What really pisses you off? please no posts about nexus lol

[TheOzoneHole]

The largest and more aggressive dogs will (even pugs), but the small sneeze mutts that do nothing all day but yip and yap at anything and everything will become food for other animals. (Good riddance.) 

 

On top of that you figure the number of plants that we've genetically altered over the centuries, everything from bananas to wheat to carrots. The main type of wheat grown in North America was engineered because one guy wanted better sandwich bread. (It has the long chain gluten that many people who have gluten issues react to; much of the wheat (#notall) grown in Europe has short chain gluten. The things you learn from your friends with food allergies. ) And because so many of these plants are created specially, the seeds cost a crap load and the plants are all mono-cultures (they don't produce seeds), so farmers have to buy more seeds every year because the plants won't just come back the following year.

[FauxFurry]

4 hours ago, RitualClarity said:

Even with alternatives such as Wind and solar .. if it was fully able to replace the energy requirements (transportation, heat, etc. ) So many of our modern items we interact with on a daily basis is based on oil and oil products.  Roads to the buttons on your shirt.  Such a massive shift would be needed that major social upheaval would occur. You think it is bad you have to wear a mask, stand 6feet from one another and can't go have a beer with friends at the local pub....  Imagine if roads weren't able to be repaired, that your favorite beer wasn't able to be obtained due to transportation issues (no trucks etc)  Your pub would only be able to function during the day or you would see jack shit or by candle/lamp light. Music machines wouldn't function unless you decided to take turns on a bike connected to a generator! It would be worse than it was back in the early 1800's when it took months to travel from coast to coast. Fresh food not available  (no refrigerators)  You do realize even if you were able to build one. (simple process) you'd die as you'd not have the modern rubber seals to prevent the toxic gasses from being released  (due to moving parts. )

Cell phones,  ambulances, medical devices (like EKG etc) to monitor your life.  Then also consider all the power used to create these amazing medicines.. advancement would stop and what we had previously would revert back to  pre-industrial period.

 

I do see @Darkpig rational for the comment of not caring if they were gone as they are extremely evil but... a necessary evil .. sadly even if we had alternate power sources, we'd still need Oil industry to a degree for other materials used by oil.  We aren't getting rid of them any time soon.

 

What about the input devices that many here are using to comment on this site or the housing of the monitors, USB devices or major internal components of the PC/Macs themselves? Plastics are just as integrated into everyday life as Zinc.

 

[RitualClarity]

2 hours ago, FauxFurry said:

What about the input devices that many here are using to comment on this site or the housing of the monitors, USB devices or major internal components of the PC/Macs themselves? Plastics are just as integrated into everyday life as Zinc.

 

You'd likely have a easier time listing the things you don't need oil for than what is going to be harmed by no more oil production.

 

One other nasty thing ... expense. Everything that was created would be super expensive due to the effort and even more due to the demand. Limited ability to create needed materials...

 

 

[Bazinga]

4 hours ago, Tyrant99 said:

One thing to keep in mind with oil is, we don't have an infinite supply of it.

 

At our current rate of consumption + expected future increases, how long before we run out or start having major shortages? Maybe in 50 years? Maybe in a 100 years? - That's the blink of an eye in geologic timescales to burn through resources that took millions of years to accumulate. Even in human timescales it's a pretty short period of time.

 

Everything that we do that is not sustainable means that it cannot be done in perpetuity by definition. So sustainability isn't some tree-hugger's wet-dream, at the end of the day, it's about survival of the species and maintaining the gains that we've achieved with our civilizations.

 

I think that it's analogous to being in a plane that's on the runway. Either you get that fucker in the air, or eventually you run out of road and crash and burn into the trees.

Sure, and in many industries people are aware of that. That's why I see these circular economy charts in every other presentation nowadays. ?

The thing is though that in a lot of cases it's still just a dream. But we'll get there. And the sooner we can stop burning petrol to move things/people from one location to another the better, that shit consumes half of the world wide oil production. Would give us more time to find solutions for other industries.

[Grey Cloud]

On 10/17/2020 at 3:32 PM, gregathit said:

Almost everyone now thinks they fucked up and created the virus and then fucked up and accidentally let it out. 

What planet do you live on?

 

On 10/17/2020 at 7:47 PM, gregathit said:

However, when the chinese loudly protest, it does make one wonder

"Me thinks they doth protest to much". If they did not protest you would be shouting that they are keeping quiet because they are hiding something.

[Grey Cloud]

On 10/17/2020 at 9:47 PM, Kendo 2 said:

I know Chinese nationals and I have insight as to what an 'ordinary Chinese person' thinks;

I know American nationals. Does that give me an insight into how an 'ordinary American person' thinks?

 

You blame the CCP for your financial woes but it seems to me that the Chinese are just being better capitalists than you and the rest of America.

[GimmeBACON]

8 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

You blame the CCP for your financial woes but it seems to me that the Chinese are just being better capitalists than you and the rest of America.

More like corrupt politicians outsourced production to cheaper countries putting profits over people regardless of the long-lasting damages, but... to each their own. ?

[Grey Cloud]

34 minutes ago, GimmeBACON said:

More like corrupt politicians outsourced production to cheaper countries putting profits over people regardless of the long-lasting damages, but... to each their own.

Capitalism.

 

[GimmeBACON]

5 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Capitalism.

Maybe... but dumb capitalism regardless, and out of the hands of the worker.

 

Edit: Took a nap... back with a fresh brain, a rising tide lifts all ships. America became a world power because of manufacturing... and gutting the country of it undoubtedly hurt our country for all but those whom hatched such a scheme. 

https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china

[gregathit]

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

What planet do you live on?

None of your damn business you nosy person.  

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

"Me thinks they doth protest to much". If they did not protest you would be shouting that they are keeping quiet because they are hiding something.

ROFL!!!  Look who is trying to stir up shit.  Nice try.  But the choice isn't binary.  But shill for the chinese if you like, makes sense someone like you would.  

[27X]

11 minutes ago, Tyrant99 said:

So, do we have what it takes to last 1,000 years?

Yes.

 

11 minutes ago, Tyrant99 said:

10,000 years?

No, not without severe social and environmental changes or hitting singularity.

[Grey Cloud]

57 minutes ago, gregathit said:

But shill for the chinese if you like,

But the choice isn't binary though it makes sense that someone like you would think it was.

[Bazinga]

1 hour ago, Tyrant99 said:

Right now, we're pumping out and squandering trillions of metric tons of resources that took hundreds of millions of years to accumulate at a speed that is blindingly fast from the perspective of geometric timescales. You let a balloon of helium go, the gas goes straight into outer space and never comes back, but that helium took millions of years to form from the slow process of ionizing alpha particles from radioactive decay. - Which is why you get Nobel prize winning physicists arguing that a balloon of helium should be worth more like $100 than a few cents to represent the actual scarcity of the gas. - We'll burn through all helium reserves in a matter of decades, not centuries, and that's only one resource out of many that are being squandered.

 

We're on a globe that is 40k km in circumference and doesn't have an infinite supply of anything, and with a population pushing 8 billion, everything we do gets magnified by the effect of aggregation. And yet,  we seem to act as though every resource is a never-ending horn of plenty.

 

So, do we have what it takes to last 1,000 years? 10,000 years? Or are we just somewhat smart apes that figured out how to pump things out of the earth to fuel our civilizations for a flash of time before they collapse spectacularly, and that's about it? 

 

 

The part about helium was news to me. The answers that I found online to the question if helium from a balloon can leave the Earth were not that clear cut though.

Seems like the gas doesn't actually leave the outer layer of the atmosphere, also hydrogen is even lighter. The main mechanism through which these light weight gases can escape is being dragged along with solar wind. This also happens slowly and over very long time periods.

The main problem seems to be that releasing helium into the atmosphere itself is already wasting it, because you can't easily extract it out of the air again (negligible concentration).

 

I agree on the rest although it might look less grim if governments react in time. So yeah, I kinda low key hate libertarians because I know that if they would decide our fate (or rather everyone on their own would decide according to them) then we would all be doomed.

We need strong governments who stop this waste and plan long term.

One of the reasons people in my industry sector are waking up right now is the increasingly strict EU legislation. So they know that they might get removed from the market one day if they don't adapt.

[FauxFurry]

5 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Capitalism.

 

Capitalism is a tool, not a system of government. Blaming Capitalism for anything makes about as much sense as blaming hammers for the being one of the main tools of murder in pretty much any nation where they are sold by a large margin. Guns are not even close.

[GimmeBACON]

1 hour ago, FauxFurry said:

Capitalism is a tool, not a system of government. Blaming Capitalism for anything makes about as much sense as blaming hammers for the being one of the main tools of murder in pretty much any nation where they are sold by a large margin. Guns are not even close.

I thought it's a poor killer that blames his tools. ?

 

 

 

... I'll see myself out. 

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, FauxFurry said:

Capitalism is a tool, not a system of government.

I never suggested it was a system of government. I was responding to the post by GimmeBACON whose comment described some of the worst points of capitalism rather than anything peculiar to the 'communist' government of China.

[GimmeBACON]

35 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I never suggested it was a system of government. I was responding to the post by GimmeBACON whose comment described some of the worst points of capitalism rather than anything peculiar to the 'communist' government of China.

To be fair, I was pointing out the failures of US leaders selling out the country more so than bitching about China. Honestly I don't blame China for taking the work, I blame our leaders and companies for destroying our countries self-sufficiency. 

[ToJKa]

On 10/18/2020 at 6:32 PM, AKM said:

The Great Ocean Garbage Patch.  Ever wonder where 'away' is, when you throw something away?  Some of it is here:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

That's actually kind of impressive, so much junk that even the pacific ocean can't take it  

 

Does anyone seriously think we can save ourselves yet?

The planet will be fine, this is the sixth mass extinction event it's experiencing, after all.

[landess]

Making a post about subject matter that apparently ticks the wrong algorithm boxes and is immediately hidden and regardless of attempted edits, ends up only being able to be deleted.

 

In a Nutshell: I believe Kathleen Kennedy's position is due to knowledge she has of the Hollywood Elite's illegal activities and not due to other qualifications needed to hold such a position. Attempts to go further into detail and other thoughts on the matter will likely be useless given the first sentence of this post.

 

I approve of certain forms of censorship, as long as it's not done blindly. One does not show porno in schools would be a great example. Attempting to hold a discussion of what is construed as sensitive subject matter on an 'adult' forum and it being automatically hidden is worrisome though.

[27X]

5 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

I never suggested it was a system of government. I was responding to the post by GimmeBACON whose comment described some of the worst points of capitalism rather than anything peculiar to the 'communist' government of China.

Your premise of being an asshole being a function of logistical means, structure and throughput isn't even childlike, it's just literally retarded in both contexts of the word.

 

Much akin to vapidly complaining about the ism of the day on facebook while driving past someone beating their spouse's ass because it's not your problem.

[Grey Cloud]

8 minutes ago, 27X said:

Your premise of being an asshole being a function of logistical means, structure and throughput isn't even childlike, it's just literally retarded in both contexts of the word.

Is this available in English or any sort of grammatically coherent form?

 

9 minutes ago, 27X said:

Much akin to vapidly complaining about the ism of the day on facebook

I wouldn't know, I have never had an account on any of the soshul meeja sites.

[RitualClarity]

15 hours ago, Bazinga said:

Sure, and in many industries people are aware of that. That's why I see these circular economy charts in every other presentation nowadays. ?

The thing is though that in a lot of cases it's still just a dream. But we'll get there. And the sooner we can stop burning petrol to move things/people from one location to another the better, that shit consumes half of the world wide oil production. Would give us more time to find solutions for other industries.

We had more effective and less resource intensive system of transport early 1900's as opposed to today's auto

society.  At least where I live in a major city. I weep when I see them do work on a street (almost any street even many smaller ones) and see old tracks that were just paved over ...

[AKM]

8 hours ago, ToJKa said:

That's actually kind of impressive, so much junk that even the pacific ocean can't take it  

 

Does anyone seriously think we can save ourselves yet?

The planet will be fine, this is the sixth mass extinction event it's experiencing, after all.

Considering the fact that humans get a huge percentage of our food from the oceans, and then treat the same oceans like this, it's the equivalent of taking a shit in the the pot you're about to cook your food in - for the entire human race.  And at the same time, we're turning the heater for the room to maximum so we can boil ourselves whilst poisoning ourselves. Yay.

Meh.  Humans.  Another evolutionary cul de sac.  A dead end.  A failure, to be swept under the rug of time.

[Kendo 2]

17 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

You blame the CCP for your financial woes but it seems to me that the Chinese are just being better capitalists than you and the rest of America.

Your reading comprehension is SHIT.  Go back and reread my post.  The Chinese in no way outcompeted my company; I cut them off, not the other way around.

[gregathit]

20 hours ago, AKM said:

Meh.  Humans.  Another evolutionary cul de sac.  A dead end.  A failure, to be swept under the rug of time.

Ah the irony.  It is thick with this one.........who has the suicide hotline in his signature.  ?

Oh, after that rant, please avoid the news about Japan intending to dump their irradiated water from their nuclear plants in the ocean.  At least until you have some blood pressure medicine handy! 

 

There is still hope.  We have not yet stepped of the edge off the proverbial cliff.   True that we are doing a drunken spinning crazy dance right on the edge.....but hey.