Devious Devices - Integration 4.3a (2019-09-10)

[CWhitebear]

I'm having trouble disabling 'use bound animations'. I've unchecked animation override in ZaZ, and unchecked both 'animation filter' and 'use bound animations' in DDi, but during sex the armbinder is not unequipped and the game only uses armbinder animations. Other animations work fine if I actually unequip the armbinder manually. Any ideas what could be causing the problem?

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Veladarius said:

The quest was removed as it needs reworked.

Ah okies.. =) .. thought I messed my mods up or something

[ruakrono]

Hi

 

I have a problem. I am trying to install Cursed Loot, but everytime Nexus MM unpacks it, but ends the process with "Mod not installed" status. When I check the reason (through that small icon at the end of the line in Mod activation queue) it says "File 'devious devices- ıntegration.esm' is not Active." So now I am suspicious whether DDi works at all. It isn't supposed to have a separate MCM Menu, is it? Only option I see in MCM is labeled "Devious Devices". I didn't progress much in the game to see any items from Devious Devices yet, so I can't tell.

I tried reinstalling all of it (aaaaall the mods), I tried reinstalling Nexus Manager as well. I can't get it to work. I'll appreciate the help, thank you.

[Veladarius]

DD Integration is the only one of the 3 DD main parts to have an MCM menu as it is the one that controls everything. It also shows as active in your load order @ 0C (#13) and from what you say you do have the MCM menu showing so it is working properly. Do you have a previous version of Cursed Loot currently installed? If so you may want to uninstall it first. I use an older version of NMM and it errors out when trying to update an existing mod so I have to uninstall the previous version first.

[ruakrono]

6 hours ago, Veladarius said:

DD Integration is the only one of the 3 DD main parts to have an MCM menu as it is the one that controls everything. It also shows as active in your load order @ 0C (#13) and from what you say you do have the MCM menu showing so it is working properly. Do you have a previous version of Cursed Loot currently installed? If so you may want to uninstall it first. I use an older version of NMM and it errors out when trying to update an existing mod so I have to uninstall the previous version first.

Nope. No older version. I played it some time ago but later on I uninstalled the game, and deleted the whole folder just to make sure I wouldn't face such a problem.
Thanks for answering though.

[ruakrono]

Hey... I noticed something, just a thought here:

The message says: "File 'devious devices- ıntegration.esm' is not Active." I'd like to emphasize on the ı character, at the beginning of the ıntegration.esm. That is a Turkish character (my windows is in Turkish) which goes as Capital I = small ı in Turkish; unlike in English as you can see. 

So, if Nexus MM is checking on required esm before installation, and if it searches in a... weird manner, converting letters like that... it can't find it since it is Integration.esm. Could that be possible?

 

update: I tried changing the system's language to English. But I still get the same result, including the same message with letter ı. So, either that is not the problem, or I failed to work around it.

[maxsteiner]

Hi. Got a strange problem; The pink armbinder and only the pink one, have no bound anim to it. If i equip the pink one, the arms just hangs normally along the side but the hands are gone. The armbinder itself is visible on the back but the arms is not tied behind the back. The thing is that if i try to struggle out of the armbinder, the arms get the correct position behind the back, inside the binders, but as soon as the struggle anim is finished, the arms go back to the side, sans hands. Any ideas?

[LazyBoot]

44 minutes ago, maxsteiner said:

Hi. Got a strange problem; The pink armbinder and only the pink one, have no bound anim to it. If i equip the pink one, the arms just hangs normally along the side but the hands are gone. The armbinder itself is visible on the back but the arms is not tied behind the back. The thing is that if i try to struggle out of the armbinder, the arms get the correct position behind the back, inside the binders, but as soon as the struggle anim is finished, the arms go back to the side, sans hands. Any ideas?

There's no pink armbinder in DDi or DDx, are you referring to the one from cursed loot? If so, are you using ver 6.3 (was released on friday)?

[maxsteiner]

11 hours ago, LazyBoot said:

There's no pink armbinder in DDi or DDx, are you referring to the one from cursed loot? If so, are you using ver 6.3 (was released on friday)?

Yes, you are absolutly correct. Im using cursed loot 6.2 and the new 6.3 have a fix for this problem. Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction. Saved my day you did

[Reesewow]

Bug report - DD v4.0

 

While wearing pony boots and a regular-style armbinder, there are no sprinting footstep sounds.  Footstep sounds work fine while slow-walking or regular walking.

 

Noticed it while doing a DCUR Bondage Adventure and running along cobble roads.

[Black Justicar]

Please help! 

Got strange bug with follower. Can't remove an anal plug from her: "... Chastity belt is equiped", but there is no chastity belt on her. And the arosual state also is not decreasing after sex act like in chastity. But again: there is no chastity devices and never were. 

The most strange part of it, that butt plug can be removed actually, but only when chastity belt is on! But this can't fix the arosual issue. 

 

Tried DCL's safeword,  resurrect, recycle actor, different actions like equip/unequip even on PC - did not helped. 

[Reesewow]

33 minutes ago, Black Justicar said:

Tried DCL's safeword,  resurrect, recycle actor, different actions like equip/unequip even on PC - did not helped. 

This might sound odd - but try spam-clicking the plug and see if it comes off.  I saw this once on a follower and spam-clicking seemed to allow the plug to be removed.  I never checked if her arousal state was messed up after however.  Dunno what caused it either.

[valcon767]

1 hour ago, Black Justicar said:

Please help! 

Got strange bug with follower. Can't remove an anal plug from her: "... Chastity belt is equiped", but there is no chastity belt on her. And the arosual state also is not decreasing after sex act like in chastity. But again: there is no chastity devices and never were. 

The most strange part of it, that butt plug can be removed actually, but only when chastity belt is on! But this can't fix the arosual issue. 

 

Tried DCL's safeword,  resurrect, recycle actor, different actions like equip/unequip even on PC - did not helped. 

 

30 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

This might sound odd - but try spam-clicking the plug and see if it comes off.  I saw this once on a follower and spam-clicking seemed to allow the plug to be removed.  I never checked if her arousal state was messed up after however.  Dunno what caused it either.

ok i have to second this bug report ...... i first ran into it (i think) when i switched from the dev builds to the release version (mid game) so did not report it at that time

(thinking it was due to updating the mods mid-game without cleaning the save), but have since run into it several times on a new game (that only ever had the release

builds on it).  i run into the problem with dead human enemies (most of the time) and occasionally on a follower.  spam clicking does not remove the plug for me.

i end up having to reload a save made prior to the issue for it to go away for followers, for dead enemies i just leave it on them and continue on my way.

 

[hexenhaus]

Quick question regarding Devious Devices effects? I recently deactivated Devious Training II in my playthrough (so much lag) and since I reconfigured DDs with DT2 reconfigure function i wondered if it is right that the values for the Chastity Bra (block, archery and melee) should all be zero or is that normal as an "experienced slave"?

[El_Duderino]

1 hour ago, valcon767 said:

2 hours ago, Black Justicar said:

Got strange bug with follower. Can't remove an anal plug from her: "... Chastity belt is equiped", ..

2 hours ago, Reesewow said:

This might sound odd - but try spam-clicking the plug and see if it comes off.  ...

ok i have to second this bug report ...... ...  spam clicking does not remove the plug for me.

 

This issue has been reported before and as far as I can remember, the suggested workaround was to temporarily equip the NPC/follower with an open back belt, then remove the plug, then remove the belt (if you still want, ha!)

 

I'd advise against spamming the removal, that basically just attempts to break the script by overwhelming it in the stress situation. It might not even work on games that don't have much script lag in the first place because DDi's equip script might just be faster re-equipping the device after catching the "illegal" removal.

 

43 minutes ago, hexenhaus said:

Quick question regarding Devious Devices effects? I recently deactivated Devious Training II in my playthrough (so much lag) and since I reconfigured DDs with DT2 reconfigure function i wondered if it is right that the values for the Chastity Bra (block, archery and melee) should all be zero or is that normal as an "experienced slave"?

I don't think that sounds right. The default debuffs for the bra are 10 for archery and 5 for melee weapons and block. Not sure what you mean by "experienced slave" though, as far as I know the item values and debuffs in DD should all remain static throughout your game unless you are using other mods that change that.

[Black Justicar]

Thnx for trying to help. 

I have managed how to remove the plug. But its not the real problem. The real one is that arosual lvl is can't be decreased in any way. With Sexlab Approach mod this became really fckn' annoying, when your companion constantly demands sex and you can't satisfy them. 

[Reesewow]

3 hours ago, Black Justicar said:

Thnx for trying to help. 

I have managed how to remove the plug. But its not the real problem. The real one is that arosual lvl is can't be decreased in any way. With Sexlab Approach mod this became really fckn' annoying, when your companion constantly demands sex and you can't satisfy them. 

Possibly try Duderino's suggestion, put the plug back in, equip an open-back chastity belt, remove the plug, then remove the chastity belt.  If that doesn't unlock the follower's arousal the only other thing I could think of is you can use Sexlab Aroused puppet master options to set your follower's arousal lower and then lock it to stop them from spamming you with interruptions.  Or revert to an earlier save before the bug hit.

[hexenhaus]

5 hours ago, El_Duderino said:

This issue has been reported before and as far as I can remember, the suggested workaround was to temporarily equip the NPC/follower with an open back belt, then remove the plug, then remove the belt (if you still want, ha!)

 

I'd advise against spamming the removal, that basically just attempts to break the script by overwhelming it in the stress situation. It might not even work on games that don't have much script lag in the first place because DDi's equip script might just be faster re-equipping the device after catching the "illegal" removal.

 

I don't think that sounds right. The default debuffs for the bra are 10 for archery and 5 for melee weapons and block. Not sure what you mean by "experienced slave" though, as far as I know the item values and debuffs in DD should all remain static throughout your game unless you are using other mods that change that.

Experienced Slave is the buff you get, if you wear DDs for some time, so they don't weigh anything when worn. Are you sure that the debuffs do not change with training, even without additional training mods? If that's so, is there a way to reset the DD framework manually?

[cjam076]

I'm just cross-posting this query/bug report from the DCL thread as I'm not sure where would be the best place to make it - apologies if I'm spamming the forum

 

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So I've seen a few people in recent pages reporting that armbinders/shackles are not working on bound girls, but just to give my two cents, I think (at least on my game) it's just the most visible sign of a wider DDi bug.

 

I also have the bound girls failing to use the armbinder idles, but it's not limited to that. Because whenever I put a follower or other NPC in any DD item that has a new idle (armbinders, shackles, cuffs, yokes etc), the idle works fine - until I move with them into a new cell that requires a loading screen, or leave their cell and return to it. After loading, they've returned to the standard idles and are ignoring the device - until I enequip and re-equip them, then they work.

 

I know nothing about modding or scripting (I'm strictly a consumer  ) but is there some sort of check DDi should be running on NPCs when a cell loads that should determine if they're in a device and playing the right idle that my game isn't performing?

 

 

[hexenhaus]

30 minutes ago, cjam076 said:

I'm just cross-posting this query/bug report from the DCL thread as I'm not sure where would be the best place to make it - apologies if I'm spamming the forum

 

 

If your mods are up-to-date this can be caused by script-lag or simply overwritten DDi scripts. When using MO make sure that no script is overwritten by any mod. I encountered this too, changed some mods around in MO (Pay attention to overwritten files), looked up if updates were available and it worked again. 

[El_Duderino]

2 hours ago, hexenhaus said:

Experienced Slave is the buff you get, if you wear DDs for some time, so they don't weigh anything when worn. Are you sure that the debuffs do not change with training, even without additional training mods? If that's so, is there a way to reset the DD framework manually?

Ah! I think I remember this weight thing... and my guess is that it's Deviously Helpless that alters those debuffs. Been a long while since I last used that mod though and I may be wrong about it. I am quite (just not 100%) certain though that DDi on its own doesn't alter its debuffs over time.

 

What might further confuse the situation is that as of DD4, default item weights have drastically altered across the board and generally lowered (why should a set of leather cuffs weigh 4 pounds?)

[Guest]

Got a weird bug to report:

 

There's a conflict between Devious Devices (DD) and a mod called Sexlab - Sexual Fame (SSF). Basically SSF has a "shame effect" where if your PC is (1) not an exhibitionist (aroused) and (2) naked then PC will cover self.

 

This feature causes DD to play any movement-triggered sounds (i.e. footsteps, clopping, jingling) nonstop if the player is nude, which is 99% of the time when PC has any of said items equipped. These items are typically but are not limited to chain items and pony boots.

 

I tested different animations to see when the noise is generated and here are the results: 

 

Idle (not nude): silent
Idle (nude, covering): noise
Idle (weapon drawn): silent
Turning (weapon drawn): silent
Walking/Sprinting: noise
Jumping: noise
Magic Attack: noise
Melee Attack: silent

 

Notice how magic attacks trigger sound but melee attacks don't. I don't know jack about scripts but from these results I think DD is set to make noise on all animations with certain exceptions added in. I bet custom animations will always trigger noise.

 

Can maybe the mod author reply if this conflict can be fixed?

[LazyBoot]

5 minutes ago, RestrictedTom said:

Got a weird bug to report:

 

There's a conflict between Devious Devices (DD) and a mod called Sexlab - Sexual Fame (SSF). Basically SSF has a "shame effect" where if your PC is (1) not an exhibitionist (aroused) and (2) naked then PC will cover self.

 

This feature causes DD to play any movement-triggered sounds (i.e. footsteps, clopping, jingling) nonstop if the player is nude, which is 99% of the time when PC has any of said items equipped. These items are typically but are not limited to chain items and pony boots.

 

I tested different animations to see when the noise is generated and here are the results: 

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Idle (not nude): silent
Idle (nude, covering): noise
Idle (weapon drawn): silent
Turning (weapon drawn): silent
Walking/Sprinting: noise
Jumping: noise
Magic Attack: noise
Melee Attack: silent

 

Notice how magic attacks trigger sound but melee attacks don't. I don't know jack about scripts but from these results I think DD is set to make noise on all animations with certain exceptions added in. I bet custom animations will always trigger noise.

 

Can maybe the mod author reply if this conflict can be fixed?

As far as I know, this is an issue with the actual animation used when the character is covering, the reason for the footsteps is that the animation includes footstep events even when stationary.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, LazyBoot said:

As far as I know, this is an issue with the actual animation used when the character is covering, the reason for the footsteps is that the animation includes footstep events even when stationary.

I see. So the pseudocode of DD's boots would be

if (can move during animation) and !(playing idle animation) {
loop footsteps.mp3
} else {
chill
}

Hence why the chains rattle when casting magic but not swing a sword is because you can move during one but not the other?

[Reesewow]

24 minutes ago, RestrictedTom said:

This feature causes DD to play any movement-triggered sounds (i.e. footsteps, clopping, jingling) nonstop if the player is nude, which is 99% of the time when PC has any of said items equipped. These items are typically but are not limited to chain items and pony boots.

Yea, I'd second the assessment it is a problem with that mod's cover animation itself.  I bet if you stand naked in heavy boots or in shallow water you'd hear sounds while covering that have nothing to do with DD - it's just that the DD footstep sounds are much more obvious for immersion reasons (high heel clicking/horse clopping/chain rattling are waay more obvious than the regular footsteps).  Not 100% on this however, I'm no expert on how animation files work with the sound system.

 

I think that animation (or one just like it) had the same problem in a few other mods at first and the mod authors needed to fix it on their ends.