a duration approximately equal to the max days between runs (set dynamically via script based on mcm settings and timescale) so as to be enough as to be 'pseudo permanent' while you are cooperating with father. But not permanent such that any hiccups or killing father or otherwise ending the mod then it won't be refreshed and you won't be stuck with a massive trading penalty in Whiterun. 

 

There is supposed to be 'special stock' added to belethor if you cooperate which includes:

extra trading gold

YPS makeup

SLS cumtainers

blacksmith stuff

apothecary stuff

 

But there's something funny going on with it. Some pattern I'm not getting. Something to do with opening the contents of the trade container before or after the stock is added. Seems like some kind of weird bethesda stuff again. Something to keep an eye on. Gold is the easiest indicator. 

Yes. I think the features are currently the same if BF or FM is installed (I can't think of any difference atm) but from experience it seems it's easier to pull more information from FM. So there may be better integration with FM in the future. 

 

Also SLS prefers FM for some minor things.

 

Thank you for the help (everyone)  Looking forward to starting again with FM! 

 

The containers just reminded me: After "milking" Brutus, Father wanted my character to drink half and save the rest for Arcadia. Since then I've got half a bucket of the stuff sitting in my inventory but there doesn't seem to be an option to give this to the alchemist. It's possible I misread what Father said, but also worried I missed out on something fun. 

 

 

[Alis_999]

18 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Why?

1. You ask for permission to go to bed. Get wrapped up in dds. 

2. Go to bed and sleep. 

3. Get up and ask to be released for the day. 

May be... May be, i just have a hope, Wartimes will not turn into an analogue of Chloe's quest from the Cursed Loot, where you need to waste 2-4 hours for runs only without content.

 

Anyway, what do you think about that?

Main quest have a route when Mother returns healthy (i forgot which conditions), but she kicks out corupted PC, may be need to add new content after her recovery and before PC expulsion? Something like: "PC serve Father with pleasure despite the Mother presence. And at the last stage Mother kill Father and herself. And Dovahkiin's journey begins"

Edited April 19, 2022 by Alis_999

[Monoman1]

9 minutes ago, RCage said:

The containers just reminded me: After "milking" Brutus, Father wanted my character to drink half and save the rest for Arcadia. Since then I've got half a bucket of the stuff sitting in my inventory but there doesn't seem to be an option to give this to the alchemist. It's possible I misread what Father said, but also worried I missed out on something fun. 

You just sell it to arcadia as normal. 

But really the extra favour for drinking the whole bucket is worth more though tbh. 

[RCage]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

You just sell it to arcadia as normal. 

But really the extra favour for drinking the whole bucket is worth more though tbh. 

Awesome  Thank you!

[Monoman1]

32 minutes ago, Alis_999 said:

May be... May be, i just have a hope, Wartimes will not turn into an analogue of Chloe's quest from the Cursed Loot, where you need to waste 2-4 hours for runs only without content

Some times you have to create your own content. For me, being under pressure from expiring licences and followers piling on debt compels me to be productive in time between tasks. Its up to you to decide how to be productive - adventuring/whoring. Managing this time and risks of being deafeated/captured despite conditions not being ideal (no equipment/devious devices/needs) is what I find interesting. 

 

39 minutes ago, Alis_999 said:

Anyway, what do you think about that?

Main quest have a route when Mother returns healthy (i forgot which conditions), but she kicks out corupted PC, may be need to add new content after her recovery and before PC expulsion? Something like: "PC serve Father with pleasure despite the Mother presence. And at the last stage Mother kill Father and herself. And Dovahkiin's journey begins"

Maybe. Endings are kinda low priority for me. 

[Alis_999]

22 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Some times you have to create your own content. For me, being under pressure from expiring licences and followers piling on debt compels me to be productive in time between tasks. Its up to you to decide how to be productive - adventuring/whoring. Managing this time and risks of being deafeated/captured despite conditions not being ideal (no equipment/devious devices/needs) is what I find interesting. 

I mean runs is literally. Heh, when you need to run between two points 2 hours, just run, or stay 30 min, just stay

Edited April 19, 2022 by Alis_999

[lcewolf]

I have notice something strange.

I use the SSE version of Wartimes now.

 

We have a curfew license avalable. I don't know if it is normal but each time i ask for this licence the quest Public Whore start?

I don't know if it is wanted or not since father don't propose the whore licence yet.

 

But if it's

Spoiler

maybe you should have some prerequise or propose at least some explain from Father . For my part when the Public whore quest start my

PC need to be naked or mostly naked. 

 

I would like to propose some «pre-requis or condition»  for the whore license.

• The Pc already serves Father naked.
• The Pc has already done belethor's shopping naked with "the helmet".
• A conversation with Father about moving at night. Personally I would first offer the curfew license , then only the whore license would be avalable when the submission is higher then 20 or more.

Another suggestion. I would also like to offer incentives to get out at night. The Party should only work at night forcing the PC to getting such license or try to avoid guard at night to have access to the seller. (Only problem i see is the seller should probably be outside or give a Key by father to the PC)

 

The PC could also ask Father if he knows better paid jobs.

 

I personally like that new feature you add. Public whore is quite a nice addon and an excellent way to make gold. But a nice conversation is require and i would like to propose something like that;

 

• You know Daugther you have become quite a slut. I have decide it's time to use that at your advantage.
• What do you mean father?
• Our Thane was looking for a person to hold a position that even offers a title, an uniform and a new tattoo. I already offered your name and he as accepted.
• What is the position father?
• You are now officially the public Whore of Whiterun. 
• Please father you cannot make me do this!
• It's already done...

I don't know if the shame mask is compatible with public whore or if she should not have any mask and show herself to the world lol! 

I don't know either if you find that mod too agressif and have something softer or another mod in mind.

 

Like always there are suggestion.

 

I have also find something that dosen't seem to work a least for me  about the feature be Naked at.

Vanilla dosen't work anymore. I have forcestart father more then 30 times but he never ask me to get naked with vanilla.

With 100 Submission i have try too this but strangely didn't see it. It seam to work well with outfit progression.

 

Maybe i am quite badlucky but believe me when i say i try i did.

[Monoman1]

8 hours ago, lcewolf said:

We have a curfew license avalable. I don't know if it is normal but each time i ask for this licence the quest Public Whore start?

Yes. Father will give you a whore licence instead. Sls was changed:

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Buying a whore licence now makes you a 'Public Whore' in that area (Requires Public Whore of course). No more freeloading. I'm going to LOL every time someone that doesn't read the changelog gets caught by this...

So... Lol ? 

You have a point. But the appropriate point to inform the player does not exist in WT yet. 

 

8 hours ago, lcewolf said:

have also find something that dosen't seem to work a least for me  about the feature be Naked at.

Vanilla dosen't work anymore.

You'll have to check the conditions on the dialogue. I can't right  now. 

[Desvati]

On 4/19/2022 at 5:40 PM, Monoman1 said:

Why?

1. You ask for permission to go to bed. Get wrapped up in dds. 

2. Go to bed and sleep. 

3. Get up and ask to be released for the day. 

 

Its fairly minimum effect on gameplay but demonstrates your submission nicely. 

I think it'd be a pretty good addition, especially if he says no and you have to be limited for the day (or use your built up favour to get freed?)

 

On 4/19/2022 at 2:22 PM, Monoman1 said:

Btw the problem with the door is that it simply won't lock via conventional means for some (bethesda) reason. I've locked plenty of doors in the past. The alternative I was considering was replacing the door altogether with a 'fake' door.

Is there a quick and dirty to set that up to test? I'd be down to try it on my end

[Monoman1]

7 hours ago, Desvati said:

there a quick and dirty to set that up to test? I'd be down to try it on my end

I'd have to disable the real door. Create an activator that looks like the door. Block activation on it and add a notification when used "this door is locked". Maybe for both for inside and outside doors. But perhaps the outside door will lock ok. 

[Monoman1]

BTW. CACO is currently making me lose the will to live...

[Sierrok]

I looked at this forum and was like, 'Wow, some amazing things' However I am not able to find where to get the updated mod. The only other question I have is if all these addons to the mod since the 2020 version (which I am currently using) are SE compatible, as I have AE. If I could get a hand as to where to go for the updated mod, that would be great  Thanks!

 

Edited April 21, 2022 by Sierrok

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Sierrok said:

I looked at this forum and was like, 'Wow, some amazing things' However I am not able to find where to get the updated mod.

 

Welcome to the dark side of loverslab, where amazing things happen. Glad to have you on board.

 

The updated mod can be usually found in MM's signature, since he's the Chad that's been doing wonders with it:

 

 

1 hour ago, Sierrok said:

The only other question I have is if all these addons to the mod since the 2020 version (which I am currently using) are SE compatible, as I have AE.

 

I don't know if everything is SE compatible, but in most cases the answer is yes. Again I refer you to the above link. From there you should be able to get by. Good luck!

Edited April 21, 2022 by kapibar

[bathoz]

I'd say that at some point he has to bite the bullet and create a Wartimes: Back To War thread, but considering the last however many years, I suspect Mono just likes that the different versions are hidden away.

[Monoman1]

Who doesn't like a little hide and seek.

[Sierrok]

Thanks for the direction to the updates, just checking one last thing, is the bathroom/pantry still in the works, or finished? I'm excited to see it develop

[Kryona]

Is it only possible to add more outfit levels before you start the mod? Because a while ago i added 2 more levels of outfits through the debug wheel in game in a save where the mod has been active already and although it appeared to work fine, the outfit progression still goes tavern clothes -> naked instead of tavern clothes -> level 2 -> level 3 -> naked. The outfits i added were never requested even after like an ingame week or two since i added them.