Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[kapibar]

4 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Again. Not trying to be a dick but this doesn't sound like someone that's actually used 10.3 to me. 

 

I don't think you're being dick-ish. This dude is obviously concerned about using 10.3 and from my experience I cannot in clear conscience reassure him that everything will be fine and dandy. So I suggested a solution that allowed me to use 10.3 without any issues. I fail to see any harm in this advice, but if it grinds your gears - I'll refrain from giving it in the future. Hope we're cool.
 

 

15 minutes ago, tamai said:

-supply run never starts naked

-father never asks for sex (even though i get the breeder questline)

-and feeding food and water eventually stops working and he no longer is hungry or thirsty x_x

1) Yes.
2) It actually happened to me once.
3) This happened too, after going to Solitude.

[Monoman1]

19 hours ago, kapibar said:

but if it grinds your gears

It doesn't. I'm being pragmatic. I think this issue is SE only. 10.0 is not available for LE and nobody has asked for it. I don't use SE. Nor do I have the time to install it, set it up and test things for another platform (who'd the hell would have time to test things on 3 different platforms LE/SE/AE). So it's never going to be solved by me. It's going to be SE guys that come up with a fix most likely. 

 

It's highly unlikely the supply run quest will change in 10.4+ so crossing your fingers and closing your eyes ain't going to work long term. Yes, maybe some will have problems but I'm afraid that's simply a part of the unwritten contract between a user and author when you install a mod...

 

It'll never get fixed otherwise and like I said updating from 10.0 will not be an option going forward. 

 

I've no problem with the workaround being posted if requested. It just shouldn't be a first step IMO. 

15 hours ago, tamai said:

well i did find out that setting set pchsfathersex to 0 does fix the sex with father thing on my current game

What was it set to before you changed it?

[kapibar]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

It doesn't. I'm being pragmatic. I think this issue is SE only. 10.0 is not available for LE and nobody has asked for it.

It's not, I'm on LE. I wouldn't expect anyone asking for a re-upload of an older version considering not many people actually experience this bug, and some of those that do might as well not be aware of the proper way this quest should develop. I agree with you on principle that something should be done about it. My theory is that 10.3 has a dialogue priority problem - there are 2 forcegreets initiated at the same time (firewood and supply run), the firewood wins, but supply run is treated as initiated, so it will reapear as an active quest, but will not develop correctly. As you're aware I know next to shit about modding, so I cannot help you, but logic dictates you should first check for changes in how dialogues are started in 10.0 vs 10.3 because I know for a fact that 10.0 works properly in that regard.

The problem is as following:
the PC doesn't get the supply run dialogue -> supply run appears as an active quest after a few in-game days -> it doesn't progress to nudity and forward.

As far as I can see it is not a quest issue, it's a dialogue issue. Also, it's minor but it's there, I don't get the door dialogue after being thrown out to do the first naked supply run, even in 10.0. It's probably unrelated and it's not questbreaking, but still.

[Monoman1]

42 minutes ago, kapibar said:

It's not, I'm on LE.

Hmm I see. Was convinced you were SE. If so then it's got to be something specific to your set up I would think. 

42 minutes ago, kapibar said:

there are 2 forcegreets initiated at the same time (firewood and supply run),

They can't be. They're a part of the same dialogue block. Same as all the 'new' tasks that are added via FG. Unless I've broken skyrim (not beyond the realm of possibility). Any one of the dialogues on that block could have been said if the conditions are met. 

 

Since you're LE if you can get a save just before things go wrong I can take a look at it. But it'd need to be a very minimal load order. Probably tricky though because there's a large element of randomness. You can FORCE force greets via the debug menu and firewood and supply run are two tasks that don't really have any prerequisite conditions. Supply run needs to be at game hours 7AM - 4PM. Also you can disable the firewood job. Also, Also, you can quick test supply run simply by starting the quest (after getting the initial FG). I think: 

StartQuest   pchsSupplyRunQuest

 

42 minutes ago, kapibar said:

As far as I can see it is not a quest issue, it's a dialogue issue. Also, it's minor but it's there, I don't get the door dialogue after being thrown out to do the first naked supply run, even in 10.0. It's probably unrelated and it's not questbreaking, but still.

The implementation of talking to invisible objects (talking activators) is a bit shit anyway. Talking to the door used to work... ok for me. But after some change it stopped working like it did before and I could never get it to work the same again. I don't know what it is. There's some fail safes built into the dialogue anyway because of this. 

 

What happens for me is

A) the dialogue is unskippable (this is 'normal' for talking activators)

B) the dialogue just gets stuck on the first line (not normal)

Edited August 15, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

5 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Since you're LE if you can get a save just before things go wrong I can take a look at it. But it'd need to be a very minimal load order.

It's doable, but would take a little prep time. So I think it would be more convenient to wait for 10.4 and see if the bug still stands. I'm not sure, but I think the problem was present in 10.1 as well, so it's very probable I'll inherit it in the future.
 

26 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Talking to the door used to work... ok for me. But after some change it stopped working like it did before and I could never get it to work the same again. I don't know what it is.

Same here. It was working, and then it just stopped. Well, Skyrim is Skyrim I suppose.

[Monoman1]

15 minutes ago, tamai said:

not entirely sure how to get what it was set at? 

Help or Show

I prefer help as it can display multiple matches

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, tamai said:

 

 

there we go

So the relevant block of code has changed for me so it's hard to know. 

pchsFatherSex -2 = Starting value

pchsFatherSex -1 = Must mean something too but I can't figure it out right now

pchsFatherSex 0 = Father is tense

pchsFatherSex 1 = Father is satisfied. 

 

If father is satisfied then pchsFatherSexTimestamp is the decider of when to start the next demand for sex and set pchsFatherSex to 0

what is 'Help  GameDaysPassed' for the value above?

 

2 hours ago, tamai said:

1st picture: basically the breeder quest is on meaning sex with father should start i think so only time im able to have sex with him is during apology sex after i mess something up

Doesn't breeder only mean that he will always pick vaginal sex?

2 hours ago, tamai said:

2nd picture: is me waiting 24 hours and the only task that would normallyl show are supply run, tidy, firewood. However after watever happens food, water dont show up anymore and sex with father doesn't show up until i type int he set pchsfathersex to 0 in console.

Try 

Set  pchsFatherThirst  to  0

Set  pchsFatherHunger  to  0

Again there must have been some problem with the timestamp I guess.

2 hours ago, tamai said:

3rd picture: So i got my supply run quest thing and it says its running which it does perfectly it just never advanced to being naked like it did before

Naked supply run should fire if:

pchsSupplyRunProg.GetValue() == 0.0 && (pchsPcGaveBlowjob.GetValue() >= 1.0)

When the supply run quest is started (I think it's when father gives you the gold and tells you to get moving)

[Monoman1]

13 minutes ago, tamai said:

this is the stage the quest is at when i take the gold for father when i accept the request, but yea ive done about 4-5 of these supplly quests just never gets to the naked supply ques

Check the variables above

Progress variable is the important one 

[Monoman1]

14 minutes ago, tamai said:

 

I think this is it, taken right after i started the quest getting the gold

No, that's a list of script properties. 

Do

help  pchsSupplyRunProg

help  pchsPcGaveBlowjob

 

They need to satisfy conditions:

pchsSupplyRunProg.GetValue() == 0.0 && (pchsPcGaveBlowjob.GetValue() >= 1.0)

at the start for the naked run to work. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Monoman1

[Monoman1]

33 minutes ago, tamai said:

Here we go, father never asked me for massages or blowjobs etc, before the breeder questline in this playthrough.

Ok. But surely, eventually, after you've been made pregnant there will be a blowjob and it will start then, no? 

I think it's... fair enough and adds to randomness. 

 

Most blowjob scenes should increase pchsPCGaveBlowjob count. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Monoman1

[ck2modfan]

Is there a variable that controls when dirt (not BiS, room dirt that needs to be cleaned) triggers?

 

After a few days off, noticed that dirt does not trigger. Food, drink, etc... was ok.

[Monoman1]

47 minutes ago, ck2modfan said:

Is there a variable that controls when dirt (not BiS, room dirt that needs to be cleaned) triggers?

 

After a few days off, noticed that dirt does not trigger. Food, drink, etc... was ok.

Try setting pchsDirtTimer equal to GameDaysPassed and wait a few hours. 

[Monoman1]

9 hours ago, tamai said:

 

yea i like that, I just wasnt entirely sure if it was working correctly being that i just only recall how it worked previously and i remember the order. I just remember as soon as i invited mom back to the house that everything else sorta changed including the supply run quest. But it being more gradual i like

Think I've changed my mind on this. Naked runs should start fairly early into depravity and depending on pregnancy settings it could take a long time.

So i'll add a check pchsPcGaveVaginal > 0

 

If you (or anyone) can determine steps to reproduce the food/drink/dirt tasks stopping it'd be the holy grail of bug reports. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Monoman1

[divinefire]

On my games the food/drink/dirt bug can happen if I do the solitude quest and take the proper caravan back after the earring work, even the quest does not update correctly. I got around this by taking the other caravan in solitude paying the fee and the wartimers work like normal afterwards. I have better fast travel caravans and ships mod so I just figured thats why I bug out. Its been like this since very early in your work on this mod. I dunno if that helps since the timers work flawlessly on everything else and am not experiencing anything else above with the mod.

[Monoman1]

3 minutes ago, divinefire said:

On my games the food/drink/dirt bug can happen if I do the solitude quest and take the proper caravan back after the earring work, even the quest does not update correctly. I got around this by taking the other caravan in solitude paying the fee and the wartimers work like normal afterwards. I have better fast travel caravans and ships mod so I just figured thats why I bug out. Its been like this since very early in your work on this mod. I dunno if that helps since the timers work flawlessly on everything else and am not experiencing anything else above with the mod.

You mean it bugs out if you take the wagon provided by wartimes? 

 

That's weird. 

[kapibar]

19 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

You mean it bugs out if you take the wagon provided by wartimes? 

 

That's weird. 

I'm quite certain this bug is related to father's needs management. I experienced it ater going to Solitude, but I'm also quite certain the same thing happened after being kicked out and punished in the cellar. Correct me if I'm wrong, Mono, but all these events reset father's needs.

[Monoman1]

10 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I'm quite certain this bug is related to father's needs management. I experienced it ater going to Solitude, but I'm also quite certain the same thing happened after being kicked out and punished in the cellar. Correct me if I'm wrong, Mono, but all these events reset father's needs.

All father's needs/tasks are checked in one big lump every game hour. All needs are checked IF there are no 'blocking forms'. Any outside mod or internal script like getting thrown out or the trip to solitude can add blocking forms as a universal way to pause checks. 

 

Once all blocking forms are removed then his needs are reset. AFAIR this reset is done by setting all the timestamps and then running the main lump of checks. Perhaps there's some problem with the timestamps being set. But I still think there's another variable, like the amount of time that it was paused for or something because I'd bet my hat if I tested it now it'd work just peachy. 

[Monoman1]

Right so here's the relevant restart code for examination:

Function RestartTasks()
	Float Difference = Utility.GetCurrentGameTime() - StorageUtil.GetFloatValue(None, "pchsWtTasksSuspendTime")
	Float DifferenceInHours = Difference * 24.0
	StorageUtil.UnSetFloatValue(None, "pchsWtTasksSuspendTime")
	FatherHungerLastMeal.Mod(Difference)
	FatherThirstLastDrink.Mod(Difference)
	FatherSexTimestamp.Mod(Difference)
	pchsAldoSexTimestamp.Mod(Difference)
	dirtLastClean.Mod(Difference)
	motherHealthTimestampGlobal.Mod(Difference)
	pchsFatherMilkTimestamp.Mod(Difference)
	pchsFatherCumSlutTimestamp.Mod(Difference)
	FatherForcegreetGlobalTimestamp.Mod(Difference)
	If pchsHorseMilkDeadline.GetValue() != -1.0
		pchsHorseMilkDeadline.Mod(Difference)
	EndIf
	
	pchsFirewoodPileRef.AddItem(Firewood01, DifferenceInHours as Int) ; pchsFirewoodPileRef
	
	If (pchsSupplyRunNext.GetValue() + ((1.0 / 24.0) * 8.0)) - Utility.GetCurrentGameTime() <= 0.1667 ; Less than four hours remaining
		SupplyRun.SetupNextSupplyRun(1.0, false) ; Postpone to tomorrow
	EndIf
EndFunction

I always find timing things to be tricky. 

As far as I can tell, my intention here was simply to push back all timers by the amount of time that tasks were paused for. Seems logical enough.

[kapibar]

39 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I'd bet my hat if I tested it now it'd work just peachy. 

Yeah, I'm not taking that bet, I'm not that stupid ?. But in all seriousness, this bug is - at least in my case - random at best. It happened few times, but if I wanted to purposely make it happen, there's no chance in hell I would be able to. Pinpointing the exact scenario is tricky because of time difference between the quest/event start and father's next need.

[divinefire]

yeah its weird. I've never had it bug out on time off favor loss option though. I've had some pretty far playthrus on 10.3. Its like it gets stuck on time off but just doing the solitude quest for me.

[Royax]

When i choose the Option "About Mother" and then -> "I dont have the money to pay the Cure for Mother" without selling myself, it should start an Event in the "Mainroom" after sleeping.

I hear moans and a naked woman appears tied for one second before disappearing and never to be seen again. The Option "about mother" completely misses from the Father after that.

 

Any pointers how to proceed?

[kapibar]

53 minutes ago, Royax said:

When i choose the Option "About Mother" and then -> "I dont have the money to pay the Cure for Mother" without selling myself, it should start an Event in the "Mainroom" after sleeping.

I hear moans and a naked woman appears tied for one second before disappearing and never to be seen again. The Option "about mother" completely misses from the Father after that.

 

Any pointers how to proceed?

It happens. For whatever reasons mother goes back (to Dragonsreach I believe). The best workaround is to save before initiating the dialogue and simply reload until she walks into the cage as she should. People in this family are fucking weird.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Royax said:

Any pointers how to proceed?

Try just waiting 1 hour. Don't know why that happens. 

[Nohrin]

So I haven't gotten very far in this mod. Still doing chores for Father (stables, watchtower etc). I found Mother in Dragonsreach, and initiated dialogue with her. She brings up how she wasn't actually sick. At this point, I thought this was normal and the quest was just progressing. So I went through that dialogue, and headed home. When I got home, Father reveals his true self and rapes my PC. Afterwards, the only dialogue option I have is "Father?" Which then leads into a multi-choice dialogue. I have tried going through all the dialogues, but none of them progress anything. The quest seems to be stuck, as the only option I am given is talking to Father and repeating that same "Father?" dialogue with multi-choices that do not lead anywhere. 

 

I've tried waiting a couple days, but chores/tasks aren't showing up and everything (questwise) seems to be frozen in this state of limbo. 

 

Any suggestions on what I could do to progress it? Everything has been working up until now. 

[Nohrin]

1 hour ago, tamai said:

 

I am not entirely sure but, when you find mother in dragonsreach the only quest options up until that point are to be enslaved basically ending the father wartimes questline.. i think? because i believe other options arent as fleshed out and normally handed over over to Sanguines Debauchery mod.

best way to progress the quest ive found is to get 2000 gold, ask father if there is any other way you can pay for mothers treatments then he'll give you the dialogue to be an indentured servant, then at that point the quest progresses how it was intended.

 

EDIT: because i found mother once and i remember i was sent off to a shack and enslaved i believe and that is basically the end of it.

Spoiler

So basically I am entirely on the wrong questline? 

 

I was acting like a good daughter and everything. I was doing chores for him etc and being obedient. Never said the alternate responses (that are aggressive). 

 

After finding Mother in Dragonsreach, she told me to find Benjen. I defied Mother and said I would make Father pay. When I get back to the house, Mother is already there. I talk to Father and he tells me to kneel, and puts a collar on me, then rapes my character. Afterwards the only dialogue option is "Father?". There is no SD+ interaction going on either. I wasn't enslaved in SD+, but the quest log says "Enslaved by own father!"

 

If I truly did mess up the questline and got on a route that leads to an ending, then I am really disappointed. Is there anyway to fix this on my save file without reverting? I'd like to be on the main questline where all the content is.

 

Edit:

Before finding Mother in Dragonsreach, I had taken 7 days on "break". (Spent favor with Father in order to take 7 days off). Before the 7 (ingame) day break, the quest was progressing as normal. Slowly being told to do more and more tasks, and eventually massages. 

 

So somehow, after 7 days on break, it sent Mother to Dragonsreach and got me off the main questline. Perhaps if I never spoke to Mother in Dragonsreach in the first place, the quest wouldn't have switched from "Serve father" to "Find Benjen"? If I had of ignored Mother, and then went straight home after the 7 day break, Father would still be giving me chores like nothing went wrong? Trying to figure out exactly what got me off the main-quest and onto the route to the dead-end. 

 

Unfortunately, the last save I made before talking to Mother in Dragonsreach was from a couple (real life) days ago. So I would be losing a lot of progress on my character (almost everything I made during that 7 ingame break). That always feels bad, so I'd prefer to not have to revert saves if there is a way to fix this.

Final edit: You were absolutely correct. I just peaked at the flow-chart for the quest outcomes, and I somehow was on the route to getting enslaved by Father...but strangely the SD+ didn't go off. 

 

I decided to clean save my save file and start the quest from the beginning. Hopefully it won't destroy my save file. I don't mind losing my Wartimes quest progress. Beats losing 2-3 days worth of playtime on my character. Thank you for the help!

Edited August 18, 2022 by Nohrin