Sexlab Survival

[Lupine00]

10 minutes ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

It's listed as hard requirement so i guess it does?

I think that may be a mis-description.

 

It requires SD Cages, but it doesn't have SD+ as a master. It would be strange to make it a soft-dep then describe it as a hard requirement.

 

SD Cages does not require SD+, in case you were thinking that.

[Nazzzgul666]

22 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I think that may be a mis-description.

 

It requires SD Cages, but it doesn't have SD+ as a master. It would be strange to make it a soft-dep then describe it as a hard requirement.

 

SD Cages does not require SD+, in case you were thinking that.

Nope, i was talking about that:


That it's not required is good to know though, i don't mind the other depencies all too much. I usually have amputator anyways cause it doesn't hurt when not used and SD cages, well... shouldn't hurt either. Display model should play in a similar category. I'm not really hitting any .esp limits or so, i'm just scared to add anything that might run any scripts... I'll probably start a new game soonish, Public whore checks like every 2 seconds if it should do something which will be changed in future versions and allow me to add some other stuff again.

Plus i'm not all too convinced of shrouded secret, i mostly was interested in the start quest which is removed in the current version, plus i didn't like it all too much that my male follwer has dialogue to get buttfucked by his female slave. But now that i have it i want to play a bit more with it to see a bit more content.  Shouldn't be too script heavy but...

From the descirption page though a lot of scenarios will get you enslaved by SD+, i assume not having it will do.. nothing then?
@Monoman1 When you provide more patches for it... what i'd be really grateful for would be having Fertility mode as alternative to Beeing female. BFs scans on all females in a room always caused stack dumps for me in a cell with more than 5 NPCs. Although... seeing the other content it's probably not... supposed to be seen, kinda. Like, i'd miss most content that way.

[divinefire]

43 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Yea stuff like that was planned but I just burnt out on doing comments. The problem with having a good 'crowd noise' is that you need lots of different voice types saying/doing lots of different things. And doing voices for, what ~20 different voice types is.... exhausting. I'll probably chip away at it now and then when it suits. 

Yea. Looks like an interesting mod I could hook into. Are there any drawbacks to it though? I mean is there some point where you can lose access to the house and have to fend for yourself? 

 

Don't think property licence will apply. It's part of the benefit. Also too much work to implement probably. 

Yeah there is no way to loose the house, its not really the PC's. I kind of use it as a starting point until I can get a house of my own. I have had the mod in my load order even before I found your mod. I thought of it as a snowberry start, Its no way as intense as wartimes.  You have to excempt the stash in or little sis takes all your stuff lol. I just thought i would mention it since you did some work with wartimes and were looking at other mods you might want to play around with survival.

[divinefire]

Also if your wanting another challenge way the play the mod I play survival with lola with a very demanding master for gold. Lola is very awesome in the fact you can adjust alot of stuff to make it very easy or very hard. I also play with the sexlab adventures patch with survival license with pretty hefty fines. Needless to say my PC has to please the guards with sexlab paycrime daily plus what I have to make for the lola master so she stays busy. Serving tables with radiant prostitution, sex with clients for sexlab approach/sexlab drunk, pickpocketing jerks who treat her bad or won't pay are all part of the daily routine. Thats why I was eager for dancing as it could mean a forth profession haha.

[Krashark]

About cum: is there any plan to add craftable potions to "ease" the cum addiction over the time, like the lactacid remedy in Milk Addict?

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, divinefire said:

Lola is very awesome in the fact you can adjust alot of stuff to make it very easy or very hard

I tried Lola. But it just doesn't seem to be to my personal tastes. It all seems fairly.... optional. By that I mean you can tell your follower to go fuck herself and ok you get a whipping or some shocks but that's it. I don't see any real motivation to comply. It also struck me a bit odd that my PC would reject whatever small errand the follower had in mind by telling her in no uncertain terms to 'Go fuck herself' and then willingly submit to a whipping... My general roleplay approach is resistance until broken type affair (Not wanting to be a slave but gradually accepting it and maybe eventually wanting it). Whereas Lola is more about reluctant experimentation from what I've played (PC is unsure but open). The two approaches are pretty dissimilar IMO. 

 

I probably didn't give it enough of a chance tbh. But my game is borderline dumpster fire anyway. I had that saving with no papyrus chunk problem again yesterday. Perhaps it's something to do with my failing disk. Doubt it though. 

[Monoman1]

7 minutes ago, Vaccinated Alligator said:

About cum: is there any plan to add craftable potions to "ease" the cum addiction over the time, like the lactacid remedy in Milk Addict?

Maybe sometime. 

Try disabling 'cum blocks recovery' or something like that it's called. It stops addiction decay if there's so much as a drop of cum in/on you. 

I find it's a good bit more controllable then. 

[Corsayr]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

not getting my licences wet. (didn't think I'd like this mechanic but it's grown on me).

 

?

 

3 hours ago, Nymra said:

Does SL defeat support dragons? 

 

They work but often times they are agro-d to several different things and will keep fighting those things after you go down giving you plenty of time to get back up again. 

[Lupine00]

3 hours ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

Beeing female

I never got past level 15 in a game with BF in it before it rotted it to death.

BF wrecked every game I had it in.

Maybe just bad luck?

[Fulanoo]

16 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I never got past level 15 in a game with BF in it before it rotted it to death.

BF wrecked every game I had it in.

Maybe just bad luck?

It breaks your save? I was planning on adding it to my load order.

[divinefire]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I tried Lola. But it just doesn't seem to be to my personal tastes. It all seems fairly.... optional. By that I mean you can tell your follower to go fuck herself and ok you get a whipping or some shocks but that's it. I don't see any real motivation to comply. It also struck me a bit odd that my PC would reject whatever small errand the follower had in mind by telling her in no uncertain terms to 'Go fuck herself' and then willingly submit to a whipping... My general roleplay approach is resistance until broken type affair (Not wanting to be a slave but gradually accepting it and maybe eventually wanting it). Whereas Lola is more about reluctant experimentation from what I've played (PC is unsure but open). The two approaches are pretty dissimilar IMO. 

 

I probably didn't give it enough of a chance tbh. But my game is borderline dumpster fire anyway. I had that saving with no papyrus chunk problem again yesterday. Perhaps it's something to do with my failing disk. Doubt it though. 

I'm sure Hex will take notes now and make us Lola players pay for that in some way.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, divinefire said:

I'm sure Hex will take notes now and make us Lola players pay for that in some way.

Its not so much about taking notes though. What he's doing is a perfectly valid approach. Its just not exactly to my own taste. And thats fine.

Thats all.

[Nazzzgul666]

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

I never got past level 15 in a game with BF in it before it rotted it to death.

BF wrecked every game I had it in.

Maybe just bad luck?

Same for me, that's why i requested Fertility mode as alternative.^^

[mangalo]

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

I never got past level 15 in a game with BF in it before it rotted it to death.

BF wrecked every game I had it in.

Maybe just bad luck?

 

BF without the patches will wreck your save, it is a nuclear plant.  However the patches made by Bane master and Uncle (I think) made it quite stable.

Both Fertility and BF are abandoned by their author anyway

[Krashark]

37 minutes ago, mangalo said:

Both Fertility and BF are abandoned by their author anyway

Fertility is being "maintained" by someone else in Nexus (can't remember the username right now). It's a separated patch that contains mostly bugfixes and small improvements.

[Nazzzgul666]

1 hour ago, mangalo said:

 

BF without the patches will wreck your save, it is a nuclear plant.  However the patches made by Bane master and Uncle (I think) made it quite stable.

Both Fertility and BF are abandoned by their author anyway

I had those patches... and BF wrecked my save anyways. DI'm happy with FM as it is, pretty much. I didn't notice anything really wrong, at least. Using the Nexus version though as i noticed it's more up to date.

[boita]

@Monoman1 I had a curious notification message in top left, after the partner orgasmed.

 

I also did a last try with the property eviction, by removing the windhelm home key i had before updating SL Survival but no sucess, I still "own" Windelm's home after the update. I'll move on, just writing it here if someone else has the same issue.

[Lupine00]

6 hours ago, Fulanoo said:

t breaks your save? I was planning on adding it to my load order.

Fertility Mode does most things BF does, but without a broken game. Never had any bother from FM.

 

  

2 hours ago, mangalo said:

However the patches made by Bane master and Uncle (I think) made it quite stable.

Both Fertility and BF are abandoned by their author anyway

I tried with the patches and got a tiny Fukushima, so I'm guessing they don't quite fix it.

 

Back to FM for me, which wasn't broken to start with, so lack of maintenance is less of an issue ... but it seems to be getting sufficient development.

[Monoman1]

25 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

tried with the patches and got a tiny Fukushima, so I'm guessing they don't quite fix it

Can someone describe this resultant chernobyl with more relevant terms please? 

I swapped out sgo for BF to try out wartime. 

58 minutes ago, boita said:

@Monoman1 I had a curious notification message in top left, after the partner orgasmed.

 

I also did a last try with the property eviction, by removing the windhelm home key i had before updating SL Survival but no sucess, I still "own" Windelm's home after the update. I'll move on, just writing it here if someone else has the same issue.

Yea I forgot about that. Nothing to worry about. Just need to swap a false for true. Its desyncing of sound from holding up the script with delays to FHU. 

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Can someone describe this resultant chernobyl with more relevant terms please?

Suspended stacks, growing save files, a log full of errors about None properties and mismatched types.

BF manifesting completely crazy stuff in game. Stuck pregnant indefinitely, or lactating indefinitely.

Multiple different pregnancies trying to run at once.

Absurd nonsense applied in NiOverride wrecking the look of the PC.

Widgets showing nonsense or just vanishing completely.

+

all the usual side effects of a game full of suspended stacks, such as increasingly slow script execution and inexplicable script lag, and of course the afore-mentioned save bloat.

 

If you have these issues ... you will know.

 

I never saw the total loss of Papyrus chunk, but maybe if you persist long enough that's how it ends?

 

But, the problems usually take a while to show up. Sometimes you can get through one pregnancy ok and see it on later ones.

Sometimes the first pregnancy turns the game to mush. It's got longer before disaster with the various fixes and patches applied, but ultimately, I still always got a wrecked game. It just wastes more of your time than if it fails early.

 

The only way I found to save such games was to strip BF and remove its scripts with a save cleaning tool. In such cases they were able to live a long and happy life afterwards. In others, there were issues besides... too much incidental damage done.

 

Funny enough, it was one of the first mods I tried on SE. It was a wreck there too.

 

 

You have enough experiences like that with a mod, you start thinking, maybe there are alternatives ... and there are.

I've certainly had FM go wrong, but not in a way that caused a serious problem, only in ways that stopped FM from working, not everything else.

[Lupine00]

10 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I don't see any real motivation to comply. It also struck me a bit odd that my PC would reject whatever small errand the follower had in mind by telling her in no uncertain terms to 'Go fuck herself' and then willingly submit to a whipping...

Lola doesn't really fit the SLS dialog style. Neither does DFC for that matter. All three differ in tone and content.

 

Lola was a softer path in a world where SD was another way. Your SD master will outright kill you if you don't comply.

Your DF's most extreme act is to dump you bound in the sightless pit with large bounties in most holds.

It's not exactly murder, though that depends on your defeat mod.

 

Would DFC work better if the enslavement mode could kill you? Would it feel more logical to comply?

I'm not sure that's the important part. It's more about tone and content.

DFC has to manage gender ambiguity for the follower and the PC, so it can't take a pure "sexist guards" style approach like SLS.

That limits the extent that it will hand out condescension, patronizing gas-lighting, or outright bullying and abuse.

It's the sheer volume of dialog variations and attendant conditions required that are stopping it.

 

Some people would like Lola to be SD+, but I'd prefer SD+ to be the one that changes - though not in tone.

Its system of regard and the tasks it gives don't make sense in the context of a lot of enslavements and never have.

Now that the core functions are stable, I dream that along with things like Red Wave (which is being worked on at last) those will eventually be made better.

However, those unachievable ends make a sort of sense if you appreciate that most owners are happy to see you die, or are actively working towards it.

The issue is more that escape is too awkward now, or with creatures, effectively impossible.

Still, it's not quite immersive. It doesn't quite deliver the "toy used to destruction by bandits" experience, or "troll's pet" experience, or "conjurer's experiment experience", or ... anything very specific.

 

For SD+, it's been a long journey, but nobody can fairly say that DBF didn't put in a lot of effort and make a bunch of mods that a lot of people like.

As a defeat outcome, it's still often the best, because it's not easy. It really does put a damper on your Skyrim adventures.

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

I didn't like Lola's tone either. It was a very odd kind-of consensual affair. My favorite part about it by far is that your follower will sometimes put you in a device restraint in town while they go do errands (each town has a custom restraint). But then, they'll only do that if your submission is high enough, which I guess implies that it is consensual? I prefer nonconsensual so it isn't to my taste, though the device binding in particular is nice.

SD+ is much more to my liking, but objectively Lola is a better mod. At the end of the day, SD is just very janky with the way enslavement works. For example, I've never once been able to figure out how to actually escape slavery, I've always had to reload.

And I agree with the people about stashes. I never have used them even once. The most I've done is hidden a lockpick up my ass, lol.

 

[Fulanoo]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Fertility Mode does most things BF does, but without a broken game. Never had any bother from FM.

Thanks, gonna check it out.

[Lupine00]

3 hours ago, 2generic said:

SD+ is much more to my liking, but objectively Lola is a better mod. At the end of the day, SD is just very janky with the way enslavement works. For example, I've never once been able to figure out how to actually escape slavery, I've always had to reload.

That sums up a lot of complexity very succinctly.

 

I have made many escapes from SD+, but the most reliable way to go about it is strange:

Spoiler

1) gain sufficient trust of master for them to start following you

OR

2) the master goes walkabout of their own accord and you take advantage of rubber-banding tricks to drag them around

THEN

3) drag the master into a fight with some hostile NPCs and once they are dead, loot the corpse.

 

This won't work for a tough creature like a frost-troll or high-level Falmer, because it kills everything but high-level dragons.

And for no obvious reason, townsfolk etc aren't aggro on the creature, and will let it enter inns, or palaces, or any place.

If you do manage to provoke a fight by trying to defect to another owner, the creature may still win anyway.

 

For bandits and other pond-scum, the lead-to-death works pretty reliably.

 

For some masters there is another approach. Serve them until they get bored and let you go.

This won't work on some masters, who will sell you instead, or try to kill you.

Nor does it work on creatures at all, which never grow bored of you (at least didn't used to, I'd like to hope maybe it's fixed now?)

 

Another, extremely fringe way to escape, is to get a high pick pocket skill and then rob the master during their sleep.

They are hyper sensitive to this, so it requires extreme skill.

SD Cages and SD Patch may block this though - by design - making pick pocket escape all but impossible.

 

A final possibility is simply to kill the owner. But how? You have no magicka, and if you raise a weapon you'll be shocked hard.

You need to be able to kill them fast. Sometimes it's possible, especially if they are low HP for other reasons.

 

 

[yeahhowaboutnooo]

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Suspended stacks, growing save files, a log full of errors about None properties and mismatched types.

BF manifesting completely crazy stuff in game. Stuck pregnant indefinitely, or lactating indefinitely.

Multiple different pregnancies trying to run at once.

Absurd nonsense applied in NiOverride wrecking the look of the PC.

Widgets showing nonsense or just vanishing completely.

+

all the usual side effects of a game full of suspended stacks, such as increasingly slow script execution and inexplicable script lag, and of course the afore-mentioned save bloat.

 

If you have these issues ... you will know.

 

I never saw the total loss of Papyrus chunk, but maybe if you persist long enough that's how it ends?

 

But, the problems usually take a while to show up. Sometimes you can get through one pregnancy ok and see it on later ones.

Sometimes the first pregnancy turns the game to mush. It's got longer before disaster with the various fixes and patches applied, but ultimately, I still always got a wrecked game. It just wastes more of your time than if it fails early.

 

The only way I found to save such games was to strip BF and remove its scripts with a save cleaning tool. In such cases they were able to live a long and happy life afterwards. In others, there were issues besides... too much incidental damage done.

 

Funny enough, it was one of the first mods I tried on SE. It was a wreck there too.

 

 

You have enough experiences like that with a mod, you start thinking, maybe there are alternatives ... and there are.

I've certainly had FM go wrong, but not in a way that caused a serious problem, only in ways that stopped FM from working, not everything else.

 

Was this with the patches posted by banemaster?

 

I'm on SSE, my char is lvl 35 and thus far everything's working. (Have installed BF ca. a year ago)

(Tbf: I did manage to not get pregnant and disabled BF for npcs though)