What really pisses you off? please no posts about nexus lol

[Canaris]

8 hours ago, Kendo 2 said:

We're so inclusive we're going to exclude anyone who doesn't adhere to our inclusivity.

Funny thing is how they always push that narrative that muslim terrorism is fueled by "radicalization from opression and muh islamophobia" ( one cunt even got a Nobel Peace Prize because of that ) yet somehow they always "forget" to apply the same logic to hating white people, blaming them for everything, wanting to take away their rights etc and act like more and more whites shifting right is just a sign of our bias and waycism and whatever their favourite buzzword of the month is..

Fucking hypocrites.

[DoctaSax]

Crossposting this here too.

[GrimReaper]

On 11/16/2020 at 8:43 AM, Canaris said:

Because despite what retarded teenaged edgelords might think, politics influences everything in our lives and is incredibly important.

Especially now, given the leftist assault on basic Western values like free speech.

and the general discussion part of an online community build entirely around coomer mods is THE place for politics.

[Mr. Otaku]

8 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

coomer mods

Lmao

[Canaris]

2 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

and the general discussion part of an online community build entirely around coomer mods is THE place for politics.

As good place as any especially in the Offtopic section and "what pisses you off" topic.

[GrimReaper]

6 hours ago, Canaris said:

As good place as any especially in the Offtopic section and "what pisses you off" topic.

There's a million places on the web where you can discuss politics to your heart's content. It's peculiar how you absolutely MUST discuss politics in this very specific place despite the rule being 'no politics'. LL is not even relevant in any shape or form in the culture war, it's relatively speaking a pretty insignificant site for everything except porn mods. Seems like a weird hill to die on but you do you, I guess.

[Kendo 2]

It's most likely time to start treating LL like it's Nexus; download mods and that's it.  The community aspect of the site can become an oil-infused game of naked Twister wokeness and the people who aren't "almost half of the membership" can just fuck off.  @DoctaSaxgets his wish and everyone is happy.  And just like he said; there are other sites.

 

12 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

There's a million places on the web where you can discuss politics to your heart's content. It's peculiar how you absolutely MUST discuss politics in this very specific place despite the rule being 'no politics'. LL is not even relevant in any shape or form in the culture war, it's relatively speaking a pretty insignificant site for everything except porn mods. Seems like a weird hill to die on but you do you, I guess.

It's been a long time since I've agreed with you on anything.

 

[Grey Cloud]

On 11/16/2020 at 7:43 AM, Canaris said:

given the leftist assault on basic Western values like free speech.

Western values that had to be fought and died for over hundreds if not a couple of thousand years. You may also wish to think about it not being the government and ruling class fighting for these values.

[Canaris]

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

LL is not even relevant in any shape or form in the culture war,

Oh you poor naive fool. This culture war of ours takes no prisoners and has absolutely zero room for neutrality.
And we all know what the "No Politics rule" mean in reality and how one sided it always is.

But as you said - you do you.

 

[Visio Diaboli]

7 minutes ago, Canaris said:

war of ours

War of yours. The general population doesn't have their head submerged in political warfare toilet water. Take it somewhere where it's actually being fought, because bringing it in here is zealotry.

[RitualClarity]

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

There's a million places on the web where you can discuss politics to your heart's content. It's peculiar how you absolutely MUST discuss politics in this very specific place despite the rule being 'no politics'. LL is not even relevant in any shape or form in the culture war, it's relatively speaking a pretty insignificant site for everything except porn mods. Seems like a weird hill to die on but you do you, I guess.

 I also agree with you .. here are lots and that isn't the problem in my opinion. The problem as I stated before was the broad interpretation of the "no politics" rule.  Sure if someone is intentional  to discuss Trump and his current actions and the election.. It is clear. Go somewhere else.  It is the broad interpretation that is the issue. Someone having an innocent discussion / debate can easily enter the "political" zone as it is currently interpreted. 

 

The rule is so broad that we have to rely on the moderators to tell us what is and isn't accepted .. after we posted. 

 

[Visio Diaboli]

23 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

The rule is so broad that we have to rely on the moderators to tell us what is and isn't accepted .. after we posted. 

Obviously I have no position to suggest codes of conduct for the moderators - this may even be the way they already do it - but perhaps if there's just a policy of:

 

-Notify that content is deemed political before penalizing

-If the warned-about expression intensifies, do warning points or w/e happens when rules are violated

 

Then we just seem to get to where we already are right now anyway, though, where that happens and then people contest whether the moderators are being fair, plus it's a lot of work for the mods to constantly stay on top of discussions like that. So perhaps an elaboration upon Rule 9, or a rewording to cover 'anything that criticizes the beliefs of another or makes a suggestion as to what they should be' - probably doesn't cover everything but I think it fixes just about all the problems we have or fear having right now.

[Kendo 2]

31 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

 The rule is so broad that we have to rely on the moderators to tell us what is and isn't accepted .. after we posted. 

'We'll let you know if you break a rule that isn't in the rules.'  -- Twitter

[RitualClarity]

20 minutes ago, Visio Diaboli said:

Obviously I have no position to suggest codes of conduct for the moderators - this may even be the way they already do it - but perhaps if there's just a policy of:

 

-Notify that content is deemed political before penalizing

-If the warned-about expression intensifies, do warning points or w/e happens when rules are violated

 

Then we just seem to get to where we already are right now anyway, though, where that happens and then people contest whether the moderators are being fair, plus it's a lot of work for the mods to constantly stay on top of discussions like that. So perhaps an elaboration upon Rule 9, or a rewording to cover 'anything that criticizes the beliefs of another or makes a suggestion as to what they should be' - probably doesn't cover everything but I think it fixes just about all the problems we have or fear having right now.

That is a lot of work.

You are correct. I am also in no position to argue codes of conduct for the moderators. However, I am in a position to discuss my thoughts of the rules and how they impact me and those I know.

 

The elaboration you proposed is a a good step in the right direction. I can see a bit more and understand it a bit better.

[Canaris]

8 hours ago, Visio Diaboli said:

War of yours. The general population doesn't have their head submerged in political warfare toilet water. Take it somewhere where it's actually being fought, because bringing it in here is zealotry.

Naah yours too. You arent the first dude who thinks this doesnt concern him and believes he can sit this one out. 

Many before you did, only to wake up one day and see their entire livelyhood gone because someone got offended at a joke they made or a single word. 

 

 

 

And as i said the "no politics" is unenforceable especially given how skewed the idea of what constitutes as politics is and how pervasive the influence of politics is on life.

So in practice the "no politics" rule is just a smoke screen for the silencing those who disagree with you. 

[Mr. Otaku]

This is getting a quite messy, particularly because there seems to be a mismatch in priority between users as well as mods. I'm not trying to be accusatory but i've noticed that the mod "gregathit" is much more vocal about his political views himself as he has debated several users on various politically related topics, this doesn't seem to be aligned with the ruling of "No Politics." provided by the mod "DoctaSax" recently. I'm of the opinion that a mod being vocal about politics for months has played a part in reinforcing the idea to the rest of the users that political topics wouldn't be a problem here.

 

So there are wrinkles that need to be ironed out. Overall i do agree that politics is not an essential part of LL's atmosphere, it doesn't need to be and the recent poll by user "Psalam" shows that the majority seems to be of the same opinion. While at first i did argue for a political "group" or as it's actually known here, a "club" system which gives sufficient trigger warning to all participating users regarding, i can't defeat the argument "DoctaSax" gave against that method and how it can lead to forming bubbles and echo chambers that don't ever reach the desired conclusion of free and open dialogue.

 

So in conclusion the way i see it is, since we're all here primarily for NSFW mods it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference if political discourse is allowed or not and most users here don't seem to mind letting it go if it means a cleaner and more stable user experience. I don't think this ruling alone will make LL like Nexus, that site has many, many, many, more problems than just politics.

 

TL;DR: Everybody needs to just chill the fuck out. We've lost enough marbles over this shit already.

[KoolHndLuke]

Just checked again. World still fucked. I feel fine. 

[GimmeBACON]

20 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Just checked again. World still fucked. I feel fine. 

[Kendo 2]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

This is getting a quite messy, particularly because there seems to be a mismatch in priority between users as well as mods. I'm not trying to be accusatory but i've noticed that the mod "gregathit" is much more vocal about his political views himself as he has debated several users on various politically related topics, this doesn't seem to be aligned with the ruling of "No Politics." provided by the mod "DoctaSax" recently. I'm of the opinion that a mod being vocal about politics for months has played a part in reinforcing the idea to the rest of the users that political topics wouldn't be a problem here.

@gregathit isn't the one who's off the mark here, making up rules or stirring up controversy where there was none before.

 

Anything is this video sound familiar?

 

[GimmeBACON]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

I'm not trying to be accusatory but i've noticed that the mod "gregathit" is much more vocal about his political views himself as he has debated several users on various politically related topics, this doesn't seem to be aligned with the ruling of "No Politics." provided by the mod "DoctaSax" recently. I'm of the opinion that a mod being vocal about politics for months has played a part in reinforcing the idea to the rest of the users that political topics wouldn't be a problem here.

 

[Mr. Otaku]

8 minutes ago, Kendo 2 said:

Anything is this video sound familiar?

I get that, i'm not a stranger to any of this and if you go back and read my past posts you'll see that. But i feel like we still need to come together and set a priority. Do we let LL become another Resetera? Or do compromise on expressing politics freely so that new users don't feel like they're being overwhelmed, even the ones who are on "our" side but maybe have slight variations in selected views.

[Mr. Otaku]

4 minutes ago, GimmeBACON said:

 

Hey if it's not my finger then it's my dick, but i always have a point ;D

[Kendo 2]

Just now, Mr. Otaku said:

I get that, i'm not a stranger to any of this and if you go back and read my past posts you'll see that. But i feel like we still need to come together and set a priority. Do we let LL become another Resetera? Or do compromise on expressing politics freely so that new users don't feel like they're being overwhelmed, even the ones who are on "our" side but maybe have slight variations in selected views.

It's not solely politics; now social topics are under attack.  This list of interesting things we're allowed to talk about is shorter than the list of things we can't talk about.

[GimmeBACON]

4 minutes ago, Kendo 2 said:

It's not solely politics; now social topics are under attack.  This list of interesting things we're allowed to talk about is shorter than the list of things we can't talk about.

That's more or less my opinion... things that would otherwise not be considered political become so because a tribe politicized it.

 

Regardless... this shits probably gonna get purged anyway.?

[Mr. Otaku]

Just now, Kendo 2 said:

It's not solely politics; now social topics are under attack.  This list of interesting things we're allowed to talk about is shorter than the list of things we can't talk about.

I know, politics in some form influences social issues. Sometimes politics will be brought up even if indirectly, i think the goal should be to not make it a hardcore habit? Like, Resetera for example, that's a leftist cesspool because that type of behavior reigns supreme there. If we don't take a step back and put things in perspective don't you think LL could become the non-left version of Resetera? All in all, trying to debate politics never goes smoothly, people like you and i understand that but the newcomers may not.

 

I don't know, i think an anchor has to be dropped somewhere.