Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[donttouchmethere]

8 hours ago, eulexia said:

Not sure what causes this, but it's certainly an annoying bug.

The tail on your Pony is missing!

thats why the DF quest got stuck ^^

 

But on a more serious note:

I have that issue too from time to time

what happend in my game:

> DF quest wasn't able to find the a horse

> I found out that I have a bounty in that city

> traveling to a city stable without bounty and the quest continued

 

only tested that 2 times and moving away from the bounty city helped

so it might still be coincidence

[Nazzzgul666]

8 hours ago, Lozeak said:

It searches for them by name... will see if I can find a better way considering I'm better at modding now.

Race maybe? I didn't try it yet, but if it searches for names i guess that my horses are in german would break it, while MNC/creature framework/Sexlab don't have problems since races are the same.

[Lupine00]

Very excited to learn that new Lozeak content may be on the way! Cannot wait to play it!

[Nazzzgul666]

Finally got ill and had some time to play, yay!

Some minor (at least non game breaking) stuff:

1. Wearing the follower belt, i'm unable to use/switch buttplugs, afaik that's intended by DD even with open buttplugs... so if i agree, i have to reload since i can't unequip that belt on my own.

2. Not sure if intended, but whoring out doesn't seem to trigger with that open belt. I'd say there are still two holes for use, but i guess that's taste if it should work that way.

3. When beeing whored out and shared, some filters would be appropiate i think. DF started a threesome with me, my follower and a horse, which imho has three problems at once:

  a) There is no such animation, my character just stood around

  b) It doesn't make much sense that my follower is fucked when she makes me a whore, she should be excluded. Only exception would be if you trigger Leitos MFC animation where  an NPC holds the PC down while PC gets fucked by a dog, that would fit, but i'm not sure if that's possible without making it a requirement (or better, if alternatives work if not installed).

  c) creatures... i don't have a problem with that in general, but i think that might better be a fourth stage? I have something in mind like either agree to that as a next deal, or if owned:

Spoiler

 

Customer: "I don't want to fuck that bitch, who knows what has been in there before? But i'd pay if she fucks that <animal>."

<Popup> Complain/Agree

If you chose complain, there are chances that you get away with it, or that you are forced to wear a gag instead, or that you get a gag and get fucked anyways. If already wearing a gag, instead of complain/agree you can only mumble and it'll be considered agreement. If you get a gag that way, it counts as new deal without reducing debts. If you agree, that counts as "creature sex" deal with reducing debts.

 

4. I couldn't find the CBBE files for the whore armors or the folder for custom armors... how exactly is that supposed to work?

5. When i bought out of the... ownership? The deal to wear a belt, collar and something else, my debt was increased for not wearing the tings while DD was still busy to unequip them. Imho checking less often in general would solve that and be ok, but at least a timer when ending a deal would be nice for low end potatos like mine.^^ Maybe a "performance" button like in cursed loots MCM to have both options?

[Tean123s]

hey,

as i read your new options adding to the game a npc who stalks the player and makes her to allow the npc to accept her, I was fully with you.

Bu then the npc I always set up as the devious wont work that well anymore.

Maybe You can add the option to make any npc to be the stalking npc. I would really appreciate that part. So I could keep my follower as it is but he will be even more devious^^.

Dunno if this option is too complicated when u are modding. But anyway wanted to ask if it is possible.

[Lostdreamer]

On 12/11/2018 at 12:58 AM, donttouchmethere said:

> DF quest wasn't able to find the a horse

> I found out that I have a bounty in that city

> traveling to a city stable without bounty and the quest continued

Interesting. I've never managed to get this one to work, and I wonder if you have found the reason.

 

Given I generally have various Public Indecency etc running, it's entirely possible I have always had a bounty for nudity / getting mugged and raped in the street / etc.

 

Does the bounty change how you interact with the horse in vanilla? I guess it's just going to add to your bounty if you steal it either way, but... Dunno. I'd test it a bit, but I'm actually part way through a playthrough. If it does trigger I might try clearing the bounty and seeing if it helps tho.

[donttouchmethere]

3 minutes ago, Lostdreamer said:

Interesting. I've never managed to get this one to work, and I wonder if you have found the reason.

 

Given I generally have various Public Indecency etc running, it's entirely possible I have always had a bounty for nudity / getting mugged and raped in the street / etc.

 

Does the bounty change how you interact with the horse in vanilla? I guess it's just going to add to your bounty if you steal it either way, but... Dunno. I'd test it a bit, but I'm actually part way through a playthrough. If it does trigger I might try clearing the bounty and seeing if it helps tho.

that would be great if you could test that too

on my game bounty is randomly added by POP

the bounty was so high enough that a guard would force greet

on my tests I had bounty in

if bounty in Windhelm => traveling to whiterun worked

if bounty in Whiterun => traveling to windhelm worked

or just the fast travel via carriage solved the issue ^^

 

the idea came me because bounty was able to break CD scenes too (if high enough)

and in older SD versions (pop) bounty could break SD scenes

[pnutz78]

Hi Lozeak,

 

first of all thank you very much for this mod- finally something that makes questing with a companion more intriguing :-). I do have a couple of questions observations and wanted to run this by you to see if you had any recommendations:

1.) Cursed Loot: not mentioned on your page, running the latest version (7.2) are there any conflicts or setting you would recommend to keep it from interfering with your mod?

2.) I saw early on ZAZ was a requirement but then it does not appear under your requirements: I have 7.0 without any add ons, is that ok?

3.) I saw some odd behavior from the mod: was trying to use it on serana but the mod did not recognize her as a follower so I used the "debug function" and then it worked. However, when I took the get striped and tied up in cities deal, Once I get tied up I never got untied again out of cities. Also when I got enslaved I was unable to remove the other devices she had already put on me so I could not wear the new stuff she gave me. Are these supposed to get auto removed using the very latest DD integration (4.2)

4.) is there anyway to influence the frequency that events like the whore out conversation get triggered or the tape plug? They seem to trigger very rarely for me

5.) should I or shouldn't I use the animation filters from either DD or ZAZ?

 

I attached a load order screen of what else I am running and was just curious if there is anything in there that you are aware of causing issues.

 

#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Name
"0044","AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer"
"0091","Alternate Start - Live Another Life"
"0072","AmorousAdventures"
"0082","Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim"
"0090","Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch"
"0065","Bad Dog Armored Version 1.01a"
"0060","Bloodmoon Rising - Moonlight Tales Werewolf and Werebear Expansion Pack"
"0088","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"
"0064","Bodyslide generated"
"0022","Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE-"
"0040","CD device removal DDv4 update v2"
"0037","CD Part 1 - Esp and Scripts - v4.15"
"0038","CD Part 2 - Meshes and Textures - 2048k V4.09"
"0061","Cosmetic Vampire Overhaul"
"0019","Crash fixes"
"0006","Devious Devices Assets"
"0008","Devious Devices Expansion"
"0007","Devious Devices Integration"
"0078","Devious Followers"
"0054","Devious Training 2.6"
"0071","Deviously Cursed Loot"
"0034","DibellaSisterhood132"
"0074","DibellaSisterhoodSisters132"
"0002","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0001","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0000","DLC: HearthFires"
"0014","DLC: HighResTexturePack01"
"0015","DLC: HighResTexturePack02"
"0016","DLC: HighResTexturePack03"
"0083","Dragon Language Words Patch"
"0084","Enhanced Blood Textures"
"0077","Extensible Follower Framework"
"0011","Extra Encounters Reborn - All Versions"
"0023","Fair Skin Complexion"
"0063","FNIS generated"
"0024","Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS"
"0026","Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS Behavior"
"0025","Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS Creatures"
"0021","Fuz Ro D-oh - Silent Voice"
"0041","HDT Physics Extensions"
"0066","HDTSextoys"
"0092","ImmerSlave"
"0020","Individualized Shout Cooldowns(SKSE Plugin)"
"0042","JContainers"
"0080","Lauras Bondage Shop"
"0059","Moonlight Tales - Werewolf and Werebear Essentials"
"0012","More Nasty Critters"
"0070","OneTweak"
"0089","Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim"
"0027","RaceMenu 3.4.5"
"0055","Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled"
"0035","Remodeled Armor for CBBE Bodyslide HDT"
"0073","S.L.U.T.S. Redux"
"0005","SexLabAroused V28b"
"0004","SexLabFramework v162 FULL"
"0069","SexlabMassMatchMaker113"
"0087","Simple Actions - The floor is as good a place to sleep as any"
"0017","skse 1 07 03"
"0018","SKSE plugins"
"0036","SkyUI"
"0068","SLAL Animations by Leito v1.6"
"0067","SLAnimLoader"
"0050","SlaveTats"
"0009","SOS"
"0033","Thunderchild - Epic Shouts and Immersion"
"0028","TreasureHunterWhore1"
"0043","UIExtensions"
"0032","Undeath"
"0003","Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch"
"0076","VioLens - A Killmove Mod"
"0057","Werewolf Mastery"
"0079","Wrath of Nature - The Champion of Kynareth"
"0081","Wrath of Nature - The Path of the Druid"
"0093","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended"
"0010","ZazAnimationPackV7"
 

 

Many thanks again for the wonderful mod.

 

[Reesewow]

I can answer a few of these questions somewhat:

 

2 hours ago, pnutz78 said:

1.) Cursed Loot: not mentioned on your page, running the latest version (7.2) are there any conflicts or setting you would recommend to keep it from interfering with your mod?

 

-I've always run both together and never had a problem - in fact IMO they compliment each other because one of the easiest ways to spend lots of money is paying your followers for keys to get out of generic devices.  You might want to pause Devious Followers if you are doing one of the larger quests in DCUL, but that's advice for any mod where your going to be playing it's content exclusively for awhile.

2 hours ago, pnutz78 said:

2.) I saw early on ZAZ was a requirement but then it does not appear under your requirements: I have 7.0 without any add ons, is that ok?

- I assume ZAP was removed as a requirement - I use 7.0 and have no issues.

2 hours ago, pnutz78 said:

 

3.) I saw some odd behavior from the mod: was trying to use it on serana but the mod did not recognize her as a follower so I used the "debug function" and then it worked. However, when I took the get striped and tied up in cities deal, Once I get tied up I never got untied again out of cities. Also when I got enslaved I was unable to remove the other devices she had already put on me so I could not wear the new stuff she gave me. Are these supposed to get auto removed using the very latest DD integration (4.2)

Serana might cause a few hiccups if the game forces her to be dismissed ect, but probably overall is fine as a Devious Follower (especially if you aren't doing the Dawnguard quests).  You won't automatically get untied outside of cities - you need to ask your follower to untie you and they should do it for free.  Enslaved I'm not sure of because I don't use it, but again I doubt they are auto-removed - you can try using your follower again to unlock them or get keys in order to wear the new stuff.  If she isn't punishing you, then the stuff your character is equipped with is interchangeable.

2 hours ago, pnutz78 said:

 

4.) is there anyway to influence the frequency that events like the whore out conversation get triggered or the tape plug? They seem to trigger very rarely for me

Not sure on this one other than editing the mod itself.

2 hours ago, pnutz78 said:

5.) should I or shouldn't I use the animation filters from either DD or ZAZ?

Recommend to never use ZAP's filter - using DD's filter or not is purely personal preference.  If you want realism keep it on, if you want more variety and the ability to choose your animations in a scene turn it off if you have the heavier blocking devices like armbinders or a chastity belt.  I personally toggle it on or off depending on the situation (usually it gets turned off for chastity belts or if I know I'm going to be in heavy bondage for a long time).

[donttouchmethere]

On 11/29/2018 at 12:05 AM, donttouchmethere said:

lets try the 1.710a -Gold mode fix on a new game and see how it works 

better late than never:

the 1.710a -Gold mode fix sloved all my financial DF issues

debt will be removed from deposit again and new earned gold is removed from PC again

so I'm sure the next financial crisis is only a matter of time

?

 

[Lozeak]

So update

 

Only 1 piece of content and some more fixes. While it's not a huge update I did want to release something before Xmas for people.

 

I guess I don't feel guilty but I do know the feeling of wanting more of a good thing and getting something very little but still I can only do what I can do... well that's not true I could force content but I don't think it will feel the same if I don't put the effort in.

 

Outside of this... I have been writing a story (not based in Skyrim but heavily inspired by the content here I guess) and I've almost finished the 2nd chapter and I should upload it to my blog or something if people are interested at all... personally I really like it so far. I might post it tonight and maybe hopefully sometime before the new year.

[Morferous]

Thank you for the update. ?

 

Is it safe to update the mod in ongoing game, or should we at least remove the current followers before doing so?

[Lozeak]

New save always

[Krynn]

Unfortunately, I have only $$$$ such signs in this potion quest in the mcm menu and unfortunately I do not see what I should do when I drink them on the map.

I have a quest, I see in the description but only a ◇ and nothing on the map.

[Guest]

New content is good!

Spoiler

Dark though. Hope there will be a "good resolution" to the quest at some point.

 

[Rob_J]

Can't remember the mod that did it but I remember a mod that let you talk via your follower when gagged, the text was you look pointedly at your follower and mime or wave your arms around and the follower says what they "think" you meant. Would be great to have a version that's more like when you are presented to the jarl that is very unreliable on what you may want vs what the follower says for you. Could have the follower selling all your gear at a store to buy what you wanted or selling your body in exchange for things.

[Lozeak]

2 hours ago, Bobbert6996 said:

New content is good!

  Reveal hidden contents

Dark though. Hope there will be a "good resolution" to the quest at some point.

 

 

Dark I guess hence why the content is off by default... as for resolution, I don't know it doesn't really feel fitting.

 

Concept behind it...

Spoiler

It offers the player a way out of all the deals they have made and is able to give them a fresh start but of course at a cost. (Maybe you'll take it because the deals are making completing skyrim impossible or w/e and that's your goal playthrough)

 

The evil version of you being linked to a random stranger is there for people that get to say 6 deals and realise they have a choice be linked forever to that follower or risk continuing and being linked to a random NPC which you'll have to return to over and over until you finish that playthrough.

 

Of course it's all off and customisable so it's down to a player to decide.

 

[legraf]

This is great fun, and seems to work more smoothly now - or maybe I'm just not screwing things up.  But one suggestion:

 

When one buys out of a deal, like a bondage deal, devices are immediately removed but there's a lag before septims are removed and the condition is deleted.  Ideally that order would be switched around, but if that's too tricky, could you reset the timer the DF uses to check for meeting deal conditions so the check doesn't occur again until that lag has passed?  Currently, every time I buy out of a deal I am penalized, sometimes twice, before the change is recognized.

 

[Naps-On-Dirt]

This latest release didn't include the DF-EFF patch, is it no longer needed?  

[Krynn]

I deleted the mod again, no idea why I get no help to my questions.
CGI kept it going, now I do not understand the meaning of it anymore and this "drink" what you should drink is surreal.
I still can not travel fast when I have completed some of these deals! - I dont know why, but it's this mod!!!
I am also deducted every time I enter a house or sleep.
This weak I get to read after every sex act.

the animation of the ropes does not work, in other versions they were like a binder, now there graphics, but no effect and the hands are free.
what should that actually bring?
where is the sense in it? @Lozeak

 

 

 

[Lozeak]

5 minutes ago, Krynn said:

I deleted the mod again, no idea why I get no help to my questions.
CGI kept it going, now I do not understand the meaning of it anymore and this "drink" what you should drink is surreal.
I still can not travel fast when I have completed some of these deals.
I am also deducted every time I enter a house or sleep.
This weak I get to read after every sex act.
where is the sense in it? @Lozeak

 

It has a delayed effect based on your MCM setting.

$$ are because I forget putting the translation stuff in.

 

My mod does not affect or touch fast travel.

 

DF-EFF patch is needed I think it isn't done by me.

[Krynn]

5 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

 

It has a delayed effect based on your MCM setting.

$$ are because I forget putting the translation stuff in.

 

My mod does not affect or touch fast travel.

 

But it must be like this, if I delete it I can travel fast, if it is installed, then not!

What is a DF-EFF patch and who should do it?

 

 

[galgat]

   I finally got around to playing this one.. Good stuff, really enjoyed it.  I tried and early version some time back, and it was not very well flushed out at that time.  But this version is really looking good.

 

Plenty of over the top, dialogue, and lots of fantasy humiliating sex, and choices.  It actually make's really good use of the DDI stuff, but not just to bind you up, and tell you to go to the other side of Skyrim, and enter the deepest dungeon in the game, and get a glass Of Ice tea, and bring it back.

 

   You have sex, lots of sex, and no holds barred, What I truly like to see in an adult fantasy.  I mean we all know it's ridiculous, but so was the Coyote falling off a 10 mile high cliff, and hitting the pavement, sinking in about 6 feet, and climbing out, only to be ran over by a steam roller going Beep,Beep!

 

   Good stuff, I would not mind an MCM setting with a get out of jail card tick..  

 

It was solid, never CTD'ed, I did with POP, and Devious Equip, not sure which was the trouble, but one of them did something to me, as after I pulled them every thing was smooth.   

[Lozeak]

1 hour ago, Krynn said:

 

But it must be like this, if I delete it I can travel fast, if it is installed, then not!

What is a DF-EFF patch and who should do it?

 

 

Ef is a follower mod and someone made a patch for it to work with my mod.

 

If my mod does do that then it's a bug but I don't know how it would outside of some inter mod bug. Restricting Fast travel is something I'm not keen on.

 

When I'll fix more things after Xmas... I'm busy and tired soo please bare with me.

1 hour ago, galgat said:

   I finally got around to playing this one.. Good stuff, really enjoyed it.  I tried and early version some time back, and it was not very well flushed out at that time.  But this version is really looking good.

 

Plenty of over the top, dialogue, and lots of fantasy humiliating sex, and choices.  It actually make's really good use of the DDI stuff, but not just to bind you up, and tell you to go to the other side of Skyrim, and enter the deepest dungeon in the game, and get a glass Of Ice tea, and bring it back.

 

   You have sex, lots of sex, and no holds barred, What I truly like to see in an adult fantasy.  I mean we all know it's ridiculous, but so was the Coyote falling off a 10 mile high cliff, and hitting the pavement, sinking in about 6 feet, and climbing out, only to be ran over by a steam roller going Beep,Beep!

 

   Good stuff, I would not mind an MCM setting with a get out of jail card tick..  

 

It was solid, never CTD'ed, I did with POP, and Devious Equip, not sure which was the trouble, but one of them did something to me, as after I pulled them every thing was smooth.   

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I'm a big fan of your content (Oblivion Blackmail mod ^^)  so I'm very happy you enjoy something I made! Also it's nice you appericate the design choices I made!

 

There is a reset function in MCM if that's what you mean?

 

I do get mods that use fetch quests or go to X dungeon for more story driven mod it's bread and butter.

 

My mod is a gameplay driven mod content can happen anywhere and plays on the players choices I suppose I learnt this from Oblivion and Player Slave Encounters because if you made mistakes you'd be enslaved and it could happen anywhere... also if you didn't sleep you could bottom out your willpower and you'd not be able to even escape enslavement... meaning you always had to make decisions and decide what risks to take.

 

The hard part I guess is making enough content so a player isn't sure what might happen next (lots of deals! and using mod with DCL) and difficulty but I feel I worked out both with making everything MCMable and tweakable (Something I learnt from DCL that mod on default is not for me but with tweaking the MCM to preference it's one of the best mods on this site)  so the user can fine tune Devious followers and design choices.

 

Either way, side tracked... point is your mod are part of the reason I made a mod so thank you!

 

[aspirine2]

what is fixed about PrisonerChain ...and how to use them ???