Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[kapibar]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Going to be interesting to see how you handle 10.4+ because updating from 10 will definitely not be possible.

 

Well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. For now - as obviously you can't replicate this specific bug to address it - I have little choice than to use my dirty trick. And being a frequent guest/spammer on this topic, I know at least one more person had the same problem. Like I said, safe beats sorry, I know for a fact upgrading works, for now at least. I don't mean any disrespect recommending this workaround. This bug is very specific and it is definitely not gamebreaking. But it does fuck up some stuff, stuff people unfamiliar with the mod might not even be aware of. So there's a high chance you don't get feedback because new users are simply not aware of how the supply run should work. And just to be fair - I never said "don't use 10.3". Quite the opposite in fact - everytime I recommend downloading latest version from your signature. I mention the 10.3 issue only when someone has a problem with this version as a tried dirty solution.

[tamai]

7 hours ago, kapibar said:

Sure. The main issue with 10.3 is the supply run - father never initiates dialogue, so the quest does not progress as intended (basically I'm stuck at doing the run with clothes on). The issue is fixed by upgrading mid-game. Other thing - after the supply run father sometimes doensn't have the dialogue to end it (give back supply), the only fix is to drop items, report unsuccessful run and receive punishment. This could be present in older versions as well. There were also some other minor bugs with 10.3, but for the life of me I can;t remember them. Anyway, I found most of them are fixed when starting with 10.0, so in the spirit of safe > sorry, I'd recommend doing the same.

 

with 10.3 for me at least:

-supply run never starts naked
-father never asks for sex (even though i get the breeder questline)

-and feeding food and water eventually stops working and he no longer is hungry or thirsty x_x

 

anyone else have these issues? These are basically the only issues I have with the mod consistently, also i dont know if this would cause problems i never ask father to do tasks since i hardly make money doing them

 

I really dont know if its just me here. Ill try to see if i can find out the reason if it is just me to replicate why it happens but having ran through 4 games quickly and testing every time these 3 things would occur for me.

Edited August 14, 2022 by tamai

[Monoman1]

On 8/13/2022 at 3:26 PM, kapibar said:

using the SE version and apparently 10.3 is having some problems

Again. Not trying to be a dick but this doesn't sound like someone that's actually used 10.3 to me. 

Sounds like someone that avoided 10.3 because it's 'bad' apparently and instead avoided actual fixes by installing 10...

 

Funny that 10.0 is not available for LE and there's been no requests for it...

[kapibar]

4 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Again. Not trying to be a dick but this doesn't sound like someone that's actually used 10.3 to me. 

 

I don't think you're being dick-ish. This dude is obviously concerned about using 10.3 and from my experience I cannot in clear conscience reassure him that everything will be fine and dandy. So I suggested a solution that allowed me to use 10.3 without any issues. I fail to see any harm in this advice, but if it grinds your gears - I'll refrain from giving it in the future. Hope we're cool.
 

 

15 minutes ago, tamai said:

-supply run never starts naked

-father never asks for sex (even though i get the breeder questline)

-and feeding food and water eventually stops working and he no longer is hungry or thirsty x_x

1) Yes.
2) It actually happened to me once.
3) This happened too, after going to Solitude.

[tamai]

15 minutes ago, kapibar said:

1) Yes.
2) It actually happened to me once.
3) This happened too, after going to Solitude.

 

okay well at least its not just me but yea ill go through the game with a limited number of mods to try to see if there is any conflicts

[tamai]

well i did find out that setting set pchsfathersex to 0 does fix the sex with father thing on my current game, started a new game with bare minimum mods also no YPS so far sex starts normallly unlike my other game. I still need to do more tests just ran out of time today.

Edited August 14, 2022 by tamai

[Monoman1]

19 hours ago, kapibar said:

but if it grinds your gears

It doesn't. I'm being pragmatic. I think this issue is SE only. 10.0 is not available for LE and nobody has asked for it. I don't use SE. Nor do I have the time to install it, set it up and test things for another platform (who'd the hell would have time to test things on 3 different platforms LE/SE/AE). So it's never going to be solved by me. It's going to be SE guys that come up with a fix most likely. 

 

It's highly unlikely the supply run quest will change in 10.4+ so crossing your fingers and closing your eyes ain't going to work long term. Yes, maybe some will have problems but I'm afraid that's simply a part of the unwritten contract between a user and author when you install a mod...

 

It'll never get fixed otherwise and like I said updating from 10.0 will not be an option going forward. 

 

I've no problem with the workaround being posted if requested. It just shouldn't be a first step IMO. 

15 hours ago, tamai said:

well i did find out that setting set pchsfathersex to 0 does fix the sex with father thing on my current game

What was it set to before you changed it?

[kapibar]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

It doesn't. I'm being pragmatic. I think this issue is SE only. 10.0 is not available for LE and nobody has asked for it.

It's not, I'm on LE. I wouldn't expect anyone asking for a re-upload of an older version considering not many people actually experience this bug, and some of those that do might as well not be aware of the proper way this quest should develop. I agree with you on principle that something should be done about it. My theory is that 10.3 has a dialogue priority problem - there are 2 forcegreets initiated at the same time (firewood and supply run), the firewood wins, but supply run is treated as initiated, so it will reapear as an active quest, but will not develop correctly. As you're aware I know next to shit about modding, so I cannot help you, but logic dictates you should first check for changes in how dialogues are started in 10.0 vs 10.3 because I know for a fact that 10.0 works properly in that regard.

The problem is as following:
the PC doesn't get the supply run dialogue -> supply run appears as an active quest after a few in-game days -> it doesn't progress to nudity and forward.

As far as I can see it is not a quest issue, it's a dialogue issue. Also, it's minor but it's there, I don't get the door dialogue after being thrown out to do the first naked supply run, even in 10.0. It's probably unrelated and it's not questbreaking, but still.

[Monoman1]

42 minutes ago, kapibar said:

It's not, I'm on LE.

Hmm I see. Was convinced you were SE. If so then it's got to be something specific to your set up I would think. 

42 minutes ago, kapibar said:

there are 2 forcegreets initiated at the same time (firewood and supply run),

They can't be. They're a part of the same dialogue block. Same as all the 'new' tasks that are added via FG. Unless I've broken skyrim (not beyond the realm of possibility). Any one of the dialogues on that block could have been said if the conditions are met. 

 

Since you're LE if you can get a save just before things go wrong I can take a look at it. But it'd need to be a very minimal load order. Probably tricky though because there's a large element of randomness. You can FORCE force greets via the debug menu and firewood and supply run are two tasks that don't really have any prerequisite conditions. Supply run needs to be at game hours 7AM - 4PM. Also you can disable the firewood job. Also, Also, you can quick test supply run simply by starting the quest (after getting the initial FG). I think: 

StartQuest   pchsSupplyRunQuest

 

42 minutes ago, kapibar said:

As far as I can see it is not a quest issue, it's a dialogue issue. Also, it's minor but it's there, I don't get the door dialogue after being thrown out to do the first naked supply run, even in 10.0. It's probably unrelated and it's not questbreaking, but still.

The implementation of talking to invisible objects (talking activators) is a bit shit anyway. Talking to the door used to work... ok for me. But after some change it stopped working like it did before and I could never get it to work the same again. I don't know what it is. There's some fail safes built into the dialogue anyway because of this. 

 

What happens for me is

A) the dialogue is unskippable (this is 'normal' for talking activators)

B) the dialogue just gets stuck on the first line (not normal)

Edited August 15, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

5 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Since you're LE if you can get a save just before things go wrong I can take a look at it. But it'd need to be a very minimal load order.

It's doable, but would take a little prep time. So I think it would be more convenient to wait for 10.4 and see if the bug still stands. I'm not sure, but I think the problem was present in 10.1 as well, so it's very probable I'll inherit it in the future.
 

26 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Talking to the door used to work... ok for me. But after some change it stopped working like it did before and I could never get it to work the same again. I don't know what it is.

Same here. It was working, and then it just stopped. Well, Skyrim is Skyrim I suppose.

[tamai]

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

22 hours ago, tamai said:

well i did find out that setting set pchsfathersex to 0 does fix the sex with father thing on my current game

What was it set to before you changed it?

 

Also ill put it out there that I am also using SE

 

Sorry im not entirely sure how to get what it was set at?  since sqv pchsfathersex doesn't come back with anything ..but i got some stuff I dont even know if will help

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

1st picture: basically the breeder quest is on meaning sex with father should start i think so only time im able to have sex with him is during apology sex after i mess something up

 

2nd picture: is me waiting 24 hours and the only task that would normallyl show are supply run, tidy, firewood. However after watever happens food, water dont show up anymore and sex with father doesn't show up until i type int he set pchsfathersex to 0 in console.

 

3rd picture: So i got my supply run quest thing and it says its running which it does perfectly it just never advanced to being naked like it did before

Edited August 15, 2022 by tamai

[Monoman1]

15 minutes ago, tamai said:

not entirely sure how to get what it was set at? 

Help or Show

I prefer help as it can display multiple matches

[tamai]

2 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Help or Show

I prefer help as it can display multiple matches

 

 

there we go

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, tamai said:

 

 

there we go

So the relevant block of code has changed for me so it's hard to know. 

pchsFatherSex -2 = Starting value

pchsFatherSex -1 = Must mean something too but I can't figure it out right now

pchsFatherSex 0 = Father is tense

pchsFatherSex 1 = Father is satisfied. 

 

If father is satisfied then pchsFatherSexTimestamp is the decider of when to start the next demand for sex and set pchsFatherSex to 0

what is 'Help  GameDaysPassed' for the value above?

 

2 hours ago, tamai said:

1st picture: basically the breeder quest is on meaning sex with father should start i think so only time im able to have sex with him is during apology sex after i mess something up

Doesn't breeder only mean that he will always pick vaginal sex?

2 hours ago, tamai said:

2nd picture: is me waiting 24 hours and the only task that would normallyl show are supply run, tidy, firewood. However after watever happens food, water dont show up anymore and sex with father doesn't show up until i type int he set pchsfathersex to 0 in console.

Try 

Set  pchsFatherThirst  to  0

Set  pchsFatherHunger  to  0

Again there must have been some problem with the timestamp I guess.

2 hours ago, tamai said:

3rd picture: So i got my supply run quest thing and it says its running which it does perfectly it just never advanced to being naked like it did before

Naked supply run should fire if:

pchsSupplyRunProg.GetValue() == 0.0 && (pchsPcGaveBlowjob.GetValue() >= 1.0)

When the supply run quest is started (I think it's when father gives you the gold and tells you to get moving)

[tamai]

10 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

If father is satisfied then pchsFatherSexTimestamp is the decider of when to start the next demand for sex and set pchsFatherSex to 0

what is 'Help  GameDaysPassed' for the value above?

---

Try 

Set  pchsFatherThirst  to  0

Set  pchsFatherHunger  to  0

Again there must have been some problem with the timestamp I guess.

 

 

idk if this makes a difference however, i have my timescale set low.

 

 

yay that worked, it fixes the tasks for me

 

 

and this is the stage the quest is at when i take the gold for father when i accept the request, but yea ive done about 4-5 of these supplly quests just never gets to the naked supply quest.

 

 

[Monoman1]

13 minutes ago, tamai said:

this is the stage the quest is at when i take the gold for father when i accept the request, but yea ive done about 4-5 of these supplly quests just never gets to the naked supply ques

Check the variables above

Progress variable is the important one 

[tamai]

41 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Check the variables above

Progress variable is the important one 

 

I think this is it, taken right after i started the quest getting the gold

 

Spoiler

 

[Monoman1]

14 minutes ago, tamai said:

 

I think this is it, taken right after i started the quest getting the gold

No, that's a list of script properties. 

Do

help  pchsSupplyRunProg

help  pchsPcGaveBlowjob

 

They need to satisfy conditions:

pchsSupplyRunProg.GetValue() == 0.0 && (pchsPcGaveBlowjob.GetValue() >= 1.0)

at the start for the naked run to work. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Monoman1

[tamai]

23 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

No, that's a list of script properties. 

Do

help  pchsSupplyRunProg

help  pchsPcGaveBlowjob

 

 

Here we go, father never asked me for massages or blowjobs etc, before the breeder questline in this playthrough.

[Monoman1]

33 minutes ago, tamai said:

Here we go, father never asked me for massages or blowjobs etc, before the breeder questline in this playthrough.

Ok. But surely, eventually, after you've been made pregnant there will be a blowjob and it will start then, no? 

I think it's... fair enough and adds to randomness. 

 

Most blowjob scenes should increase pchsPCGaveBlowjob count. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Monoman1

[ck2modfan]

Is there a variable that controls when dirt (not BiS, room dirt that needs to be cleaned) triggers?

 

After a few days off, noticed that dirt does not trigger. Food, drink, etc... was ok.

[Monoman1]

47 minutes ago, ck2modfan said:

Is there a variable that controls when dirt (not BiS, room dirt that needs to be cleaned) triggers?

 

After a few days off, noticed that dirt does not trigger. Food, drink, etc... was ok.

Try setting pchsDirtTimer equal to GameDaysPassed and wait a few hours. 

[tamai]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Ok. But surely, eventually, after you've been made pregnant there will be a blowjob and it will start then, no? 

I think it's... fair enough and adds to randomness. 

 

Most blowjob scenes should increase pchsPCGaveBlowjob count. 

 

yea i like that, I just wasnt entirely sure if it was working correctly being that i just only recall how it worked previously and i remember the order. I just remember as soon as i invited mom back to the house that everything else sorta changed including the supply run quest. But it being more gradual i like

[tamai]

But yea im still in the process of doing a serious playthru with your mod installed so im taking my time with it is why its taken me a bit to even get to that point and why i bring up the food and water thing so much here lol

[Monoman1]

9 hours ago, tamai said:

 

yea i like that, I just wasnt entirely sure if it was working correctly being that i just only recall how it worked previously and i remember the order. I just remember as soon as i invited mom back to the house that everything else sorta changed including the supply run quest. But it being more gradual i like

Think I've changed my mind on this. Naked runs should start fairly early into depravity and depending on pregnancy settings it could take a long time.

So i'll add a check pchsPcGaveVaginal > 0

 

If you (or anyone) can determine steps to reproduce the food/drink/dirt tasks stopping it'd be the holy grail of bug reports. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Monoman1