Darkpig Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 So to stay out of trouble lets talk about what pisses people off that isn't faux news. Like people. Kids am I right? Running around adults carrying heavy furniture up the stairs. What are people thinking? I really hope parents don't blame others for accidently squishing their kids. Am I being paranoid? Maybe.
GrimReaper Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 8:50 AM, gregathit said: I love how utterly incompetent these so called experts fucking are. So who are these imbecile experts and what studies have they published? Oh, you don't have that? So in addition to not providing any evidence WHATSOEVER to back up your claims, you demonstrate what utter hacks you are to the field of journalism. And then these hacks wonder why people holler "fake news" at them. What a shit show. Good on the mother for saying FUCK YOU and pulling her kids. Silence reinforces something. WTF? This is the weakest excuse to back up a claim that you can possibly get. Seriously. And don't even get me started on talking to 3 and 4 year olds about complicated subjects. You just demonstrated that you don't know shit about kids right there. Holy fuck. Lastly, notice how the teacher wasn't fired. The weak ass apology that she would spend more "effort" to screen things she showed to kids. What I want to know is what subject was she teaching that this needed to be brought up in? The only "sorry" the teacher and principle actually felt was sorry they were caught. Public schools need to be closed. Period. Well you see, there are studies but nobody ever cites or even reviews them because they're all garbage. It's exceptionally easy to publish hoaxes in these fields because what matters is the ideology + language and not much else.
GrimReaper Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 5:48 AM, Darkpig said: I knew there was a reason I love this thread so much. I miss you guys so much. Honestly I don't really care how things play out, the meltdown of either side will be fun to watch.
Darkpig Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 12:50 AM, gregathit said: Public schools need to be closed. Period. Yeah. Them covids are bad for yas. Stay inside. Smoke weed. I gotta ask. Private institutions like college are not okay but private institutions k-12 are? Or were you planning to send humanity back to the dark ages by getting rid of education all together?? Whoops. A smile slipped there.
gregathit Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Darkpig said: I gotta ask. Private institutions like college are not okay but private institutions k-12 are? Or were you planning to send humanity back to the dark ages by getting rid of education all together?? Whoops. A smile slipped there. As you well know, I've advocated for charter schools and private schools. Give folks a choice. Schools that refuse to teach actual useful skills will fail instead of being propped up by the government. The free market works. So let's put it to work with schools and improve things for kids. And the dark ages.........yea. That term has been misused quite horribly. The so called dark ages were anything but: Spoiler
Darkpig Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, gregathit said: As you well know, I've advocated for charter schools and private schools. Give folks a choice. Schools that refuse to teach actual useful skills will fail instead of being propped up by the government. The free market works. So let's put it to work with schools and improve things for kids. And the dark ages.........yea. That term has been misused quite horribly. The so called dark ages were anything but: Reveal hidden contents "Give folks a choice." Exactly. So keep the school and fire the teacher. I am just, lord forgive me, laughing at one of your earlier statements that college is teaching stupid shit. No I won't pull it up because either A. I'm too lazy or B. The statement may have included something that may be misinterpreted as political and thus stupidity starts. Since I assume, you are in fact talking about the blunder of both a private institution aka college and a government run program aka public school might as well all be burned to the ground no? And kids do have a choice: Public schools or private schools. Simple as that. I have heard of people who privately teach their kids which is fine as long as the parent boots the kid out of the house to mingle with other people every once in a while and I'm getting off track. And tell prague you I have no interest in eugenics.
gregathit Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Darkpig said: "Give folks a choice." So you are fine with discriminating against poor and middle class folks who can't afford private schools. I find that repugnant. School choice should be a choice for all and not just for those few who are wealthy. 17 minutes ago, Darkpig said: Exactly. So keep the school and fire the teacher. Except that the teacher is protected by both the school and the local government that backs the school. Tenure. A horrible concept that should be abandoned. Now if you could somehow straighten out the schools and get things back to where teachers were kept or fired based on performance, then sure, by all means keep public schools. It is doubtful that ANYONE could pull that off however. 20 minutes ago, Darkpig said: The statement may have included something that may be misinterpreted as political and thus stupidity starts. I agree, politics should not have any place in this discussion. We are talking about educating kids. 22 minutes ago, Darkpig said: I am just, lord forgive me, laughing at one of your earlier statements that college is teaching stupid shit. Gender studies, safe spaces, socialism, communism, critical race theories, and the list goes on. None of this will get you a job. Google still works and it is not hard to find info on this.
Darkpig Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, gregathit said: So you are fine with discriminating against poor and middle class folks who can't afford private schools. I find that repugnant. School choice should be a choice for all and not just for those few who are wealthy. Lol. Wut? I was only quoting you. It used to be those who were wealthy were the only ones who could afford schools. 15 minutes ago, gregathit said: Except that the teacher is protected by both the school and the local government that backs the school. Tenure. A horrible concept that should be abandoned. Now if you could somehow straighten out the schools and get things back to where teachers were kept or fired based on performance, then sure, by all means keep public schools. It is doubtful that ANYONE could pull that off however. Then that is a problem in the system that needs fixing. The alternative is as you said poor and middle class folks who can't afford private schools. 15 minutes ago, gregathit said: Gender studies, safe spaces, socialism, communism, critical race theories, and the list goes on. None of this will get you a job. Google still works and it is not hard to find info on this. These things will not get you a job but communication skills will. Gender studies, safe spaces and critical race theories teaches the concepts of being a decent person. Something I and several others sincerely lack. Socialism and communism were never part of my core curriculum during my young'un years but It may just be that pigs have a better education. Political parties should not be a thing in schools... or in general. Alas it is still a thing that is talked about for socioeconomic reasons. Overall if people are spreading shit it is up to people to clean it up period. Pigs won't clean it up for you.
gregathit Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, Darkpig said: It used to be those who were wealthy were the only ones who could afford schools. What has that got to do with the situation now? Nothing of course. ALL people should have a choice about schools. Charter schools do not cost the student anything, beyond the taxes they already pay. Vouchers for these taxes would be their way of selecting the school of their choice. Schools that failed to educate would fail. and the ability to fail would keep them from wasting time on teachers or subjects that do not contribute to actual education. 58 minutes ago, Darkpig said: Then that is a problem in the system that needs fixing. Good luck. As I said, the entire system is built around protecting itself and those problems. When something has a poor foundation, sometimes you just have to knock it down and start over. 58 minutes ago, Darkpig said: The alternative is as you said poor and middle class folks who can't afford private schools. I never stated that. What I am advocating for is choice. The voucher system is one method. There are alternatives right now to expensive private schools. Charter schools and educating at home. There are also free private schools, most of these are sponsored by religious folks. 58 minutes ago, Darkpig said: These things will not get you a job but communication skills will. Which is why courses in communication would be worthwhile, but courses in those subjects would not. Seems pretty logical to me. 58 minutes ago, Darkpig said: Gender studies, safe spaces and critical race theories teaches the concepts of being a decent person. WRONG. Have you ever actually looked at these things. Clearly not. They are narcissistic concepts that make you a bigot, closeminded and horribly anti-social. Just look at the idiots screaming they are anti-fascist, all the while behaving in a fascist manner that drowns out any concept they don't agree with. They toss out logic, common sense and science and just shout people down (or get violent towards them). Why? Because they don't have any actual facts or real logic to back them up. It is all emotional gobbly gook. College and knowledge are about looking out at the greater world and realizing what all is out there and trying to be a part of it. Knowledge broadens ones horizons. Folks who embrace knowledge, logic, reason and common sense are the folks who are decent. 58 minutes ago, Darkpig said: Something I and several others sincerely lack. Honesty is also a quality of decent folks. Perhaps you are more than you may realize. 58 minutes ago, Darkpig said: Socialism and communism were never part of my core curriculum during my young'un years but It may just be that pigs have a better education. Political parties should not be a thing in schools... or in general. I see no reason that a history class might spend a couple of hours discussing why they are failed systems. But certainly not more than that. Why study failed systems? And I'd agree, politics are just.........yuck. 58 minutes ago, Darkpig said: Overall if people are spreading shit it is up to people to clean it up period. Pigs won't clean it up for you. Funny, I don't remember ever seeing pigs clean up after themselves.......not even once. ? I have however heard of folks that clean up after pigs. So who is the real boss? ?
Darkpig Posted October 10, 2020 Posted October 10, 2020 14 hours ago, gregathit said: Good luck. As I said, the entire system is built around protecting itself and those problems. When something has a poor foundation, sometimes you just have to knock it down and start over. Knowledge builds on itself so knocking down the tower haphazardly is not always the best option. 14 hours ago, gregathit said: I never stated that. What I am advocating for is choice. The voucher system is one method. There are alternatives right now to expensive private schools. Charter schools and educating at home. There are also free private schools, most of these are sponsored by religious folks. Charter schools fuck up too. Whatcha gonna do? Every school has its ideals that can go too far. Charter schools have charter school ideals. religious schools have religious ideals. Home schools have parental ideals of what their kids should be and sometimes those kids need to leave the house to meet other people even if the ideas of others are contradictory or stupid. 14 hours ago, gregathit said: Which is why courses in communication would be worthwhile, but courses in those subjects would not. Seems pretty logical to me. I took communications. It was lame. -1/10 Total waste of time. 14 hours ago, gregathit said: WRONG. Have you ever actually looked at these things. Clearly not. They are narcissistic concepts that make you a bigot, closeminded and horribly anti-social. Just look at the idiots screaming they are anti-fascist, all the while behaving in a fascist manner that drowns out any concept they don't agree with. They toss out logic, common sense and science and just shout people down (or get violent towards them). Why? Because they don't have any actual facts or real logic to back them up. It is all emotional gobbly gook. College and knowledge are about looking out at the greater world and realizing what all is out there and trying to be a part of it. Knowledge broadens ones horizons. Folks who embrace knowledge, logic, reason and common sense are the folks who are decent. And Loverslab doesn't? Tribal mentality. It Is everywhere you look and it isn't hard to find. The internet is full of screaming idiots from all areas of study even if they aren't experts in it. Just look at twitter. Give prideful idiots a lightning fast machine for communication and they will go to town on it. Pride in moderate amounts are necessary for survival and it is only communication so the world is still in one piece. For the classes good intentions are there so maybe you would like to fact check it. For me it sounds like too much work and there is plenty of misinformation everywhere you go so yeah. 14 hours ago, gregathit said: Honesty is also a quality of decent folks. Perhaps you are more than you may realize. Nah 14 hours ago, gregathit said: I see no reason that a history class might spend a couple of hours discussing why they are failed systems. But certainly not more than that. Why study failed systems? And I'd agree, politics are just.........yuck. I assume you are talking about history. The answer is simple. You've heard the saying those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat them. Yeah that. Maybe history classes should be shorter. Problem is nobody remembers history that well. How can we expect people to know shit when they don't know shit?
Darkpig Posted October 10, 2020 Posted October 10, 2020 Do you know what pisses me off? Dumbasses who don't know what baby face is can fuck off. Dumbass: That old dude is with that young girl he must be a petomaphile. Me: She's Asian and she's over 18. Dumbass: No I know a pedophile when I see one. Me: Like you? Dumbass: No fucktard. Me: Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
FauxFurry Posted October 10, 2020 Posted October 10, 2020 18 hours ago, Darkpig said: Do you know what pisses me off? Dumbasses who don't know what baby face is can fuck off. Dumbass: That old dude is with that young girl he must be a petomaphile. Me: She's Asian and she's over 18. Dumbass: No I know a pedophile when I see one. Me: Like you? Dumbass: No fucktard. Me: Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Babyface? You mean the 'good guy' wrestlers? It is fairly likely that anyone who ever saw Kanako Urai in the ring would drop any accusations of her fans being incognito nonces would end right away.
27X Posted October 11, 2020 Posted October 11, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 11:00 PM, Darkpig said: Suicide Squad 2 is being planned and it is making me contemplate committing suicide given how bad the last one was. Guess I could not watch it but my friends have terrible taste so I'll likely end up watching it anyway. *grumble* *grumble* might wanna do some reading if you're expecting anything like the first movie.
AKM Posted October 11, 2020 Posted October 11, 2020 On 10/8/2020 at 11:33 PM, Darkpig said: I gotta ask. Private institutions like college are not okay but private institutions k-12 are? Or were you planning to send humanity back to the dark ages by getting rid of education all together?? Whoops. A smile slipped there. Getting the younger kids back in school first has nothing to do with their ability to fend off the bug and everything to do with the fact that school is literally treated as babysitting by the vast majority of parents.
steelpanther24 Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/8/2020 at 9:17 PM, GrimReaper said: Well you see, there are studies but nobody ever cites or even reviews them because they're all garbage. It's exceptionally easy to publish hoaxes in these fields because what matters is the ideology + language and not much else. Have you tries to published anything in those journals? Which ones are exceptionally easy to publish in?
GrimReaper Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 16 hours ago, steelpanther24 said: Have you tries to published anything in those journals? Which ones are exceptionally easy to publish in? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair You do need some knowledge, especially when it comes to the language used and the ideology within these fields. You can't exactly write some retarded shit and expect it to go over well, you'll need to deliver some flavored retarded shit. And while it would be easy to point fingers and laugh at how stupid these people are, which would be well deserved, some fields of science do have a problem when it comes to questionable results. Some of it certainly has to do with how politicized everything is, some of it is due to the current system itself. If you have 20 minutes of free time, this interview explains it quite well:
27X Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 16 hours ago, steelpanther24 said: Have you tries to published anything in those journals? Which ones are exceptionally easy to publish in? https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-joe-rogan-experience/e/56975394
Grey Cloud Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 53 minutes ago, GrimReaper said: If you have 20 minutes of free time, this interview explains it quite well I'll try to remember to watch the video tomorrow. It will probably be a case of preaching to the converted as I've been reading about this sort of thing for years in the science and humanities literature. Though not Joe Rogan so maybe I'm not that au fait with the subject. Here's a link to an epic example of how 'scientific' science can be: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLftb0lOpSe9PvJhFKSueZV9Wrz4g1qRkr
Darkpig Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 9:59 PM, AKM said: Getting the younger kids back in school first has nothing to do with their ability to fend off the bug and everything to do with the fact that school is literally treated as babysitting by the vast majority of parents. Still better than using TV as a babysitter. This could have very messy results. I say do it. Oh right. Oh sorry. Thats the G rated version. Much better.
GrimReaper Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: I'll try to remember to watch the video tomorrow. It will probably be a case of preaching to the converted as I've been reading about this sort of thing for years in the science and humanities literature. Though not Joe Rogan so maybe I'm not that au fait with the subject. Here's a link to an epic example of how 'scientific' science can be: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLftb0lOpSe9PvJhFKSueZV9Wrz4g1qRkr I guess the Joe Rogan one is about the ideological/political bias in science. It's essentially career suicide if you go against a popular narrative, like the one woman that conducted a study to research if there's a social contagion element to transgenderism. Needless to say, the study was quickly shut down. Not entirely removed, but the press promoting said study was removed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_onset_gender_dysphoria_controversy That being said, it may very well be that the study is bollocks and that the criticism was justified. However, there are a lot of studies on transgenderism that are all sunshine and rainbows and those aren't put under much scrutiny, at all. Sometimes all you need to distort reality is being very conscious about where you look. Then there was a recent study on police brutality and racism: https://retractionwatch.com/2020/07/06/authors-of-study-on-race-and-police-killings-ask-for-its-retraction-citing-continued-misuse-in-the-media/ Again, the study might've been a bad one but on the other hand, any study that concludes that racism is everywhere and black people are being hunted down in the streets for shit and giggles by police gets through. Obviously, you don't want any of that bad PR if you want to have a career in science. But it's not only about politics. Careers in science work by shitting out study after study, quantity over quality. You don't make a name for yourself by replicating the work of other scientists. Studies that show no results are regarded as a failure and don't get published. Research is often funded by other people with a certain interest and they want specific results. If you and your team won't deliver them, someone else will. People come up with a theory after the results are known, distorting the methodology. People tinker with the variables until you get the results you want to have. Psychology (especially social psychology, but also clinical psychology), medicine and nutrition science are plagued by these problems. All the critical theory nonsene like gender or race studies are pure drivel and don't count.
Grey Cloud Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 13 hours ago, GrimReaper said: If you have 20 minutes of free time, this interview explains it quite well: Interesting video, thanks. The four points mentioned in there brought to mind the original global warming 'science' of Michael Mann.
steelpanther24 Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 17 hours ago, GrimReaper said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair You do need some knowledge, especially when it comes to the language used and the ideology within these fields. You can't exactly write some retarded shit and expect it to go over well, you'll need to deliver some flavored retarded shit. And while it would be easy to point fingers and laugh at how stupid these people are, which would be well deserved, some fields of science do have a problem when it comes to questionable results. Some of it certainly has to do with how politicized everything is, some of it is due to the current system itself. If you have 20 minutes of free time, this interview explains it quite well: Ok, that is a very good discussion, though I may like it because of my own confirmation bias as trying to published in IEEE a couple of decades ago, I felt there was an unfair bias against a newly minted engineer, though it may be that my research wasn't as new or ground breaking as I thought it was (it concerned the suppression of spurious and or erroneous electron waves when conducting a 3-d scan of a stone arrow head where exact mineral content cannot be determined because destructive measurements are not viable.)
steelpanther24 Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 5 hours ago, GrimReaper said: But it's not only about politics. Careers in science work by shitting out study after study, quantity over quality. You don't make a name for yourself by replicating the work of other scientists. Studies that show no results are regarded as a failure and don't get published. Research is often funded by other people with a certain interest and they want specific results. If you and your team won't deliver them, someone else will. People come up with a theory after the results are known, distorting the methodology. People tinker with the variables until you get the results you want to have. Psychology (especially social psychology, but also clinical psychology), medicine and nutrition science are plagued by these problems. All the critical theory nonsene like gender or race studies are pure drivel and don't count. I would like to disagree, as I have benefited from being in a field where research is valued much more than results, and we have been told repeatedly that studies that prove something is not are just as valuable as those that prove something is (of course there are limits, so no doing research that gravity does not exist, but a study saying that gravity doesn't have as much of effect on something is valuable). However, I think what you are talking about is the practical side of research where results absolutely matter. Furthermore, the death of Land grant universities purpose by the machinations of large corporations (I have railed against DuPont and Cargill before in here) has eliminated most independent research. Now it seems at college universities that tenure is a goal, not a result, so professors are more worried about that then about being right. I do not know if other countries are in similar situations, but gender studies and sociology are fields for people who lack critical thinking.
gregathit Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, steelpanther24 said: Now it seems at college universities that tenure is a goal, not a result, so professors are more worried about that then about being right. I do not know if other countries are in similar situations, but gender studies and sociology are fields for people who lack critical thinking. My folks are both prof's and even did stints as admin (Dean and chair positions) and yea, this is the case pretty much. Tenure is king. Publishing is required, but no one cares about the content of what is published. Those who publish lots of rubbish are rewarded over those who just publish a few things that are useful and helpful or even needed (field's or area's that are lacking in research). Politics has very much overtaken and swallowed up many universities. As for gender studies..........yea, basket weaving involves more critical thinking. Talk about emotion over logic. Emotion has ZERO utility in science or academia. ZERO. That it is found in academia just shows you how far the rot has progressed. It is sad beyond words to express it.
KoolHndLuke Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 4 hours ago, gregathit said: Emotion has ZERO utility in science or academia. ZERO. That it is found in academia just shows you how far the rot has progressed. It is sad beyond words to express it. Yes Man sold us out. Be angry, not sad as if it will somehow spare you and yours.
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