Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Mushikisai]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

I had an idea last night for the whole mother thing. At the start Father makes the veiled threat "ill be your sole guardian if your mother dies" blah blah. 

If/when mother dies then any event that creates an apology event takes away some of the freedoms you've been afforded up to then:

- The door is unlocked later in the day and locked earlier at night

- Father will no longer buy licences for you

- not allowed to take time off

- Add 100 debt per day

- player storage is locked

- player weapons taken

- player armor taken

- fitted with a collar that allows you x distance from home.

- not allowed to carry gold

 

Dunno if they should have an order or be random. 

 

Maybe you can use massive amounts of favour to regain them ~50 favour

 

Maybe even consider adding pc to the slaverun's slave as father's private slave?(if avaliable)

Also, how about the idea of the father forcing PC to go out into prostitution to make more money for him?

There are some more easily options, forcing PC to wear arm restraints when she is not serving father?

[kapibar]

2 minutes ago, dayangvvv said:

Maybe even consider adding pc to the slaverun's slave as father's private slave?(if avaliable)

Honestly, recommending Slaverun which is barely functional at this point and no longer supported is ill advised.

 

3 minutes ago, dayangvvv said:

There are some more easily options, forcing PC to wear arm restraints when she is not serving father?

The only problem is PC is in servitude mode for more than 12h/day and night bondage is already covered.

[audhol]

Ideas About Mother (warning overly complicated thoughts ahead)

 

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Why does father send mother away if his ultimate goal is to force daughter to voluntarily become his breeding mare? Surely just leaving her in a coma and have daughter keeping her drugged by fetching the herbs every couple of days would be easier and daughter would be more compliant seeing her mother before her eyes all the time.

 

What if when mother and daughter have the conversation about daughter working mother gives her her old chastity belt telling her it will keep her pure untill she meets the man she wants to mary.

 

"Don't tell your father, he hates this belt"

"Your grandmother would'nt release me from it untill I was married to your father, only the daughters guardian can unlock it"

"I think your father would have killed her if he had'nt known about the curse that if the guardian is murdered it can never be unlocked"

 

So the daughter equips the belt and wartimes plays out as before up till the point of either the first naked supply run or first stripped tension (not massage) whereupon father sees that the player has the belt on.

He knows he can't remove the belt if mother doesn't agree to unlock it

He knows he can't kill mother or it will never come off

He knows if mother dies through lack of care he becomes the guardian and have acces to the key because it would be daughters fault

 

This gives the player another reason to keep mother alive otherwise she becomes the breeding mare

It explains why father is'nt keen to help pay for mothers care

It explains why father "tortures" mother by keeping her in the cage and only servicing him and the mutt

If father refuses to sell the daughter the healing soup it would be considered murder

So breeding quest would'nt start when mother comes back caged but it could open up other possibilities of father forcing daughter and mother to try to get the key

It would have to be an open belt to enable slutiness to advance but the orgasm quest would have to be suspended whilst the daughter is belted (can a pc orgasm in SSO if belted?)

Perhaps an extra line of dialogue with mother like  "Mother we can't continue like this, unlock me please" to start the breeding mare quest at the point that it does now?

 

 

 

[kapibar]

14 minutes ago, audhol said:

Ideas About Mother (warning overly complicated thoughts ahead)

I like the first idea. Father could later use this to guilt trip PC - she was poisoning mother all along, so if she doesn't comply, father could tell the authorities. Also could insult the PC for being a gullible, brainless moron who needs superior mind giving her direction.

[jc321]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

The door is unlocked later in the day and locked earlier at night

- Father will no longer buy licences for you

- not allowed to take time off

- Add 100 debt per day

- player storage is locked

- player weapons taken

- player armor taken

- fitted with a collar that allows you x distance from home.

- not allowed to carry gold

 

- Optional sadistic mode in MCM that father punishes player if they use additem f xxxxx .. 

I like the collar idea 

 

 

[audhol]

Spoiler

FSDaddyStageWhateverSlut.dds

[Balgin]

1 hour ago, audhol said:

 

 

Trust Kenneth Williams to post a Barbara Windsor reference :).

[kapibar]

@Balgin have you tested my solution for the Amren's sword quest?

[Balgin]

3 minutes ago, kapibar said:

@Balgin have you tested my solution for the Amren's sword quest?

Not yet. It's an early game quest that's entirely optional and it's main purpose is often as an excuse to go and look for the Transmute spellbook.

[kapibar]

9 minutes ago, Balgin said:

Not yet. It's an early game quest that's entirely optional and it's main purpose is often as an excuse to go and look for the Transmute spellbook.

Sure, but if you ever get to it - give me feedback if it worked for you (I know it did for me).

[leakim]

22 hours ago, leakim said:

 

So I believe there are two different places in the story where such leverage needs to be exerted, before and after mother's return?

• After mother's return:
  • Given that mother is literally sitting helpless and limbless in a cage, I do not think that direct threats of violence against mother should be out of the question. Such threats could be presented:
    • During favor loss/apologies
    • During "standard" punishments
    • During force greets - perhaps random replacements to the otherwise boring "I need to check up on you" dialog
  • There could be consequences for duty failure. You already implemented various punishments such as beatings, etc. and indeed also a more "endgame"-like punishment such as being thrown out. Perhaps a different punishment could be father physically harming mother instead of you being thrown out when favor drops too low. Happen too many times? Well, he could kill her. Still low favor? Well at this point he could throw you out. This also plays well "gameplay"-wise because then getting mother back would effectively protect you from getting immediately thrown out because he would instead punish mother.
  • Also, I will just re-iterate something I said earlier: I do not believe mother should actually be cured when paying father for the the 10000 septims cure. It could be a "trap" instead, but a trap that is required for you to get the best possible ending (getting rid of father without bounty in every hold). This also makes it so you do not need to consider what should happen once mother is cured, which I think is hard leap logically. For example the idea to get rid of father could come from mother, but first after you've "paid for her cure".
• Before mother's return:
  • Frankly, it's very hard to think of something for this because it very quickly becomes non-tangible when mother is not present. I would see if I could get her returned to the home as a more natural part of the story instead of by paying a big amount. For example it could happen based on your depravity/submission (logically this could be because father think he has broken you enough to not rebel, so it is "safe" to return her).
  • This would also add an interesting gameplay-point: If you act in a way to keep your submission/depravity very low for a long time, it becomes almost impossible to pay for mother's expenses (because the cost increases with time), leading her to die, which means you are naturally lead to acting depravated if you want to see mother's return.
  • This would also present a more natural way of explaining why she is suddenly limbless. Previously you just paid 2000 septims, and yet she returns completely helpless. Why? Perhaps mother's return could instead be explained as her treatment failed and now father needs much more gold (10000) in order to send her to the best treatment center in Cyrodill.
    • But this is a trap. Father has no intention of curing mother when he receive those 10000 septims from the PC. Instead he uses those money for himself/his house, turning it into a "sex dungeon" for the player (or maybe he spends it differently, who knows?). But, after this has happend it will be possible through dialog with the mother to get a plan to kill/get rid of father without getting a bounty in every hold, which would be the only "GOOD END".
  • Perhaps using this idea would mean you would have to get rid of the "instant-breeder" feature that is performed upon mother's return, since it might happen earlier in the mod. This could instead happen if mother dies (either by you not paying initially before her return or by father killing her). It could also happen as one of the "random" punishment that could happen if mother dies in the idea you just presented above (and I will quote below this section).

 

 

Maybe it is pretty dark that there would be no way to cure mother. Maybe curing mother could be added as an "epilogue" type quest after achieving the "GOOD END", where father is gone and mother is alive, but limbless. Perhaps Farengar could help with that? I heard he has past dealings with amputations and even restoring limbs. This way you do not need to consider all the consequences "curing mother" would have for the story. Frankly it is difficult to think of good story points for this, because it simply does not make much sense.

 

But I really do not like the idea of father helping to cure mother. He would never do that. Father obviously poisoned her, didn't he? Perhaps he is simply keeping her locked away in the cellar of the house, a place the player can't possibly get to? This way you do not have to deal with the player "potentially" finding her in some random hold and the consequences this would have for the story with various story "off-shoots" that you would have to deal with as well. I'd see if I could keep the story a bit more linear in terms of the "grand plot". I know this might sound boring to "open-world enthusiasts", but I think this would work well for this mod.

Edited May 22, 2022 by leakim

[Dreamer1986]

Eventually, it would be interesting if there would be a somewhat hard to get fairy tale ending, with mother alive and healthy, sister okay as well, and father getting a change of heart, figuring out that he actually loves his family in his twisted way, and wants to maintain a relationship with all, a somewhat peaceful harem, with everyone accepting that this is just how he is, and that he means only for everyone to accept their twisted side as well and have fun. 

[audhol]

Think this is final version and finished for the Lillith sister tats, still working on daughter ones.

 

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[Balgin]

1 hour ago, audhol said:

Think this is final version and finished for the Lillith sister tats, still working on daughter ones.

 

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Looking very nice there although I suspect that some of the detail of the pubic tattoo would be lost if she gained the optional penis model that might be attached to her at some point in the future if Monoman goes through with that particular plan.

[audhol]

1 hour ago, Balgin said:

Looking very nice there although I suspect that some of the detail of the pubic tattoo would be lost if she gained the optional penis model that might be attached to her at some point in the future if Monoman goes through with that particular plan.

Thats a very good point I had'nt thought of. I will have to do an alternate version for futa of that tat too.

[kapibar]

Speaking of which... does any one of you have any idea how to make this whole futa thing painless and robust? So far we're acting like it's a done deal, but it is a rather big complication.

[audhol]

39 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Speaking of which... does any one of you have any idea how to make this whole futa thing painless and robust? So far we're acting like it's a done deal, but it is a rather big complication.

Not really an expert but I think mm1  can make a custom npc using packaged body and skin so theres no joints. User would just need Schlongs and aroused. LIke this mod

Or do you mean to give your P.C. a wanger?

Edited May 22, 2022 by audhol

[Monoman1]

I'm hoping:

Pull a list of schongs from SoS

Drop down box: select schlong

Become futa? Apply selected schlong...

Simples! (Yea right)

 

Schlong will have to fit the player (because you're twins and because likely any other version of sis will use the base fem body). 

 

But I think @kapibar meant story wise...

[kapibar]

31 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

But I think @kapibar meant story wise...

No, I was actually thinking about the technical aspect. In my experience the gap between pubic thigh and schlong is a fundamental problem. I think few things are to be considered:
Will sister's body be carbon copy of PC's body, or standard body of the same weight? (PC's body can be modified in racemenu)
If it's the former - it would be somewhat simpler if player customizes PC's pubic thigh to match the schlong. If sister body is generic - it might be a problem.
Also I use Isharas's Custom Player Body for custom textures. Do we know if cloning is compatible with this mod?

EFF Cosmetic Menu adds a spell that allows player to customize NPC bodies. However despite my best efforts I never figured out how to make futa work (if I recall correctly, the schlong's base was moving in relation to the shape of pubic thigh).

All in all, I can't say I share your optimism, Mono. I don't think it will be all that simple and cosmetic problems are pretty much guaranteed. That's why I think we should brainstorm on a robust solution (schlong) that actually works for UUNP/CBBE bodies.

Storywise it's basic. When the futa aspect is launched, father is pretty much established as the worst human being ever. He just sends sister to see a doctor (because she mysteriously fainted, that's something new). When she's back, he closes both her and the PC in the basement. Obviously it turns into a rape-fest with an aroused futanari. And bang, story done.

Edited May 22, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

12 minutes ago, kapibar said:

No, I was actually thinking about the technical aspect. In my experience the gap between pubic thigh and schlong is a fundamental problem. I think few things are to be considered:
Will sister's body be carbon copy of PC's body, or standard body of the same weight? (PC's body can be modified in racemenu)
If it's the former - it would be somewhat simpler if player customizes PC's pubic thigh to match the schlong. If sister body is generic - it might be a problem.
Also I use Isharas's Custom Player Body for custom textures. Do we know if cloning is compatible with this mod?

EFF Cosmetic Menu adds a spell that allows player to customize NPC bodies. However despite my best efforts I never figured out how to make futa work (if I recall correctly, the schlong's base was moving in relation to the shape of pubic thigh).

All in all, I can't say I share your optimism, Mono. I don't think it will be all that simple and cosmetic problems are pretty much guaranteed. That's why I think we should brainstorm on a robust solution (schlong) that actually works for UUNP/CBBE bodies.

Is this a... er minor... clipping issue? 

If so I'm not all that bothered tbh

The beauty in what I propose is that I don't have to worry about it

The onus is on the user to come up with a schlong that works. I've enough to be doing ?

 

+ forcing a user into a body type and preset will be disastrous 

"I don't like her skin"

"Her tits are too small"

"Her clothes change size!"

Nope not getting involved in that shit show 

Edited May 22, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Is this a... er minor... clipping issue?

It's a rather significant gap between pubic thigh and schlong's base. Basically it looks like a cock levitating in front of the body instead of being part of it. I wouldn't call this "a minor clipping issue". There's also a problem of matching textures which will be a hell to address. When I first installed it, futa cock looked awfully artificial and out of place. With some texture matching it didn't look so dramatic (still crappy though). But the gap was the thing that defeated me. The overall effect looked nothing like male schlongs and it definitely broke the immersion. The female body is much more sleek and such issues are painful to watch.

[Monoman1]

1 minute ago, kapibar said:

It's a rather significant gap between pubic thigh and schlong's base. Basically it looks like a cock levitating in front of the body instead of being part of it. I wouldn't call this "a minor clipping issue". There's also a problem of matching textures which will be a hell to address. When I first installed it, futa cock looked awfully artificial and out of place. With some texture matching it didn't look so dramatic (still crappy though). But the gap was the thing that defeated me. The overall effect looked nothing like male schlongs and it definitely broke the immersion. The female body is much more sleek and such issues are painful to watch.

Bodyslide?

[kapibar]

14 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Bodyslide?

Hard to tell if this would solve the issue. But this is exactly why I wasn't all that invested in futa - it's ridiculously hard to get it right. Even if bodyslide is the answer, it would require some sculpting.

[audhol]

@kapibar has a point that not all schlongs work out the box with all skin textures. Here you can see the difference between sos futanari and erf horse penis both on a fresh install and bodyslided also using a not very common skin texture.

 

I find the second one more than acceptable with zero modifications from me.

Spoiler

 

[kapibar]

1 minute ago, audhol said:

I find the second one more than acceptable with zero modifications from me.

Yeah, the first image shows more or less the same issue I encountered. I don't believe this qualifies as a "minor issue".

Maybe the best solution would be to create some kind of tutorial with "preferred schlong for a body type" list.