Sexlab Survival

[lcewolf]

Did you plan to work on the whore liscense in the next update?

 

And thank you for this mod. I can't make any new game without this mod.

 

I like it!

[Monoman1]

9 hours ago, lcewolf said:

you plan to work on the whore liscense in the next update?

Not really. Well maybe a little. Indirectly. Dancing will be a part of the next update. Which sort of feeds into whoring. I posted about it here: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/99955-sexlab-survival/?do=findComment&comment=3278741

 

 

Just finished with the debug overlays menu. Preview of that on the mods features page. 

Then i immediately got side tracked into a little daydreaming easter egg. Spoilers:

Spoiler

Voices in your head urging you to suck dicks when talking to men. Its worked out fairly well I think. The voices drown out normal dialogue when speaking (normal dialogue volume is lowered) so it has that effect of the PC losing focus and unable to think of anything except cock. And the voices are random enough to be funny, interesting and even downright pushy at times. 

 

I'll be doing the freedom licence before whore anyway. Still taking suggestions for freedom licence but I think without a freedom licence you will probably be:

1. Forced to wear a mandatory devious uniform - cuffs, collar, boots, gloves, gag.

2. Unable to buy any other licence

3. Existing licences confiscated

4. Quadruple inn room costs - Encourage sleeping in the kennel. 

5. Double buying costs, half selling prices without one - Encourage dancing/whoring/pickpocketing to pay. 

 

Maybe:

1. Need to report to the kennel before curfew?

2  no leaving town? Difficult to manage that around toll evasion. 

3. Slave hunting parties - you left town illegally without a freedom licence. 

4. ??

 

Then I have to figure out how freedom affects whoring. Why would anyone pay for a whore when you can just use a free fuck slave?

[Monoman1]

BTW does anyone know how to place text beside a picture on this forum?

[Pinute]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Then I have to figure out how freedom affects whoring. Why would anyone pay for a whore when you can just use a free fuck slave?

 

Possibly that without a freedom license you're a possession of the hold, therefore your free availability is only to yarls, guards and thanes, and that a cut of your profits from whoring while unfree also goes to the hold? Maybe a daily requirement to present your earnings to the steward.

[Black714]

17 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I'll be doing the freedom licence before whore anyway. Still taking suggestions for freedom licence but I think without a freedom licence you will probably be:

1. Forced to wear a mandatory devious uniform - cuffs, collar, boots, gloves, gag.

2. Unable to buy any other licence

3. Existing licences confiscated

4. Quadruple inn room costs - Encourage sleeping in the kennel. 

5. Double buying costs, half selling prices without one - Encourage dancing/whoring/pickpocketing to pay. 

 

Maybe:

1. Need to report to the kennel before curfew?

2  no leaving town? Difficult to manage that around toll evasion. 

3. Slave hunting parties - you left town illegally without a freedom licence. 

4. ??

 

 

I Think Freedom License Can Be Simple But Powerful. Like Magic License (Curse Collar) Did.

 

Anyway Have A Plan For "Chastity Belt With Timer Vibration Control System?"

For Discipline A Woman When Adventuring/Far From City? --> Freedom License?

If Really Happen, That Will Be Awesome. Two Mandatory Device "Chastity and Plug" Should Be Simple Enough, Erotic and Powerful.

 

 

My Reason:

1. That Looks More Complicated and Crowded With To Much Device Like Boots, Cuff, Gloves Etc That Will Equip Into Player.
2. Control Collar is Already Made (Magic License), Also Reasonable for Freedom License is Chastity-Plug Device.
3. Chastity Belt for Avoid Any Rape Event "Chaurus, Parasite, Rape, Kidnaped) or Any Mods Related". Most of Them Happen Outside The City Wall.
4. Vibrating Plug Can Make Woman Must Report Back After Some Time.
   • Check For Item, License, Device, Curfew, and more toll.
   • Longer Not Report, More Strong and Intense The Vibration Can Happen!
5. She Can't Get Freedom Even She Goes Outside, That "Freedom License" Should Be.

 

My Opinion:

Without Freedom License: Woman Should Be Under Control Even She Going Outside. --> That's Can Be The Best Dynamic BDSM Event And Control System.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Aki K]

18 hours ago, PInute said:

 

I also had this problem once in Markarth. When I started trying to figure out what was happening I discovered that I'd had a stack dump shortly before (it seems every mod I had that was listening for a crosshair ref all fired repeatedly and rapidly. I'd seen this before, no idea what causes it.). I retreated to the previous save, sat around for a real time hour in breezehome to let scripts settle and continued (I swear I read on tesalliance that waiting like that helps). Dialogues worked and I've had no related problems since.

 

Yeah that seems to be the case. Also, randomly the kennel animals started spawning again. No idea what the issue was. I didn't change anything.

 

So for the most part things seem functional now. Although I briefly had a moment where, despite turning it off, my character was still getting orgasm fatigue.

[Krashark]

10 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I'll be doing the freedom licence before whore anyway. Still taking suggestions for freedom licence but I think without a freedom licence you will probably be:

1. Forced to wear a mandatory devious uniform - cuffs, collar, boots, gloves, gag.

2. Unable to buy any other licence

3. Existing licences confiscated

4. Quadruple inn room costs - Encourage sleeping in the kennel. 

5. Double buying costs, half selling prices without one - Encourage dancing/whoring/pickpocketing to pay. 

some extra suggestions:

- having to ask for permission to use crafting furniture in cities/towns;

- confiscating your devious keys and lockpicks;

not sure about the difficult of implementation of these, but there are some ideas to restrict the... um... freedom of your character.

[UnEvenSteven]

1 hour ago, Vaccinated Alligator said:

some extra suggestions:

- having to ask for permission to use crafting furniture in cities/towns;

 

Check out the merged version of stradivuckos's mods. I suggest the merged version instead of the author's individual mods since they can be configured or turned off in the the MCM.

 

It includes Crafting Requires Permission, you have to ask to use any crafting apparatus and even pay to use them. It also includes other mods that'll make your character's life more difficult such as Hunting Requires Permit and More Punishable Crimes.

[Krashark]

49 minutes ago, UnEvenSteven said:

 

Check out the merged version of stradivuckos's mods. I suggest the merged version instead of the author's individual mods since they can be configured or turned off in the the MCM.

 

It includes Crafting Requires Permission, you have to ask to use any crafting apparatus and even pay to use them. It also includes other mods that'll make your character's life more difficult such as Hunting Requires Permit and More Punishable Crimes.

Never heard of this, but those mods sound very interesting. Will give it a try in a new gameplay (probably in a few days since now I'm very busy with rl issues and can barely play skyrim)

The only work on my side will be converting it to SSE, but it's kinda easy ?

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, UnEvenSteven said:

Check out the merged version of stradivuckos's mods. I suggest the merged version instead of the author's individual mods since they can be configured or turned off in the the MCM.

I tried these mods a while back as the basic ideas were appealing.

 

The feel wasn't quite in keeping with SLS/STA or SFMEA.

They sound like they should fit, but I ended up removing them and hoping that SLS would implement its own more-sexy versions of them.

 

I guess the issue for me are:

The only punishment is bounties. SLS offers more interesting punishments.

SLS can punish you for drawing a weapon, so drawing one in front of the Jarl should be more severely punished; instead its sort of a muddle with two mods trying to handle it.

Vagrancy also overlaps with SLS. Overall SLS is just better for this, so the strad version seems redundant.

Hunting permits are both unimmersive, and meaningless in my game.

 

The biggest gap in SLS is "crafting requires permission", and FMEA has that covered.

 

The looting corpses feature is super-interesting, but is insufficiently polished to work well.

 

If this were more selective, it would work a better:

• It should only run any script at all if the crime faction involved is the main one for the hold you're in.
• It should matter what corpse you are looting. Guards should react especially to looting a guard corpse.
• Citizens should call guards if they see you loot a citizen corpse.
• You should be able to pickpocket or stealth to get away with it.
• It suffers from the penalty being limited to bounties.
• It should probably be suspended during civil war scenes.
• Vanilla corpse cleanup needs to be improved. This is unimmersive when bodies of local citizens are left out on the street for hours.

 

It's becoming my mantra, but making a feature work is just the start of any Skyrim mod. Making a feature good takes twice as long as the original implementation. Or ten times as long. The strad mods feel like quick demos of an idea that isn't properly finished, but they haven't been worked on in years. They aren't being improved. Pity. 

 

Spells require stamina and the spell learning requirements are interesting mods I haven't tried, and I think those would work very well for me, even in a simple form. However, a full spell-study mod is better yet. I keep meaning to back-port the SE one that works for all spells including added ones.

 

The "Really Simple Follower Tweaks" doesn't seem really simple at all, and seems more likely to really conflict with other mods. NFF, DF, and SLTR already cover loot and operating expenses so probably not useful to most SLS users.

[lcewolf]

15 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

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Voices in your head urging you to suck dicks when talking to men. Its worked out fairly well I think. The voices drown out normal dialogue when speaking (normal dialogue volume is lowered) so it has that effect of the PC losing focus and unable to think of anything except cock. And the voices are random enough to be funny, interesting and even downright pushy at times. 

 

I'll be doing the freedom licence before whore anyway. Still taking suggestions for freedom licence but I think without a freedom licence you will probably be:

1. Forced to wear a mandatory devious uniform - cuffs, collar, boots, gloves, gag.

2. Unable to buy any other licence

3. Existing licences confiscated

4. Quadruple inn room costs - Encourage sleeping in the kennel. 

5. Double buying costs, half selling prices without one - Encourage dancing/whoring/pickpocketing to pay. 

 

Maybe:

1. Need to report to the kennel before curfew?

2  no leaving town? Difficult to manage that around toll evasion. 

3. Slave hunting parties - you left town illegally without a freedom licence. 

4. ??

 

Then I have to figure out how freedom affects whoring. Why would anyone pay for a whore when you can just use a free fuck slave?

All like all those new idea. I personally enjoy when my character is forced to be naked.

 

Guard; What do you think you are doing with those clothes! (Strip/steal clothing) When the curfew is in effect Whore, you are not allow to walk around with these.

 

But i am sure you will find a better idea :D.

 

Thank you

[Black714]

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

All like all those new idea. I personally enjoy when my character is forced to be naked.

 

Guard; What do you think you are doing with those clothes! (Strip/steal clothing) When the curfew is in effect Whore, you are not allow to walk around with these.

 

But i am sure you will find a better idea :D.

 

Thank you

I Think It’s Already Integrated With Slaverun, Or Maybe You Can Try City Bondage or Player Exhibition Mods.

[Texmarker]

Hi, i have a conflict i am trying to resolve and would appreciate some input.

 

I want to use this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24356 to reduce skill gain from useage to 0, to use this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30410 to gain skills on levelling. However, with SLS installed, the first mod does not work and i still raise my skills through useage. I thought it would be related to the sex related skill gain settings so i disabled this option in SLS, but that does not help. I checked for conflicts in SseEdit, but there is no problem, so the problem has to be script related.

 

Did i overlook another setting in SLS or do i have to ditch my idea of having this kind of levelling with SLS installed?

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, Texmarker said:

Hi, i have a conflict i am trying to resolve and would appreciate some input.

 

I want to use this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24356 to reduce skill gain from useage to 0, to use this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30410 to gain skills on levelling. However, with SLS installed, the first mod does not work and i still raise my skills through useage. I thought it would be related to the sex related skill gain settings so i disabled this option in SLS, but that does not help. I checked for conflicts in SseEdit, but there is no problem, so the problem has to be script related.

 

Did i overlook another setting in SLS or do i have to ditch my idea of having this kind of levelling with SLS installed?

Have you tried disabling inequality skill gain debuff?

That's the only skill modififier in sls AFAIR

Dunno why it would be increasing your gain though. Unless you're male

[Monoman1]

19 hours ago, Black714 said:

Without Freedom License: Woman Should Be Under Control Even She Going Outside.

It's an interesting idea but there are some difficulties or flaws. 

 

1. SLS does not have a hard dependency with DD (and never will). So I'm limited in what I can create. Sort of complicated stuff can be created like the magic collar but it involved a lot of tricky fiddling. 

2. You can just pick/unlock your way out of anything I could possibly create. That might be just fine. I'm not sure. 

3. I'm not big on chastity personally..... I guess I could go with an open belt and vag plug. But the idea of taking away your freedom should also mean you're fair game to be raped without consequence. And chastity belts are not exactly conducive to sex. 

4. Constant vibration events and stopping to watch an animation may get pretty annoying. Pretty fast. 

5. You may get legitimately ported away from town by another mod. That's a headache. 

[Monoman1]

9 hours ago, lcewolf said:

All like all those new idea. I personally enjoy when my character is forced to be naked.

Well without a clothes licence you'll have to be naked. 

[Monoman1]

10 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

The feel wasn't quite in keeping with SLS/STA or SFMEA.

Great. Just after I downloaded it to try it out! 

Ah well. I'll see how it goes....

[Monoman1]

21 hours ago, PInute said:

 

Possibly that without a freedom license you're a possession of the hold, therefore your free availability is only to yarls, guards and thanes, and that a cut of your profits from whoring while unfree also goes to the hold? Maybe a daily requirement to present your earnings to the steward.

Hmm. That's sort of fine from the player's perspective but from the npc perspective....: 

PC: Hey baby. What to have some fun? 

NPC: Sure!

PC: That'll be 100 septims. 

NPC: *Grabs you bends you over and rapes you. Leaves without paying. Because you're a slave you've no comeback really*

[Lupine00]

5 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Ah well. I'll see how it goes....

Nice feature demo, but bounties for everything is kind of vanilla.

That's one big difference between the feel of SL Adventures and SLS, and its even more present in that mod collection.

Also ... hunter license? Requires entire Robin Hood mod IMHO.

[Black714]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

 

I guess I could go with an open belt and vag plug.

Thanks Monoman1.

 

I Just Realized SLS Not Have Any Dependency to Any Mods. ?

I Know That's Involved a Lot of Tricky Fiddling, Since CK Condition Function Still Limited.

[Pinute]

13 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmm. That's sort of fine from the player's perspective but from the npc perspective....: 

PC: Hey baby. What to have some fun? 

NPC: Sure!

PC: That'll be 100 septims. 

NPC: *Grabs you bends you over and rapes you. Leaves without paying. Because you're a slave you've no comeback really*

 

Yep, but that's a consequence of most prostitution mods already. Should probably rob her too

 

edit: the Jarl might be a bit pissed on their not getting their cut and provide some additional punishment. "It's your fault for getting robbed of my money."

 

But as you said you've other things on the hopper so maybe consider this stuff for cogitation later. And on reflection, in my mind this is sort of a replacement for Slaverun's required reporting.

[Guest]

Is there racist dialogue?

[Corsayr]

53 minutes ago, Temno Rytsar said:

Is there racist dialogue?

 

no just sexist

 

Adding racial components to dialog creates a ton of extra branches and just spirals out of control. ?

 

Even if you grouped all the elf races together that is still like 6 races that need independent reactions to each other race. ?

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

Some suggestions for the freedom license:

It could make the penalties for all the normal stuff worse. Caught after curfew? The toll collector finds some things you aren't supposed to have? Guard sees you pull your fists out? Etc. Normally you just get a warning (and probably a spank on the ass), but without a freedom license, perhaps they'll see you as just an unruly slave in need of something harsher, immediately. Straight to the kennel, arm binding, pilloried, etc. Something like that. So, basically, you'd have to really watch your step.

Another idea is to have NPCs (or just guards) harangue the PC from time to time (after all, she has no freedom. Why not?). Could be anything - rape, bindings, taking gold or an item, or maybe just a force greet saying something sexist or rude (could even give a confidence debuff to all skills for an hour or two). So every hour, there's an X% chance that one of these things happens.

Another idea would be anything involving device bondage. Not a lot of mods actually use stuff like pillories, X-crosses, or the variety of device animations and idles available in Zaz or DD. It makes me sad! So having penalties associated with getting stuck like that would be awesome, and also would fit very well the theme.

[Lupine00]

56 minutes ago, 2generic said:

Some suggestions for the freedom license:

Some quite different ideas of what the freedom license is:

• No freedom license means you are a slave - fine with Slaverun, not so fine for any other setup.
• No freedom license means you're a woman who isn't allowed out of the city.
• Or not allowed out of city without imposing additional controls.

 

I'd get more value out of it, if it were about women's freedoms in general, rather than slave specific.

But I think Monoman's original concept was that it would fit tightly with Slaverun - it's called "Freedom license", not "Travel license", or "License to Sass"  

 

Without Slaverun, it's hard to explain why all woman are slaves without a "license", so I struggle with immersion on that point, but others may vary.

A license for freedom doesn't fit that well with the idea of what my idea enslavement is.

It's not a concept that SLS grapples with right now; it leaves it open for the player to decide - but the freedom license pushes it towards taking a specific position.

It seems unlikely that will please most people unless they have additional options to configure it.

 

Here's one scenario...

Spoiler

 

While in "sexist Skyrim" all women are property, most are property of a husband or belong to a family (the father owns and is responsible for his daughters).

Even many men may "belong" to their Jarl, or Thane, or even a random rich jackass like Nazeem.

But that doesn't make them slaves as such, because they are normal people.

Slaves are low status scum. Foreigners with no money. Captives taken as loot from distant locations (or even relatively close ones). Nobodies, kidnapped by bandits and never ransomed, and people born into slavery.

 

In such a setup, freedom from slavery is not something you license; you're either a slave or you aren't.

If you have an owner, who has the ability to ability to dispense almost any punishment short of death, and maybe even that too, and who may have other means of control, then you're a slave. And if you don't, you're free, until somebody shows up claiming to own you. People from local families would have no problem proving they aren't slaves because everyone knows it. The PC, who is probably an outsider, might have more problems, but a license won't help.

 

I guess the key concept here is that a person can be "property" without being a "slave", because most people are property, and freedom is for the rich.

 

 

For that sort of setting, a "freedom license" could allow a woman some limited self-determination. It's a way of saying that despite the lack of a male relative to look after her, she isn't a slave, or the property of a brothel, or a vagrant. Such a person should hire guards to protect them. Maybe sometimes those guards might be a bit -over- protective, but they're also a symbol of status - if you can pay them.

 

As such, a freedom license could be required:

• to buy any other license
• before you can hire a follower
• before you can buy various goods from merchants (anything other than girly clothes or household goods)
• to leave the city at all and travel within the hold
• to stay at an inn without a guard (unless you are property of the inn keeper)
• to speak to the Jarl or his retainers and officials (such as the steward, but other than guards and the quartermaster) or even enter his palace
• to buy a whore license unless you are the property of a brothel

A women with her husband wouldn't have such limitations, because she has a man with her and any time she opens her mouth it's with his permission.

The limitations on selling that come from the other licenses is quite sufficient without adding to it.

 

I've always struggled a little with the way tolls work, and the locked gate mechanic.

Thus, I don't play with locked gates, and set an 8 hours timer, or longer.

That allows my character to travel around the hold, without having to pay a toll.

Up to a point, I can configure what I want.

 

However, the follower requirement is a bit clunky.

I want to lock in a follower requirement, but I also want to be able to leave the city without a follower, as long as I'm back in time.

 

Maybe follower enforcement could be linked to toll enforcement?

So, you could leave town for X hours and come back, and no problems.

But if you stay away too long, not only are you fined and punished, but you get the obligatory follower.

 

However, if you had to buy a freedom license to get a follower, then in a situation where SLS wants to assign you a follower and can't because you lack the license, you should get some severe punishment, such as being given to the kennel or an inn-keeper, not as a slave exactly, but as property. For the inn-keeper, as a worker (whore or otherwise) and for the kennel-master ... he can do as he likes ... for example...

 

Spoiler

He could lock you in slave chains and a ring gag. Recommended with the gags block all trading feature.

He will only remove the chains once you've paid him 1000 gold, which you are allowed out of the kennel to earn - but not out of the city.

Nor are you allowed to buy any licenses while in debt to the kennel.

You must return to the kennel to sleep - where the kennel master will take full advantage of you.

Each night in the kennel also reduces your debt by 200, so there's incentive not to dodge it.