Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[audhol]

1 minute ago, kapibar said:

I don't believe this qualifies as a "minor issue".

Nope I would agree. Futanari is an se only mod but I've always found it to be good enough with whatever skin I'm using. I don't think its mm1's job to provide a guide for setting up a futa at least not untill there is an official release. As it is wartimes is a tricky beast to get working as theres bits and pieces scattered in different posts that need to be added to get the best experience. IMO if at sometime mm1 decides to do a full release and not just provide a link in his sig then it would be good if those of us that have been following and using the tweak could help to write a full guide of how to get it working right.

[Monoman1]

15 minutes ago, audhol said:

as a point that not all schlongs work out the box with all skin textures.

Which is precisely why I want nothing to do with it

 

The alternative is hard setting the body type, preset, texture, schlong for sis. Surely this is worse... No?

I'd guesstimate that 90% of people are not going to agree with my choices for these 4. 

And lets not forget body clothes that changes the shape of her body when equipped...

[kapibar]

5 minutes ago, audhol said:

Futanari is an se only mod but I've always found it to be good enough with whatever skin I'm using.

I don't believe there's equivalent for LE.

 

6 minutes ago, audhol said:

I don't think its mm1's job to provide a guide for setting up a futa at least not untill there is an official release.

I agree, That's why I proposed brainstorm. This is something that does not require MM's attention, unless he's willing to create a "total package".

[Monoman1]

Also. 

Just why is it that futa mods work so poorly out of the box and SoS more or less nails it? 

 

What we need is a motivated person to come up with a SoS styled solution for futas. Hell, even creature schlongs are less hassle than futa...

[audhol]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

The alternative is hard setting the body type, preset, texture, schlong for sis. Surely this is worse... No?

I'd guesstimate that 90% of people are not going to agree with my choices for these 4. 

And lets not forget body clothes that changes the shape of her body when equipped...

Yep fair points I think your just going to have to place some faith in the user to be able to sort it out for themselves.

 

4 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I agree, That's why I proposed brainstorm.

Mhmm well I think using futanari for SE is a no brainer (although its not bhunp compatible), perhaps other SE users could chip in with their opinions and if in agrement maybe mm1 could attach that as a recomended mod for the SE version. 

As for LE well I think we are going to need the input from someone who has got it working well with a variety of textures, Is CBBE the main body of choice for LE?

All this is fine as long as MM1 just wants Lilith to a wanger and not a horsey hose????

[kapibar]

3 minutes ago, audhol said:

Is CBBE the main body of choice for LE?

Tied with UUNP I'd say.

[audhol]

7 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Just why is it that futa mods work so poorly out of the box and SoS more or less nails it? 

Well because of CBBE/BHUNP/TBD/COCO and however many other bodies there are for females. Each one unwraps its mesh slightly differently so poor old sos trying to patch into that is always going to have a gap somewhere. Then theres the textures which each have a slightly different hue so even if the mesh matches theres going to be a colour difference. MNC/ABC etc just stick a knob onto the base body of the critter. When I worked on ToYS I did experiment wih making the cock using the vertices of the female body so that in effect the clit became the head and the pelvis molded around it simply to avoid the issue of texture mismatching because it would use the users base body texture, however the idea got poopooed and never advanced.

[Sierrok]

I don't mean to be a pain or impatient. When are you planning on releasing the updated pantry, bathroom and more? I look at 108 where the updates have been posted in the past. Is this the wrong location?

Edited May 22, 2022 by Sierrok

[Monoman1]

11 minutes ago, Sierrok said:

When are you planning on releasing the updated pantry, bathroom and more?

I'm not. Not until the beginning/endings are sorted out. And I haven't even got them in chart form yet...

[Desvati]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

It's a rather significant gap between pubic thigh and schlong's base. Basically it looks like a cock levitating in front of the body instead of being part of it. I wouldn't call this "a minor clipping issue". There's also a problem of matching textures which will be a hell to address. When I first installed it, futa cock looked awfully artificial and out of place. With some texture matching it didn't look so dramatic (still crappy though). But the gap was the thing that defeated me. The overall effect looked nothing like male schlongs and it definitely broke the immersion. The female body is much more sleek and such issues are painful to watch.

This is a definite "per user" issue. I have futa stuff installed in my game because of friends' characters and it works just fine. There's not so much as a seam.

[kapibar]

I was thinking about furthering this idea of verbal violence. It occured to me that father never actually explains why he thinks so little of PC and her mother. There's also a rather huge gap in the overall story. We don't know how father and mother met. It is safe to assume he's not PC's biological father. So I had this idea of father humiliating PC by telling her the story of her birth - her mother was a whore. She fucked so many men she doesn't even remember their faces. And she loved her job. Once a beggar came to her and he wanted to experience her famous pussy for himself. He didn't have any money, so he took her by force. And that is how she got pregnant with a child of a nameless rapist and a famous whore. For her whole life mother was doing what she could to keep her daughter from any kind of temptation, raising her as a prude, because she knew one day this little girl's vile origin will turn her into what she was always meant to be: a shameless slut who's only purpose is being someone's cock sleeve. So father is doing PC a favour and gives her her true heritage, for which she should forever be grateful.

[kapibar]

19 minutes ago, Desvati said:

This is a definite "per user" issue. I have futa stuff installed in my game because of friends' characters and it works just fine. There's not so much as a seam.

Like with many things. My point is this mechanic is not robust and will create problems for some users. Hence my suggestion to think of something that would make this whole thing painless. Futa content in WT will be available only after few hours of gameplay, it's hard to imagine players will be comfortable in doing a hard stop on their playthrough to go through a painful process of setting and debugging.

[Monoman1]

16 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I was thinking about furthering this idea of verbal violence. It occured to me that father never actually explains why he thinks so little of PC and her mother. There's also a rather huge gap in the overall story. We don't know how father and mother met. It is safe to assume he's not PC's biological father. So I had this idea of father humiliating PC by telling her the story of her birth - her mother was a whore. She fucked so many men she doesn't even remember their faces. And she loved her job. Once a beggar came to her and he wanted to experience her famous pussy for himself. He didn't have any money, so he took her by force. And that is how she got pregnant with a child of a nameless rapist and a famous whore. For her whole life mother was doing what she could to keep her daughter from any kind of temptation, raising her as a prude, because she knew one day this little girl's vile origin will turn her into what she was always meant to be: a shameless slut who's only purpose is being someone's cock sleeve. So father is doing PC a favour and gives her her true heritage, for which she should forever be grateful.

Mmm maybe.

This is the current draft changed diary:

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It's becoming tougher and tougher to get along with him. 

 

He's always been strict. Sometimes even harsh, but recently it's been getting worse. I suppose it's because of the war - all of our horses were confiscated for the war effort, and we have been left so few of our livestock to live from. 

 

Or maybe there's another reason? I think he's been disappointed with me all my life. Disappointed because I'm a girl. Disappointed with Mother for giving him me. 

I'm a living, breathing reminder for him that he has no son...

Ofc the PC would not be aware of any of your details so the diary still fits sort of. Her parents would not have told her any of it. Father could reveal it slowly over time during servitude. 

 

Currently chopping and changing the chart. Some of it's disconnected as not sure it belongs anymore. I've tried to separate the different members of the family into their own paths...

(you'll have to open the image in it's own tab and zoom in... it's getting big...)

Edited May 22, 2022 by Monoman1

[audhol]

The sister of "Sugar and Spice"

 

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[Balgin]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

I don't believe there's equivalent for LE.

 

I agree, That's why I proposed brainstorm. This is something that does not require MM's attention, unless he's willing to create a "total package".

There's an entire thread dedicated to it.

 

Also there's at least two or three options (they don't always fit all body types).

[audhol]

17 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I've tried to separate the different members of the family into their own paths...

What if its daughter that changes Lillith into a futa? Beletor might trick her. 

Once he knows her identity in the supplies run and father prefers fucking sister. 

"So I hear your father prefers fucking your sister to you now huh? I wonder how long he'll keep you around now she's here?" 

"why don't you put on a little show for me with that pooch before sucking my ? and I'll give you something to make sure your father never wants to fuck her PUSSY again" 

"just put these herbs in her drink before bed" 

It could all be a plan between Beletor and father but of course if daughter is responsible for turning her sister into a futa the it stands to reason she would be responsible for satisfying her needs. 

[Monoman1]

3 minutes ago, audhol said:

What if its daughter that changes Lillith into a futa? Beletor might trick her. 

Once he knows her identity in the supplies run and father prefers fucking sister. 

"So I hear your father prefers fucking your sister to you now huh? I wonder how long he'll keep you around now she's here?" 

"why don't you put on a little show for me with that pooch before sucking my ? and I'll give you something to make sure your father never wants to fuck her PUSSY again" 

"just put these herbs in her drink before bed" 

It could all be a plan between Beletor and father but of course if daughter is responsible for turning her sister into a futa the it stands to reason she would be responsible for satisfying her needs. 

Thats twisted...

I like it ? 

[kapibar]

11 minutes ago, Balgin said:

There's an entire thread dedicated to it.

 

Also there's at least two or three options (they don't always fit all body types).

I'm aware of the threads existing. But good luck finding anything on this message board, especially in a bigger discussion. We'd have to basically reinvent the wheel.

 

26 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Ofc the PC would not be aware of any of your details so the diary still fits sort of. Her parents would not have told her any of it. Father could reveal it slowly over time during servitude. 

Well, the whole story could very well be a complete bullshit just to mess with PC's head. This also opens up further possibilities to break the PC - father could bring some guy and force the PC to suck his cock, then reveal this is her real father. PC could throw a tantrum, to which he would say that it was a lie. Or wasn't. She'll never know.

[kapibar]

13 minutes ago, audhol said:

"just put these herbs in her drink before bed"

I like the whole idea, except the "herbal" solution. I think Emily1673 had it right in YPS transition quest - such a thing would require heavy modification, not just "magical potion" bullshit. It's one thing to poison someone, but growing a cock overnight? This is a little too hentai and too convenient.

Solution - the herbal potion was just part of the plot. In the morning father attacks the PC for poisoning her sister, then says he had to send her to a clinic and if she doesn't make it, the PC will never see the light of day ever again, then proceeds to send the PC to the cell in the cellar. On the next day, the PC is awakened by Lilith who successfully survived her "treatment" and now wants to repay her dear sister.

Edited May 22, 2022 by kapibar

[griffinjohn59]

Just figured I'd throw this out there, but if we need father to know a powerful wizard but don't want to make a whole new npc there's always Drelas.  The random powerful hostile NPC with his own furnished home just NW of Whiterun.  Given there's no vanilla quest attached to him he seems a perfect candidate for sourcing any nefarious magical bullshit such as futa or weird bondage collars, tattoos, etc.  

[safado]

6 hours ago, kapibar said:

Tied with UUNP I'd say.

 

I think you are overdramatic about the issue.  It is just a mesh to node offset misalignment, no biggie (can be fixed in Outfit Studio).  The real problem is the NIF morph from UUNP, that is in itself an overcrowded morph slider mess.  (Can be also be fixed in Outfit Studio) <--- hint 

SOS is just a framework, the problem is in the resources provided. 

 

Many years ago, this was the solution for Skyrim LE B3lisario's SOS schlong for females - UNP 0.9 in UUNP morphed body meshes. Unless yours is a new UUNP like BHUNP.

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If you have texture issues, maybe you find yours here.

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or here.  Very old, links maybe broken by now.

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DOWNLOAD

 

Alternative textures:

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - SG Renewal patch by MonaBabii

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - SG Renewal patch B by EvilReFlex

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Human Argonian Khajiit patch by hentaijin

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Human Argonian Khajiit patch B by EvilReFlex

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Mature Skin patch by TheOniNinja

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Fair Skin Complexion patch A by LaEspada

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Fair Skin Complexion patch B by cornbreadtm

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Fair Skin Complexion patch C by EvilReFlex

MEGA: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Navetsea's CBBE patch by Lother

 

Alternative textures:

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - SG Renewal patch by MonaBabii

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - SG Renewal patch B by EvilReFlex

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Human Argonian Khajiit patch by hentaijin

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Human Argonian Khajiit patch B by EvilReFlex

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Mature Skin patch by TheOniNinja

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Fair Skin Complexion patch A by LaEspada

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Fair Skin Complexion patch B by cornbreadtm

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Fair Skin Complexion patch C by EvilReFlex

baidu.com: SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon - Navetsea's CBBE patch by Lother

 

 

 

Body slide picture.

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Edited May 23, 2022 by safado

[kapibar]

6 hours ago, safado said:

 

I think you are overdramatic about the issue.

 

I don't believe I am. It's just a bug that I know of and I was unable to find a proper solution. And there are probably many more things that can go wrong. The issue is not that I had some kind of problem, but the fact that futa as a subject is a mess, extremely hard to find definitive answers, unless you're ready to really dig into it. I never really did because there wasn't anything that motivated me. But on the other hand players don't have unlimited time at their disposal and many of them might be disouraged. Hence me pushing for a solution that will work. Btw. I appreciate your effort, but I'm using CBBE.

[Monoman1]

Best option is probably to get together a bunch of people that know what they're talking about with futa stuff (which ain't me). Maybe one could cover CBBE, another UUNP etc. And get them to collaborate on a blog post guide that I could link to...

 

Preferably one that would end up having options for most mainstream body types + texture combinations.

 

I'd lock comments on the blog post so that important stuff doesn't get lost in comments. Keep it tightly controlled. Maybe have a separate topic for comments/suggestions etc.

 

I'm sure the community could use it for more than WT anyway...

 

But I just don't have the time to do this. If anyone is up to it....?

Edited May 23, 2022 by Monoman1

[audhol]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

But I just don't have the time to do this. If anyone is up to it....?

I'm happy to do SE CBBE (3ba etc) and BHUNP (after tats and outfit lol)

 

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Wait I still don't understand how your going to do it without making a custom npc? Your going to flag sister as male in sexlab right? How are you going to give her a schlong or is it down to the user to manualy select her and give her it once that part of the quest is reached?

 

Another option we didnt think about is making a fully packaged npc but with a bodyslide data set so users could build her body (2 versions female and futa) to whatever size they want whilst you still keep the perfect mesh and texture because they are all bundled in. Could add custom sliders to bodyslide to controll cock and ball size?

Edited May 23, 2022 by audhol

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, audhol said:

I'm happy to do SE CBBE (3ba etc) and BHUNP (after tats and outfit lol)

Good stuff. 

Get cracking. Where's my whip...

 

Btw, I don't know what you've planned but could I ask that when you're done with the tat that you move on to the outfit, rather than beginning work on an alternate tat? It's just that I would like to finish of the party dance section but I could do with an outfit for testing purposes. There's no rush or anything. I've gone back to SLS for the moment to try to straighten out the stupid thugs...

 

 

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I think: 2 options initially: Submit or fight

 

Submit: Hard but fair outcome: Takes all your gold, all your equipped items and half the stuff in your inventory. Add some light DD's. And a good fucking and you're free to go. 

Fight: Add some way of yielding but now is a harder outcome: Takes everything you have. A hard fucking. Adds heavy bondage. And dump you in some random location in Skyrim (used and abused)

 

But where should your stolen stolen stuff be sent to...? 

1. I could send it to the owner that sent the thugs to deal with you? But it could be difficult to pickpocket stuff back.

2. Or I could maybe try to keep the thugs in the world somewhere (they are usually deleted so that could be tricky). 

3. Or i could send your stuff to the lost and found shop.

 

Another question is how it'd work with defeat mods...

I think (at least for SL defeat) what would happen is as usual you get defeated but get back up again but the thugs attack you again (this is what normally happens).

But at least you'll have the option to yield to them? And of course you should get only the hard outcome at this stage...

 

Think I'll also see if I can change their composition from 3 heavy melee (which can be exploited) to 1 tank, 1 mage, 1 archer for better balance and/or increase the number of thugs.

Edited May 23, 2022 by Monoman1