Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[audhol]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Afraid I can't quite make out the 1st one. Is it a girl wearing a flowery hat? Sorry  might just be the angle.

It is exactly a girl wearing a flowery hat, I found the image for the daughter one then looked for a vanilla image that kinda matched the shape and size. As I'm redoing it I'm making lillith and daughter a mirror pair. What if you simply made an mcm option for daughter to use the same tats as lillith for those that find the cumslut ones to be uneasthetique?

 

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Def no a fan of the BBC aesthetics, so I'd like to submit an alternative.

Well I think its only black because of the shading but I agree its big! If monoman prefers your idea I'll use your image but I'm not sure it fits with the general idea of father wanting daughter to be a mindless cock craving slut. I'm trying to base the tattoo's on what I think monoman and pchs had in mind for the P.C. and the impression I get from playing the mod, I'm trying not to push what I think the tats should be which is why (as annoying as it might be for mono) I'm showing each stage of progress and asking for feedback. At the end of the day we have to remember that as users we can make suggestions to those that spend their time modding but the final decision rests with them. That was my main reasoning for stopping publishing on LL because I found that there where simply too many people that felt self entitled  to demand that things should be done exactly as they wanted. None of that is in anyway directed at you kapibar as you have simply made suggestions and demanded nothing I'm just trying to explain my point of view,

[kapibar]

20 minutes ago, audhol said:

I'm trying to base the tattoo's on what I think monoman and pchs had in mind for the P.C. and the impression I get from playing the mod

And you're doing a fine job. I'm just presenting a counterpoint. Someone should take the role of the advocate for the devil ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

[(\x.x x) (\x.x x)]

47 minutes ago, audhol said:

At the end of the day we have to remember that as users we can make suggestions to those that spend their time modding but the final decision rests with them. That was my main reasoning for stopping publishing on LL because I found that there where simply too many people that felt self entitled  to demand that things should be done exactly as they wanted. None of that is in anyway directed at you kapibar as you have simply made suggestions and demanded nothing I'm just trying to explain my point of view,

 

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience, especially so, since I think you made some awesome assets for Toys, if I am not mistaken.

W.r.t. the topic at hand, I appreciate that you provide mm1 with options, so he does not have to do everything on his own, but

I also have to agree fundamentally with kapibar: Options are good (until the MCM overwhelms you).

For instance, I found the fact that Milkmod milks you on a orgasm extremely frustrating (in a bad way)

when playing Wartimes tweak, especially after finding out that there used to be an option to disable this feature.

 

But in this case, I think the goal could be achieved rather easily by

replacing the images with an override, so I don't think that is a real concern here.

It would, however, be nice to have several alternatives provided by this thread.

This can easily be achieved by providing (a) separate mod(s) that provide replacement images (no esp).

If mm1 does not object these can be even published and maintained by other people.

So, maybe you could just bundle your alternatives that didn't make it, into such a thing, or have

someone else do it (assuming your consent).

 

47 minutes ago, audhol said:

I'm trying to base the tattoo's on what I think monoman and pchs had in mind for the P.C. and the impression I get from playing the mod (...)

 

I am sometimes really confused, what the intention is for some mods here on LL. This one is different though, but only because mm1 actually explains where he want to go rather frequently, but still you have to read a lot, on how things are supposed to interact. So an author's recommendation on how it's meant to be played would be appreciated as a starting point, you can stray away from at you own peril.

 

@Monoman1

So I just ask one question that really interests me: What is the timescale you play on?

Edited May 15, 2022 by (\x.x x) (\x.x x)
Question for mm1

[(\x.x x) (\x.x x)]

21 minutes ago, kapibar said:

And you're doing a fine job. I'm just presenting a counterpoint. Someone should take the role of the advocate for the devil ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

I think that is valuable. In this spirit, I just want to mention that I like the sister idea, but not as a futa.

But from what I read, it is will be optional so I didn't bother to write that.

 

[audhol]

55 minutes ago, (\x.x x) (\x.x x) said:

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience, especially so, since I think you made some awesome assets for Toys

Yep and it wasn't one bad experience, just a general mindset that I still see in a lot of threads, Anyways....

 

So...............ummm...............well.............. Y'all gonna hate it but here is "my" idea for stage 3 (sorry kapi)

Spoiler

Lillith

Spoiler

Daughter

Spoiler

Daughter From a distance aint so shocking!

 

[jc321]

@audhol I thought an approach where the sister gets nicely drawn tattoos and your PC gets really badly drawn (or just scrawls) could be an option. Your tattoos are fantastically drawn. I hate the fact that they would be on my PC but isn't that the point! - it's meant to be degrading/humiliating. 

 

 

[Monoman1]

I think bdsm/slavery is fair game for tats. Its core for the mod but I'll let audhol decide the details. As a creator I find that the best stuff you come up with is stuff you're interested in. And as was said you can swap them out/turn it off etc. 

 

I know this is late but maybe we should apply each stage separately? That would make it even more modular...

 

1 hour ago, (\x.x x) (\x.x x) said:

What is the timescale you play on?

5 ? 

[Monoman1]

44 minutes ago, audhol said:

 

So...............ummm...............well.............. Y'all gonna hate it but here is "my" idea for stage 3 (sorry kapi)

Thumbs up from me.

Appreciate your work/patience. 

[Balgin]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I usually crank it up too. 

But not usually longer than a month. 

Yeah. I tend to go for the whole nine months........

 

it's kind of traditional (and more immersive/believable for me).

Edited May 15, 2022 by Balgin

[Monoman1]

22 minutes ago, Balgin said:

Yeah. I tend to go for the whole nine months........

 

it's kind of traditional (and more immersive/believable for me).

Uuhhh. Gonna be fun for you if I add a gender check for the baby...

[Balgin]

26 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Uuhhh. Gonna be fun for you if I add a gender check for the baby...

Sure. You take a wedding ring and tie it to a piece of string and dangle it over the pregnant woman's belly. You can tell which sex the child is by which way the ring begins to turn.

 

Or so old wives do tell. Perhaps the father could send the girl to Arcadia to have her check for him. She could probably concoct some kind of potion then check the colour of the girl's pee (or the father could check after she gets home and the potion's had time to work it's way through her system). No need for actual unique urine colour visual effects if it's a waste of resources. If.

 

I swear every new idea delays the next update even further.

[audhol]

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I think bdsm/slavery is fair game for tats. Its core for the mod but I'll let audhol decide the details. As a creator I find that the best stuff you come up with is stuff you're interested in. And as was said you can swap them out/turn it off etc. 

 

I know this is late but maybe we should apply each stage separately? That would make it even more modular...

Its not a problem for me but if you split them then your going to use a slot for each in slavetats.

 

Its fun to make the tats So I could do a bdsm theme pack to if you want or if someone else wants to have a go but they're not sure how to do it I could do a little guide. You just need to be familiar with working with layers and alpha properties in gimp or another paint program.

 

 

[kapibar]

  

8 hours ago, Balgin said:

Yeah. I tend to go for the whole nine months........

Same here. It's pregnancy. It's supposed to take forever.

 

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Uuhhh. Gonna be fun for you if I add a gender check for the baby...

So, honey, are we having a son or an abortion?

[Balgin]

3 hours ago, kapibar said:

So, honey, are we having a son or an abortion?

I foresee lots of spicy Redgaurd food in her future. That, and lots of alcohol, and being hit in the stomach repeatedly with an iron bar.

[kapibar]

5 minutes ago, Balgin said:

I foresee lots of spicy Redgaurd food in her future. That, and lots of alcohol, and being hit in the stomach repeatedly with an iron bar.

She could also have an appointment for a gravity therapy in Dr. Staircase's clinic.

 

My only concern is that I think the sex of the offspring in Beeing Female is randomly assigned after the birth. If I'm correct in my assumption - Mono wold have to do his favourite thing and create a patch.

[Monoman1]

Oh I was thinking more like you'd remain breeder until your uterus decided to cooperate...

[Monoman1]

5 hours ago, audhol said:

Its not a problem for me but if you split them then your going to use a slot for each in slavetats.

Yea I know. I think people won't mind the cost of 2/3/4/5 slots for modularity. 

 

5 hours ago, audhol said:

So I could do a bdsm theme pack to if you want

It's completely up to you. 

[Balgin]

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Oh I was thinking more like you'd remain breeder until your uterus decided to cooperate...

Which would hopefully give more time to discover the sister.

[audhol]

Stage 4

 

Lillith

Spoiler

Daughter

Spoiler

 

[Balgin]

3 minutes ago, audhol said:

Stage 4

 

Lillith

  Reveal hidden contents

Daughter

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Some of the stage 4 daughter images have some very abrupt cut off edges which feels a bit odd for a tattoo. Perhaps those edged could be adjusted a bit.

[jc321]

I trust given the progressive tattoos stages this will become a talking point amongst the guests at Father's party gatherings?

[kapibar]

30 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Oh I was thinking more like you'd remain breeder until your uterus decided to cooperate...

That's probably the simplest solution, but one thing concerns me: WT is not exactly diverse and rich in content. Trapping the player in it for longer will inevitably result in boredom, and that's a shot in the foot.

 

I personally don't mind, because I'm a grinder, but 90% of players will drop out somewhere along the way, or just get annoyed.

[Desvati]

16 minutes ago, kapibar said:

That's probably the simplest solution, but one thing concerns me: WT is not exactly diverse and rich in content. Trapping the player in it for longer will inevitably result in boredom, and that's a shot in the foot.

 

I personally don't mind, because I'm a grinder, but 90% of players will drop out somewhere along the way, or just get annoyed.

Or they'll just make the pregnancy period shorter. I don't imagine many people make it longer than a month on a basic level.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, audhol said:

Stage 4

Looks pretty good. Would agree with Balgin on the one's with a block background looking out of place. 

1 hour ago, jc321 said:

I trust given the progressive tattoos stages this will become a talking point amongst the guests at Father's party gatherings?

Seems logical but since the tats could be swapped out easily it probably would have to be pretty generic comments...

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

That's probably the simplest solution, but one thing concerns me: WT is not exactly diverse and rich in content. Trapping the player in it for longer will inevitably result in boredom, and that's a shot in the foot.

 

I personally don't mind, because I'm a grinder, but 90% of players will drop out somewhere along the way, or just get annoyed.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. 

I'm not sure how much control I can exert over FM/BF - Force the child to a certain gender.

I'm not even sure I CAN check the gender of the child at this point.

Also what happens if the child isn't even his...?

What about your sister? Does he try to get her pregnant as well?

Complicated...

[Monoman1]

 

 

Updated slightly. 

Opinions on:

- Starting point for sister's reveal?

- Placing Mother in a random hold. Finding her would give you a legitimate reason to explore. Confront Father when found. Removes healing upkeep? Can buy mother back for half her healing cost? But why would you want mother at this point? Mother is a real PITA to reconcile into the mod mechanics/plot. 

- Not sure about Benji sending thugs. How can a guy living in a shack, wearing rags afford to send hired goons. If I make him rich then why didn't he just pay for mother's healing himself... Yuck.

 

More suggestions for anything with a ????? or anything in general really.

 

LL seems to be compressing the image somewhat. Looks better on my desktop...

Edited May 16, 2022 by Monoman1