Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

20 minutes ago, kapibar said:

That's why I used this specific phrasing - "if mother dies, I become your legal guardian". It's not like he's not implying stuff in the beginning - "grow your hair, should give me leverage". Or "this should keep that body of yours firm". Being a legal guardian sounds pretty tame in comparison.

I worded it very bluntly to convey my point. 

How would father word it as a veiled, but compelling threat in the early mod?

[kapibar]

21 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I worded it very bluntly to convey my point. 

How would father word it as a veiled, but compelling threat in the early mod?

Well, the same was my point - to underline the fact that keeping mother ailve is a preferred status quo from PC's pov. That now he's playing with his gloves on, but when she fucks up, the soft is off.

 

Actually, if you want rephrasing:

"I'll take care of your mother's health, honey, as long as you work dilligently. But if you fail the person that brought you to this world, I will be forced to find it necessary to sort out your priorities for you, without necessarily taking your will into account".

Edited May 16, 2022 by kapibar

[kapibar]

Gentlepeople, I was wondering if anybody can help me. The issue at hand is somewhat connected to WT, high heels more specifically. With SL's "Clear Heel's Height" setting the PC "sinks" into the ground a little, which is quite infuriating. Solution for this would be to move the whole scene up. However, it is quite a daunting task doing it manually actor by actor, and with 700+ animation it is next to impossible. Does anyone know a trick or a solution to this problem? Or maybe a proper SL setting that would take care of the problem...?

[jc321]

I have no idea I'm afraid but keep seeing references for Nioverride in a lot of mod settings which appears to address high heels. Is that not an option?

[Balgin]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Gentlepeople, I was wondering if anybody can help me. The issue at hand is somewhat connected to WT, high heels more specifically. With SL's "Clear Heel's Height" setting the PC "sinks" into the ground a little, which is quite infuriating. Solution for this would be to move the whole scene up. However, it is quite a daunting task doing it manually actor by actor, and with 700+ animation it is next to impossible. Does anyone know a trick or a solution to this problem? Or maybe a proper SL setting that would take care of the problem...?

Did you open Racemenu while wearing high heels? This almost always causes this problem. Take them off before opening Racemenu and put them back on afterwards.

 

If it is racemenu related then the problem will perisst through reloading saves with the same character. Sometimes area transitions will fix it but it's very rare. Closing down the entire game, relaunching the game, and loading up the save always fixes this if it's a Racemenu thing.

 

If you're referring specifically to the high heel height clear that sinks the shoes into the ground to use crafting benches or sit on chairs then I believe the HDT High Heel MCM has an option to turn that off.

 

You might want to check the settings in the right hand column.

 

[kapibar]

13 minutes ago, Balgin said:

Did you open Racemenu while wearing high heels? This almost always causes this problem. Take them off before opening Racemenu and put them back on afterwards.

Sinking is only present in SL animations. I think high heels clear function "eats" tiny bit too much height. Beside animation - everything is OK. Also, I don't have HDT HH. Removed it recently. In a longer gameplay it completely destroys SL, checking for heel effect takes forever.

[leakim]

3 hours ago, kapibar said:

Gentlepeople, I was wondering if anybody can help me. The issue at hand is somewhat connected to WT, high heels more specifically. With SL's "Clear Heel's Height" setting the PC "sinks" into the ground a little, which is quite infuriating. Solution for this would be to move the whole scene up. However, it is quite a daunting task doing it manually actor by actor, and with 700+ animation it is next to impossible. Does anyone know a trick or a solution to this problem? Or maybe a proper SL setting that would take care of the problem...?

 

While this sort of thing does not consistently happen to me, it does happen sometimes.

 

I find that if I simply click the "Realign Actors" hotkey from Sexlab, the problem is solved immediately. Have you tried this?

[kapibar]

6 minutes ago, leakim said:

 

While this sort of thing does not consistently happen to me, it does happen sometimes.

 

I find that if I simply click the "Realign Actors" hotkey from Sexlab, the problem is solved immediately. Have you tried this?

Yup. Like Titanic, it doesn't unsink.

[leakim]

Ugh. Sounds infuriating.

 

What I usually do in these types of situations is create a new Mod Organizer profile (copy) and then:

 * Remove half the mods in the setup

 * Start a new game and see if the problem persist

 * Rinse and repeat until the problem disappears.

 * Then for the last set of mods removed: Add half until the problem appears again.

 

I find the mod "Faster Mod Setup Notifications" a blessing in these situations because I do not have to wait as long after starting a new game to be sure everything is ready.

 

Lots of work, I know.

 

Obiovusly there are mods that I find are of higher chance of causing the problem, and I usually just start with removing those rather than just half in the first go.

Edited May 17, 2022 by leakim

[Desvati]

On 5/16/2022 at 1:56 PM, Monoman1 said:

Updated slightly. 

Opinions on:

- Starting point for sister's reveal?

- Placing Mother in a random hold. Finding her would give you a legitimate reason to explore. Confront Father when found. Removes healing upkeep? Can buy mother back for half her healing cost? But why would you want mother at this point? Mother is a real PITA to reconcile into the mod mechanics/plot. 

- Not sure about Benji sending thugs. How can a guy living in a shack, wearing rags afford to send hired goons. If I make him rich then why didn't he just pay for mother's healing himself... Yuck.

 

More suggestions for anything with a ????? or anything in general really.

 

LL seems to be compressing the image somewhat. Looks better on my desktop...

Starting point could potentially be somewhere around when regular sex with him starts occurring, by this point he'd be fairly certain he has the PC boxed in with his scheme, and with no way out she's either obeying willingly or because she has no other choice.

Reconciling mother in the mod is definitely a headache, and its also difficult to think of tangible things we can gain from her upkeep as mother herself is indisposed and on top of that there's the issue of balancing making things too good or too weak (and how much work they'd be to include). Some things just don't come to mind because they don't seem feasible.

Maybe Father could forgive some of your debt if you've been a good girl (high favour + keeping up on mother's medicine) for example, as a way to make himself seem more sympathetic (and further entrap the PC). But then you'd need to reconcile so much around it...

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, leakim said:

Ugh. Sounds infuriating.

Minor irritation. It's not something extreme, really. But irritating.

 

1 hour ago, leakim said:

* Remove half the mods in the setup
 

With my setup - fat chance that I'll be able to do it. It's what I call "a functioning mess".

[safado]

5 hours ago, kapibar said:

Gentlepeople, I was wondering if anybody can help me. The issue at hand is somewhat connected to WT, high heels more specifically. With SL's "Clear Heel's Height" setting the PC "sinks" into the ground a little, which is quite infuriating. Solution for this would be to move the whole scene up. However, it is quite a daunting task doing it manually actor by actor, and with 700+ animation it is next to impossible. Does anyone know a trick or a solution to this problem? Or maybe a proper SL setting that would take care of the problem...?

 

I fail to see any "Gentlepeople" in this forum.  People are talking about slavery and rape. ?

 

It is not a WT issue. Multiple "high heel" re-aling will overcompensate during sexlab PC scenes.  Each mod named the feature differently.  Try disabling the feature in all your mods.  If that remove the alignment sink issue, then enable only one and test.  Only have one mod modifying "heel alignment" during sexlab scenes at a time.

 

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by safado

[audhol]

Stage 4 mk2 should there be a phrase behind the pictures like "I make Daddy proud" or something like that? Also you guys that want a different bdsm tattoo set maybee send me some pics you like on P.M. simply so I've got them all in one place, @kapibar I know you sent one before could you resend please?

Spoiler

 

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, safado said:

I fail to see any "Gentlepeople" in this forum.  People are talking about slavery and rape. ?

In my experience dogs that bark the loudest rarely bite .

 

1 hour ago, safado said:

t is not a WT issue. Multiple "high heel" re-aling will overcompensate during sexlab PC scenes.  Each mod named the feature differently.  Try disabling the feature in all your mods.  If that remove the alignment sink issue, then enable only one and test.  Only have one mod modifying "heel alignment" during sexlab scenes at a time.I

I know it's not WT, but it does make the problem more noticeable - first with actual heels, then through YPS feet deformation that functions as heels. I'm quite certain the issue is created by SexLab itself that removes tiny bit more height than it should. Other than that I don't recall any of my mods having a function related to height adjustment.

[kapibar]

18 minutes ago, audhol said:

Stage 4 mk2

I see you're a man of culture.

 

18 minutes ago, audhol said:

 @kapibar I know you sent one before could you resend please?

Sure, but it was just a draft sketch I did on the spot, literally 5 minutes of work.

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

There are few BDSM-themed slavetats in AIO -> Deviantpack. They're pretty nice.
 

 

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by kapibar

[TheOpu123]

On 5/15/2022 at 8:21 AM, Balgin said:

I should have probably reported this ages ago. I was getting this as well as the cages at the stables being missing. It turns out I had to update Zaz animations and then everything worked just fine. Cages appeared, no crash when picking up party supplies (but the mother's amputation stopped happening and she'd be returned intact instead of with missing limbs).

 

I didn't report it because I presumed it was a mod conflict and spent a few days (or a few weeks) trying to work out why the cages were not appearing because I suspected it was related. Once I found out that it was Zaz animations being 3 or 4 years out of date that somehow fixed the party supplies crash as well. At that point I didn't report it because it was human error at my end (not knowing there was a more up to date version of Zaz). But yes. I have experienced this issue before (or one with the exact same symptoms).

 

On 5/15/2022 at 8:22 AM, Monoman1 said:

Yes actually the dance pole is enabled with the guests so it might be zaz < 8 maybe too

 

That was it, so to fix the party supplies from Sabjorn crash problem I just had to download the right version, mine was outdated, of zaz which is Zaz Animation Pack V 8.0 . Worked like a charm. Thanks for the help! Also 8+ didn't work only 8 did but that might of been my fault.

[audhol]

10 minutes ago, kapibar said:

There are few BDSM-themed slavetats in AIO -> Deviantpack. They're pretty nice.

whats the permisions on those packs? Can double M one use them as an alternative to the slut pack?

[kapibar]

14 minutes ago, audhol said:

whats the permisions on those packs? Can double M one use them as an alternative to the slut pack?

No clue honestly. The author of the pack removed his original work, however being asked about these graphics he directed user to AIO pack.
 

 

[audhol]

Stages 1 to 4 for both girl and slut. Stage 1 is common to both. C prefix to texture is combined so CDaddyStage4Slut is stages 1 to 4 combined. S prefix means its just the one stage so SDaddyStage4Slut is only the stage 4 tat.

 

 

Daddy.7z

[Monoman1]

Early dance spectator test. You'll er... have to pretend the PC is dancing on her pole.

 

 

<snipped to save space. See next video>

Edited May 18, 2022 by Monoman1

[leakim]

Woah, really cool!

 

Small question for you Monoman1: How are you approaching this next update given the seemingly massive scale of things you have set in motion: Can we expect one big-bang update or do you intend to release these features you are showcasing/talking about incrementally?

 

Why are you looking at me like that? It's not like I am impatient, spoiled kid! ^^

[Polonium]

38 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Early dance spectator test. You'll er... have to pretend the PC is dancing on her pole.

I'd just like to say that the voices in this clip sound great!

[GeorgiaCav]

This is the part that I keep thinking about. Just going off and finding Mother in a random hold isn't how I RP my characters; there's going to have to be some reason that she comes to doubt Father's word about Mother's whereabouts, AND risk traveling away from home, through dangers she's woefully unprepared to face, to find her. Even if she realizes that Father's lying, Skyrim is a big place: where does she start looking?

 

One way could be if she found something indicating where Mother really is. A letter from Father to Belethor, or maybe to Uncle Benji. In either case we can assume that Father wouldn't be careless enough to let such documents fall into the wrong hands, so they could be magically cursed to self-destruct if read by anyone but their intended recipients. No simply handing the letter over to Caius.

 

But she sees enough in the letter to know that Mother is being held by (NPC_Name) in (HOLD) as a slave or simply as a prisoner. Whoever's holding her has his own designs on the farm. When the PC shows up at his door, he offers to free mother and kill father in exchange for the farm. The PC and Mother would be expected to live there and work it as sharecroppers. (At this point, Mother could reveal the existence of Brother and Sister, who she'd thought were dead; she's been doing some digging of her own where she's been held, and found out that they're still alive. Mother and PC are going to need their help to work the farm.)

 

So: 

 

I. PC goes to Benji. Finds letter there from Father: "Stop asking so many questions. Don't worry about her. She won't be harmed, and I'll make sure you're well taken care of for your silence. If you want to see her, so you know I'm telling you the truth, you'll need to talk to (NPC)." PC and maybe Benji could worry that naming Mother's new owner is setting up an ambush. Possible outcomes of going to Benji:

1. Benji sends the PC back to Father unaware that PC has nicked the letter. PC follows up on her own when she can, if she wants to. This outcome could depend on whether PC reveals to Benji that she's seen the letter (and it's self-destructed).
2. Benji sends PC back to Father: "I don't want any trouble from that psychopath. Just serve him and leave me out of it."
3. Benji sends PC home with instructions to go find out for herself. "You wanna go find my sister, go ahead. I never had any use for the bitch, and being some rich asshole's fucktoy is all she ever wanted from life anyway." (3 and 4 are similar enough to be combined. This outcome happens based on dialogue choices. "Fine. I don't need your help."/ "Uncle Benji, please! You're the only one that can help me!")
4. He might agree to go with PC on the trip to find Mother. "You know what? She's my sister. And you, you're... Ah, fuck it, let's go get her back."

Alternately, PC might find out about it from Belethor. "Cyrodil? Is that where he told you he sent her? Ha ha ha! I always knew he had a sense of humor!" Or Belethor might have a non-self destructing copy of Father's plan or a letter giving a piece of it.

 

II. PC, or PC + Benji, go to find Mother. They learn that the NPC holding her is willing to make Father dead for the right price. Could be the farm, could be money, could be long-term access to the PC's body. Again, if the NPC expects to gain ownership of the farm, he'd want the family to sharecrop it, and this would allow Brother and Sister to be introduced. 

 

Just some thoughts. I'm mainly concerned that the PC won't be expected to just go randomly adventuring across Tamriel to find Mother. I would like to see a logical reason why she thinks taking the risk is worthwhile. The "I found a letter" trope is certainly overused in Skyrim, but it could also be an overheard conversation or some random lines of dialogue from Father, Belethor, or some of the party guests that clues the PC in on Mother's true condition and location.

[Clea Strange]

why would you want mother back if you the player character is submissive enough to father that their is no reason to even want to or worry about healing mom. Maybe you are so submissive to father that their is a option to tell father to stop healing mother and forget her which ends her life if you stop the healing right?

 

Edit: something that I think is vague is this, is father your characters step father or your characters bio father? 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Hiderius

[GeorgiaCav]

1 hour ago, Hiderius said:

why would you want mother back if you the player character is submissive enough to father that their is no reason to even want to or worry about healing mom. Maybe you are so submissive to father that their is a option to tell father to stop healing mother and forget her which ends her life if you stop the healing right?

 

Edit: something that I think is vague is this, is father your characters step father or your characters bio father? 

 

1, The  whole game is for RP. Don't want to save Mother? You can already let her die and ask Father to enslave you.

 

2. Step-father, per the PC's diary.