Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, GeorgiaCav said:

2. Step-father, per the PC's diary.

MM changed it, currently he's just father.

[Mushikisai]

9 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Early dance spectator test. You'll er... have to pretend the PC is dancing on her pole.

 

 

Can't wait for next update!

[Monoman1]

Any thoughts on a vanilla outfit that would make a good stripper outfit starting off? Can't really be barkeep or tavern clothes as they're already used. 

Or a mod outfit that's CBBE/UUNP/etc with good bodyslide that I'd have a decent chance of getting permissions for? Preferably one with multiple parts even. 

 

On 5/16/2022 at 7:52 PM, leakim said:

You mentioned that FM3 is "preferred" over BeeingFemale at some point I think. Could you expand on why?

 

IIRC I found it easier to pull better information from FM. 

+ I found on long games that BF was creating a lot of script instances when loading into an area. Though I doubt FM is innocent in that area either. 

9 hours ago, leakim said:

Small question for you Monoman1: How are you approaching this next update given the seemingly massive scale of things you have set in motion: Can we expect one big-bang update or do you intend to release these features you are showcasing/talking about incrementally?

If I can get to the point where I would be confident that the next update wouldn't require a new game then I could consider releasing something. Ideally with large parts of the beginnings/endings done and dusted. 

 

11 hours ago, audhol said:

Stages 1 to 4 for both girl and slut. Stage 1 is common to both. C prefix to texture is combined so CDaddyStage4Slut is stages 1 to 4 combined. S prefix means its just the one stage so SDaddyStage4Slut is only the stage 4 tat.

Thanks Who do people think would make a good Npc to get tats from? I was thinking maybe the face girl in riften sewers? Kinda dark down there to be doing tats... or changing your face I suppose...

Would prefer a non mod dependent Npc.

 

8 hours ago, GeorgiaCav said:

This is the part that I keep thinking about. Just going off and finding Mother in a random hold isn't how I RP my characters;

Finding Mother isn't meant to be easy. In the current setup you can go from losing mother to finding mother in about 2 mins flat. Which in turn (if you confront father) means you'll go from innocent daughter to full blown breeding slut in about 10mins? from the start of the mod. And it's even... weirder if you choose NOT to confront father and continue being his progressive slut now that you know where mother is...

 

Skyrim's not exactly massive and if you know where mother is you can get there with 1 day of free time. 9 holds. 8 when we exclude whiterun. The current proposal is also to reduce the cost to return her if you find her - buy her out of slavery instead of 'healing' her, so the benefit is fairly substantial. People are too fond of their map markers and gps pointers these days. If some letter were to mention 'sold to some fool jarl in the north/west/east I wouldn't mind so much. 

West - solitude/markarth/morthal/falkreath

North - solitude/morthal/dawnstart/winterhold

east - windhelm/riften/winterhold/(-1 you lucked out)

 

Or perhaps I should just try to place her randomly as a bandit's slave in a random cave somewhere...

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Monoman1

[audhol]

29 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Who do people think would make a good Npc to get tats from?

Just an idea, what if Daddy makes them give each other the tattoo's whilst he watches, could even be part of the party so his pals get to watch them do it too.

 

P.S. I think you gonna like stage 5?

Edited May 18, 2022 by audhol

[Monoman1]

Just now, audhol said:

P.S. I think you gonna like stage 5

Oh actually... Eh can I get 'girl' tats as separate tats from you rather than one combined tat. Would be best to keep the same convention for both sets. 

Tried doing it myself but for some reason it is doubling the size (MB) of them...

[Monoman1]

17 minutes ago, audhol said:

Just an idea, what if Daddy makes them give each other the tattoo's whilst he watches, could even be part of the party so his pals get to watch them do it too.

Hmm. Is that  a good idea? 

If the PC is upset with her tat then maybe she'd do something as revenge to her sister next time...

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Monoman1

[audhol]

25 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Oh actually... Eh can I get 'girl' tats as separate tats from you rather than one combined tat.

Yep no probs, will combine that with stage 5 update.

15 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

If the PC is upset with her tat then maybe she'd do something as revenge to her sister next time...

Maybee, but if daddys watching she might not dare, might be kinda humiliating knowing she has to give nice tats to her sister in the knowledge that sis is gonna give her a slutty one?

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Any thoughts on a vanilla outfit that would make a good stripper outfit starting off? Can't really be barkeep or tavern clothes as they're already used. 

Or a mod outfit that's CBBE/UUNP/etc with good bodyslide that I'd have a decent chance of getting permissions for? Preferably one with multiple parts even.

Cursed Loot has a few slooty outfits (usually its "college ...").

 

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

If I can get to the point where I would be confident that the next update wouldn't require a new game then I could consider releasing something. Ideally with large parts of the beginnings/endings done and dusted.

 

YES!

 

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Who do people think would make a good Npc to get tats from?

One of the YPS NPCs would be a good choice I think. I'm not sure if the vanilla NPCs should be involved. But if you want someone vanilla - Sybille Stentor maybe? Or Farengar. The dude is shady as fuck.

 

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Or perhaps I should just try to place her randomly as a bandit's slave in a random cave somewhere...

OK, but if the player decides to tell father to go fuck himself and go on a quest to find mother, there's still her health limit to be considered. 3 days is not enough time to level up and find her.

[Mushikisai]

47 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Any thoughts on a vanilla outfit that would make a good stripper outfit starting off? Can't really be barkeep or tavern clothes as they're already used. 

Or a mod outfit that's CBBE/UUNP/etc with good bodyslide that I'd have a decent chance of getting permissions for? Preferably one with multiple parts even. 

Maybe beggar clothes or fineclothes02partyoutfit or just set it customizable as well?

[audhol]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Or a mod outfit that's CBBE/UUNP/etc with good bodyslide that I'd have a decent chance of getting permissions for?

You can use my alicia mod if it suits, The textures are a bit modern maybe but I could always do some more lore friendly ones if you'd like.

 

Spoiler

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64596

 

[Monoman1]

46 minutes ago, audhol said:

Maybee, but if daddys watching she might not dare, might be kinda humiliating knowing she has to give nice tats to her sister in the knowledge that sis is gonna give her a slutty one?

True I suppose. 

28 minutes ago, kapibar said:

One of the YPS NPCs would be a good choice I think

Mmm, I would agree but I've got to accommodate people that don't want to run yps but want tats so it's got to be someone else. 

28 minutes ago, kapibar said:

YES!

Still a long way off!

28 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Cursed Loot has a few slooty outfits (usually its "college ...").

Getting permission for anything DCL may be... problematic.

25 minutes ago, dayangvvv said:

Maybe beggar clothes or fineclothes02partyoutfit or just set it customizable as well?

Oh yes. Most certainly customizable but like the outfit system I need something default on installation. 

7 minutes ago, audhol said:

You can use my alicia mod if it suits, The textures are a bit modern maybe but I could always do some more lore friendly ones if you'd like.

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https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64596

 

Blue fabric outfit looks like an interesting start. I could even add the other more revealing versions as progression...

Don't suppose there's an LE CBBE HDT version somewhere for stubborn old fuckers like me?

[audhol]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Don't suppose there's an LE CBBE HDT version somewhere for stubborn old fuckers like me?

the bhunp se can be converted through CAO straight to uunp le and the bs files work outdabox. The cbbe LE body aint quite the same as SE but I know how to backport from when I worked on TOyS so I'll do an LE HDT version. Be a good excuse so I can release on nexus after to get some more brownie points towards my premium membership!

You do know that SMP works on LE too right?

[Monoman1]

13 minutes ago, audhol said:

You do know that SMP works on LE too right?

Yup. I've never found an SMP config that worked well for me though - twitchy...

+ add in the complication of trying to run at > 60 fps and it's a bit of shit show. Personally I find the need for higher fps/less cpu usage/stability/fps of higher importance than collisions that I need NSA levels of 'zoom and enhance' to see...

That's just my 2c. 

[coffeeink]

Regarding Clothes:

 

The most "open" outfit in vanilla without any mods i think is the Foresworm Armor. >you could just copy that entry and replace the keyword to clothing. (i anyway think that most ppl will define their outfits => so atleast it's something defined capable ro tun on LE/SE UUNP, CBBE etc.)

 

Spoiler

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Forsworn_Armor

 

Btw are you planing to do something with the Furnitures?

I always felt somehow that in the old arragenment they are introduced this important and basically are not used (besides the small punishment)

 

Because you placed them all manually there is some possibility to use them right (but this is also a general issue of furnitures).

Whipping (also during party quest mabye) -> put in some whipping supported furnitures.

 

Father should also maybe be able to put some PAH Slaves for display for the party etc.

 

What could also be an idea is to replace some of them for DDC. Her you have at least some interactions.

For example as punishment put 1 outside and set Interactive to True and maybe a walking by NPC is using the oportunity.

 

Also what is also nice to use is maybe the furniture sex framework.

Edited May 18, 2022 by coffeeink

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Still a long way off!

NO!

 

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Getting permission for anything DCL may be... problematic.

Probably. So - like @dayangvvv suggested - customizable? Or something from urbannomadnome / NIND (jimmyyu) conversions? They cover UUNP and CBBE respectively.

[audhol]

Get Ya laughing gear round this double M one

 

Stage 5

 

Lillith

Spoiler

Daughter

Spoiler

 

[Monoman1]

32 minutes ago, coffeeink said:

The most "open" outfit in vanilla without any mods i think is the Foresworm Armor. >you could just copy that entry and replace the keyword to clothing. (i anyway think that most ppl will define their outfits => so atleast it's something defined capable ro tun on LE/SE UUNP, CBBE etc.)

Yea true. 

Ideally though I want outfits that have at least two halves - top and bottom. Even better if they have:

top

bottom

bra

panty

other ancillary items

 

My idea is parties will get progressively more demanding of your dancing. So first time up, you just need to dance for a bit

2. Dance and "Here, go put this on before you start" - Add outfit demand

 

3. 2 + now when you dance the crowd will eventually start saying comments like "Take it off", "Get your tits out", "Get on with it!". There's one space left in the wheel menu. I think I will make this a context sensitive button. So when you enter the dance pole you'll get a new option - 'Strip'. When you select this a random ancillary part of your outfit is selected, unequipped and fired at one of the crowd. The crowd cheers and is happy again. Failure to listen to the crowd queues and do as they demand = party satisfaction loss. 

 

4. Same as 3 + maybe this time they want you to at least take your top off. 

5. This time top and bottom

6. Top, bottom and bra

7 everything (except heels probably). 

 

So you see more parts = better/slower progression. 

32 minutes ago, coffeeink said:

Btw are you planing to do something with the Furnitures?

I've really only one plan for furniture. And it involves the PC, a pillory, your jail bedroom, your twin sister as a futa and a lot of aphrodisia potions...

11 minutes ago, audhol said:

Stage 5

Haha

You're not going to laugh at what I have to say though

You're going to have to do another one for Non futa sister

Edited May 18, 2022 by Monoman1

[audhol]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

My idea is parties will get progressively more demanding of your dancing.

That sounds good fun to play, O.K. I forgive you for making me do a non futa one too!

[GeorgiaCav]

5 hours ago, kapibar said:

MM changed it, currently he's just father.

 

Ah. Next update? In 10.3's diary, it still refers to PC being a "fatherless baby" and Father not having children of his own.

 

Kinky!

[GeorgiaCav]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Finding Mother isn't meant to be easy. In the current setup you can go from losing mother to finding mother in about 2 mins flat. Which in turn (if you confront father) means you'll go from innocent daughter to full blown breeding slut in about 10mins? from the start of the mod. And it's even... weirder if you choose NOT to confront father and continue being his progressive slut now that you know where mother is...

 

Skyrim's not exactly massive and if you know where mother is you can get there with 1 day of free time. 9

 

 

You could get a pointer to an NPC and arrive to find him killed by bandits who have taken Mother to a random camp. You'd still have to search and take your lumps either defeating bandits, sneaking successfully, or getting serially enslaved to the different camps. As long as there's a logical reason and kick in the pants for PC to go searching, I'm more than happy. Thanks again for all your work. Really looking forward to that spectator dance.

[Balgin]

3 hours ago, audhol said:

Just an idea, what if Daddy makes them give each other the tattoo's whilst he watches, could even be part of the party so his pals get to watch them do it too.

I'm not so keen on this idea purely because the daughters haven't had any practice or training so they probably won't be very good at creating tattoos. In Skyrim's society tattoos (as opposed to warpaint) should probably be performed by a sailor or priest (getting the priest to do it so that the power of the divine could prevent against an infection).

 

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Ideally though I want outfits that have at least two halves - top and bottom.

Bottom halves sometimes conflict with YPS hair and simply don't appear on the pc. I'm thinking Bikini bottoms, Senua's skirt & belt (but not her trousers) etc.

 

Also I've got to agree with Monoman on the "I'll mark it on your map" bane of rpg's. I know why it's done. It's done so they can do radial quests and not have to give accurate directions to a random location as opposed to a specific location but it still feels really lazy and renders the map useless to anyone who wants to use it later on.

Edited May 18, 2022 by Balgin

[jc321]

Is possible someone at the party could do the tattoos. Great addition having a priest attend one of those parties!  

 

Thing about the parties (as it currently stands) it's something I tend to avoid which you can easily do by not going to pick up the beer.

 

Having no option but to attend a party would be a better idea  

[Monoman1]

33 minutes ago, GeorgiaCav said:

 

Ah. Next update? In 10.3's diary, it still refers to PC being a "fatherless baby" and Father not having children of his own.

 

Kinky!

May as well go all in instead of beating around the bush. 

12 minutes ago, Balgin said:

Bottom halves sometimes conflict with YPS hair and simply don't appear on the pc. I'm thinking Bikini bottoms, Senua's skirt & belt (but not her trousers) etc.

Given that there really is no convention for armor and slots ill probably just have to query the player when an outfit is added. 

This part is:

Top

Bottom

Bra

Panty

Other

 

4 minutes ago, jc321 said:

Is possible someone at the party could do the tattoos. Great addition having a priest attend one of those parties!  

 

Thing about the parties (as it currently stands) it's something I tend to avoid which you can easily do by not going to pick up the beer.

 

Having no option but to attend a party would be a better idea  

Yes. I've tried to hook you with your own forge but how else? Maybe just on timer like everything else:

"Father looks bored. "

[kapibar]

29 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Yes. I've tried to hook you with your own forge but how else? Maybe just on timer like everything else:

"Father looks bored. "

The thing with the forge is that it's kinda pointless without access to smithing shit. And considering how much time father "eats" - it's kinda unusable anyway. And it always felt underwhelming - why this SoB suddenly gives you a smithy? Like there should be something more, like being forced to forge the devices he binds you with, or something like that. Forcegreet event would be superior solution, like he sends PC to Solitude. Party hard at least once a week, or the bitch gets the cane. Simple as that. I honestly think you're being too nice to players, dropping carrots here and there, when you shold be using a stick. And heavy one at that.

[jc321]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Yes. I've tried to hook you with your own forge but how else? Maybe just on timer like everything else:

"Father looks bored. "

Does Skyrim allow events based on days? - So you could host a party once a week, at a given time (no time limit for how long it goes on for) and maybe Father reminds you on the day (or day before) make sure you've bought x amount of beers/wine for the party and checks (in similar fashion to logs for the fire) if you actually did that prior to the party .. else it won't be a very good party ... for the PC at least. 

 

Afterthought - You drop the drinks into a container progressively over a week and at the party these get dished out .. And if you haven't bought enough for the party then you might not meet the demands for some of the guests if you didn't stock up enough .. Father/Sister could also hamper that by stealing bottles every now and again. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by jc321