Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[kapibar]

27 minutes ago, Balgin said:

If they're random difficulty then why are there two of them? Apart from the intent behind them. I'd like to see some difference between the two (such as the honest one being easier but it then making rebellion harder further down the line).

Well, rebellion is supposed to be harder. But the difference here is for the RP purposes. The player decides which answer is the honest one.

 

@Monoman1 substantial favour boost should do the trick. It's the exact same problem as with drunk event. Why play at all? For favours. And options (as said above) are for RP. Submissive, falsely submissive and openly rebelious.

[Monoman1]

3 minutes ago, adle said:

another suggestion.

maybe you remove arm wrist, leg wrist and father slave heels, or dont use them as mandatory.

because those block alot of outfits, like heels, gloves or kneesocks

I don't think there are any mandatory arm/leg restraints unless you're using devious devices and have set them as such in the mcm. 

 

I believe collar is exchangeable for any collar and any heels are exchangeable (even non restraint ones) for slave heels. 

35 minutes ago, jc321 said:

 

Aware of that but (unless things have changed in the last couple of iterations) it's the bit where you agree to be slave for father and then that's instant 'you must be naked' ... although I know he then adds conditions and things to wear. I guess I'm being too picky!

At what point is this? Slave wife? Perhaps a longer pregnancy period would help.

[Monoman1]

10 minutes ago, kapibar said:

substantial favour boost should do the trick.

Basically the same as drunk father then. Mmm I don't know that thats enough. I generally avoid drunk father (close dialog) = no risk unless I'm desperate for favour...

[Joe_Oni]

Has there been a request for [exit] option for the plugins?  I set "v" for the hotkey and seem to hit it by accident a lot and there only options to stick something up..(had me thinking of those hdt foxtail buttplugs or calpyso's hdt balls.

 

===about the game===

 

Funny thing happened, well sorta. I was doing the supply run, 60+ points up with dear old dad when I got attacked by some hired thugs. Well, "father" had beat the crap out of me (from an overlaping jobs) and I was suffering from the debuff. No real weapons, no armor, what to do....'call for help'...

 

The only ones that came to help were the dogs and one of them got killed for his trouble. I managed (with another hound) kill one of the thugs who got in a mutual KO on me. The Whiterun Guards decided to join in (hell, it was only them)  Eight assaults with "father's thristy", "father's hungry -" "father's pissed". flashing on the screen.

 

With it finally over, my pc starts heading back home and runs straight into another thug..  wood axe it is. Well, the Whiterun guards joined in again... Eleven assaults later "father" was mighty pissed. My pc is hobbling back and the thug tried to attack again. I 'd had enough so he got "console killed"  Never found the third thug so I don't know who sent them...

 

Anyway, get back, "Father" beats the crap out my pc and then after two forced handjobs, he beats the crap out her again.....arrange a party and he's still pissed, so much so he assaulted the pc in the middle of the party and then forced a handjob.     I'm thinking, ok, this is bad, let's appease the old shit...."Father's angry -14".  turns out SLSO is glitched out so everyone's blueballed.....

 

those falling numbers were something to see...

 

Just reinstalled SLSO and things look like it's working now though I need to test it more. Now "Father" seemed to have shot his load prematurely ?

 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Joe_Oni

[kapibar]

1 minute ago, Monoman1 said:

Basically the same as drunk father then. Mmm I don't know that thats enough. I generally avoid drunk father (close dialog) = no risk unless I'm desperate for favour...

Recently I played "virgin Mary" character - no sex, minimal submission. I noticed that there aren't all that many events reducing favours. This dialogue is designed as a trap. Refuse to play is - 10, rebelling also - 10. Submitting to test could be - 5 or +10, additionally levelling speechcraft. So it would be profitable. Not all players need a strong push. Sometimes diversity and roleplaying are rewarding enough.

[jc321]

38 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

At what point is this? Slave wife? Perhaps a longer pregnancy period would help.

 

The bit where you say I can't afford to pay for Mum is there anything else I can do .. Father then say's 'yes there is' knock on the head you wake up and Mum is back (in cage) and you speak to Father who say's you need to start serving me and you get a dialogue box saying you must be naked wear high heels. - So it's going from the previous state of wearing normal attire, to potentially then barmaid outfit and then straight to nothing (if choosing that route) - So it was really (my thinking at least) a slightly slower route to lose all clothes. Ie:- When you start servitude you are not immediately naked Day following prompt - It could be simply after a day and Father chooses you deny you clothes. - Maybe (just writing this) it's the dialogue box prompt I disliked as it kind of pops up with a set of strict conditions (ie you must be naked and serve in heels) that would probably have better come from Father either a few hours from starting servitude or from one of his daily checkups with you. 

 

However I haven't used the outfits option and I haven't played the last couple of iterations so sounds like things might have changed since then. 

[Monoman1]

43 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Recently I played "virgin Mary" character - no sex, minimal submission. I noticed that there aren't all that many events reducing favours. This dialogue is designed as a trap. Refuse to play is - 10, rebelling also - 10. Submitting to test could be - 5 or +10, additionally levelling speechcraft. So it would be profitable. Not all players need a strong push. Sometimes diversity and roleplaying are rewarding enough.

Hmm. I dunno. Losing favour to random number generation could be super frustrating. I know its probably meant to be.

 

If favor loss us the goal then I think id prefer father to set next to impossible tasks for you to fail. 

"Here, take this dagger. I want you to go clear out embershard mine"

Or "here's 5 bottles of horse cum. I want you to drink them all down without barfing"

[Monoman1]

21 minutes ago, jc321 said:

 

The bit where you say I can't afford to pay for Mum is there anything else I can do .. Father then say's 'yes there is' knock on the head you wake up and Mum is back (in cage) and you speak to Father who say's you need to start serving me and you get a dialogue box saying you must be naked wear high heels. - So it's going from the previous state of wearing normal attire, to potentially then barmaid outfit and then straight to nothing (if choosing that route) - So it was really (my thinking at least) a slightly slower route to lose all clothes. Ie:- When you start servitude you are not immediately naked Day following prompt - It could be simply after a day and Father chooses you deny you clothes. - Maybe (just writing this) it's the dialogue box prompt I disliked as it kind of pops up with a set of strict conditions (ie you must be naked and serve in heels) that would probably have better come from Father either a few hours from starting servitude or from one of his daily checkups with you. 

 

However I haven't used the outfits option and I haven't played the last couple of iterations so sounds like things might have changed since then. 

Well you've failed. So there has to be some consequnce...

Plus doesn't that lead to the SD exit?

Edited May 20, 2022 by Monoman1

[jc321]

6 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Well you've failed. So there has to be some consequnce...

Plus doesn't that lead to the SD exit?

 

Hmmm. Maybe I had a fubar build then. Scenarios I have played are:- 

 

1. Be sarcastic and you'll end up in cellar and then SD exit .. although as mentioned there is partial WT dialogue which could evolve.

2. Whilst Mum is away .. you go on path of downwards spiral pleasing father  --- But never seen Mum come back and if I paid the money for the bills .. game over.

3. You have an option to say I can't afford money is there another way? - which (described above) Mum is back (in cage) and then you begin servitude and plays out like scenario 2 apart from you've gone straight to being naked and wearing heels. 

 

And on scenario 3. (which was the most common one I played)

 

If Mum dies and you're not pregnant - Game over

If mum dies and you are pregnant and/or have had kid you continue .. but always seemed a little broken as father assumed mother was still alive .. I just put that down to minor buggettes. 

 

I have completely wiped my installation and moved to Vortex but I'm hesitant to start another playthrough until this new release comes out (yes I know might be a while!) 

 

 

[Balgin]

24 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmm. I dunno. Losing favour to random number generation could be super frustrating. I know its probably meant to be.

 

If favor loss us the goal then I think id prefer father to set next to impossible tasks for you to fail. 

"Here, take this dagger. I want you to go clear out embershard mine"

Or "here's 5 bottles of horse cum. I want you to drink them all down without barfing"

Speaking of next to impossible tasks.... did you disable the Amren Family Sword quest? it seems to be unavailable with this mod running. I was looking forwards to seeing how hopelessly difficult it would be (something to give our girl the impression that she'd better just go home to her father and give up on any idea of being competent).

[kapibar]

11 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmm. I dunno. Losing favour to random number generation could be super frustrating. I know its probably meant to be.

Yeah, and I think this is what this mod desperately needs - a bit of unpredictability. I'm a meticulous type. When I coordinate timing, I can go without loosing a single favour for days. This is how "mechanical" the gameplay is. The only "random" thing is father being drunk, other than that - everything is painfully predictable and managable.
 

14 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

If favor loss us the goal then I think id prefer father to set next to impossible tasks for you to fail. 

Humiliation is the goal, favour lottery is just a bonus. Plus a little bit of randomness. Basically all relations with father are when he wants something. He never approaches PC to just talk or tease her. He's more like an officer in the army: "I give you an order to wear this. Now move it, soldier"! He's also extremely predictable after some time. Limited amount of interactions is to blame here, but basically after being impregnated and turned into a milk maid, he has nothing to offer. All burned out. There's inspection event and clothing quest, other than that - nothing new. It's just an endless cycle of food -> fuck -> milk -> wait -> food -> fuck -> milk -> sleep. And this goes on for 30 days straight. If you add child sex check, could very well be much longer. This loop leaves too much free time and on the other hand doesn't give enough freedom to just go places and do shit. And this is probably the longest segment of WT. That's why I believe something should be added to the gameplay. And since fucking and DD's are pretty much covered, it leaves only dialogues, or some quests from father. But the last would require a lot of work, for example being forced to become a crafting slave. You'd have to calculate how much crafting stuff is required, create dialogues, conditions and whatnot. Dialogues are simple and more unpredictable. Also underused in most slavery mods.

[kapibar]

5 minutes ago, Balgin said:

Speaking of next to impossible tasks.... did you disable the Amren Family Sword quest? it seems to be unavailable with this mod running. I was looking forwards to seeing how hopelessly difficult it would be (something to give our girl the impression that she'd better just go home to her father and give up on any idea of being competent).

I don't think this is WT's fault. It's actually LAL that's fucking shit up in the Whiterun area. Something to do with it being the first hold, that is supposed to be locked on vanilla start. Anyway, both Amren's sword and Ysolda's quest (which is btw. "canary in a coal mine") are unavailable when the game is started in or near Whiterun. Try to leave the city, fast travel anywhere else, then return, but do not FT to Whiterun directly. This should help.

Edited May 20, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

11 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Yeah, and I think this is what this mod desperately needs - a bit of unpredictability. I'm a meticulous type. When I coordinate timing, I can go without loosing a single favour for days. This is how "mechanical" the gameplay is. The only "random" thing is father being drunk, other than that - everything is painfully predictable and managable.
 

Humiliation is the goal, favour lottery is just a bonus. Plus a little bit of randomness. Basically all relations with father are when he wants something. He never approaches PC to just talk or tease her. He's more like an officer in the army: "I give you an order to wear this. Now move it, soldier"! He's also extremely predictable after some time. Limited amount of interactions is to blame here, but basically after being impregnated and turned into a milk maid, he has nothing to offer. All burned out. There's inspection event and clothing quest, other than that - nothing new. It's just an endless cycle of food -> fuck -> milk -> wait -> food -> fuck -> milk -> sleep. And this goes on for 30 days straight. If you add child sex check, could very well be much longer. This loop leaves too much free time and on the other hand doesn't give enough freedom to just go places and do shit. And this is probably the longest segment of WT. That's why I believe something should be added to the gameplay. And since fucking and DD's are pretty much covered, it leaves only dialogues, or some quests from father. But the last would require a lot of work, for example being forced to become a crafting slave. You'd have to calculate how much crafting stuff is required, create dialogues, conditions and whatnot. Dialogues are simple and more unpredictable. Also underused in most slavery mods.

Well afraid thats the problem with content. Eventually it runs out... ?

I can possibly add random amount of times onto tasks: +/- 1 hour if it helps unpredictability. 

personally I like being able to leave for some time and return. Let's face it. There'll never be enough content to make staying in the house constantly interesting unless I hire a team of developers. And even then you'll still run out of content eventually.

[kapibar]

5 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Well afraid thats the problem with content. Eventually it runs out... ?

Sure, but dialogues have two advantages: they add some randomness and it should be quite easy to introduce them and mix'em up. It's always something new, so... just think about it .

[Herowynne]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

Anyway, both Amren's sword and Ysolda's quest (which is btw. "canary in a coal mine") are unavailable when the game is started in or near Whiterun. Try to leave the city, fast travel anywhere else, then return, but do not FT to Whiterun directly. This should help.

This is good advice. Also I think these are favor quests and you can only accept one of those at a time.

[audhol]

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I wouldn't worry too much. You're not going to be able to satisfy everyone.

Lol well I can try, currently got more versions on the go than fast and furious. However I would like to get it done and move onto converting the outfit to LE, as you said more items makes better gameplay I could easily add a collar garter and gloves, that would make it an 8 piece outfit.

[lcewolf]

@Monoman1

 

I was wondering if at some point you will change Father outfit for something like vanilla rich clothes?

I always do it manually but maybe at some point you could change that?

 

Just a suggestion.

Edited May 20, 2022 by lcewolf

[Monoman1]

34 minutes ago, lcewolf said:

@Monoman1

 

I was wondering if at some point you will change Father outfit for something like vanilla rich clothes?

I always do it manually but maybe at some point you could change that?

 

Just a suggestion.

Maybe he should get increasingly better armor and weapon to make him more difficult to kill? Ala slaverun slavers. 

Probably look a bit silly lounging around the house in armor though.

Edited May 20, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

18 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Probably look a bit silly lounging around the house in armor though.

Absolutely ridiculous. He could have jarl's robes though.

Edited May 20, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/149018-wartimes-a-daughters-tale-le-alternate-start-scenario/?do=findComment&comment=3756218

 

We need to go back to the structure of the beginning/endings. Until I get that down in chart form I can't even begin to make changes to them. 

 

I like shiny stuff in the middle as much (if not more than) you guys but I think shiny stuff in the middle can be added after a new version is released...

 

So people seem happy enough with changing the early responses dictating whether you get a hard or an easy start. I still need ideas/clarification on how mother can further be used as leverage against the player so father can make you do all these horrible things...

[audhol]

Just now, Monoman1 said:

I still need ideas/clarification on how mother can further be used as leverage against the player so father can make you do all these horrible things...

Don't you think roleplaying is incentive enough? You do what ever he wants because you want to keep your mother alive.

 

 

 

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[Zebip00]

Fantastic to see this mod being continually worked on. Just to throw my 2cents in with mother but what if you received notes from her periodically from the courier, simply telling the PC to be strong ETC.

 

Also great idea with the extended family, what if older brother had run off to join the forsworn then if he kills father the PC becomes an indentured servant at  Druadach Redoubt

[Mushikisai]

An idea that the father acquired more property by offering his daughter to the jarl, which also explains the expansion of the house (an expansion of those cyclical tasks)

In addition, although armour is not quite suitable for wearing indoors, perhaps Father's clothes could be turned into more ornate vanilla cloths as the amount of money the PC earned for him(maybe by helding partys or something) increases?

Edited May 20, 2022 by dayangvvv

[Mushikisai]

Btw, what variables control the progress of the outfit phase?  Always found it slow to progress in getting a new outfit. level

[Mushikisai]

1 hour ago, audhol said:

Don't you think roleplaying is incentive enough? You do what ever he wants because you want to keep your mother alive.

 

 

 

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