Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

3 minutes ago, GeorgiaCav said:

One request for the home remodel: I’m hoping there will be a wash basin or even a kettle on the floor where the PC can bathe. It doesn’t have to be an activator, just somewhere I can have the PC stand while I run Bathing in Skyrim. 
 

Bonus if at some point Father would start insisting on watching her bathe. 

See if you can squint at the door on the left in the (No) dance video. Edit: Or I pass by it in the second video.

That's a bathroom. Father will try to spy on you while you bath there sometimes. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Monoman1

[jc321]

48 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I actually wanted to suggest father should throw PC money so she would have to pick them off the ground like a dignityless bitch

Was thinking if it is a simple mechanic you could change the coins for throwing other things at the player. Father drunk, throwing bottle/smashed glass. Sister throwing to mess floor up. etc... 

[leakim]

44 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

 

There's also this little change to be aware of...

Need to figure out a way of returning to walking after that pose though. 

 

 

LOL. I swear with every new post from you I am losing a little bit of what is left of my sanity.

 

On a completely unrelated note, why is there only a $1 tier on your patreon?

[Monoman1]

38 minutes ago, jc321 said:

Was thinking if it is a simple mechanic you could change the coins for throwing other things at the player. Father drunk, throwing bottle/smashed glass. Sister throwing to mess floor up. etc... 

Well party dudes will definitely be throwing empty bottles/tankards for you to clean up. 

15 minutes ago, leakim said:

completely unrelated note, why is there only a $1 tier on your patreon?

?‍♂️

[MyNameIsnt]

6 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Who do people think would make a good Npc to get tats from?

 

 

On the off-chance that you're still looking for ideas, Father seems like the type of guy to have underground connections to shady characters - one of which could be an artist that specializes in unethical tattoos and brandings for people involved in slave-trading and prostitution. Father could employ their services to tattoo the player while subtly (or not) implying that are much worse fates that could await her than a simple tattoo.

 

This could be an NPC that Father invites to the house since characters like these aren't exactly revered in normal holds meaning the player won't have to suspend disbelief to travel down to places like the Rataway which seem unusual for a farm girl to be visiting. This could also help with the player RP element of "my character might not be 100% broken but it still makes sense why they'd consent to getting this tattoo" for fear of what might happen should she decline.

 

Just my $0.02 - since Father's whole goal is to gain leverage over the player (and the mod's goal is to do it in an immersive way that doesn't require the player to suspend their disbelief), the best ways to accomplish this are to hold very real threats over the player's head like selling the player to a Simple Slavery auction or more hardcore themes such as lite-amputation (the same fate as Mother) even if the mod itself has no intention of following through. 

 

Also if you're looking for events to expand the cellar - Father could send the PC down to deal with a pesky skeever problem. The PC could kill the rat through combat for a small favor gain or seduce it for a large boost in depravity unbeknownst to Father. The more times you do it the more skeevers could show up giving an actual gameplay use for Billy's 4P & 5P skeever animations. Just a thought. ?

[audhol]

7 hours ago, Balgin said:

I'm not so keen on this idea purely because the daughters haven't had any practice or training so they probably won't be very good at creating tattoos. In Skyrim's society tattoos (as opposed to warpaint) should probably be performed by a sailor or priest (getting the priest to do it so that the power of the divine could prevent against an infection).

 

I think as long as theres some kind of scene taking place it doesnt really matter who does it, as with most events in WT there always seems to be a prelude, a revelation or shock and an aftereffect. Its something very few adult mods actually bother doing. Mostly its just wham bahm that goes in there etc etc without actually allowing the player to feel afinity to their characters plight. Often the not knowing is what makes it enjoyable.

[audhol]

Stage 5 Non Futa

 

Lillith

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Daughter

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What are we thinking max stage should be?

Edited May 18, 2022 by audhol

[Soda Pop]

3 hours ago, MyNameIsnt said:

 

On the off-chance that you're still looking for ideas, Father seems like the type of guy to have underground connections to shady characters - one of which could be an artist that specializes in unethical tattoos and brandings for people involved in slave-trading and prostitution. Father could employ their services to tattoo the player while subtly (or not) implying that are much worse fates that could await her than a simple tattoo.

 

This could be an NPC that Father invites to the house since characters like these aren't exactly revered in normal holds meaning the player won't have to suspend disbelief to travel down to places like the Rataway which seem unusual for a farm girl to be visiting. This could also help with the player RP element of "my character might not be 100% broken but it still makes sense why they'd consent to getting this tattoo" for fear of what might happen should she decline.

 

Just my $0.02 - since Father's whole goal is to gain leverage over the player (and the mod's goal is to do it in an immersive way that doesn't require the player to suspend their disbelief), the best ways to accomplish this are to hold very real threats over the player's head like selling the player to a Simple Slavery auction or more hardcore themes such as lite-amputation (the same fate as Mother) even if the mod itself has no intention of following through. 

 

Also if you're looking for events to expand the cellar - Father could send the PC down to deal with a pesky skeever problem. The PC could kill the rat through combat for a small favor gain or seduce it for a large boost in depravity unbeknownst to Father. The more times you do it the more skeevers could show up giving an actual gameplay use for Billy's 4P & 5P skeever animations. Just a thought. ?

I like the cellar idea, I feel like it's currently kind of pointless. I've never gone down there for anything and it would make sense for father to make the PC do something she at first doesn't want to do.

[Monoman1]

52 minutes ago, audhol said:

are we thinking max stage should be?

Probably as many as you like. I can set it up like the fashion job to be recurring until stage X

[lorddenorstrus]

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

May as well go all in instead of beating around the bush. 

Given that there really is no convention for armor and slots ill probably just have to query the player when an outfit is added. 

This part is:

Top

Bottom

Bra

Panty

Other

Well, SLS survival does have the inbuilt Bikini system.  Couldn't you use that as a starting base?  Slot things similarly to Bikini for overlap purposes.   Bottom to bottom etc.

 

Edit; Minor side point.  I trimmed my mod list down recently deciding i didn't like a few mods.  Somehow in the process I made a mistake of some level.  Because when i did a test on making a new char with the new list.  Father wouldn't stop following  the char around.  Dying to the first bandit camp I did to earn some garbage to sell.  I will have to figure out what is causing that...

Edited May 19, 2022 by lorddenorstrus
Forgot somethin

[Joe_Oni]

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Food/drink for the party are already pretty much sorted. I don't really want to dig it all up again. 

Are you sure you're running the tweak? My signature. 

Those are pretty much all side jobs and endings. I haven't touched them much at all. 

 

 

 

Yeah, the tweak fixed a lot ( I had just dl from the first page, kind need a link pointing to pg 95 for 1st timers...) (or make it more obvious if I missed it)

 

Still got the western watch no dialogue though

 

Anyway, tried the sassy approach, that certainly went south quick...?

 

Went back to the obedient route, lost 40 point the drunk mini (harsh) then later got a glitch.

 

Since 'father' wasn't up, I sat down to advance an hour. 'Father' appears saying I need a beating. He goes into the unarmed melee and my toon stands on the chair and locks up....

 

 

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pity you can't continue to "play along"  but I hit that option by accident while checking out the progression. 

I decided to 'aquire' the cure cost and then only have to pay the rising daily costs.

 

Of course, my save was hours eariler, but I guess I get to clean out whiterun with leaving hoof prints at the scenes of the crime.

 

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by Joe_Oni

[Karkhel]

I know you were thinking about endings before, did you figure it all out or still open for suggestions?
If you are done just disregard this.
Since wife ending seems to be so easy to get and kinda makes SLS much easier make it a progressingly harder thing to keep up with, would it be hard to implement reading how many children father made and then adding some weekly or monthly fee, having to basically provide for the children, so eventually you run into problems and maybe there is an attempt to sell you to settle the debts and either way your housewife ways wound end there then, or you just have to work hard to keep the place? Maybe there would be maximum amount no matter how many kids.
But this is under assumption that he is doing that after 1st kid? I did not got to that stage yet so I dunno, also no clue how much of a pain in the ass would tracking his children be, does fertility mode keep something you could use for that?
But this mechanic would only make sense if someone is playing SLS and might struggle to get enough coin. No idea how much of a mod you wanna make with only SLS players in mind.

[Monoman1]

6 hours ago, Joe_Oni said:

Yeah, the tweak fixed a lot

You shouldn't install it over a save running the old version. Needs a new game. 

1 hour ago, Karkhel said:

I know you were thinking about endings before, did you figure it all out or still open for suggestions?
If you are done just disregard this.
Since wife ending seems to be so easy to get and kinda makes SLS much easier make it a progressingly harder thing to keep up with, would it be hard to implement reading how many children father made and then adding some weekly or monthly fee, having to basically provide for the children, so eventually you run into problems and maybe there is an attempt to sell you to settle the debts and either way your housewife ways wound end there then, or you just have to work hard to keep the place? Maybe there would be maximum amount no matter how many kids.
But this is under assumption that he is doing that after 1st kid? I did not got to that stage yet so I dunno, also no clue how much of a pain in the ass would tracking his children be, does fertility mode keep something you could use for that?
But this mechanic would only make sense if someone is playing SLS and might struggle to get enough coin. No idea how much of a mod you wanna make with only SLS players in mind.

Not finished with the endings at all. Not even started.

Well there's already the debt system so the hardest part is figuring out when/how many kids you have. 

[Monoman1]

8 hours ago, lorddenorstrus said:

will have to figure out what is causing that..

Use SLS Debug > Get actor package.

[trellouk]

I like the idea of the twin sister. Would love it if the sister becomes father's favorite and turns into a spoiled brat, and the poor player character has to serve her demands too, becoming a servant/slave to both her stepfather and sister.

[Karkhel]

6 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

You shouldn't install it over a save running the old version. Needs a new game. 

Not finished with the endings at all. Not even started.

Well there's already the debt system so the hardest part is figuring out when/how many kids you have. 

If it's only number of kids and their race then fertility mode tracks at least the number, and uses race to determine race of the baby but no clue if that's helpful at all, if it stores that info anywhere for you to use.

[audhol]

@Monoman1 do you prefer this to the previous version? 

 

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[Mushikisai]

13 minutes ago, audhol said:

@Monoman1 do you prefer this to the previous version? 

 

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Personally, I may prefer this version

[audhol]

7 minutes ago, dayangvvv said:

Personally, I may prefer this version

Yeah me too seems more integrated and less like just a collection of images.

[kapibar]

@audhol aside from my opinion on the aesthetic, there's one thing I think might require some tweaking. When tats are applied via ST they look very... unnatural. Like the ones you can find in bubblegum for kids - vibrant colors and vivid contrasts. It's not as noticeable with all black textures, but full color, with your ENB emphasising the issue, it really does look more like a sticker than an actual tattoo. I'd suggest adding at least some transparency (25%?), otherwise I fear it might contrast too much with overall aesthetic of the game and gloomy atmosphere of the mod itself. Transparency would add some wear'n'tear feeling. And yeah, I know FadeTattoos exists, but it's an extra esp in the load order.

Another thing that concerns me is the potential conflict between SLS bruising and the quantity of layers you're planning to implement. I have a rather large number of overlay slots and just today had to reset SLS's bruising for the stockings to be applied. Considering that WT makes PC bruised practically all the time, plus YPS piercings (3 slots, 1 at best), plus stockings... I don't think all that many players have so many layers at their disposal.

[audhol]

14 minutes ago, kapibar said:

there's one thing I think might require some tweaking

Yeah I think once the designs are finalised there is definately some tweaking regarding saturation and brightness. Its more that than the transparency. I'm supplying the tats to double M one as both seperate and combined so in effect even at stage 7 that only equals 1 tattoo. I believe mono asked for seperate tats primarilary because of concerns from you and others about not liking certain images so that the user add some choice over what images they wanted to see.

[kapibar]

1 minute ago, audhol said:

Yeah I think once the designs are finalised there is definately some tweaking regarding saturation and brightness.

Maybe going black with dotted halftone would be the most reasonable solution. Even if you tone down the saturation, the skin color on the image will still contrast with skin texture. So anyway you'll have to add some transparency, preferably to everything beside contours.

[Monoman1]

29 minutes ago, audhol said:

Yeah me too seems more integrated and less like just a collection of images.

Yea I think it's better. 

22 minutes ago, kapibar said:

aside from my opinion on the aesthetic, there's one thing I think might require some tweaking. When tats are applied via ST they look very... unnatural. Like the ones you can find in bubblegum for kids - vibrant colors and vivid contrasts. It's not as noticeable with all black textures, but full color, with your ENB emphasising the issue, it really does look more like a sticker than an actual tattoo. I'd suggest adding at least some transparency (25%?), otherwise I fear it might contrast too much with overall aesthetic of the game and gloomy atmosphere of the mod itself. Transparency would add some wear'n'tear feeling. And yeah, I know FadeTattoos exists, but it's an extra esp in the load order.

Transparency will likely be handled by WTs itself. 

 

As for the images... @audhol maybe applying some er... what's the word... rasterization ? to give it a more grainy surface look might help ?

Pulling words out of my ass now. You probably know what I'm talking about. I fear though the images may be too small and overlay resolution too low for it to work well.

 

23 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Another thing that concerns me is the potential conflict between SLS bruising and the quantity of layers you're planning to implement. I have a rather large number of overlay slots and just today had to reset SLS's bruising for the stockings to be applied. Considering that WT makes PC bruised practically all the time, plus YPS piercings (3 slots, 1 at best), plus stockings... I don't think all that many players have so many layers at their disposal.

Layers are something you're just going to have to manage yourself. Don't want to add more slots? Then you're just going to have to either turn things down or off completely. 

I've been running something like 30+ slots for some time now...

 

[kapibar]

9 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

As for the images... @audhol maybe applying some er... what's the word... rasterization ?

The word you're looking for is "dirt". Rasterization is actually converting shapes into raster (image with finite grid) ☺️.

And if @audhol is using photoshop, the process is actually very simple and might be worth a try.

 

  

6 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Layers are something you're just going to have to manage yourself.

 

Oh, I'm not worried about myself. I'm good with overlay slots. But this just increases the list of shit you'll have to troubleshoot in the future. So if you want to go with it - for your own sake, better write a manual on how to proceed with this mod, otherwise you'll end in an endless hell of repeating questions.

Edited May 19, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

7 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Oh, I'm not worried about myself. I'm good with overlay slots. But this just increases the list of shit you'll have to troubleshoot in the future. So if you want to go with it - for your own sake, better write a manual on how to proceed with this mod, otherwise you'll end in an endless hell of repeating questions.

Practically all my mods use overlays. I'm already in hell