Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

Oh I was thinking more like you'd remain breeder until your uterus decided to cooperate...

[Monoman1]

5 hours ago, audhol said:

Its not a problem for me but if you split them then your going to use a slot for each in slavetats.

Yea I know. I think people won't mind the cost of 2/3/4/5 slots for modularity. 

 

5 hours ago, audhol said:

So I could do a bdsm theme pack to if you want

It's completely up to you. 

[Balgin]

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Oh I was thinking more like you'd remain breeder until your uterus decided to cooperate...

Which would hopefully give more time to discover the sister.

[audhol]

Stage 4

 

Lillith

Spoiler

Daughter

Spoiler

 

[Balgin]

3 minutes ago, audhol said:

Stage 4

 

Lillith

  Reveal hidden contents

Daughter

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Some of the stage 4 daughter images have some very abrupt cut off edges which feels a bit odd for a tattoo. Perhaps those edged could be adjusted a bit.

[jc321]

I trust given the progressive tattoos stages this will become a talking point amongst the guests at Father's party gatherings?

[kapibar]

30 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Oh I was thinking more like you'd remain breeder until your uterus decided to cooperate...

That's probably the simplest solution, but one thing concerns me: WT is not exactly diverse and rich in content. Trapping the player in it for longer will inevitably result in boredom, and that's a shot in the foot.

 

I personally don't mind, because I'm a grinder, but 90% of players will drop out somewhere along the way, or just get annoyed.

[Desvati]

16 minutes ago, kapibar said:

That's probably the simplest solution, but one thing concerns me: WT is not exactly diverse and rich in content. Trapping the player in it for longer will inevitably result in boredom, and that's a shot in the foot.

 

I personally don't mind, because I'm a grinder, but 90% of players will drop out somewhere along the way, or just get annoyed.

Or they'll just make the pregnancy period shorter. I don't imagine many people make it longer than a month on a basic level.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, audhol said:

Stage 4

Looks pretty good. Would agree with Balgin on the one's with a block background looking out of place. 

1 hour ago, jc321 said:

I trust given the progressive tattoos stages this will become a talking point amongst the guests at Father's party gatherings?

Seems logical but since the tats could be swapped out easily it probably would have to be pretty generic comments...

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

That's probably the simplest solution, but one thing concerns me: WT is not exactly diverse and rich in content. Trapping the player in it for longer will inevitably result in boredom, and that's a shot in the foot.

 

I personally don't mind, because I'm a grinder, but 90% of players will drop out somewhere along the way, or just get annoyed.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. 

I'm not sure how much control I can exert over FM/BF - Force the child to a certain gender.

I'm not even sure I CAN check the gender of the child at this point.

Also what happens if the child isn't even his...?

What about your sister? Does he try to get her pregnant as well?

Complicated...

[Monoman1]

 

 

Updated slightly. 

Opinions on:

- Starting point for sister's reveal?

- Placing Mother in a random hold. Finding her would give you a legitimate reason to explore. Confront Father when found. Removes healing upkeep? Can buy mother back for half her healing cost? But why would you want mother at this point? Mother is a real PITA to reconcile into the mod mechanics/plot. 

- Not sure about Benji sending thugs. How can a guy living in a shack, wearing rags afford to send hired goons. If I make him rich then why didn't he just pay for mother's healing himself... Yuck.

 

More suggestions for anything with a ????? or anything in general really.

 

LL seems to be compressing the image somewhat. Looks better on my desktop...

Edited May 16, 2022 by Monoman1

[Balgin]

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

 

Updated slightly. 

Opinions on:

- Starting point for sister's reveal?

- Placing Mother in a random hold. Finding her would give you a legitimate reason to explore. Confront Father when found. Removes healing upkeep? Can buy mother back for half her healing cost? But why would you want mother at this point? Mother is a real PITA to reconcile into the mod mechanics/plot. 

- Not sure about Benji sending thugs. How can a guy living in a shack, wearing rags afford to send hired goons. If I make him rich then why didn't he just pay for mother's healing himself... Yuck.

For the Sister - not everyone uses PAH slaves (I know I don't) so don't tie her appearance into the point in the mod at which father would start asking the daughter to go and get slaves for him.

 

Possibly have the sister just replace the mother's current Dragonsreach position so that she can be discovered relatively early. That feels wrong 'though for her to be available as soon as our girl becomes a servant. In that case maybe a threshold (depravity/submission etc) would unlock it and the father brings up the topic.

 

Not sure about the whole brother angle as that undermines the desire for a male heir. Perhaps he's competition (son of the mother's former husband). In that case, are the brother and the sister living together or separate? Does each know that the other exists? If the father made the mother get rid of her two other children then why did he keep this one? Did the mother beg to keep one? Did he make her choose between the two twins?

 

Exploring to find mother would take time. Time that you need to be spending at home working. Either have jobs that send the daughter to locations where the mother could be (like the piercing jobs) or put her in a very specific place and have a number of tasks that send the daughter close to that location. We don't want to make the discovery of the mother mandatory but we do want to make it possible (as opposed to being in some far flung location we're not even going to visit). Then again, perhaps after the Sister has been brought into the fold, maybe then we get sent to find our mother and bring her home and psychologically shock & break her when she sees that not even her other daughter could escape this man's depravity. That would be a rather different angle but could be something we do after we pay for her return. "you'll have to go and collect her to bring her home."

 

Reason for getting the mother back - maybe she helps around the house. We don't actually have to see her doing things but it could reduce the workload/increase cooldowns on father's demands (and father might get really perverted and ask for a threesome with both of them).

I'd honestly just completely remove Benji. It would make things much simpler.

[jc321]

13 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Starting point for sister's reveal?

- Placing Mother in a random hold. Finding her would give you a legitimate reason to explore. Confront Father when found. Removes healing upkeep? Can buy mother back for half her healing cost? But why would you want mother at this point? Mother is a real PITA to reconcile into the mod mechanics/plot. 

- Not sure about Benji sending thugs. How can a guy living in a shack, wearing rags afford to send hired goons. If I make him rich then why didn't he just pay for mother's healing himself... Yuck.

 

- Sister Reveal

    Triggered on Improvements to Farm (ie: once you get a horse, or rumours of parties) - Sister wondering what's changed - Or hears about sisters fame. Maybe hears about sister being pregnant 

 

- Placing Mother in Random hold - Might take a while to find her, could you randomise in certain bars/taverns around whiterun and riverwood? - Or if totally random could NPC's provide gossip hearing where she might be? 

 

- Benji and thugs - Well he could be a thug. The reason he lives in a shack is he's been outlawed from Whiterun/holds hence he lives as a hermit. His hired goons might be just favours .. May Benji was the leader at some point? - 

 

additional annoying things your sister could do.

Steal stuff from you (post collecting wood .. making food) - Outside that not sure if you already have a block on what you can hold

Plant stuff on player (ie: knife .. or food when you're not allowed proper food)

When locked in Jail -- Assume spending the night getting acquainted isn't just restricted to futa route?

 

One additional throw of ideas 

Always like the idea in ToH regarding the slave food bin and various disgusting foods to consume. You already have the option to ask for food and depending on attitude you either get something nice or something horrible (like a carrot!) but could horrible change at certain levels and/or could they provided by a slave food barrel (in the kitchen .. ). Could be leftovers from the party .. If Real Needs integration then could use rotten food options .. although customised ones sound great. 

  

 

[Monoman1]

Generally the narrative I was going for with siblings (which you can see at the beginning of the chart) is that you have an older brother and sister that were taken in a bandit raid when you were babies. This fairly loose narrative allows you to configure your family as you see fit....

No brother, no sister

Twin Sister, no brother

Sister, no brother

Sister and brother

No sister, brother.

etc etc.

 

We can say that brother/sister was killed/lost in the raid depending on configuration. 

 

We can also say that Mother/Father are the only ones aware that they exist. PC still thinks she's an only child. Then we can, whenever it is convenient, reveal sister/brother at points that help the plot along. 

 

Sister when you've been broken down. 

Brother possibly as an escape option. 

 

I'm happy enough with this setup unless someone has a better option that fits the mechanics. 

 

What I was really asking about there was about the point at which sister should be revealed to you. IMO it has to be at a point where Father more or less considers you broken in. Having fully progressed through your sex training and become pregnant seems like a logical place to me.

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

- Not sure about Benji sending thugs. How can a guy living in a shack, wearing rags afford to send hired goons. If I make him rich then why didn't he just pay for mother's healing himself... Yuck.

He doesn't have to be loaded. It's enough that he has friends. Father's not exactly a Carrington himself, but has proper connections. Benji lives in Riften, where it's not hard to find oneself in a proper circle. For me, it wouldn't be surprising if a guy like this knew some shady types who know other shady types. It's also not a stretch that he could tell some people that there's an extremely hot bitch they could rape, rob and sell and no one will bat an eye. Also, she's probably loaded.

 

In the bratty attitude scenario I'd also add rape. No point in prolonging the inevitable, player chose to be a problem, so the PC doesn't get her adaptation period. I don't know if it's possible/difficult, but maybe you should consider modifying the apology for a brat. If she refuses father's request, she gets the D anyway and spends 12h in the cellar bound, for a good measure. Good girls get leniency, bad girls get punshed.

Edited May 16, 2022 by kapibar

[Balgin]

29 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

We can also say that Mother/Father are the only ones aware that they exist. PC still thinks she's an only child. Then we can, whenever it is convenient, reveal sister/brother at points that help the plot along. 

 

Sister when you've been broken down. 

 

Perhaps once she's pregnant he tires of his current servant and fancies something a bit different. Sometimes he wants to shag a pregnant woman (or to sexually abuse her to keep her in her place) and sometimes he wants to bed one who's not pregnant. If you're going with the Sister is a Slag route then perhaps she was working as a whore instead of a servant. That doesn't tie in so well with the angle of forcing the corrupted daughter to entrap her innocent sibling and seeing her sister treated better would be a good punishment for expecting her to have it just as hard.

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

MO it has to be at a point where Father more or less considers you broken in.

 

Respectfully, I disagree. There's little point in adding the sister when PC is already broken, no psychological impact on her. She's already dead inside more or less, willingly sacrificing her body to a man who violated her on every conceivable level. Enslaving your own sister adds nothing to it, while it should be the new low for the PC. I think the sister quest should be enabled when amputated mother is back home. Father has a new leverage on the PC - either she brings him the sister, or the mother goes six feet under. You could also have a nice scene where mother tries to protest only to be silenced by father. Then she could refuse to eat, so the PC would have to force nursing soup on her. This would leave mother a broken husk of a human being, forcefully kept alive only by her daughter. Breaking the sister in such conditions would in fact be a new low for the PC. From there it's not hard to imagine she would be less of a human herself - traitorous slave, hating herself, but desperately wanting mother to live, still hoping. Sacrificing mother and becoming father's slavewife would be a final straw.

 

But then again one things always bugs me about the "ending" of WT. The PC still has one motivation to push forward - her child. From the psychological pov children are a powerful motivator to keep your shit together. So I think it should be un-alived to really brake the PC and turn her into a plaything. I'm thinking - going into the dark territory - maybe father could force the PC to poison the child. Asked about why he would want to kill his heir, he would reveal he has as many bastards as there are mountains in Skyrim. From the start he didn't really care and all he really wanted was to destroy the PC. This could kick-off the entire escape plan. In the end you get your revenge, but the character is completely broken and dirty.

[adle]

might there also be an option that PC's sister wont become dominant? 

so that both siblings would be serving father to eternity 

[Monoman1]

19 minutes ago, kapibar said:

when amputated mother is back home.

She may not make it that far. 

It's a good idea though. Using the mother as leverage. But again, we still haven't got that really killer reason to keep mother alive other than lame debuffs and the vague threat from your uncle. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Monoman1

[Monoman1]

9 minutes ago, adle said:

might there also be an option that PC's sister wont become dominant? 

so that both siblings would be serving father to eternity 

Sister being dominant doesn't mean you stop serving father. 

Sister is dominant over you but still submissive to Father. 

[adle]

5 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Sister being dominant doesn't mean you stop serving father. 

Sister is dominant over you but still submissive to Father. 

yeah i understand. but never played with dominant female NPC, because i like the idea that women in skyrim are make and being dominated by men. this is why im asking if there will be an option for non dom sister. just not my kind of immersion you know. 

 

if not, its okay too. but would prefer non dom sister. at the end, i will take everything you serve us

[kapibar]

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

She may not make it that far. 

Heh. I'm really wondering what you're cooking in that head of yours.

Alright then. Alternative. Father sets up PC for an epic failure. A one that gets you the rope. Then - he gives her a choice. It's either the rope, or she brings him the other collectible for the set - the sister. If player chooses the rope - game over. As to when... randomly, not sooner than 15-20 days after the mother's gone. The PC should be pretty tamed by then and still sinking. She should at the very least have casual sex with father, if not pregnant already.

[Monoman1]

3 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Heh. I'm really wondering what you're cooking in that head of yours.

Ah nothing cooking. I just meant that you may have failed to pay for the upkeep for mother thus allowing her to expire and thereby cutting you off from the sister plotline entirely.

Also I edited my post a little afterwards. Yea I know I'm a fucker for editing posts. 

3 minutes ago, adle said:

yeah i understand. but never played with dominant female NPC, because i like the idea that women in skyrim are make and being dominated by men. this is why im asking if there will be an option for non dom sister. just not my kind of immersion you know. 

 

if not, its okay too. but would prefer non dom sister. at the end, i will take everything you serve us

Well, we'll see. Non dom should be easier in theory right? Just don't make her dom...

Everything's simple until you actually get down to it though.

[tinkerbelle]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Yea I know. I think people won't mind the cost of 2/3/4/5 slots for modularity. 

Is it not possible to, instead of pieces of the whole tattoo being added to additional slots, to have partially completed tattoos which swap out the same slot?

 

[Monoman1]

5 minutes ago, tinkerbelle said:

Is it not possible to, instead of pieces of the whole tattoo being added to additional slots, to have partially completed tattoos which swap out the same slot?

 

Yes you can. But consider if say we have a system with 5 different stages of tats. And you come along and think "well I quite like stage 1, 2, 4 & 5 but I don't like stage 3" then you're in a bit of a bind. Because if you want to modify stage 3 then you'd also have to modify stages 4 & 5. 

 

If each stage is applied separately then you can swap out any single stage. 

 

It's ease of modification at the cost of slots. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Monoman1

[tinkerbelle]

26 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Yes you can. But consider if say we have a system with 5 different stages of tats. And you come along and think "well I quite like stage 1, 2, 4 & 5 but I don't like stage 3" then you're in a bit of a bind. Because if you want to modify stage 3 then you'd also have to modify stages 4 & 5. 

 

If each stage is applied separately then you can swap out any single stage. 

 

It's ease of modification at the cost of slots. 

OK.  Good call.  The next question would be, are the slots fixed or are they floating.  So if I had put tattoos on slots 1 & 2, would the first stage overwrite my tattoo in slot 1 or would it be put in slot 3?