Maria Eden SE

[most_wanted]

On 7/25/2023 at 12:17 PM, BigOnes69 said:

.. so hence waiting for a more stable version thats easier for player to use. 

Yeah.. don't count on it. I have been waiting for that since like.. forever.

[kdoggg1971]

Noy sure why, but all clothing in this mod is invisible. I'm not seeing any bodyslide files, so I'm assuming it's the textures.

[jenjiz]

On 11/13/2023 at 11:41 AM, kdoggg1971 said:

Noy sure why, but all clothing in this mod is invisible. I'm not seeing any bodyslide files, so I'm assuming it's the textures.

Only reason I can think of for this is ae/se issues, since clothing is usually another mod.

 

Unfortunately, although there was talk of an update being in its last stages, an AE version is almost certainly never going to be released. I get the impression the author has lost interest and/or can't figure out how to upgrade the scripts to latest version. 

 

This is a dead mod really. 

[crococat]

On 11/13/2023 at 2:41 PM, kdoggg1971 said:

Noy sure why, but all clothing in this mod is invisible. I'm not seeing any bodyslide files, so I'm assuming it's the textures.

Dont sure about this current version of mod, but usually you had to set clothes sets manually to categories (by spell or shortcut menu) from npcs or your own current outfit, and then mod will use this saved outfits (as whore uniform for example) or you may apply them to npcs or youself.

You may save many different outfits in one category. Slavetats and overlays will be saved with outfits if they present on person from whom you copy outfit.

[zaira]

After I managed to repair my damaged Skyrim AE, I am continuing with MEP.

Due to end of maintenance of Toys&Love I am replacing it with Sexlab - for the Bondage gear I am unsure - I don't like DD because it is too intrusive, I don't like ZAP because of its outdated or broken scripts, unstructured and inconsistent Keyword support and the missing commitment of @t.ara for Skyrim SE. I will likely import some parts of T&L into MEP for private toys.

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by zaira

[wareware]

1 minute ago, zaira said:

After I managed to repair my damaged Skyrim, I am continuing with MEP.

Due to end of maintenance of Toys&Love I am replacing it with Sexlab - for the Bondage gear I am unsure - I don't like DD because it is too intrusive, I don't like ZAP because of its outdated or broken scripts, unstructured and inconsistent Keyword support and the missing commitment of @t.ara for Skyrim SE. I will likely import some parts of T&L into MEP for private toys.

 

 

Have you tried DD NG?

[zaira]

1 hour ago, wareware said:

 

Have you tried DD NG?

Is there a difference to DD?

[wareware]

43 minutes ago, zaira said:

Is there a difference to DD?

 

Its much faster than normal DD though I don't understand what you mean by normal DD being too intrusive. If you're making custom devices, you can make them as prohibitive as you want.

[zaira]

I'll take a look onto it. Switching the frameworks is always a pain. I have abstraction layers for sex and toys, but the possibility to wrap frameworks in papyrus is limited.

But after ZAP and T&L it is maybe the time to give DD a try.

Edited December 28, 2023 by zaira

[Reigor]

I think the question to answer @zaira is what do you want the items to do?

 

Maybe start "simple" with them just being cosmetic.

 

Add a function that they can't be taken off like normal equipment.

 

Then add ways of how the items can be taken off, both immersive (owner key, pick locks, cutting straps, etc...), and through the ME cheat menu. 

 

Then create a function to detect and report what ME items the player has currently equipped.  This is used for player interactions with NPC for ME's main quests.

 

That's all that is actually needed, right? Anything else, like vibrations/shocks, is just extra fun stuff which can be added in later.

[zaira]

After studying the code base of DD I decided to go with DD. The porting efforts seems to be manageable.

[Reigor]

@zairaSince you are going with DD, have you taken a look at Unforgiving Devices? It's a framework extension for DD.

 

 

[zaira]

On 1/4/2024 at 1:40 PM, Reigor said:

@zairaSince you are going with DD, have you taken a look at Unforgiving Devices? It's a framework extension for DD.

 

 

If it is compatible with DD NG.

I have ported MEP and all its satellite mods to DD NG which I prefer because of its speed and architecture improvements.

[BigOnes69]

If you look at any alternate start mods take a look at Proteus and its add on mods. Starting as a non dragonborn character and the ability to block dragonborn content would compliment this type of mod a lot. 

[zaira]

2 hours ago, BigOnes69 said:

If you look at any alternate start mods take a look at Proteus and its add on mods. Starting as a non dragonborn character and the ability to block dragonborn content would compliment this type of mod a lot. 

I have dropped my own startup mod and integrated scenarios to ASLAL.

 

BTW: I finished migration to Sexlab + DD NG now and starting to clean up things for a release.

I evaluate moving from ZAP furniture to Devious Devices - Contraptions to finalize my migration away from ZAP.

Edited January 9, 2024 by zaira

[BigOnes69]

On 1/9/2024 at 4:12 PM, zaira said:

I have dropped my own startup mod and integrated scenarios to ASLAL.

 

BTW: I finished migration to Sexlab + DD NG now and starting to clean up things for a release.

I evaluate moving from ZAP furniture to Devious Devices - Contraptions to finalize my migration away from ZAP.

Thanks for your work.

[Jappa123]

Damn, it's been a while since we last time hear word "release" from you. Great job, looking forward to play it, can you give us some info about changes compared to last version? Thanks! 

[zaira]

Well, it will be still a W.I.P.

• The main focus is being unchanged - you're going to be a prostitute. It will be your choice if you are a free whore, a whore in service of a tavern or a slave. You could be a slave of your follower or a slave of a Khajit caravan.
• There are several brothels where you can work.
• There are slave auctions where you can be sold if you're being kept in a fight and surrender or if you're being kept by guard for a severe crime.
• There are slave schools where you're being trained to be a sex slave.
• You can end up in execution scenes if you take it too far.
• If you are going about your business on your own in a city, you may be approached by someone demanding a share.
• As a tavern whore, you give a cut to the innkeeper for free food and bed.
• As a slave of a follower, your master will be harsh and humiliate you in many ways. He demands your outfit, modifies your body (piercings, wigs, tattoos, circumcision, fertility, ...).
• A follower controls every aspect of your life and treats you as humiliating as possible.
• Once you be a slave, it will have permanent consequences. Everybody who notice you as a slave will change his behavior and your gameplay will be humiliating even if you get free from slavery.
• The follower will take all your gold, he will also loot dead bodies after fights. If you enable beast sex in sexlab you will also being controlled and humiliated by a watch dog, and you have to service the horse of your follower.
• He could turn you into a succubus - especially if he's a vampire. As a succubus, you need to have sex like others needs food. The succubus quest will change your way of playing Skyrim completely.
• Your master will remove all magic, all weapons and all money from you, your fate is completely in his hands.
• At bedtime, he will tie you up or lend you to innkeepers, abuse you or bed you with him, depending on how much he likes you.
• The master will notice when you use chairs (you have to sit on your knees) or you're equipping forbidden armor or weapons. You are not even allowed to eat, drink or piss and shit (Mini Needs) without permission.
• The master will demanding humiliating jobs when being in cities, camps and taverns.
• MEP can optionally catch simple slavery events and send you to the Maria Eden Slave Auctions instead.
• MEP supports Mini Needs - your master could feed you with cum, and your pimps can drive you into a Skooma addiction to control you.
• MEP supports washing basins to clean up after services because people are disgusted seeing you being covered with cum.
• MEP supports pubic hair mods (Growing Pubic and Body Hair Main) - your master controls even this aspect and enforces you being shaved.
• MEP supports being female - your master is taking care that you are not getting pregnant.
• MEP could optionally control jail events and triggering jail scenes.
• Your master will offer you for sex, simply in public or visiting the homes of your customers or in public shows.
• If you enter special areas (eg. Riften Bandit hideout) while being enslaved, you become a sex slave to everybody.
• There is a small temple whore quest where you have to submit to Dibella as a temple whore who has to offer free sex to poor people.
• Your outift does matter a lot and everybody reacts on it. Everybody remembers you, so if they notice you as a whore, they will treat you as a whore forever.
• People are talking about you and some of them will approach you for service once they noticed you as a whore.
• Being noticed as a whore or a slave will have a severe impact on trading - on prices, and some demands free sex before trade.
• If they saw you performing beast sex, some of them will likely never trade with you anymore.
• Some of them will join for humiliating sessions in slave schools - once they saw you there, they will treat you like scum if they meat you in public.
• There is a Higheels progression system. At the beginning, you will stumble a lot, depending on your walking speed. Only with time will you learn to move skillfully with such shoes. Your master will likely enforce you wearing heels when they are configured in the outfit system. He will train your heels skills with painful DD boots until you are ready to wear normal heels.
• When you are bound, you cannot open doors. Every attempt to open doors with bound hands will trigger a random event: you can have luck and the door will open, or somebody nearby will help you, or you alert your master, or - well, you will see.
• There is a complex pose system that is completely open for user defined poses. Lots of poses will have an impact on gameplay and NPC reaction.
• If you dance in taverns, the bards will immediately play the drums and the guests will come closer to watch you.
• If you are a free sex dancer they might drop some coins after the show.
• As a sex dancer you get noticed by the people, and some of them they will ask you for more dances.
• Every customer you served remembers your services and will say humiliating words when they meat you.
• There is a support for ESTIM devices - MEP sends triggers in sex and punishment scenes.
• Lots of startup scenes are integrated into SLAL so you can jump instantly into a slave auction, brothel, ...
• If you have enabled beats sex you could become a slave of a dog. Your dog master demands several services from you. As a dog slave almost nobody will ever be doing any kind of trade with you, trainers, healers will reject - forever.

 

Almost every quest is triggered by dialogs, especially "hello events". So if you want to reduce the impact of MEP, you should keep away from people - especially while wearing collars and whore outfits.

 

And a lot more things. A lot of things are partly instable caused by multiple framework changes (ZAP+Sexlab->Toys&Love->DD+Sexlab) but there is a cheating system that helps you to get out of stucked scenes.

 

Beside of this it comes with a complex outfit system for player and NPC, several managers for items, restraints, NPCs, locations, manipulating NPCs and items - so it will be even useful without playing a whore or a slave - if you just install the base mode it won't change your gameplay but gives you all the managers.

A MEP outfit consists of armor, weapons, inventory and Slave Tats.

 

I dropped Toys & Love. ZAP is still being used for whipping and furniture but no longer for restraints and factions, but I plan to drop ZAP completely as well - I am moving to Devious Devices - Contraptions.

 

Regarding DD: Even if MEP supports DD, it comes with its own set of (DD) restraints - I ported my Lorefriendly Toys mod to DD.

Restraints only play a minor role in MEP - mainly you get a simple slave collar, hands getting bound with ropes, and sometimes you get blindfolded.

There are enough mods out there that are specialized on bondage.

 

Edited January 13, 2024 by zaira

[jfraser]

ME has always been one of the most immersive experiences. We appreciate your continued efforts and support.

[Inte]

3 hours ago, zaira said:

Restraints only play a minor role in MEP

But why? The restraints are the best part. 

[zaira]

9 hours ago, Inte said:

But why? The restraints are the best part. 

Because it's a mod about prostitution and slavery. Not about bondage. And the majority of restraints in DD do not fit well into the Skyrim environment. Everything in MEP shall make sense and I have no idea how to tell a good medieval story why the master force his slave into latex 🙂.

The heretic parts of DD are too clumpy for my taste, and the SMP is not yet well adapted (although there are promising improvements on the way on DD NG discord).

Bondage games as a central gameplay element wear out too quickly and become boring (my taste)- and there are so many mods out there that are focussed on this fetish.

 

I hope that DD NG gets ported to Starfield where latex and leather restraints would fit much better. As soon as a CK is available for Starfield I will very likely switch over because I prefer SciFi environments very much.

My biggest hope was Cyberpunk (I love the fucked-up, dark ambience of Night City), but quest modding is almost impossible and the existing solutions are far beyond the possibilities and usability of CreationKit.

 

Edited January 14, 2024 by zaira

[Inte]

On 1/14/2024 at 7:01 AM, zaira said:

Because it's a mod about prostitution and slavery. Not about bondage.

The prostitution part I understand, but slavery and bondage go together like hand in glove. You cannot have one without the other. 

 

On 1/14/2024 at 7:01 AM, zaira said:

And the majority of restraints in DD do not fit well into the Skyrim environment.

I never said they have to be DD restraints. 

 

On 1/14/2024 at 7:01 AM, zaira said:

Everything in MEP shall make sense and I have no idea how to tell a good medieval story why the master force his slave into latex 🙂.

Your story takes place in a world of fire breathing dragons that can speak. People, can make fire by just thinking about it, can have thunderbolts shoot out of their hands, can shout at the weather and make it obey, can control time etc. and you have a hard time explaining latex? 

I can think of a few mods here that can accomplish that in a very lore friendly way.

Take @Laura with Laura’s Bondage Shop; There is this magical black rock that when you touch it and the rock senses your submissive tendencies, booom... latex everywhere!

Or take @Code Serpent, who is very conscientious about lore and in Devious Lore, introduced alchemists who are researching and testing DD restraints of Daedric origin, imported from the Summerset Isles, apparently.

Perhaps the DD restraints were left behind by the Dwarves.

These are only three among many other. There are also rumors of a Pink Shop that also uses and researches these restraints. 

 

If all that fails you could always go with,

type of approach. 

 

On 1/14/2024 at 7:01 AM, zaira said:

Bondage games as a central gameplay element wear out too quickly and become boring (my taste)-

Same can be said about prostitution, it just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after a while. Wait, that came out wrong, put it back in. 
Seriously tho, all I’m saying is that Master should keep his/her slave bound at all times. At least a MCM option for it?

You’re all about lore, no? How does it make sense for anybody in Skyrim to enslave the Dragonborn, the most powerful being in Skyrim, without securing her in tight bondage? 

 

Don’t even get me started about mods that try and execute the Dragonborn. One word, etherealize. 

 

On 1/14/2024 at 7:01 AM, zaira said:

and there are so many mods out there that are focussed on this fetish.

Yes, and I love every single one of them. 

[jc321]

On 1/14/2024 at 2:27 AM, Inte said:

But why? The restraints are the best part. 

Assuming it's like the previous versions you can always use the outfits feature to equip bondage attire to your liking. (although you would need to be careful you're not replacing a collar (for example) or blocking usage of your body which may not be detected within ME itself.

 

What is missing (and something CoffeeInk introduced into his Lola extension) was the ability to define outfits but with also a level feature on them. So for example if you were given slave attire, depending on the relationship with your owner you could define various levels of an outfit which (depending how you configured) could be an improvement in clothing or worse (including additional restraints).

 

The closest similarity within ME is if you have a whore costume defined and you mis-behave that can turn into bondage whore .. but what would be a nice feature is that the outfits themselves can be defined (eg: a Level 1, 2 & 3 attire) and put on your character depending on their relationshp with you instead. 

 

To put it another way currently I can define multiple slave outfits which could span from clothed (simple rough tunic) as a level 1, Level 2 could be introducing restrictive clothing, and Level 3 could be simple chains and nothing else .. and depending on relationship with your owner they could decide which slave outfit you are equipped with.

 

The issues I guess would be defining outfits that may conflict with ME .. ie; equipping an outfit that locks your hands (armbinder for example) but ME is currently expecting ropes 

 

I personally prefer the slavery route and the potential for restraints but I guess sometimes 'less is more' and if there is strong support dialogue within the game (which ME certainly has) it's not too much of an issue..

 

for example, being sold into an auction a simple collar and rope cuffs is probably very suited . .I can't think they would want to be equipping all sorts on you .. surely that's an expense they have no desire to spend on

 

 

 

[jfraser]

On 1/14/2024 at 4:01 AM, zaira said:

Because it's a mod about prostitution and slavery. Not about bondage. And the majority of restraints in DD do not fit well into the Skyrim environment. Everything in MEP shall make sense and I have no idea how to tell a good medieval story why the master force his slave into latex 🙂.

The heretic parts of DD are too clumpy for my taste, and the SMP is not yet well adapted (although there are promising improvements on the way on DD NG discord).

Bondage games as a central gameplay element wear out too quickly and become boring (my taste)- and there are so many mods out there that are focussed on this fetish.

 

I hope that DD NG gets ported to Starfield where latex and leather restraints would fit much better. As soon as a CK is available for Starfield I will very likely switch over because I prefer SciFi environments very much.

My biggest hope was Cyberpunk (I love the fucked-up, dark ambience of Night City), but quest modding is almost impossible and the existing solutions are far beyond the possibilities and usability of CreationKit.

 

 

6 hours ago, Inte said:

The prostitution part I understand, but slavery and bondage go together like hand in glove. You cannot have one without the other. 

 

I never said they have to be DD restraints. 

 

Your story takes place in a world of fire breathing dragons that can speak. People, can make fire by just thinking about it, can have thunderbolts shoot out of their hands, can shout at the weather and make it obey, can control time etc. and you have a hard time explaining latex? 

I can think of a few mods here that can accomplish that in a very lore friendly way.

Take @Laura with Laura’s Bondage Shop; There is this magical black rock that when you touch it and the rock senses your submissive tendencies, booom... latex everywhere!

Or take @Code Serpent, who is very conscientious about lore and in Devious Lore, introduced alchemists who are researching and testing DD restraints of Daedric origin, imported from the Summerset Isles, apparently.

Perhaps the DD restraints were left behind by the Dwarves.

These are only three among many other. There are also rumors of a Pink Shop that also uses and researches these restraints. 

 

If all that fails you could always go with,

type of approach. 

 

Same can be said about prostitution, it just leaves a bad taste in your mouth after a while. Wait, that came out wrong, put it back in. 
Seriously tho, all I’m saying is that Master should keep his/her slave bound at all times. At least a MCM option for it?

You’re all about lore, no? How does it make sense for anybody in Skyrim to enslave the Dragonborn, the most powerful being in Skyrim, without securing her in tight bondage? 

 

Don’t even get me started about mods that try and execute the Dragonborn. One word, etherealize. 

 

Yes, and I love every single one of them. 

Obviously this is completely a personal preference thing and there are no wrong answers. Personally, i agree with Zaira that latex feels too modern for the setting and, further, that chastity belts are silly, so i usually turn off many of the DD options when possible. 
 

that said, in my head canon, the daedra (and aedra, I suppose) could certainly be powerful enough to see through dimensions (or whatever universal setup you might care for)  and it is not far fetched to think molag bal, for instance, might like the idea of latex and manipulate things on Nirn to get someone to invent the stuff. 
 

so, although i prefer basic “normal” restraints, i can certainly entertain justifications for the existence of more…advanced contraptions. 

Edited January 16, 2024 by jfraser

[zaira]

16 hours ago, Inte said:

How does it make sense for anybody in Skyrim to enslave the Dragonborn, the most powerful being in Skyrim

Your master forces you to drink an elixir which removes all magic powers from you. He forbids weapons and might put you in restraints in dangerous zones - he could hand you over to the enemy as collateral and disappear. You are a Dragonborn only by name, not by power.

 

16 hours ago, Inte said:

Same can be said about prostitution

One of the story lines:
You start out as a beggar with nothing but a few rags to cover you. A few other mods ensure that you can't earn 1000 Septims in 5 minutes.
So what can you do but prostitute yourself?
But as soon as the Septims start ringing in your pocket, envious people come along and demand tribute. You have to work harder and harder to make a living until someone suggests you free yourself from your worries by becoming his slave.

Unfortunately, this was a lie, because your new master is greedy and so you slip deeper and deeper into a world of sex and violence.

Restraints are a small building stone in this lore - some of your Johns like to fuck you while you being bound - well, he gives you some extra Septims.

In another story you sell your body in a tavern for bed and breakfast - it could happen that the innkeeper offers you Skooma. Over the time, you become addicted, and you have to pay more and more for your drugs. At the end you can't further afford the drugs with prostitution and the only way out is into slavery.

Again, not a bondage centric lore.

 

All other prostitution story lines are all following this direction.

The slavery stories are focussed on humiliation. Even there I use restraints pretty rarely, eg. to secure you during bedtime.

 

There is one humiliation scene where a dildo is the central element - you get suspended by your neck with a slippery dildo inside. You have to keep the dildo inside to get free before you suffocates while people are watching you struggling...

Edited January 16, 2024 by zaira