For the five users that still think the Nexus is your buddy.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Catgirltrainer said:

A question for the people that are against the rule changes on Nexus, what do you guys think about Wabbajack? Have you played with collections? 

 

Are you against the system of collections or is it just about the no delete rule?

Thank you, I was curious to see when you were going to ask that.

 

Here's my 2 cents. I'm keeping the two things separated. I don't think the "no-delete mandatory feature" is really mandatory, I don't buy it. It's probably a way to make things easier and more convenient for some, which is different from being mandatory. And it ends up that I'm still on the fence with the whole subject, but paradoxally it's mainly because of lists themselves, not nexus.

 

WJ really can streamline some work for users and makes it incredibly simple and fast. That's a fact I could experience myself.

 

But I guess everything has a cost. You can tell people that everything is beautiful and perfect, and it surely is from the point of view of someone involved in lists, or if you only take in consideration the previous statement, but I guess that there's a balancement, some are going to earn and some are going to lose. Sure, an idea could always be to concentrate any loss to the most dumbfuc-ers of the modding community (the modders like myself), even because let's say the truth, it's years that they work for free, so keeping the head down probably is nothing new for them. Eventually, if they decide to complain, just play some "divas" card or whatever other BS and let them repent. But then also, wtf they want? they can always buy their monthly icecream with their DPs, greedy f-ckers

 

Yeah I'm ironic if it wasn't clear, I'm going back to seriousness.

 

Here's some doubts that came to my mind, regarding WJ: first, who regulates its content? If a Nexus modlist has something that shouldn't be there, people can report as they always did in the past. Who are you going to report when this happens on WJ? a fast search on google didn't give me some result.

 

Second though, WJ gives the ability to use external hosts like Mega, I don't know if nexus lists will have this feature but it wouldn't make sense for them so I'm prone to think it won't. This gives WJ a good advantage against nexus lists, the ability to repost banned or removed content. Now, reposts were always done in the past, in some specific places who decided they didn't care about anyone. On the other side, there were communities who were recognizing the authors' wills and doing efforts to regulate them the best they could (I bet some purple names know what I mean). Now we're having a software which streamlines it and makes all these "suspicious downloads" automatic for people who don't even know what they are downloading. This is entirely on a new level, that's more like a torrent, the Modding KAT. So again, does it mean it's a free-for-all-grab-whatever-you-can, or there's gonna be some attempt to regulate something?

 

Third though, WJ can really work fine to someone's computer only if there's a curator which invested and continues investing passion, love for modding and follows the list in the way it deserves. I have a lot of esteem for those. But, I strongly believe modding's not easy at all, I don't think everyone can wear that role properly, it's very time consuming and  frustrating. Just like everyone can say "let's make a new worldspace with tons of npcs and quests to do" but few know really what it means. So, in the long run I expect that some lists, made by people with passion of modding and all, are eventually going to be defined better than others, the overall "quality" of the list will prevail. I hope and expect that "List made from the ashes of some famous wondrous guide" will be more used than "big cauldron of a childish Social Star wannabe", but who knows. I mean, seriously, if you're gonna think that a list is a fast way to earn some Status, some Internet Points, if you still think that money grow on trees and you just need to open a Patreon to grab em, well... thank you, this is very helpful for me to understand the overall quality of the list and the people involved on it, since this is usually inversely proportional to the times you are driving me to your Patreon page.

 

Last though, the "potential loss" of a modder coming out from lists: this is debatable, it could have no meaning for some and have a great meaning for others so be openminded and respect other's views. BUT: it's undeniable imho that THERE IS a loss. Feedbacks, bug reports, or even simple "thank you I appreciated" (which let me remind you they are stationary on some shameless averages of 1/20-1/30) are going to be drastically reduced (in terms of ratio), because the exposure itself is going to be drastically reduced. A list removes the steps to look for a mod that does what you would like in your game, read the description to see if it's really what you like, going back to tell thank you because you're having a blast, seems pretty logic to me to think that. Someone in the previous pages brought the specific example of some...Simon... modder... who had an increase of downloads or whatever. Yes, it's good, we need practical examples like these, but then we shouldn't forget that numbers must always be seen in the right perspective, an increase of "downloads" means little if it's not compared with the loss of exposure. Did you question yourself if the reason why modders have less "pollution" on threads is just the direct consequence of the fact a lot of people don't even know who made a certain mod? This has nothing to do with the curator doing the support, in fact some curators could just decide to -not- give support for what we know (and I do know). Also, since someone was mentioning it previously: I didn't see neither splash screens of mods on WJ, nor a single complete load order on the list page, not even links or mentions to the authors who made these mods. But since the first moment I got awared of the curator's Patreon Twitch and other BS like that, what would you think when you find yourself in such a situation.

[MonVert]

18 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

Would be kinda retarded to waste thousands of Bucks on Lawyers just to get one of your mods removed,

 

Would, also, be kind of retarded to throw a hissy fit and remove your; their, mod,  inconveniencing hundreds of people, just to put it on a pedestal somewhere harder to get just because you; they, don't like what their main distribution platform is doing. (Even though it is, again, not about mod authorship but money)

 

If you don't have the money to hire a lawyer, perhaps think about getting a real job rather than trying to protect "Muh mods" from "The evilz Nexurs led by Derp0ne Prime"

 

17 minutes ago, A.J. said:

A list removes the steps to look for a mod that does what you would like in your game,

 

If you don't have a Premium membership at Nexus; you still need to visit mod pages one-by-one, anyhow.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Pamatronic said:

People in General are known to shy from Legal Battles with companies with a huge fuck you monetary advantage.

Would be kinda retarded to waste thousands of Bucks on Lawyers just to get one of your mods removed, now wouldn't it?

People today storm to Twitter to make changes. They do not consult a lawyer. And yes, that would be very costly.

 

For Bethesda, modders in general are small fish i assume. Not sure if Bethesda is listing to user in general. Personally i think that the whole discussion probably will not change anything.

 

From what i see, most mods stay (for whatever reason). I think it would made an impact, if essential mods were to be pulled of. Kind of where it hurts. But that did not happen. At least not so far.

[Pamatronic]

Just now, MonVert said:

Would, also, be kind of retarded to throw a hissy fit and remove your mod, inconveniencing hundreds of people, just to put it on a pedestal somewhere harder to get.

This has been stated before, But its effectively the only thing you can do to show you discontent with Nexus. Sure, its inconvenient to users, but what else can you do?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, MonVert said:

 

Would, also, be kind of retarded to throw a hissy fit and remove your mod, inconveniencing hundreds of people, just to put it on a pedestal somewhere harder to get just because you; they, don't like what their main distribution platform is doing. (Even though it is, again, not about mod authorship but money)

I am not sure if people are really inconvenienced at all. Sure, some mods are removed. The only one i seen where i can imagine some people are inconvenienced is Fusion Girl. But luck has it, that it is here now.

Like i pointed out before, if some big mods would disappear, it would have a more direct impact. For example, Racemenu or Looksmenu. That would directly affect people and the website. Because that would hurt. If some immersive mod is missing, most do not even notice. They learn when it hurts. They do not learn if its convenient.

 

Besides any software that i available in some form, can always taken off the market. Happens all the time. There isn't a right to software. Creators can also change the terms at any time. Happens with Faceshit very often. Or whatever company it is.
Since this is gaming, it isn't really on my priority list. DRM affects me way more and sometimes destroys my pleasure of playing a game in the first plays. As much as i like to mod, it isn't essential to me. But i highly value every author that puts time and effort in development of a mod. It ain't easy. Otherwise i would write a mod or had one written. Probably not magically either.

 

Anyway, i think we need to chill more.

[MonVert]

16 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

This has been stated before, But its effectively the only thing you can do to show you discontent with Nexus. Sure, its inconvenient to users, but what else can you do?

 

Oh, I dunno... Maybe not be an amazing dick diva about it and try to mislead others about the real reasons behind all of this? (Saying this in general, not to you; specifically.) It's one thing to write an angry letter; it's another thing to remove your "toys" and put them in an even more questionable location all while claiming the moral high ground. It's like the Spirit of Arthmoor has Descended from on High, or something equally ridiculous. ?

 

6 minutes ago, wutpickel said:

Like i pointed out before, if some big mods would disappear,

 

July is still young... I expect more to vanish as we get closer to the deadline.

[Tlam99]

5 minutes ago, MonVert said:

in an even more questionable location

So you are going to enjoy the freedom of speak ?

At norxus would probably got banned for this ?

 

[Guest]

Without modding, Skyrim would just be a generic farmer simulator. Does not matter if you have a cathedral or a parlor orientation, but Skyrim is only beating the current trash in the market due to mod authors. 

However, Bethesda can change the rules at any minute and only grant copyright to mods hosted at CC, rendering all the others illegal. If they notice the game is not giving them any money, they can do it. 

That's why I recommend to hoard the mods. Even the ones you are not using at the moment. Just hoard them and backup them in a external hdd. 

Also, I want to say that Hard Reset have better graphics than Cyberjunk 2077. Do with this information whatever you want. 

[DoctaSax]

1 hour ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

And I dont hate gallery modders as well. They are useful. 

 

Of course you don't, you're one of them.

 

17 minutes ago, wutpickel said:

Like i pointed out before, if some big mods would disappear, it would have a more direct impact.

 

From what I can tell, for every modder who takes his stuff off Nexus over this, there are more who simply decide to leave it but no longer update or add new mods. It has less of a direct impact but will still be felt. I'm not deleting my stuff either, trivial as it may be in download count, because it's against the spirit of my own copy policies. Other people have files up that are the result of a joint effort, with one side wanting to leave but the other not. Since Nexus only offers 'all or nothing' deletion, they have to go for nothing.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, DoctaSax said:

Of course you don't, you're one of them. 

 

 

Was. I have had my diva moment, but today I'm more chill. 

And because I had experimented the parlor mentality myself, I can criticize it. 

[Ernest Lemmingway]

I'm just waiting to see this whole thing either fall apart completely or become something akin to the Creation Club: a failed venture that quietly fades away because it fails to live up to expectations.

 

There's only mod pack I've ever used and I've replaced over half of the mods it contained as they were updated or removed them entirely because I didn't want them to begin with. Even then it required actual knowledge of how to mod to get everything to work. Those who think mod packs will replace actual skill at modding are going to be sorely mistaken. Especially if they try and combine them with mods not included in said mod packs.

[InsolentTedium]

On 7/11/2021 at 3:53 PM, knightblade150 said:

....no reason end users should have to do redundant legwork these days.

Searching for something you like and learning how to use it is "redundant legwork" ...Damn! I hope you don't live your life with this perception, how is using your own grey matter and actually reading something and learning redundant?

On 7/11/2021 at 4:23 PM, Catgirltrainer said:

... this is gonna be the future of modding and will make it way more accessible for all gamers, not just the hardcore that know what they are doing....

 

...This "simpler way in" is the sole reason I spent the last 2 months tinkering with Skyrim, finding LL, paying for a nexus sub, donating to modders who impressed etc. That still isn't good enough, but it is still early days and the lists will get there soon...

 

 

This just reads as a whole lot of lazy and way too much privilege to me, both these posts do. Hardcore my *ss, I'm a 50 year old female with pretty much zero Computer experience, but I managed to work it out, I'm far from hardcore, I just believe reading install instructions and compatibilities and using a little common sense goes a long, long way, that's how I get by.. You're saying people half my age and with at least some Computer knowledge find it too hard to build a working Mod list? ?

 

I don't necessarily have an issue with Mod Lists per se', if people want to be lazy, that's their choice, what i have a problem with is DO's approach, "I demand you give me ownership of your Mods, or get the h*ll out! And I'm only giving you a very small window to do this in"...That's what stinks. The Modders are the sole reason his in business and are making him a great deal of money, their talent, their time (without pay), their hard work, not his, I personally feel what he is doing is despicable.

[InsolentTedium]

On 7/11/2021 at 9:27 PM, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

...I think in the future mods will only be distributed through mod lists, and if you want them individually, you will have to download them from a repository with a text interface (like github). The visual interface will be in the software for mod lists, instead of the website. 

I sincerely hope not, if that becomes the case I guess I wouldn't be moving on past Skyrim

[InsolentTedium]

On 7/12/2021 at 3:05 AM, Gukahn said:

yeah.. I wanted a specific kind of mod for almost 5 Months. Just a plane, stupid Mod that would get me Werewolf Transformation even if i was a vampire. Guess what? Such a mod exists and works flawless since 2018.. Found it by chance ? and it really deserves more attention then it got. Same Author made other mods who are now essential for me and i would never have found him if not by searching google for a way to shut  Brynjolfs stupid mouth ? But naked Followers and a "Now you can swing your sword while taking la shit" Mod? Don't have to try to find those

Same, I have to hunt high and low for a lot of the Mods I want, have spent hours trawling for great but forgotten Mods. They say don't use old Mods, but what choice do we have if we want beyond boobs in our Game. I find the same issue with large "I will do everything for you" Mods, they get the most attention, but if you want something simpler and less intrusive, the hunt is well and truly on.

[Distortedrealms]

I hope Mod lists are not the future. The concept is just so lazy. Its going to strip the originality right out of modding. My LO is my own, and the struggle was real but I got it set up with stability in spades. I would feel like a clone playing the same mod layout as someone else. I guess that's akin to people loving only popular music, and those that go down the rabbit holes of underground music. Modding is slowly becoming a hobby for divas.

[Guest]

What do you mean you don't want to see the top of hot mods being moved down and replaced with a hot collections section? 

 

Top 7 "Collections" each month with 4K 120 fps videos of someone with a RTX 3090 in a r/PCMR Lamborghini build with a 3 min shill video of a huge booba character with a 3BBB physics big titty outfit & 8K textures with action cuts that looks like something out a Michael bay film all surround behind a beautiful landscape overhaul. Premium will fucking sell IF* it's marketed right to the LCD. I only partly jest ofc... it will be full of 8k weapon port showcases and a big booba character wearing just enough to not be marked NSFW.

[27X]

1 hour ago, aghjax said:

What do you mean you don't want to see the top of hot mods being moved down and replaced with a hot collections section? 

 

Top 7 "Collections" each month with 4K 120 fps videos of someone with a RTX 3090 in a r/PCMR Lamborghini build with a 3 min shill video of a huge booba character with a 3BBB physics big titty outfit & 8K textures with action cuts that looks like something out a Michael bay film all surround behind a beautiful landscape overhaul. Premium will fucking sell IF* it's marketed right to the LCD. I only partly jest ofc... it will be full of 8k weapon port showcases and a big booba character wearing just enough to not be marked NSFW.

 

That shit is already all over youtube.

[MonVert]

1 hour ago, aghjax said:

What do you mean you don't want to see the top of hot mods being moved down and replaced with a hot collections section? 

 

Top 7 "Collections" each month with 4K 120 fps videos of someone with a RTX 3090 in a r/PCMR Lamborghini build with a 3 min shill video of a huge booba character with a 3BBB physics big titty outfit & 8K textures with action cuts that looks like something out a Michael bay film all surround behind a beautiful landscape overhaul. Premium will fucking sell IF* it's marketed right to the LCD. I only partly jest ofc... it will be full of 8k weapon port showcases and a big booba character wearing just enough to not be marked NSFW.

 

Bustinia Polecrusher would like a word with you. :V

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

That shit is already all over youtube.

 

OFC it is I was being facetious.

[Malandar]

On 7/1/2021 at 11:31 PM, Kendo 2 said:

The Bethesda modding scene is total shit.  I sure am glad there isn't this level of ass-fuckery with DAZ and SmithMicro.

SmithMicro doesn't own Poser any more Renderosity bought it. Or at least the company that owns Renderosity  did.

[Seijin8]

On 7/11/2021 at 11:22 PM, Catgirltrainer said:

A question for the people that are against the rule changes on Nexus, what do you guys think about Wabbajack? Have you played with collections? 

 

Are you against the system of collections or is it just about the no delete rule?

 

Wabbajack is IMO fine.  They make a solid attempt to keep complaints directed towards the pack provider, instead of modders, and they make nothing (or next to it) on the process.

 

I don't hate collections in principle.  Making it easier to install mods is not a bad thing in and of itself.  Rather, the end-user not knowing how to fix problems is always exacerbated when they install a bunch of things at once, and this will amplify that tremendously.

 

Not cool with Nexus because they stand to make money on it and know they can't do so reliably unless they suspend modders' rights to remove their files.

 

tl;dr:  Nexus shouldn't profit from modders' work, especially when they seem to think that work is theirs to steal.

[Kendo 2]

6 hours ago, Malandar said:

SmithMicro doesn't own Poser any more Renderosity bought it. Or at least the company that owns Renderosity  did.

 

I don't understand your point.  That happened a year ago, my storefronts are fine and it had zero effect on the vendors or the community.  And there's still no Bethesda 'community' levels of ass-fuckery or cunts like Dark0ne fucking it up for everyone.  In fact, the reputation of Bethesda modders, their sites and 'community' are such SHIT that I don't go by Kendo2 on Renderosity and SmithMicro.  That's how much contempt real artists have for Bethesda fans.

[Mr. Otaku]

Man what the fuck happened? I leave gaming and modding for a month and now come back to a complete shit storm, i legit feel lost right now lmao. And leave it to Nexus to always stir the pot for no reason at all, i got a lot of catch up it seems cause i don't get the deal with this "modpack" stuff but it looks like Nexus taking away mod author's autonomy and playing the terrible middlemen role.

 

Speaking of which, damn LoversLab UI looks a bit sleeker now. I kinda like it. It also feels faster, though i'm not sure if it's because of the internet line being better in my new area.

Now, time to update all my mods... Such fun...

[Gukahn]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

Man what the fuck happened? I leave gaming and modding for a month and now come back to a complete shit storm, i legit feel lost right now lmao. And leave it to Nexus to always stir the pot for no reason at all, i got a lot of catch up it seems cause i don't get the deal with this "modpack" stuff but it looks like Nexus taking away mod author's autonomy and playing the terrible middlemen role.

 

Speaking of which, damn LoversLab UI looks a bit sleeker now. I kinda like it. It also feels faster, though i'm not sure if it's because of the internet line being better in my new area.

Now, time to update all my mods... Such fun...

Welcome in the twilight zone? Take the blue pill to stay and the red pill to also stay but with cherry flavor

[VeraDra]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

Man what the fuck happened? I leave gaming and modding for a month and now come back to a complete shit storm, i legit feel lost right now lmao. And leave it to Nexus to always stir the pot for no reason at all, i got a lot of catch up it seems cause i don't get the deal with this "modpack" stuff but it looks like Nexus taking away mod author's autonomy and playing the terrible middlemen role.

 

Speaking of which, damn LoversLab UI looks a bit sleeker now. I kinda like it. It also feels faster, though i'm not sure if it's because of the internet line being better in my new area.

Now, time to update all my mods... Such fun...

tl;dr:
NexusMods is making a Wabbajack-like system, called "collections", (depending how it goes, probably worse than it), and a small handful of mod authors have had a meltdown over the fact they cannot delete files arbitrarily anymore.