Corsayr Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 No serious or "expert" people are making these claims
Corsayr Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tyrant99 said: *Shrug* It can hardly be one without being the other. ?
Guest Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 I only said my opinion, if you do not like what you hear this is not the reason for this kind of discussion you impose
Corsayr Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kokan said: I only said my opinion, if you do not like what you hear this is not the reason for this kind of discussion you impose But your opinion (that healthy people are not at risk) is terribly misinformed, and incredibly dangerous to be sharing around. This is not a "which is the better DC or Marvel" level opinion. You are actively amplifying a line of thought that is leading to the unnecessary deaths of many people.
27X Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Kokan said: healthy people don't die ... so much for the deadly virus. it is enough to isolate the old and the sick. Wrong, but not terribly surprising considering the source; already enough data you can't copy paste your way out of this argument. 1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said: your mod comments. lol.
Guest Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Corsayr said: No serious or "expert" people are making these claims
Corsayr Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kokan said: ??? He is the dumbest fucker on the planet, neither an expert or anyone to be listened to in any serious fashion whatsoever.
Psalam Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Corsayr said: ??? He is the dumbest fucker on the planet, neither an expert or anyone to be listened to in any serious fashion whatsoever. I am no Trump fan but I want to remind you, and everyone else, of the site rules (specifically #9): In an effort to keep the site & community inviting and friendly we do not allow several categories of conversation. This is not intended as censorship or endorsement of any particular view, but rather a move to keep this site neutral and open. The categories of conversation that are not welcome include those discussing politics and religion. Too often these discussions descend into pointless bickering and lead to offending one party or the other (if not both). This sends the wrong message of what this site is all about. There are plenty of forums, blogs and other online outlets available for these types of conversations, this site is not one of them. Please everyone, stay away from politics BEFORE the moderators feel that this thread needs to be closed.
Grey Cloud Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kokan said: Again you are posting nonsense. He called it 'Chinese' because that is where it was/is thought to originate. The 'Spanish' flu of 100 years ago is so-called because it first came to light in Spain - no one was accusing the Spanish of causing it. Whether Trump can be described as 'serious' or 'expert' is another topic entirely. A couple of weeks ago he was saying that America would carry on regardless as it wouldn't be such a big deal. Next thing he is announcing a record package for recovery on top of all the other measures he has had to introduce to combat this thing. FYI the Daily Mail is a right-wing rag beloved of the Little Englanders while the Guardian is a left-wing rag beloved of what the Americans would call 'Liberals'. So if you could manage to read anything in full then you would find that the Mail was sympathetic to Trump's comment while the Guardian was anything but.
Tron91 Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 Moral of the story: Don't get the virus. If you get it, you give it to your family, you may be young and have good immunity, but the elderly and sickly in your home might not. And believe me no one likes a funeral in their home.
Grey Cloud Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Corsayr said: This is not a "which is the better DC or Marvel" level opinion. ? ? ? Exactly. This virus thing is on a level with "Should I stick with LE or make the move to SE".
Tron91 Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus So whats wrong with naming a virus from its place of origin?
Corsayr Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: ? ? ? Exactly. This virus thing is on a level with "Should I stick with LE or make the move to SE". yes exactly! life and death stuff! ?
Corsayr Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tron91 said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus So whats wrong with naming a virus from its place of origin? Because the people who discover it get to name it and they named it COVID-19 ?
Guest Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Again you are posting nonsense. He called it 'Chinese' because that is where it was/is thought to originate. The 'Spanish' flu of 100 years ago is so-called because it first came to light in Spain - no one was accusing the Spanish of causing it. Whether Trump can be described as 'serious' or 'expert' is another topic entirely. A couple of weeks ago he was saying that America would carry on regardless as it wouldn't be such a big deal. Next thing he is announcing a record package for recovery on top of all the other measures he has had to introduce to combat this thing. FYI the Daily Mail is a right-wing rag beloved of the Little Englanders while the Guardian is a left-wing rag beloved of what the Americans would call 'Liberals'. So if you could manage to read anything in full then you would find that the Mail was sympathetic to Trump's comment while the Guardian was anything but. the virus already has its name, i see that the insults are your arguments so i have nothing more to say to you
Grey Cloud Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Corsayr said: Because the people who discover it get to name it and they named it COVID-19 And were promptly ignored by the British who continue to call it the 'coronavirus'. Probably because 'COVID-19' sounds like an indie band whereas 'coronavirus' sounds Latin.
27X Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, Kokan said: 1. You said healthy people don't get sick, which is so many kinds of factually incorrect it's not even worth discussing. 2. You brought nothing to this statement; your first 'source' is op ed by 12 scientists, NONE of whom say what you said even a little bit (1) says this is new virus and the government is overreacting, he does not say anything like you said. He says the opposite, and then shows how the overreaction is relative to the current death toll, he in fact agrees the virus is deadly, just not as deadly as the reaction is warranting. (2) Says the reaction to the virus is entirely political, and he's right. He then says in his opinion there isn't enough data to warrant the level of reaction. He says nothing about how effective or ineffective the virus is. (3) Says chinese data is super reliable and totally to be trusted. (4) Says we don't have enough reliable data yet to warrant the current reaction (5) Says the internet is magnifying the reaction and we still don't know what it should be (6) Herd Immunity/Old people die all the time (7) We don't have the resources to do what we're doing. (8) An old guy with a bad heart caught a similar strain and died (9) We don't have enough data to make any decision (10) We know from past outbreaks that the side effects of this action do more damage than the virus itself, just because they aren't lethal doesn't mean it's not dangerous (11) We should be spending more money and time managing the outbreak differently in degrees (12) Big Pharma are assholes So a lot of them have valid points on the reaction and logistics, none of them say anything close to what you said other than isolating the old and sick is "enough", at all. Then you post a trump press conference where he's trying to leverage public opinion against China because he's is the middle of trade negotiations with them, which had nothing to do with the virus and began before the virus was even known about in Wuhan. Then you finish up with "everyone always blames russia for everything" which has jack shit to do with anything. Maybe try a better copy pasta recipe next time, cause $50 patreon ain't around to cover you
Guest Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, 27X said: 1. You said healthy people don't get sick, which is so many kinds of factually incorrect it's not even worth discussing. read again "You said healthy people don't get sick" go and read what I wrote, as far as I'm concerned the conversation is over
AKM Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 More from him. Young people ARE at risk: How to keep from catching this:
Grey Cloud Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, AKM said: And you know for a fact that this guy is a surgeon and not some publicity seeking ego. Oh wait. He's wearing a surgeon's gown so he must really be a surgeon. If a surgeon in this country came up with anything like this they would be struck off. You could also ask yourself what a surgeon would know about catching a virus that the virologists don't. I hope the books in the background aren't his text books. They look a hundred years old. 1 hour ago, Alkpaz said: Little more explanation None needed. Frightened people trying to leave an overcrowded and unhygienic city and get back to their families in the more rural areas. 1 hour ago, Alkpaz said: Coming to a nation near you! Why not try and keep your misery to yourself?
Grey Cloud Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 Coronavirus: The fake Bill Gates post and other claims to ignore https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52039642
Bazinga Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: And you know for a fact that this guy is a surgeon and not some publicity seeking ego. Oh wait. He's wearing a surgeon's gown so he must really be a surgeon. If a surgeon in this country came up with anything like this they would be struck off. You could also ask yourself what a surgeon would know about catching a virus that the virologists don't. His explanations on what this virus does was actually pretty good as far as I can tell. I'm just another layman of course but I have 2 biochemists in the family who could tell me a little more so this all sounded very familiar. Including the fact that this is much more serious than your usual flu. I think analyzing statistics isn't his strong suit though. He keeps talking about 10% deaths in Italy and stuff like that without even knowing the number of infected there. It's not like you could just take the official number and do the math, testing and reporting has to be very extensive for that to make sense. So this part is alarmist and a little idiotic. I suspect that the death rate in Italy is much higher than it should be though, they are simply overwhelmed and people are suffocating because of a lack of respirators.
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