swmas Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/11/16270482/fallout-4-creation-club-mods-issues-pete-hines So what do you mean with this article? that is obvious *what the future brings*, free modding! I do not speak English but so much from this interview I understood, when the CC is successfully, it becomes difficult for free modders. Bethesda will then beware, for new games the constructionset freely to give! then these sets get only selected modders. I think the problem is not the construction set availability, is third party tools we should be worried about. Coders will be less inclined to release tools only for other people to use in making mods for CC. Also modders that mod for free will be rarer when there is the alternative to get money out of it. Users that pay for mods will have higher standards and will bitch a lot more about quality and rightfully so.
SnooperNoSnooping Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 Interesting.. seems like it could not only be paid mods, but in game microtransactions. "Browse the selection in game... your new content will appear automatically" Imagine we go to Belethor and the credit card confirmation screen pops up. I foresee a new paid mod: You can now buy Belethor's mother...
prinyo Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 So is there any protest movement? Does Nexus react to this, or they doesn't see the threat? So far the biggest reaction have been people review-bombing FO4 on Steam. With the upcoming release of CC for Skyrim seems it is SSE's turn. I however have some reservations on how wide the bombing needs to be. At the moment seems Oldrim is hit harder than SSE for some reason. There are also CC related negative reviews for Oblivion. I did post negative review with "paid mods" for FO4 and SSE, but I just posted a positive one for Oldrim as it is the opt-out option for Skyrim. But I'm still thinking about it. Any ideas by somebody?
ToJKa Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 Protest movement? People will make angry comments, reviews, and youtube videos for a while, and then forget about it. Bethesda is doing the smart thing and holding it's ground until it happens.
Jazzman Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 Protest movement? People will make angry comments, reviews, and youtube videos for a while, and then forget about it. Bethesda is doing the smart thing and holding it's ground until it happens. Doesn't look particularly smart to me tho' cos it simply assumes an abundant supply of renegade modders from the pc com that feed the hungry console players and thus no measurable losses in future sales but the opposite, a galactic profit... but that remains to be seen. For the time being Beth has built nothing but a new facility on quicksand...
arpaschad Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 just imagine: free modding (well at least to Beth's games) will now be outlawed by Pete and co. so they have the hegemony in making mods since "it's our own game...we provide content our own way!" and we will see rogue and dashing mod authors making "illegal" mods ala Robin Hood to spite the greedy Sheriff of Betheticham and give the riches to the downtrodden! ooohhh how romantic!! or they could all be human slaves in a machine take over ala matrix...
Ernest Lemmingway Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Heh. I forgot that George Carlin bit inserted in the middle. "Customer service" really does equal fucking over the end user. At least in my experiences it does when a company grows beyond a certain size. Watching how Bethesda handles things if the majority of modders quit bothering with their stuff would be interesting to watch. Especially if they go bankrupt and/or finally admit that they need modders because their stuff is a bunch of road apples. Or we could put Hines' head into an old-fashioned juicer and squeeze until it pops like an overripe zit; road apples would fall out then as well. I'd be satisfied with seeing either one.
KoolHndLuke Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 So is there any protest movement? Does Nexus react to this, or they doesn't see the threat? They're not talking about it one way or the other. Most don't seem to see it as a threat. Some will defend it. I guess they trust in Beth's "goodwill" or something. They're logic is that Beth needs them in order to cultivate new modders and ideas. I say "Yeah. But for how long?".
Jazzman Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 So is there any protest movement? Does Nexus react to this, or they doesn't see the threat?They're not talking about it one way or the other. Most don't seem to see it as a threat. Some will defend it. I guess they trust in Beth's "goodwill" or something. They're logic is that Beth needs them in order to cultivate new modders and ideas. I say "Yeah. But for how long?". Maybe they're just waiting for others to pull the chestnuts out of the fire by the obvious reason already mentioned by DoctaSax, being exposed as a site and thus vulnerable to retaliation by Beth that is. On the contrary, unexposed individuals could play Vietcong with Beth to the bitter end, the fall of Bethesda Ruins in the Wasteland. War, war never changes.
Funnybizness Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Rock☆ and Project CD RED...please don't turn into shit stains! Do not give away a halos to the game companies. For them, all users are just wallet, from which it is necessary to draw out as much money as possible. RS sell one game (GTA5) two times, yes with improvements but still. And yes, Shark Cards for online mode. PCR right now on period when they need a fame. And they have only one game, based on book - not their, self made universe. We gonna look on Cyberpunk 2077 but i don't have much hope on this, because i don't like cyberpunk genre... Nobody know, if tomorrow one of their bosses wake up with a wish to buy plane or yacht. Name and reputation today mean nothing. If for money need put your face in puddle of mud, they gonna do it without a hesitation. You're absolutely right. Rock☆ and Project CD RED...please don't turn into shit stains! believe me, I'm done with this company (CD PR) they to have me more disappointed than Bethesda, I loved the The Witcher Series and what have they done, they have these buried, simply thrown straight to the rubbish! and what do they do now, a crappy modern game that I at all do not like, that can play who wants I quite certainly not! I too loved the Witcher 2 and 3 but I wonder if Steam punk is going to be as good. Maybe they'll surprise us Rock☆ and Project CD RED...please don't turn into shit stains!Don't ask them to stay honest (more or less). Their only responsibility is to their stock holders to maximize returns on their investments. It is up to the customer to try to keep them honest through financial pressure and strategic positive and negative publicity.Very true. Rock☆ and Project CD RED...please don't turn into shit stains! Rockstar hasn't been a consumer friendly dev since GTA 3, and CDPR will go the way every other company does once Cyber2077 launches because they will have a shit ton more bills to pay without Polish grants to help them out, so if they intend to make games the size that they do now, they're going to need money from somewhere. No company is immune from greed. Yeah. I guess gaming companies have all changed for the worst. And your right. R☆ doesn't even like modders iirc.
KoolHndLuke Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 So is there any protest movement? Does Nexus react to this, or they doesn't see the threat?They're not talking about it one way or the other. Most don't seem to see it as a threat. Some will defend it. I guess they trust in Beth's "goodwill" or something. They're logic is that Beth needs them in order to cultivate new modders and ideas. I say "Yeah. But for how long?". Maybe they're just waiting for others to pull the chestnuts out of the fire by the obvious reason already mentioned by DoctaSax, being exposed as a site and thus vulnerable to retaliation by Beth that is. On the contrary, unexposed individuals could play Vietcong with Beth to the bitter end, the fall of Bethesda Ruins in the Wasteland. War, war never changes. It's not just that. Some modders themselves seem to have an attitude of belonging to some exclusive little club where they pool knowledge and do not share for some fuckin reason. I try to learn things for instance, and the authors I ask either don't respond or give some smart ass answer that doesn't help at all. They just point to some article or vid and say "learn this" and then go about their business. Hell, right now a modder left a post on Nextaus asking for a writer/voice actor. I shot him some ideas for his mod that he likes, but he won't do shit with them because I am not "known" for anything. Idiot I say. So if the "community" wants to see modding grow then some of you ppl that know shit need to help those of us who are trying to learn. That way more ppl making mods for more games. Some of you help- others of you do not. Honestly I think some modders just like to sit back and watch people struggle to learn so they can swoop in like super- geniuses and point at all a persons mistakes and laugh- but certainly not to help with anything. What kind of superiority trip is that? That's sad if that is the case. I mainly mean other sites- not here so much.
ralfetas Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 So is there any protest movement? Does Nexus react to this, or they doesn't see the threat?They're not talking about it one way or the other. Most don't seem to see it as a threat. Some will defend it. I guess they trust in Beth's "goodwill" or something. They're logic is that Beth needs them in order to cultivate new modders and ideas. I say "Yeah. But for how long?". Maybe they're just waiting for others to pull the chestnuts out of the fire by the obvious reason already mentioned by DoctaSax, being exposed as a site and thus vulnerable to retaliation by Beth that is. On the contrary, unexposed individuals could play Vietcong with Beth to the bitter end, the fall of Bethesda Ruins in the Wasteland. War, war never changes. It's not just that. Some modders themselves seem to have an attitude of belonging to some exclusive little club where they pool knowledge and do not share for some fuckin reason. I try to learn things for instance, and the authors I ask either don't respond or give some smart ass answer that doesn't help at all. They just point to some article or vid and say "learn this" and then go about their business. Hell, right now a modder left a post on Nextaus asking for a writer/voice actor. I shot him some ideas for his mod that he likes, but he won't do shit with them because I am not "known" for anything. Idiot I say. So if the "community" wants to see modding grow then some of you ppl that know shit need to help those of us who are trying to learn. That way more ppl making mods for more games. Some of you help- others of you do not. Honestly I think some modders just like to sit back and watch people struggle to learn so they can swoop in like super- geniuses and point at all a persons mistakes and laugh- but certainly not to help with anything. What kind of superiority trip is that? That's sad if that is the case. I mainly mean other sites- not here so much. There are modders that are rude to people in general, but there is the ones that are nice and polite, but if you want to learn, you cannot expect that some modder will teach you... There is a lot of content around the net to learn how to modding, from modelling to scripting, there is a lot of infos around, the idea of modders to sit back and see people struggle to learn are wrong, they will point you the way if you want, but you have to go read and learn stuff by yourself. Another point, any mod can be material to be studied, you see a mod that do something and you want to make something like that, you can just download that mod and study what was made, this is how 99% of the modders learn to make something.
KoolHndLuke Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 There are modders that are rude to people in general, but there is the ones that are nice and polite, but if you want to learn, you cannot expect that some modder will teach you... There is a lot of content around the net to learn how to modding, from modelling to scripting, there is a lot of infos around, the idea of modders to sit back and see people struggle to learn are wrong, they will point you the way if you want, but you have to go read and learn stuff by yourself. Another point, any mod can be material to be studied, you see a mod that do something and you want to make something like that, you can just download that mod and study what was made, this is how 99% of the modders learn to make something. I guess what I am saying is that making a mod should not be treated as a right of passage or some kind of competition as some seem to view it. CC monetizing the mod scene is certainly not going to foster more sharing from people who have ideas of making some quick cash. It's something akin to driving a bulldozer through paradise to me. Nothing good can come from it. The ones that really get to me though are the smug bastards who seem to think they know everything about modding and try and tell people they're idiots for thinking that CC is going to destroy free modding. I don't believe it will destroy it because I know they can't, but I am not going to believe that they mean no harm either. Those that are defending it are probably just waiting for Beth to give them a call now or some time in the future.
ralfetas Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 There are modders that are rude to people in general, but there is the ones that are nice and polite, but if you want to learn, you cannot expect that some modder will teach you... There is a lot of content around the net to learn how to modding, from modelling to scripting, there is a lot of infos around, the idea of modders to sit back and see people struggle to learn are wrong, they will point you the way if you want, but you have to go read and learn stuff by yourself. Another point, any mod can be material to be studied, you see a mod that do something and you want to make something like that, you can just download that mod and study what was made, this is how 99% of the modders learn to make something. I guess what I am saying is that making a mod should not be treated as a right of passage or some kind of competition as some seem to view it. CC monetizing the mod scene is certainly not going to foster more sharing from people who have ideas of making some quick cash. It's something akin to driving a bulldozer through paradise to me. Nothing good can come from it. The ones that really get to me though are the smug bastards who seem to think they know everything about modding and try and tell people they're idiots for thinking that CC is going to destroy free modding. I don't believe it will destroy it because I know they can't, but I am not going to believe that they mean no harm either. Those that are defending it are probably just waiting for Beth to give them a call now or some time in the future. I understand, and is funny that i know 2 modders that are idiots and they are on CC. The first mod i made public i ask a lot of help from everyone, and i got those helps, but you have to understand, there is a lot of people asking for help, but not so many willing to really study and learn, most just think there is some magic button to press and the mod will be ready, and is not like that... So is difficult to modders spend time teaching someone, in special when we have a lot of tutorials around... I agreed with you, CC will not destroy mods, but CC already destroy the image of bethesda, i am sure most of us here used to see bethesda as a nice company, one of few gaming companies that really care for the fan base, CC just show us that bethesda don't care, and this is sad, we lost a hero, CC could be a nice thing, but the way they do it, there is no turning back now, back when CC was announce i said here, the price will be a problem, everyone was expecting a gun for 10 cents, and that is not what happen... We could take all the lies from bethesda, we could take all the bugs, we could take the lack of content on FO4 compared to the other games, we could even take the fact that pirates gets the game 15 days first, but i think CC is too much...
winny257 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 ---snip--- The first mod i made public i ask a lot of help from everyone, and i got those helps, but you have to understand, there is a lot of people asking for help, but not so many willing to really study and learn, most just think there is some magic button to press and the mod will be ready, and is not like that... So is difficult to modders spend time teaching someone, in special when we have a lot of tutorials around... thereto I say only, not for everyone is modding possible, once playing time a great role, for others it's just too hard, and again others do not speak english that one needs for the modding! now say but not, to learn English, then I say, learn to fly.
KoolHndLuke Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 ---snip--- The first mod i made public i ask a lot of help from everyone, and i got those helps, but you have to understand, there is a lot of people asking for help, but not so many willing to really study and learn, most just think there is some magic button to press and the mod will be ready, and is not like that... So is difficult to modders spend time teaching someone, in special when we have a lot of tutorials around... thereto I say only, not for everyone is modding possible, once playing time a great role, for others it's just too hard, and again others do not speak english that one needs for the modding! now say but not, to learn English, then I say, learn to fly. Ja. Aber ich weiß, wie man schon fliegt!
winny257 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 ---snip--- The first mod i made public i ask a lot of help from everyone, and i got those helps, but you have to understand, there is a lot of people asking for help, but not so many willing to really study and learn, most just think there is some magic button to press and the mod will be ready, and is not like that... So is difficult to modders spend time teaching someone, in special when we have a lot of tutorials around... thereto I say only, not for everyone is modding possible, once playing time a great role, for others it's just too hard, and again others do not speak english that one needs for the modding! now say but not, to learn English, then I say, learn to fly. Ja. Aber ich weiß, wie man schon fliegt! und daß ohne Flügel! eng: and that without wings!
MadMansGun Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/87040/? joke mods are the best
winny257 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/87040/? joke mods are the best the people out there do not laugh. DO NOT buy any of the creation club shit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/6wm0qk/do_not_buy_any_of_the_creation_club_shit/
KoolHndLuke Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/87040/? joke mods are the best "I intend to release more items that utilize Broken Souls and I will most likely continue to reskin and recycle content that has previously been seen in this or older games especially if I can get someone else to do all the hard work for me."
arpaschad Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/87040/? joke mods are the best I downloaded this mod and tested it in game...I don't see anything wrong with it...sure it costs like hell to make it without using console codes but boy is it worth it! I have one big ass club that comes in 3 unique colors! how cool is that? "it just works..."
Canaris Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/87040/? joke mods are the best I miss the joke ..
shadowlord445 Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 We're reaching levels of shit never thought possible!
swmas Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/87040/? joke mods are the best I miss the joke .. It's actually pretty funny if you read the description and know a little about how CC is implemented. I too was thinking "not this shit again" when I saw the mod's title but read the description and I'm gonna download the mod just to endorse it now.
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