Paid mods and Bethesda announcement on the E3

[lulu8790]

hi i need a lot of help i had the march version of ww and it works and everything but i decided to update to the latest version because i want the new things, etc. so i substituted the new download for the march one and that didn't work. after that, i deleted all the extra poses, skins, etc and download updated ones and it still doesn't work. weird. near happened to me before. what do i do? why is this happening? i just wanna be able to use the updated mod but my computer is like against it lol i did everything... please help thank you!

[arpaschad]

hi i need a lot of help i had the march version of ww and it works and everything but i decided to update to the latest version because i want the new things, etc. so i substituted the new download for the march one and that didn't work. after that, i deleted all the extra poses, skins, etc and download updated ones and it still doesn't work. weird. near happened to me before. what do i do? why is this happening? i just wanna be able to use the updated mod but my computer is like against it lol i did everything... please help thank you!

 this is the wrong place to ask...

[lulu8790]

 

hi i need a lot of help i had the march version of ww and it works and everything but i decided to update to the latest version because i want the new things, etc. so i substituted the new download for the march one and that didn't work. after that, i deleted all the extra poses, skins, etc and download updated ones and it still doesn't work. weird. near happened to me before. what do i do? why is this happening? i just wanna be able to use the updated mod but my computer is like against it lol i did everything... please help thank you!

 this is the wrong place to ask...

 

ya ik im just asking around

[prinyo]

[arpaschad]

well...with what is happening in the gaming industry now with the lootpocalypse going on I guess Beth is the lesser evil for now since their "not paid mods" aren't that intrusive unlike what EA and Activision is doing...for now...

[ToJKa]

So why is it anyway that gamers are collectively seem to be suffering from some sort of Battered Wife Syndrome?

 

"They aren't forcing it, so it's okay?"

"I'm sure they'll patch it"

"But making games is so much more expensive these days"

 

Meanwhile, i just finished the indie game Hollow Knight yesterday. There's still that skill and passion like in the games before Big Publishers

Until they get popular and dumb down their games down for the mainstream, of course

[GrimReaper]

So why is it anyway that gamers are collectively seem to be suffering from some sort of Battered Wife Syndrome?

 

"They aren't forcing it, so it's okay?"

"I'm sure they'll patch it"

"But making games is so much more expensive these days"

 

Meanwhile, i just finished the indie game Hollow Knight yesterday. There's still that skill and passion like in the games before Big Publishers

Until they get popular and dumb down their games down for the mainstream, of course

 

Because they've been fed lies the entire time by the industry, that's why. There are also no big media outlets talking about these issues so the only ones that talk about things like these are people on social media, forums and youtube and we all know how well that goes.

[ToJKa]

 

So why is it anyway that gamers are collectively seem to be suffering from some sort of Battered Wife Syndrome?

 

"They aren't forcing it, so it's okay?"

"I'm sure they'll patch it"

"But making games is so much more expensive these days"

 

Meanwhile, i just finished the indie game Hollow Knight yesterday. There's still that skill and passion like in the games before Big Publishers

Until they get popular and dumb down their games down for the mainstream, of course

 

Because they've been fed lies the entire time by the industry, that's why. There are also no big media outlets talking about these issues so the only ones that talk about things like these are people on social media, forums and youtube and we all know how well that goes.

 

 

Yeah, that sounds about right.

How long is it going to take until game development is started to be held to same rules as every other industry?

 

Actually, the opposite would be more funny. I'd like to hear it's my fault when my brand new vacuum cleaner cathces on fire when i turn it on for the first time

 

[Crag]

I don't see the issue with Patreon.  I mean, it's my choice who to support. Not like I'm forced. Now MT's I'm torn on. In MMO's, (such as SWTOR) I don't mind them that much since all the items are vanity. But in single player games? I mean, what's the point? I know what the publishers want, but what's the point in a player using the in-game store?

I looked at the store in Shadow of War. It didn't offer anything I already didn't have. And, a cheat app is already available for the game. So even if you wanted something you can just get it the old fashioned way... cheat. 

[Dragonjoe69]

They can shove their paid mods up their asses, greedy bitch boys with their micro transactions selling shaders and hairstyles to our children should be arrested for fraud. bring back real gaming!!!!! Hell Yeah!! $59.95 for a papa smurf profile picture lol

[GrimReaper]

I don't see the issue with Patreon.  I mean, it's my choice who to support. Not like I'm forced. Now MT's I'm torn on. In MMO's, (such as SWTOR) I don't mind them that much since all the items are vanity. But in single player games? I mean, what's the point? I know what the publishers want, but what's the point in a player using the in-game store?

 

I looked at the store in Shadow of War. It didn't offer anything I already didn't have. And, a cheat app is already available for the game. So even if you wanted something you can just get it the old fashioned way... cheat. 

 

The problem with patreon is that it injects monetization into the modding scene which is a bad thing because people are more inclined to support shiny new things instead of the very foundation that made these things possible in the first place. If we take Skyrim and the adult modding scene as an example, it works roughly like this: SKSE/FNIS -> Body Replacer -> Sexlab Framework -> Sexlab mods -> Animations. Now who sets up patreon accounts? The people making animations who get triggered by people who produce adult videos and make money off of them or some shit like that. 'How dare these people make money with my work REEEEEEE I should be the one getting money', of course being ignorant of the fact that they're doing this very same thing as well when they start charging money for their contributions. This might lead to a slippery slope where everyone starts hiding behind a patreon paywall or where enough people lose any sort of interest in trying to create and preserve a healthy modding scene because why bother when the end result is that some people will just use your work to make money for themselves? And that's not even talking about the people who rip armors from other games and expect to get paid for that.

 

I mean, if you want to replace 'how can I make my favorite game better by doing things I enjoy' with 'how can I make more and more money?', I suppose you might want patreon it its current form. Modding was about passion but I expect that to change if it hasn't already. People shit on Bethesda for being greedy fucks (and rightly so) yet have no problem with greedy fucks in their own community. Suddenly it's okay to hide things behind a paywall because apparently now you need to make money with mods.

[Jazzman]

Suddenly it's okay to hide things behind a paywall because apparently now you need to make money with mods.

Add 'urgently' to the need of money in this modder generation and we've reached the bottom of the modern rabbit hole, the grand social taboo of creeping poverty caused by private indebtedness, finally. Actually, a great many people of today can't financially afford to spend a big chunk of their leisure time on modding for free or gaming as such anymore. Yet they do, simply b/c they have too much of it and not enough under contract that'd enable them to earn the living standard of their grandparents.

As long as these people try to hide their actual financial problems behind the phantasmagoria of indispensability in the com (or a fictive BMW in the parental garage) they won't get a single dollar from me. I for one don't invest my money in suspect guys that are afraid of the own bitter truth. Methinks that only one in a hundred modders of today is actually 'greedy', the vast majority of those who want to get paid is probably clutching at any financial straw on the horizon... at best w/o having to leave the former children's room for one inch.

[Crag]

 

I don't see the issue with Patreon.  I mean, it's my choice who to support. Not like I'm forced. Now MT's I'm torn on. In MMO's, (such as SWTOR) I don't mind them that much since all the items are vanity. But in single player games? I mean, what's the point? I know what the publishers want, but what's the point in a player using the in-game store?

 

I looked at the store in Shadow of War. It didn't offer anything I already didn't have. And, a cheat app is already available for the game. So even if you wanted something you can just get it the old fashioned way... cheat. 

 

The problem with patreon is that it injects monetization into the modding scene which is a bad thing because people are more inclined to support shiny new things instead of the very foundation that made these things possible in the first place. If we take Skyrim and the adult modding scene as an example, it works roughly like this: SKSE/FNIS -> Body Replacer -> Sexlab Framework -> Sexlab mods -> Animations. Now who sets up patreon accounts? The people making animations who get triggered by people who produce adult videos and make money off of them or some shit like that. 'How dare these people make money with my work REEEEEEE I should be the one getting money', of course being ignorant of the fact that they're doing this very same thing as well when they start charging money for their contributions. This might lead to a slippery slope where everyone starts hiding behind a patreon paywall or where enough people lose any sort of interest in trying to create and preserve a healthy modding scene because why bother when the end result is that some people will just use your work to make money for themselves? And that's not even talking about the people who rip armors from other games and expect to get paid for that.

 

I mean, if you want to replace 'how can I make my favorite game better by doing things I enjoy' with 'how can I make more and more money?', I suppose you might want patreon it its current form. Modding was about passion but I expect that to change if it hasn't already. People shit on Bethesda for being greedy fucks (and rightly so) yet have no problem with greedy fucks in their own community. Suddenly it's okay to hide things behind a paywall because apparently now you need to make money with mods.

 

Patreon isn't a requirement. The mods are freely available. You are supporting the mod creator. If you want too. The chance that some modder on Patreon might keep his mods behind a paywall is doubtful. Now even sure how one would do that and still use the Nexus or this site. But even if one did the backlash would kill him and his mod. 

 

I have two patreons - this site, and Kris (Interesting NPC's, and other mods). The latter because I use his mods in Skyrim and FO3, NV, & 4. And his mods do not use SKSE, SkyUI or FINS. Just the game and his own assets. And because I think he pays his actors (there are hundreds - personally I suspect Kris must be either an agent or a screenwriter but whatever:) )

 

My point is, I don't believe Patreon is unacceptable because it might lead to paid mods. We have Beth doing that.

[Daedric_Cat]

 

I don't see the issue with Patreon.  I mean, it's my choice who to support. Not like I'm forced. Now MT's I'm torn on. In MMO's, (such as SWTOR) I don't mind them that much since all the items are vanity. But in single player games? I mean, what's the point? I know what the publishers want, but what's the point in a player using the in-game store?

 

I looked at the store in Shadow of War. It didn't offer anything I already didn't have. And, a cheat app is already available for the game. So even if you wanted something you can just get it the old fashioned way... cheat. 

 

The problem with patreon is that it injects monetization into the modding scene which is a bad thing because people are more inclined to support shiny new things instead of the very foundation that made these things possible in the first place. If we take Skyrim and the adult modding scene as an example, it works roughly like this: SKSE/FNIS -> Body Replacer -> Sexlab Framework -> Sexlab mods -> Animations. Now who sets up patreon accounts? The people making animations who get triggered by people who produce adult videos and make money off of them or some shit like that. 'How dare these people make money with my work REEEEEEE I should be the one getting money', of course being ignorant of the fact that they're doing this very same thing as well when they start charging money for their contributions. This might lead to a slippery slope where everyone starts hiding behind a patreon paywall or where enough people lose any sort of interest in trying to create and preserve a healthy modding scene because why bother when the end result is that some people will just use your work to make money for themselves? And that's not even talking about the people who rip armors from other games and expect to get paid for that.

 

I mean, if you want to replace 'how can I make my favorite game better by doing things I enjoy' with 'how can I make more and more money?', I suppose you might want patreon it its current form. Modding was about passion but I expect that to change if it hasn't already. People shit on Bethesda for being greedy fucks (and rightly so) yet have no problem with greedy fucks in their own community. Suddenly it's okay to hide things behind a paywall because apparently now you need to make money with mods.

 

Fore, the modder who makes FINIS, wanted to keep mods free, so he was going to make those who wanted to make paid mods based on his work buy a license. Remember Chesko's Art of the Catch fiasco? Which would keep FINIS free for the rest of us. Better than the patreon system, imo.

[MataHari]

 

Modding was about passion but I expect that to change if it hasn't already. People shit on Bethesda for being greedy fucks (and rightly so) yet have no problem with greedy fucks in their own community. Suddenly it's okay to hide things behind a paywall because apparently now you need to make money with mods.

Absolutely, modding is a hobby and having money involved in a hobby then it is NOT a hobby anymore.  Instead, it is a paid job to create mods for people who are willing to pay a modder for their creation, which goes agasint the EULA for every moddeable Bethesda games.

 

However, lately I have begin to wonder whether Bethesda has changed that to the worse or not, I mean just take the Creation Club as a prime example of how to get rid of a modding community, not to say what Bethesda did the 27th of April this year when they closed the old BSF for good.

[Guest]

 

 

Modding was about passion but I expect that to change if it hasn't already. People shit on Bethesda for being greedy fucks (and rightly so) yet have no problem with greedy fucks in their own community. Suddenly it's okay to hide things behind a paywall because apparently now you need to make money with mods.

Absolutely, modding is a hobby and having money involved in a hobby then it is NOT a hobby anymore.  Instead, it is a paid job to create mods for people who are willing to pay a modder for their creation, which goes agasint the EULA for every moddeable Bethesda games.

 

However, lately I have begin to wonder whether Bethesda has changed that to the worse or not, I mean just take the Creation Club as a prime example of how to get rid of a modding community, not to say what Bethesda did the 27th of April this year when they closed the old BSF for good.

 

 

Actually even in tax there is something called hobby income.

So that's not strictly true.

[Crag]

Then how do you stop it? Not just the CC. That's easy. I mean all the games. I got Shadows of War because the first one was a great game. I looked at the in-game store.. and that was it (by the way, it's more of a casino than a store, which is just messed up). I didn't buy anything. Didn't need too really. 

But is it good enough to buy the game and not use the in-game store? Or not to buy the game at all? Cause the dev's are pushing MT's down our throats. I mean, I'm surprised Beth hasn't charged for the CK yet. 

 

 

[GrimReaper]

Then how do you stop it? Not just the CC. That's easy. I mean all the games. I got Shadows of War because the first one was a great game. I looked at the in-game store.. and that was it (by the way, it's more of a casino than a store, which is just messed up). I didn't buy anything. Didn't need too really. 

 

But is it good enough to buy the game and not use the in-game store? Or not to buy the game at all? Cause the dev's are pushing MT's down our throats. I mean, I'm surprised Beth hasn't charged for the CK yet. 

 

Don't buy them. You buy these games you buy everything that's in them, including microtransactions. Now you may say that you're not going to use this part of the game but as long as you buy the game they don't care. Obviously they hope you'll end up using real money to buy their shitty little lootboxes or whatever they call them but if you don't, that's fine too. That just tells them two things: You're okay with microtransactions in your full price game and that they need to tweak how they're implemented in the game in order to encourage you to buy them next time. There's simply no reason to not include microtransactions because you don't lose anything by including them but the potential gains are virtually unlimited.

[Guest]

Just be a smarter consumer.
When you see BS like this then wait.
Wait until this game is 30$ with everything included in 1 or 2 years after release.

[Crag]

Just be a smarter consumer.

When you see BS like this then wait.

Wait until this game is 30$ with everything included in 1 or 2 years after release.

I'm American.. I can't wait. It's not in my blood.

 

That said, I am a huge AC fan. I stopped pre-orders years ago. Buying a game before it's out is to messed up. Remember MEA? I almost broke my rule and pre-ordered that game because I'm also a huge ME fan. Almost. Glad I didn't. In fact, I just picked it up for $10.99.

 

I don't know about not buying games because there is a store included. That rules out pretty much every MMO and AAA game on the market. Including, I would imagine the next TES game. There has to be a better way to make a statement.

 

As for the CC - I think it's really there for the console players. PC users have no need to use it. 

[Guest]

The don't complain when games get worse and worse.

With less content for more $.

There are just so many games to play that to play all of them you would have to be unemployed and not need sleep.

Its really that simple all of our bitching as gamers will fall under what I described earlier.

 

The only people I will ever pre-order from are CDPR. They have proven themselves so they deserve my confidence.

The rest? They can wait.

If you reward bad behavior then that's what you encourage.

[DoctaSax]

We can't blame people for buying what looks good, or is the lesser of several evils. It only divides, and everything continues as is. Even when something like that's on sale, and you feel you're getting a good deal for your money, profit is still made, rewarding the overall strategy. What we need more of isn't just smarter consumers, but more and smarter creators giving the community a better choice.

[KoolHndLuke]

Some smart-ass used a food analogy to explain the CC to me a few months ago. He stated that the CC is like paying for a large fries to go with your meal or getting a bigger size cola and that no one is forcing you to buy those things if your didn't want them. They thought that was cute. Now, from my perspective of buying fast food for many yrs is that 10 or 20 yrs ago those meals that I bought came with the fries and a larger cola!! The food was better, they gave you more of it, they charged less money for it- back then. Some will argue that the price of food in restaurants has risen in line with increased cost for the owners. BS I say. While that argument may be partly true, It is fuckin greed when your cost have risen 50% lets say and you raise your prices by 300% for even smaller meals that can be supplemented by purchasing additional food!!! That is nothing more than a marketing ploy to trick people into spending more money.

 

Bad enough that we see it everyday in the world, but now they have to fuk our favorite hobbies as well!! All with fan boys and girls arguing the merits for them. May every greedy POS in this world choke and die this instant. You perpetuate our continued decline in not just what we need, but in what we love as well.

[arpaschad]

you know...it's also the consumer's fault why we have this lootpocalypse and MTgeddon in our hands right now...

 

give the game companies an inch, and they will take a mile...

 

it has a gotten to the point that said companies are making patents to apply intrusive microtransaction protocols in a game...

 

and then the only thing we can do about this is the much vaunted "vote with your wallet"

 

which is easier said than done...I'd have better luck convincing Hannibal Lecter to go vegan...since a large number of the gaming community comprises of 11-15 year olds with a lot of lunch money in their hands...

[Guest]

Paid mods are alright as long as they deliver huge mods like Bruma, with voice actors and so on.

This whole CC affair has been a failure from the very beginning due to how badly priced and redundant their content is.