Sexlab Survival

[Gwentag]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

Do you have MME?

Problem with that is once you need to milk, you need to milk more and more often, and machines in fixed locations just aren't enough.

Can't you do mobile milking somehow?

 

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

I doubt you'll ever see it go above two.

Will it be something you'll try to fix?

Not much point in me adding events that increase the number of followers required at toll gates if there's no real repercussions for it....

4 hours ago, macnchz said:

any chance of pickpocket during sex?

Picking their pocket while they're naked eh?

4 hours ago, macnchz said:

other ideas - sex exchange for carriage rides, sex exchange for merchant bartering, 

I'd rather the focus of the mod be on taking your gold. It puts pressure on you to do things you might not like - stealing, picking pockets, whoring, begging, dancing, selling things you kind of want to keep etc. If I start putting in short cuts then it kind of takes your choice away - If there's a dialogue option right there then you're probably going to pick it as it's just too convenient. 

I mean you can always just beg for gold from the carriage driver and pay him with that. There's not much difference. 

4 hours ago, macnchz said:

adding a real reason to use miling machines.  i dont see a RP reason right now (maybe im missing it)  I would think the PC would be debuffed soo much so that she would gladly jump into a machine to relieve (whatever debuff is diving me crazy)  

Milk addict is the only mod I know of to actually add motivations for you to drink milk and be milked.  

Main reason other than that to get into using milk is for the speed buff. So many mods debuff speed and it's probably one of the worst penalties to have - Use milk as a counter balance. 

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Problem with that is once you need to milk, you need to milk more and more often, and machines in fixed locations just aren't enough.

Turn down global milk production rate in the debug menu. I think 10% is as low as it'll go in MME but milk addict has an override slider that'll let you set it as low as 1%.

Turn down lactacid bonus rate. 

Try not to get overloaded with lactacid. The more lactacid in your system the faster you produce milk. - Turn on 'lactacid ceiling' in milk addict. And/Or turn up lactacid decay rate in MME. 

Get spank that ass - Tit slaps have a chance to trigger milk leak. 

Get nipple piercings that'll trigger milk leak on vibe events. 

 

Just some of the ways I control milk rates. 

33 minutes ago, Gwentag said:

Can't you do mobile milking somehow?

Yes. You can define an armor as a mobile milker in the MME mcm. 

This might interest you: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1546-mobile-milker-armor-hdt-cbbeunpb-bodyslide-un7b-hdt-vagina/

 

Put the armor on and hold down the milking key for a while to begin milking. Once milking starts hold down the milking key again to interrupt the milking animations but allow the milking process to continue. That way you can adventure on while being milked without returning to town for a pump. I think the quality of the milks produced from pumps is, on average, better than when mobile milked though. 

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Yes. You can define an armor as a mobile milker in the MME mcm. 

You can do mobile milking, but that tends to lead to even more milk production, and the point was to observe that MME isn't properly designed to make it milk machine-centric. You will inevitably have to resort to mobile milking.

 

I wasn't aware that Milk Addict could reduce the production level further. Even with MME turned down a lot, it still tends to feedback loops.

The internal logic is over complex, and I have some doubts it does quite what it's intended to.

I've spotted bugs in there before, and other have spotted more. I don't think they're all gone, or ever will be when it has so many contingent behaviours.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Will it be something you'll try to fix?

As I deal with each follower framework.

So it won't get fixed for all of them all at once.

[Gwentag]

15 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

You can do mobile milking, but that tends to lead to even more milk production, and the point was to observe that MME isn't properly designed to make it milk machine-centric. You will inevitably have to resort to mobile milking.

 

I wasn't aware that Milk Addict could reduce the production level further. Even with MME turned down a lot, it still tends to feedback loops.

The internal logic is over complex, and I have some doubts it does quite what it's intended to.

I've spotted bugs in there before, and other have spotted more. I don't think they're all gone, or ever will be when it has so many contingent behaviours.

You do also have the option to place milk machines yourself with campfire I think

[Gwentag]

I have an idea tho, how about adding more begging dialogue to the NPC's, because I think the im a whore conversation gets repetitive pretty quickly. I'm just talking about the part after you agree to do whatever they want you to do. 

Or what about a chance that they turn you down because of how filthy you are. Maybe an interaction with bathing in Skyrim?

[Bushi Neko]

14 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

You can do mobile milking, but that tends to lead to even more milk production, and the point was to observe that MME isn't properly designed to make it milk machine-centric. You will inevitably have to resort to mobile milking.

YEP! I actually enjoy that part, because I make ( ME ) work to find ways. The BREAST ROPES are a nice option for prior to having a mobile system or between locations. But they carry a penalty for resorting to them of course.   I ve never myself found an armor to add on my own tho', that I think would fit the idea of milking. 

17 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I wasn't aware that Milk Addict could reduce the production level further. Even with MME turned down a lot, it still tends to feedback loops.

The internal logic is over complex, and I have some doubts it does quite what it's intended to.

I've spotted bugs in there before, and other have spotted more. I don't think they're all gone, or ever will be when it has so many contingent behaviours.

YES! And the Milk Addict ( nod to @Monoman1 ) function seems to work on override SO MUCH better than the core of MME, because as you said, I do not feel it works right either.  Nor ever has. Many many updates for just addressing that whole system in the history if I recall.  While I have @Monoman1 attention. Once again, AMAZING UPDATE.  Only one issue 4 me ATM, the TAKE CLOTHES does not function 100%  I ve lost clothes a few times and sometimes follower gets ticked and says the line about clothes, with no taking ( normal? ) and others they take them.  Also, is it supposed to function always or just on SLS event? Because it never works outside event for me so far.  <shrug> 

Begging is hard work... who knew?

Spoiler

A simple tunic really cost this much?.... 

 

[Bushi Neko]

18 minutes ago, Gwentag said:

You do also have the option to place milk machines yourself with campfire I think

Yes, tho the CAMP MILKER weighs a ton. I find it's only beneficial if your setting up some kind of permanent thing, or like when you own a home as it has positioner built in. Carrying it.. is a burdern…  

AND THIS:  Since we have no bathing tied in with amputation, that sounds awesomesauce. I RP that you have to pay to use bathing too in inns'. That's just a side note.

14 minutes ago, Gwentag said:

Or what about a chance that they turn you down because of how filthy you are. Maybe an interaction with bathing in Skyrim?

[Gwentag]

3 minutes ago, Bushi Neko said:

Yes, tho the CAMP MILKER weighs a ton. I find it's only beneficial if your setting up some kind of permanent thing, or like when you own a home as it has positioner built in. Carrying it.. is a burdern…  

 

Maybe that's just the a burden a milk maid has to carry

[Monoman1]

13 minutes ago, Gwentag said:

I have an idea tho, how about adding more begging dialogue to the NPC's, because I think the im a whore conversation gets repetitive pretty quickly. I'm just talking about the part after you agree to do whatever they want you to do. 

Or what about a chance that they turn you down because of how filthy you are. Maybe an interaction with bathing in Skyrim?

The begging dialogue is already really, really, really complicated. I messed up when I put them all in the same branch but I didn't originally think it'd get that big. It makes adding to it or even just working on it very tricky. 

I might be able to make small adjustments but not much. 

8 minutes ago, Bushi Neko said:

Only one issue 4 me ATM, the TAKE CLOTHES does not function 100%  I ve lost clothes a few times and sometimes follower gets ticked and says the line about clothes, with no taking ( normal? ) and others they take them.  Also, is it supposed to function always or just on SLS event? Because it never works outside event for me so far.  <shrug> 

That event was pretty much made redundant with earlier changes to licences and followers (where your licences applied to the party as a whole). It's got no 'real conditions' backing it up but it triggers now and then so and I think it's nice so I left it that way. 

TBH it'd be better off in a dominant follower mod of some sorts. 

[Monoman1]

BTW I have noticed what I think is a bug with RND. 

 

The new drug fatigue thing will override sleep deprivation. So to avoid this wait for the drug effect to wear off first before sleeping. I'll look into it later. 

[Bushi Neko]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

That event was pretty much made redundant with earlier changes to licences and followers (where your licences applied to the party as a whole). It's got no 'real conditions' backing it up but it triggers now and then so and I think it's nice so I left it that way. 

TBH it'd be better off in a dominant follower mod of some sorts. 

That makes sense. Tho' it would appeal in a Dominant follower mod, I like it suddenly more now that I see that in an idea I just had. It makes it seem more like random on if they take it or not, and also ( mentally ) ties in with using Mortal as maybe they don't take it for the fit? <chuckle>  Some things I wind up in I doubt my male Dom type followers would be interested in at all tho'.   Except maybe Ulfric from @donttouchmethere s video.  

[Krazyone]

21 hours ago, Bushi Neko said:

I think you meant me in the quote, since I am the one that said that.  

 

Indeed. I gave up on FO4 long ago. Maybe some day modders will make it worth the effort. But it left such a bland taste.

Yet here I am, still in Skyrim. Miserable and having the best gaming time ever. I think I may have finally hit a LO I absolutely love.  After years of getting a collection I am totally thrilled at the play now. It's much much more than stomping dungeons and fighting. Day to day living is essential and core. I can spend literal days in RL not even adventuring with having a blast trying to get myself ready for the world.  Recently my lil' Bosmer alter ego spent several game days alone at the Falkreath cabin just trying to sort her life out a little bit.  Once brave enuf' to travel out.. well. Things have progressed to a really ROUGH time. And it's a blast!  I ve lost followers, lost a child, been pimped out, been hungry, been cold, been diseased.. I am thinking as her.. WHY DID I LEAVE THE CABIN!?!  All the time I have spent on mod collecting and tweaking is totally worth it for just a few days of loving a character. Which tho' some update will come along and probably kill off for me.. but who cares! The fun is there. And the modding is half the hobby. 

 

I start with monoman's default, then adjust based on character race etc. IE my Bosmer female started at only 130 for carry weight.  All my Bosmer are tiny. In my mind they just should be. So that means not very strong either.  Gotta toughen' up over time.

 

Mine spend a lot of time that way. And Cold. Very cold often. I only allow the thin cloaks to be excluded by survival. The idea being they want women to know their place, but not just automatically freeze to death.  Plus I have SLAdventures crime set for curfew at night. So I often have to pick the worst place to lay down just to get off the streets. < Oh no! > 

Lots of time I use Dancing to make money. I use SD Dance for a base for gold ( minus train run ) then dance to Lets Dance Again.  It is a time sink. but to me a great RP for getting money without just whoring or whatever.   I use Radiant Prost. for that. I have it set to a stupid low also. No getting rich slinging the tail. 

 

Tough..  is the fun! Have a great adventure!!!!

 

They do. I agree. I have nothing that lets me simply sell them. Selling them as a woman is forbidden. Even a Slaver Woman is forbidden. hehehe. 

 

Gawd.. I am a terrible to women in Skyrim woman...  ?  Wonder if I am in danger of losing my girl license over this??? 

Yeah... I meant you in the post, but the quote got messed up.

 

I agree, Fallout 4 has a lot of problems. At level 40, the player becomes a Demi-God in the game. With dying becoming very unlikely. Water farms gave you unlimited cash, food was given to you freely in settlements, when it would leave the settlement without food.

 

I made a Save Game Start, and huge mod-list. That solves all the problems, that I published on The Nexus. Called Where Am I.

 

No Free food, No water farms as the water is Radioactive still, have to hunt each day to eat. Start out in new location, drugged and alcohol'd into addiction, dressed like a prostitute, first gun is a custom tranq gun that is brilliant, settlers had actually built up their settlements, soo no lazy settlers waiting for you to do all the work.

Check it out... even if you don't play it, I love it, and only play with that set-up. With it being The Nexus, the Sexlab stuff is missing from the mod-list.

Some settlements, even have Minecraft style mob farms. Which I always build.

 

 

 

Back to Skyrim...

 

Weak character... it always bothered me, that my tiny female characters I created, had the strength of The Hulk. So I'm trying with a weak character, which takes a completely different play-style to do. I had to do that with Fallout 4, but caved in with a Backpack mod for immersion, as scrapping is essential to base building.

Weak characters = No hoarding, only bare minimum.

 

Always hungry and thirsty... I just loaded up Sexlab Adventures, to try it again. But found the Curfew options, only give a fine. I would have like a few more options to really encourage the player to stay indoors after curfew. Such as Devious Devices Equipping as punishment, Rape, Robbery, waking up naked in field after being knocked out, etc.

I don't know which mod is SD Dance... if you post a link, I'd be happy... 

I do like adding immersion and a little realism to Skyrim. Tough Skyrim, along with a play-through theme. Currently, weak, downtrodden pauper. My favourite Fallout 4 character theme...

 

I'm also thinking of adding some items to the exclusion list, for immersion. Maybe underwear, certain clothes, immersive weapons, backpacks. Cloaks, as you said in your reply. Maybe gloves and boots for Frostfall, so I can survive up North, in the colder areas.

 

I got my weapons taken off me at the gate, I said I needed to defend myself. So he gave me a butter knife... 

 

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, Krazyone said:

I got my weapons taken off me at the gate, I said I needed to defend myself. So he gave me a butter knife..

Ah-Ah. Kitchen knife. Way better than a butter knife

I had wondered if anyone had seen that little nugget of dialogue. 

[SamBooka]

After update: bikini curse debuff goes active no matter what i wear (even naked). Did i miss/forget something.

[Monoman1]

4 minutes ago, SamBooka said:

After update: bikini curse debuff goes active no matter what i wear (even naked). Did i miss/forget something.

Are you wearing heels? Heels are required now. Hdt heels or NiO heels above a configurable height. You can turn it off.

Check the bikini licence section of the mcm. It'll tell you what's triggering it. 

[NicoleDragoness]

I'm giving a try to this mod because I'm always interested to your work. It's normally well done and almost bugfree  and fun.

 

Considering first that in my playgame normally I replace all essential status with a more practical protected one, I have to say one thing:

 

I am the Dragonborn. Even if a ... female ... I already slayed Alduin, Miraak and Harkon. I'm the Thane of ALL holds, Harbinger and Archmage.

So, when the toll collector at the Whiterun main gate said that I'm a "bleah woman only worth to be into an inn or brothel" and tried to impose me an escort ...

Well, ten minutes later Whiterun was a ghost town!

 

Seriously, I can understand and accept the toll, the licence and so on but .... an "escort" to the Dragonborn, demi-god heroine? Really?

I felt a lack of something like DYKWIA. Especially considering that I saved the entire city from a Dragon when I was "only" at level 7. And now I'm at level 70.

[Skata20]

Hello! Anyone playing in SE can tell me if it's working there? 

[jbezorg]

On 10/15/2019 at 8:16 AM, Monoman1 said:

Would it not be simpler just to:

A) reduce the prices of the restraints (Why are they so valuable? Especially since they're so damn common). 

B) Just not be able to sell devices (which is what I do). 

 

They skew the economy too much. More misfortune (getting locked in devices) = more fortune really when you can sell them after. 

Or just remove DD items from the inventory if the escape method is anything other than using a key. At the least this should be done when the escape method is cutting them. For struggling out there could be a high percentage chance of jamming and/or damaging the lock rendering the DD item valueless.

[jbezorg]

On 10/15/2019 at 1:27 AM, donttouchmethere said:

I fear it's from DF not from SLS

If it's this dialog:

Guard to PC: "where is your master?"

after searching a potential follower

PC to follower: "can you pretend to be my master?"

...something like that

Thanks. Yeah that's it. I should really go through the mod list and clean house. There's 80+ mods listed in my MCM menu. Tracking down the cause is a PITA. 

[donttouchmethere]

18 minutes ago, jbezorg said:

Thanks. Yeah that's it. I should really go through the mod list and clean house. There's 80+ mods listed in my MCM menu. Tracking down the cause is a PITA. 

And can be also in vain, because DEC has some similar Guard dialog (partly same word by word) but it's deactivated now, because it was unfinished (or at least it's deactivated if guard dialog on the DEC MCM enslavement tab is unticked). That made my confusion complete after searching for that dialog in TESV.

 

Somehow the DF guard dialog gets stuck often on my setup and I have a guard follower until the famous "arrow in the knee" happens. ?

[Krazyone]

Minor Bug... TrilbJorn Stone Tooth, in Whiterun. Forced oral sex on my female character, and then threw coins at her. The scattered coins on the floor where classed as stealing. Great effect, but could not pick them up, as it was classed as stealing. I was in the prison, surrounded by guards.

                             They need to be Player Ownership.

 

Minor Bug 2... I've got a fine, TrilbJorn Stone Tooth, in Whiterun he told me. So I can't get my gear until I pay it. The payment box, isn't clearing it,

                            and Trilbjorn does not have a pay me option. I had the problem before the update, using version 0.566. Along with the updated version 0.567.

 

It may be my huge mod-list to blame, as I'm still testing it. But an option to directly pay the Enforcers and their bosses would be a nice dialogue option.

    A dialogue option, would be handy for when I pass through Riverwood. As they always nab me there, slapping me with a Paupers collar, and stealing all my gear. 

 

I've got a full Bikini licence, but the enforcers at the gate keep stripping my characters body clothes. Arms and feet okay though, along with my necklace. They just keep attaching a metal collar with nipple chains on it, onto my character. Not sure if its a feature, or not. Or if they are just a bunch of perverts...

 

 

I'm loving the new stats page, I had to drop my licences on the floor, and pick them up again. To re-register them. 

[donttouchmethere]

31 minutes ago, Krazyone said:

Minor Bug... TrilbJorn Stone Tooth, in Whiterun. Forced oral sex on my female character, and then threw coins at her. The scattered coins on the floor where classed as stealing. Great effect, but could not pick them up, as it was classed as stealing. I was in the prison, surrounded by guards.

                             They need to be Player Ownership.

That might be from Sexlab Adventures (every time 3 coins on my setup after SLadv rape event if coinwhore(?) is activated in MCM).

SLS doesn't force random sexy times or did I miss something?

Guess the ownership flag happens because your in jail, but I could be wrong, no flag on the coins on my setup but never tried that in jail ^^

(unless you mean you ended in jail after grabbing those coins)

[Krazyone]

7 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

That might be from Sexlab Adventures (every time 3 coins on my setup after SLadv rape event if coinwhore(?) is activated in MCM).

SLS doesn't force random sexy times or did I miss something?

Guess the ownership flag happens because your in jail, but I could be wrong, no flag on the coins on my setup but never tried that in jail ^^

(unless you mean you ended in jail after grabbing those coins)

I went to jail to pay a Sexlab Survival bill in the prison, and that's when it happened.

 

I've just installed Sexlab Adventures a couple of days ago, testing it out again. I had it installed briefly a couple of years ago, I am trying it again.

It has SLUT COIN in the MCM, which drops coins to the floor, but it is set to 0.

 

Clicking on it, in command menu mode. It says it is SCATTERED GOLD and Define: SL Survival, which it says is from Sexlab Survival. It is no big problem, as I'll be rolling back my save, as

I uninstall Sexlab Adventure, and Sexlab Disparity. Which I was just re-testing, after having used them a couple of years ago. They aren't adding much to my play-through, so I am just uninstalling them, and rolling back my save.

 

Thanks... and well spotted... 

[shar181]

Something like this may already have been suggested, or might already be in there with some condition I haven't met yet, but I think it would be just lovely if the "Cry For Help" power had a dialogue option that was very clearly a request for semi-consensual rough dickings. Something like,

 

"Oh no, TEE HEE, please don't rape me while I'm helpless Mister Scary Guard...!"

 

'Cause my Dragonborn girl is absolutely the kind of slut who goes out of her way to provoke things into raping her when she's frustrated. And she is not subtle about it.