Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[kapibar]

Just now, Monoman1 said:

Practically all my mods use overlays. I'm already in hell

Y'know. I think you made yourself at home in there ^^.

[lorddenorstrus]

Honestly not a huge fan of the tattoo design.  Sorry Audhol, i prefer simplistic tattoos no color just black.  Mm makes everything very modular though, so it won't be a problem.  Idea wise though I like the idea behind getting tattoos and all that.

[GeorgiaCav]

On 5/18/2022 at 8:14 PM, Joe_Oni said:

Still got the western watch no dialogue though

 

I don't think Gerald has a task-complete dialogue for sex, if that's what you're trying. He gives you money when the scene starts, and that completes the task.

 

For the cooking, you need to make sure you make the meat soup recipe, not any of the others you could do. There should be an option to make 10 at once. If you've got them, you will have something like "here's the soup rations" in your dialogues.

[Joe_Oni]

4 hours ago, GeorgiaCav said:

 

I don't think Gerald has a task-complete dialogue for sex, if that's what you're trying. He gives you money when the scene starts, and that completes the task.

 

For the cooking, you need to make sure you make the meat soup recipe, not any of the others you could do. There should be an option to make 10 at once. If you've got them, you will have something like "here's the soup rations" in your dialogues.

 

Found out I couldn't drop the patch into a already running game. I restarted and have only progressed the bartender dress and slave heels, But I've already seen some options I didn't see before, like with the old man so things are working as they should so far.

 

You might be right about the meat soup. If I think back on it, I might have done the first recipe and so 100% user error on the watch tower.

 

lol, I was just adjusting a couple of mod settings since I had to restart and had my pc dancing to lamb by garnidelia naked in slave heels while "father" was sleeping... only that damn dog knows...? 

 

 

 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I'm a big fan of the in-dialogue humiliation. The immersion into slavery mods is not only about how NPC see the PC, but also about how the player feels about the PC. My suggestion is following: at some point of PC's body modification, the father should further humiliate her by making her realize that her appearance has been altered to the point that she will never be a normal girl again. Everyone in the crowd will know what she really is, how she participated in acts of depravity. I believe it would be beneficial to the overall atmosphere of the mod if you include some verbal and psychological humiliation as well. As it is, the weight of events is heavily shifted towards sex, which is not exactly new and there are many other ways in which PC can be degraded.
 

For example one thing that is very rarely addressed is PC's sexual orientation. I like to play WT as a lesbian character (for obvious reasons) and this fact would be a nice entry point to a humiliating dialogue which would further emphasise the hopelessness of PC's position, how her will has no influence on the events to come.

So I think you should consider adding such elements into the gameplay. It would add some diversity to interactions with father. He could for example interrogate PC on her sexual experience. The answers could be speechcraft tests and if he doesn't like the answer - negative favour.

[Monoman1]

@audhol

I wouldn't worry too much. You're not going to be able to satisfy everyone. If someone wants to do up an alternate set then they are free to do so. I could even include them in the Fomod as an option if their willing. 

 

The main thing is probably that they follow the same theme: start out kind of sweet but then turn humiliating (kind of like piercings) . What direction that humiliation should take is up to them.

36 minutes ago, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 I'm a big fan of the in-dialogue humiliation. The immersion into slavery mods is not only about how NPC see the PC, but also about how the player feels about the PC. My suggestion is following: at some point of PC's body modification, the father should further humiliate her by making her realize that her appearance has been altered to the point that she will never be a normal girl again. Everyone in the crowd will know what she really is, how she participated in acts of depravity. I believe it would be beneficial to the overall atmosphere of the mod if you include some verbal and psychological humiliation as well. As it is, the weight of events is heavily shifted towards sex, which is not exactly new and there are many other ways in which PC can be degraded.
 

For example one thing that is very rarely addressed is PC's sexual orientation. I like to play WT as a lesbian character (for obvious reasons) and this fact would be a nice entry point to a humiliating dialogue which would further emphasise the hopelessness of PC's position, how her will has no influence on the events to come.

So I think you should consider adding such elements into the gameplay. It would add some diversity to interactions with father. He could for example interrogate PC on her sexual experience. The answers could be speechcraft tests and if he doesn't like the answer - negative favour.

Sure. I probably even prefer other forms of humiliation over sex scenes tbh. But you'll have to elaborate more. 

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Sure. I probably even prefer other forms of humiliation over sex scenes tbh. But you'll have to elaborate more. 

Forcegreet event where father asks (for example) if it arouses you to be his servant.

Answers:
Yes, father (truth)
Yes, father (lie)
No. I wish you die in fire, you disgusting pig.

First two answers would be speech tests of random difficulty. If you fail them - negative favour. Failed test could result in answers such as:
(truth) - no, no, no, my little daughterslut. You're not convincing enough.
(lie) - you're an awful liar, bitch. Be thankful I have other uses for this mouth of yours, or I'd sew up your lying lips shut.
I see you still have some spirit. Good. All the more satisfying when I finally make you accept your fate.

The same mechanic could be used for different questions: do you like to lick his cock? Do you feel happy he blessed you with his child? Do you like when he stuffs his dick up your asspipe... And so on.

As for the sexuality - this could be one of the first things he asks when the PC is already satisfying his needs. If the PC responds that she's a lesbian he could degrade her and say that je will beat this girl on girl nonsense out of her head witch his schlong. If she's a bi - he could tease what he has in store, like for example "then you'll love the things I have planned for you". If she's hetero - "that's how the gods intended. I'll see to it that all your needs are fulfilled".

As for the body modification dialogue - I see it as a forcegreet. Father would state something along those lines:

Look at you. Look at what you have become. Beaten, pierced, deformed, tailored to men's every desire. You barely even look like a human being anymore. Think you'll ever be normal again? No, my little daughterslut. You'll never hide the truth from anybody ever again. Do you see it, bitch? Do you see what kind of slut you have become? The slut you have always been"

Here - again - the dialogue could turn into a speechcradt test:
Yes, father. Thank you for turning me into what I am (truth)
Yes, father. Thank you for turning me into what I am (lie)
No. This is not who I am! I hate you!

...

At least this is the way I see it. Another humiliating events I have in mind - father could throw something and order the PC to shove it in one of her holes. She'd have to keep it inside until he allows her to take it out (improvised plugs; would require chastity check).
Father could dress PC up as a pony girl and order her to bring him some crops from Rorikstead. He runs farm, after all. And this would be a great advertisement.
Doing supply runs in a pet suit, when the PC is broken enough.

If I think of something else, I'll share my ideas.

Edited May 20, 2022 by kapibar

[kapibar]

Another idea: I always found it strange that the daughter serves father naked no problem. I know progressive slooty clothes were supposed to close the gap, but it's still awkward. So I have an idea for an event. Father requires PC to give him her clothes. Now. Refusal - negative favour. She can ask him to return the clothes on the next day. If she agrees - substantial favour boost. This could also lead to naked servitude. Instead of approaching PC, father could just refuse to give the clothes back: "no, slut. At this point I don't think you need clothes anymore. You'll remain naked from now on. Admit it, this is what you wanted anyway. Now get back to your duties".

Father could also forcefully strip the PC on inspection event. He would remove her clothes and drop them on the floor.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Forcegreet event where father asks (for example) if it arouses you to be his servant.

Answers:
Yes, father (truth)
Yes, father (lie)
No. I wish you die in fire, you disgusting pig

Why not just always pick 3? Why risk 1 or 2?

Also I'd imagine what is true and what is a lie to change slowly over time. Any time you have binary options like that it becomes weird when a switch happens. Similar to your problem with clothes. 

[jc321]

52 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Another idea: I always found it strange that the daughter serves father naked no problem. I know progressive slooty clothes were supposed to close the gap, but it's still awkward. So I have an idea for an event. Father requires PC to give him her clothes. Now. Refusal - negative favour. She can ask him to return the clothes on the next day. If she agrees - substantial favour boost. This could also lead to naked servitude. Instead of approaching PC, father could just refuse to give the clothes back: "no, slut. At this point I don't think you need clothes anymore. You'll remain naked from now on. Admit it, this is what you wanted anyway. Now get back to your duties".

Father could also forcefully strip the PC on inspection event. He would remove her clothes and drop them on the floor.

 

I do think the gap between wearing full clothes to being naked is pretty quick within a playthrough, so if there was an element of a downwards spiral (ie: Full to partial to none or Good quality clothes to poor to none) but I guess that would be dependant upon other clothing mods? - I do like the idea of the forced stripping mechanics .. and the potential for additional punishment if you continue to disobey orders

[Monoman1]

1 minute ago, jc321 said:

think the gap between wearing full clothes to being naked is pretty quick within a playthrough, so if there was an element of a downwards spiral (ie: Full to partial to none or Good quality clothes to poor to none)

This is already a thing via outfits...

[jc321]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

This is already a thing via outfits..

 

Aware of that but (unless things have changed in the last couple of iterations) it's the bit where you agree to be slave for father and then that's instant 'you must be naked' ... although I know he then adds conditions and things to wear. I guess I'm being too picky!

[Balgin]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

First two answers would be speech tests of random difficulty. If you fail them - negative favour.

If they're random difficulty then why are there two of them? Apart from the intent behind them. I'd like to see some difference between the two (such as the honest one being easier but it then making rebellion harder further down the line). They could be random with different parameters (such as the honest one being in the 30-70 range and the dishonest one being in the 50-90 range or something like that). But for them to both, essentially, be the same, robs them of agency and I'd like to see some significant difference between the two to justify their duplicate use.

[Desvati]

24 minutes ago, jc321 said:

 

Aware of that but (unless things have changed in the last couple of iterations) it's the bit where you agree to be slave for father and then that's instant 'you must be naked' ... although I know he then adds conditions and things to wear. I guess I'm being too picky!

The mod allows you to set it up such that you go through a progression of outfits, set by yourself, that can eventually lead to serving him naked.

[adle]

another suggestion.

maybe you remove arm wrist, leg wrist and father slave heels, or dont use them as mandatory.

because those block alot of outfits, like heels, gloves or kneesocks

[kapibar]

27 minutes ago, Balgin said:

If they're random difficulty then why are there two of them? Apart from the intent behind them. I'd like to see some difference between the two (such as the honest one being easier but it then making rebellion harder further down the line).

Well, rebellion is supposed to be harder. But the difference here is for the RP purposes. The player decides which answer is the honest one.

 

@Monoman1 substantial favour boost should do the trick. It's the exact same problem as with drunk event. Why play at all? For favours. And options (as said above) are for RP. Submissive, falsely submissive and openly rebelious.

[Monoman1]

3 minutes ago, adle said:

another suggestion.

maybe you remove arm wrist, leg wrist and father slave heels, or dont use them as mandatory.

because those block alot of outfits, like heels, gloves or kneesocks

I don't think there are any mandatory arm/leg restraints unless you're using devious devices and have set them as such in the mcm. 

 

I believe collar is exchangeable for any collar and any heels are exchangeable (even non restraint ones) for slave heels. 

35 minutes ago, jc321 said:

 

Aware of that but (unless things have changed in the last couple of iterations) it's the bit where you agree to be slave for father and then that's instant 'you must be naked' ... although I know he then adds conditions and things to wear. I guess I'm being too picky!

At what point is this? Slave wife? Perhaps a longer pregnancy period would help.

[Monoman1]

10 minutes ago, kapibar said:

substantial favour boost should do the trick.

Basically the same as drunk father then. Mmm I don't know that thats enough. I generally avoid drunk father (close dialog) = no risk unless I'm desperate for favour...

[Joe_Oni]

Has there been a request for [exit] option for the plugins?  I set "v" for the hotkey and seem to hit it by accident a lot and there only options to stick something up..(had me thinking of those hdt foxtail buttplugs or calpyso's hdt balls.

 

===about the game===

 

Funny thing happened, well sorta. I was doing the supply run, 60+ points up with dear old dad when I got attacked by some hired thugs. Well, "father" had beat the crap out of me (from an overlaping jobs) and I was suffering from the debuff. No real weapons, no armor, what to do....'call for help'...

 

The only ones that came to help were the dogs and one of them got killed for his trouble. I managed (with another hound) kill one of the thugs who got in a mutual KO on me. The Whiterun Guards decided to join in (hell, it was only them)  Eight assaults with "father's thristy", "father's hungry -" "father's pissed". flashing on the screen.

 

With it finally over, my pc starts heading back home and runs straight into another thug..  wood axe it is. Well, the Whiterun guards joined in again... Eleven assaults later "father" was mighty pissed. My pc is hobbling back and the thug tried to attack again. I 'd had enough so he got "console killed"  Never found the third thug so I don't know who sent them...

 

Anyway, get back, "Father" beats the crap out my pc and then after two forced handjobs, he beats the crap out her again.....arrange a party and he's still pissed, so much so he assaulted the pc in the middle of the party and then forced a handjob.     I'm thinking, ok, this is bad, let's appease the old shit...."Father's angry -14".  turns out SLSO is glitched out so everyone's blueballed.....

 

those falling numbers were something to see...

 

Just reinstalled SLSO and things look like it's working now though I need to test it more. Now "Father" seemed to have shot his load prematurely ?

 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Joe_Oni

[kapibar]

1 minute ago, Monoman1 said:

Basically the same as drunk father then. Mmm I don't know that thats enough. I generally avoid drunk father (close dialog) = no risk unless I'm desperate for favour...

Recently I played "virgin Mary" character - no sex, minimal submission. I noticed that there aren't all that many events reducing favours. This dialogue is designed as a trap. Refuse to play is - 10, rebelling also - 10. Submitting to test could be - 5 or +10, additionally levelling speechcraft. So it would be profitable. Not all players need a strong push. Sometimes diversity and roleplaying are rewarding enough.

[jc321]

38 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

At what point is this? Slave wife? Perhaps a longer pregnancy period would help.

 

The bit where you say I can't afford to pay for Mum is there anything else I can do .. Father then say's 'yes there is' knock on the head you wake up and Mum is back (in cage) and you speak to Father who say's you need to start serving me and you get a dialogue box saying you must be naked wear high heels. - So it's going from the previous state of wearing normal attire, to potentially then barmaid outfit and then straight to nothing (if choosing that route) - So it was really (my thinking at least) a slightly slower route to lose all clothes. Ie:- When you start servitude you are not immediately naked Day following prompt - It could be simply after a day and Father chooses you deny you clothes. - Maybe (just writing this) it's the dialogue box prompt I disliked as it kind of pops up with a set of strict conditions (ie you must be naked and serve in heels) that would probably have better come from Father either a few hours from starting servitude or from one of his daily checkups with you. 

 

However I haven't used the outfits option and I haven't played the last couple of iterations so sounds like things might have changed since then. 

[Monoman1]

43 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Recently I played "virgin Mary" character - no sex, minimal submission. I noticed that there aren't all that many events reducing favours. This dialogue is designed as a trap. Refuse to play is - 10, rebelling also - 10. Submitting to test could be - 5 or +10, additionally levelling speechcraft. So it would be profitable. Not all players need a strong push. Sometimes diversity and roleplaying are rewarding enough.

Hmm. I dunno. Losing favour to random number generation could be super frustrating. I know its probably meant to be.

 

If favor loss us the goal then I think id prefer father to set next to impossible tasks for you to fail. 

"Here, take this dagger. I want you to go clear out embershard mine"

Or "here's 5 bottles of horse cum. I want you to drink them all down without barfing"

[Monoman1]

21 minutes ago, jc321 said:

 

The bit where you say I can't afford to pay for Mum is there anything else I can do .. Father then say's 'yes there is' knock on the head you wake up and Mum is back (in cage) and you speak to Father who say's you need to start serving me and you get a dialogue box saying you must be naked wear high heels. - So it's going from the previous state of wearing normal attire, to potentially then barmaid outfit and then straight to nothing (if choosing that route) - So it was really (my thinking at least) a slightly slower route to lose all clothes. Ie:- When you start servitude you are not immediately naked Day following prompt - It could be simply after a day and Father chooses you deny you clothes. - Maybe (just writing this) it's the dialogue box prompt I disliked as it kind of pops up with a set of strict conditions (ie you must be naked and serve in heels) that would probably have better come from Father either a few hours from starting servitude or from one of his daily checkups with you. 

 

However I haven't used the outfits option and I haven't played the last couple of iterations so sounds like things might have changed since then. 

Well you've failed. So there has to be some consequnce...

Plus doesn't that lead to the SD exit?

Edited May 20, 2022 by Monoman1

[jc321]

6 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Well you've failed. So there has to be some consequnce...

Plus doesn't that lead to the SD exit?

 

Hmmm. Maybe I had a fubar build then. Scenarios I have played are:- 

 

1. Be sarcastic and you'll end up in cellar and then SD exit .. although as mentioned there is partial WT dialogue which could evolve.

2. Whilst Mum is away .. you go on path of downwards spiral pleasing father  --- But never seen Mum come back and if I paid the money for the bills .. game over.

3. You have an option to say I can't afford money is there another way? - which (described above) Mum is back (in cage) and then you begin servitude and plays out like scenario 2 apart from you've gone straight to being naked and wearing heels. 

 

And on scenario 3. (which was the most common one I played)

 

If Mum dies and you're not pregnant - Game over

If mum dies and you are pregnant and/or have had kid you continue .. but always seemed a little broken as father assumed mother was still alive .. I just put that down to minor buggettes. 

 

I have completely wiped my installation and moved to Vortex but I'm hesitant to start another playthrough until this new release comes out (yes I know might be a while!) 

 

 

[Balgin]

24 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmm. I dunno. Losing favour to random number generation could be super frustrating. I know its probably meant to be.

 

If favor loss us the goal then I think id prefer father to set next to impossible tasks for you to fail. 

"Here, take this dagger. I want you to go clear out embershard mine"

Or "here's 5 bottles of horse cum. I want you to drink them all down without barfing"

Speaking of next to impossible tasks.... did you disable the Amren Family Sword quest? it seems to be unavailable with this mod running. I was looking forwards to seeing how hopelessly difficult it would be (something to give our girl the impression that she'd better just go home to her father and give up on any idea of being competent).