Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Karkhel]

6 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

You shouldn't install it over a save running the old version. Needs a new game. 

Not finished with the endings at all. Not even started.

Well there's already the debt system so the hardest part is figuring out when/how many kids you have. 

If it's only number of kids and their race then fertility mode tracks at least the number, and uses race to determine race of the baby but no clue if that's helpful at all, if it stores that info anywhere for you to use.

[audhol]

@Monoman1 do you prefer this to the previous version? 

 

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[Mushikisai]

13 minutes ago, audhol said:

@Monoman1 do you prefer this to the previous version? 

 

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Personally, I may prefer this version

[audhol]

7 minutes ago, dayangvvv said:

Personally, I may prefer this version

Yeah me too seems more integrated and less like just a collection of images.

[kapibar]

@audhol aside from my opinion on the aesthetic, there's one thing I think might require some tweaking. When tats are applied via ST they look very... unnatural. Like the ones you can find in bubblegum for kids - vibrant colors and vivid contrasts. It's not as noticeable with all black textures, but full color, with your ENB emphasising the issue, it really does look more like a sticker than an actual tattoo. I'd suggest adding at least some transparency (25%?), otherwise I fear it might contrast too much with overall aesthetic of the game and gloomy atmosphere of the mod itself. Transparency would add some wear'n'tear feeling. And yeah, I know FadeTattoos exists, but it's an extra esp in the load order.

Another thing that concerns me is the potential conflict between SLS bruising and the quantity of layers you're planning to implement. I have a rather large number of overlay slots and just today had to reset SLS's bruising for the stockings to be applied. Considering that WT makes PC bruised practically all the time, plus YPS piercings (3 slots, 1 at best), plus stockings... I don't think all that many players have so many layers at their disposal.

[audhol]

14 minutes ago, kapibar said:

there's one thing I think might require some tweaking

Yeah I think once the designs are finalised there is definately some tweaking regarding saturation and brightness. Its more that than the transparency. I'm supplying the tats to double M one as both seperate and combined so in effect even at stage 7 that only equals 1 tattoo. I believe mono asked for seperate tats primarilary because of concerns from you and others about not liking certain images so that the user add some choice over what images they wanted to see.

[kapibar]

1 minute ago, audhol said:

Yeah I think once the designs are finalised there is definately some tweaking regarding saturation and brightness.

Maybe going black with dotted halftone would be the most reasonable solution. Even if you tone down the saturation, the skin color on the image will still contrast with skin texture. So anyway you'll have to add some transparency, preferably to everything beside contours.

[Monoman1]

29 minutes ago, audhol said:

Yeah me too seems more integrated and less like just a collection of images.

Yea I think it's better. 

22 minutes ago, kapibar said:

aside from my opinion on the aesthetic, there's one thing I think might require some tweaking. When tats are applied via ST they look very... unnatural. Like the ones you can find in bubblegum for kids - vibrant colors and vivid contrasts. It's not as noticeable with all black textures, but full color, with your ENB emphasising the issue, it really does look more like a sticker than an actual tattoo. I'd suggest adding at least some transparency (25%?), otherwise I fear it might contrast too much with overall aesthetic of the game and gloomy atmosphere of the mod itself. Transparency would add some wear'n'tear feeling. And yeah, I know FadeTattoos exists, but it's an extra esp in the load order.

Transparency will likely be handled by WTs itself. 

 

As for the images... @audhol maybe applying some er... what's the word... rasterization ? to give it a more grainy surface look might help ?

Pulling words out of my ass now. You probably know what I'm talking about. I fear though the images may be too small and overlay resolution too low for it to work well.

 

23 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Another thing that concerns me is the potential conflict between SLS bruising and the quantity of layers you're planning to implement. I have a rather large number of overlay slots and just today had to reset SLS's bruising for the stockings to be applied. Considering that WT makes PC bruised practically all the time, plus YPS piercings (3 slots, 1 at best), plus stockings... I don't think all that many players have so many layers at their disposal.

Layers are something you're just going to have to manage yourself. Don't want to add more slots? Then you're just going to have to either turn things down or off completely. 

I've been running something like 30+ slots for some time now...

 

[kapibar]

9 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

As for the images... @audhol maybe applying some er... what's the word... rasterization ?

The word you're looking for is "dirt". Rasterization is actually converting shapes into raster (image with finite grid) ☺️.

And if @audhol is using photoshop, the process is actually very simple and might be worth a try.

 

  

6 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Layers are something you're just going to have to manage yourself.

 

Oh, I'm not worried about myself. I'm good with overlay slots. But this just increases the list of shit you'll have to troubleshoot in the future. So if you want to go with it - for your own sake, better write a manual on how to proceed with this mod, otherwise you'll end in an endless hell of repeating questions.

Edited May 19, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

7 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Oh, I'm not worried about myself. I'm good with overlay slots. But this just increases the list of shit you'll have to troubleshoot in the future. So if you want to go with it - for your own sake, better write a manual on how to proceed with this mod, otherwise you'll end in an endless hell of repeating questions.

Practically all my mods use overlays. I'm already in hell

[kapibar]

Just now, Monoman1 said:

Practically all my mods use overlays. I'm already in hell

Y'know. I think you made yourself at home in there ^^.

[lorddenorstrus]

Honestly not a huge fan of the tattoo design.  Sorry Audhol, i prefer simplistic tattoos no color just black.  Mm makes everything very modular though, so it won't be a problem.  Idea wise though I like the idea behind getting tattoos and all that.

[GeorgiaCav]

On 5/18/2022 at 8:14 PM, Joe_Oni said:

Still got the western watch no dialogue though

 

I don't think Gerald has a task-complete dialogue for sex, if that's what you're trying. He gives you money when the scene starts, and that completes the task.

 

For the cooking, you need to make sure you make the meat soup recipe, not any of the others you could do. There should be an option to make 10 at once. If you've got them, you will have something like "here's the soup rations" in your dialogues.

[Joe_Oni]

4 hours ago, GeorgiaCav said:

 

I don't think Gerald has a task-complete dialogue for sex, if that's what you're trying. He gives you money when the scene starts, and that completes the task.

 

For the cooking, you need to make sure you make the meat soup recipe, not any of the others you could do. There should be an option to make 10 at once. If you've got them, you will have something like "here's the soup rations" in your dialogues.

 

Found out I couldn't drop the patch into a already running game. I restarted and have only progressed the bartender dress and slave heels, But I've already seen some options I didn't see before, like with the old man so things are working as they should so far.

 

You might be right about the meat soup. If I think back on it, I might have done the first recipe and so 100% user error on the watch tower.

 

lol, I was just adjusting a couple of mod settings since I had to restart and had my pc dancing to lamb by garnidelia naked in slave heels while "father" was sleeping... only that damn dog knows...? 

 

 

 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I'm a big fan of the in-dialogue humiliation. The immersion into slavery mods is not only about how NPC see the PC, but also about how the player feels about the PC. My suggestion is following: at some point of PC's body modification, the father should further humiliate her by making her realize that her appearance has been altered to the point that she will never be a normal girl again. Everyone in the crowd will know what she really is, how she participated in acts of depravity. I believe it would be beneficial to the overall atmosphere of the mod if you include some verbal and psychological humiliation as well. As it is, the weight of events is heavily shifted towards sex, which is not exactly new and there are many other ways in which PC can be degraded.
 

For example one thing that is very rarely addressed is PC's sexual orientation. I like to play WT as a lesbian character (for obvious reasons) and this fact would be a nice entry point to a humiliating dialogue which would further emphasise the hopelessness of PC's position, how her will has no influence on the events to come.

So I think you should consider adding such elements into the gameplay. It would add some diversity to interactions with father. He could for example interrogate PC on her sexual experience. The answers could be speechcraft tests and if he doesn't like the answer - negative favour.

[Monoman1]

@audhol

I wouldn't worry too much. You're not going to be able to satisfy everyone. If someone wants to do up an alternate set then they are free to do so. I could even include them in the Fomod as an option if their willing. 

 

The main thing is probably that they follow the same theme: start out kind of sweet but then turn humiliating (kind of like piercings) . What direction that humiliation should take is up to them.

36 minutes ago, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 I'm a big fan of the in-dialogue humiliation. The immersion into slavery mods is not only about how NPC see the PC, but also about how the player feels about the PC. My suggestion is following: at some point of PC's body modification, the father should further humiliate her by making her realize that her appearance has been altered to the point that she will never be a normal girl again. Everyone in the crowd will know what she really is, how she participated in acts of depravity. I believe it would be beneficial to the overall atmosphere of the mod if you include some verbal and psychological humiliation as well. As it is, the weight of events is heavily shifted towards sex, which is not exactly new and there are many other ways in which PC can be degraded.
 

For example one thing that is very rarely addressed is PC's sexual orientation. I like to play WT as a lesbian character (for obvious reasons) and this fact would be a nice entry point to a humiliating dialogue which would further emphasise the hopelessness of PC's position, how her will has no influence on the events to come.

So I think you should consider adding such elements into the gameplay. It would add some diversity to interactions with father. He could for example interrogate PC on her sexual experience. The answers could be speechcraft tests and if he doesn't like the answer - negative favour.

Sure. I probably even prefer other forms of humiliation over sex scenes tbh. But you'll have to elaborate more. 

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Sure. I probably even prefer other forms of humiliation over sex scenes tbh. But you'll have to elaborate more. 

Forcegreet event where father asks (for example) if it arouses you to be his servant.

Answers:
Yes, father (truth)
Yes, father (lie)
No. I wish you die in fire, you disgusting pig.

First two answers would be speech tests of random difficulty. If you fail them - negative favour. Failed test could result in answers such as:
(truth) - no, no, no, my little daughterslut. You're not convincing enough.
(lie) - you're an awful liar, bitch. Be thankful I have other uses for this mouth of yours, or I'd sew up your lying lips shut.
I see you still have some spirit. Good. All the more satisfying when I finally make you accept your fate.

The same mechanic could be used for different questions: do you like to lick his cock? Do you feel happy he blessed you with his child? Do you like when he stuffs his dick up your asspipe... And so on.

As for the sexuality - this could be one of the first things he asks when the PC is already satisfying his needs. If the PC responds that she's a lesbian he could degrade her and say that je will beat this girl on girl nonsense out of her head witch his schlong. If she's a bi - he could tease what he has in store, like for example "then you'll love the things I have planned for you". If she's hetero - "that's how the gods intended. I'll see to it that all your needs are fulfilled".

As for the body modification dialogue - I see it as a forcegreet. Father would state something along those lines:

Look at you. Look at what you have become. Beaten, pierced, deformed, tailored to men's every desire. You barely even look like a human being anymore. Think you'll ever be normal again? No, my little daughterslut. You'll never hide the truth from anybody ever again. Do you see it, bitch? Do you see what kind of slut you have become? The slut you have always been"

Here - again - the dialogue could turn into a speechcradt test:
Yes, father. Thank you for turning me into what I am (truth)
Yes, father. Thank you for turning me into what I am (lie)
No. This is not who I am! I hate you!

...

At least this is the way I see it. Another humiliating events I have in mind - father could throw something and order the PC to shove it in one of her holes. She'd have to keep it inside until he allows her to take it out (improvised plugs; would require chastity check).
Father could dress PC up as a pony girl and order her to bring him some crops from Rorikstead. He runs farm, after all. And this would be a great advertisement.
Doing supply runs in a pet suit, when the PC is broken enough.

If I think of something else, I'll share my ideas.

Edited May 20, 2022 by kapibar

[kapibar]

Another idea: I always found it strange that the daughter serves father naked no problem. I know progressive slooty clothes were supposed to close the gap, but it's still awkward. So I have an idea for an event. Father requires PC to give him her clothes. Now. Refusal - negative favour. She can ask him to return the clothes on the next day. If she agrees - substantial favour boost. This could also lead to naked servitude. Instead of approaching PC, father could just refuse to give the clothes back: "no, slut. At this point I don't think you need clothes anymore. You'll remain naked from now on. Admit it, this is what you wanted anyway. Now get back to your duties".

Father could also forcefully strip the PC on inspection event. He would remove her clothes and drop them on the floor.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Forcegreet event where father asks (for example) if it arouses you to be his servant.

Answers:
Yes, father (truth)
Yes, father (lie)
No. I wish you die in fire, you disgusting pig

Why not just always pick 3? Why risk 1 or 2?

Also I'd imagine what is true and what is a lie to change slowly over time. Any time you have binary options like that it becomes weird when a switch happens. Similar to your problem with clothes. 

[jc321]

52 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Another idea: I always found it strange that the daughter serves father naked no problem. I know progressive slooty clothes were supposed to close the gap, but it's still awkward. So I have an idea for an event. Father requires PC to give him her clothes. Now. Refusal - negative favour. She can ask him to return the clothes on the next day. If she agrees - substantial favour boost. This could also lead to naked servitude. Instead of approaching PC, father could just refuse to give the clothes back: "no, slut. At this point I don't think you need clothes anymore. You'll remain naked from now on. Admit it, this is what you wanted anyway. Now get back to your duties".

Father could also forcefully strip the PC on inspection event. He would remove her clothes and drop them on the floor.

 

I do think the gap between wearing full clothes to being naked is pretty quick within a playthrough, so if there was an element of a downwards spiral (ie: Full to partial to none or Good quality clothes to poor to none) but I guess that would be dependant upon other clothing mods? - I do like the idea of the forced stripping mechanics .. and the potential for additional punishment if you continue to disobey orders

[Monoman1]

1 minute ago, jc321 said:

think the gap between wearing full clothes to being naked is pretty quick within a playthrough, so if there was an element of a downwards spiral (ie: Full to partial to none or Good quality clothes to poor to none)

This is already a thing via outfits...

[jc321]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

This is already a thing via outfits..

 

Aware of that but (unless things have changed in the last couple of iterations) it's the bit where you agree to be slave for father and then that's instant 'you must be naked' ... although I know he then adds conditions and things to wear. I guess I'm being too picky!

[Balgin]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

First two answers would be speech tests of random difficulty. If you fail them - negative favour.

If they're random difficulty then why are there two of them? Apart from the intent behind them. I'd like to see some difference between the two (such as the honest one being easier but it then making rebellion harder further down the line). They could be random with different parameters (such as the honest one being in the 30-70 range and the dishonest one being in the 50-90 range or something like that). But for them to both, essentially, be the same, robs them of agency and I'd like to see some significant difference between the two to justify their duplicate use.

[Desvati]

24 minutes ago, jc321 said:

 

Aware of that but (unless things have changed in the last couple of iterations) it's the bit where you agree to be slave for father and then that's instant 'you must be naked' ... although I know he then adds conditions and things to wear. I guess I'm being too picky!

The mod allows you to set it up such that you go through a progression of outfits, set by yourself, that can eventually lead to serving him naked.

[adle]

another suggestion.

maybe you remove arm wrist, leg wrist and father slave heels, or dont use them as mandatory.

because those block alot of outfits, like heels, gloves or kneesocks