Sexlab Survival

[Monoman1]

16 minutes ago, Bushi Neko said:

annnd.. for some reason it wont let me remove the duplicate of the dance video.. or edit anymore other than delete.

Luaffyn is really knocking it out of the park there

[mercplatypus]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Perhaps that should be a toll pass in and of itself. 

Covered in restraints + cum + naked = clearly a slave = no toll. 

But should slaves be permitted to possess any licemces/property of any kind etc ? The consequences of which would be severe (overly?)

Shouldn't get searched if you've nothing to be searched for (you have licences for what you have in inventory)

I would assume that your owner would be responsible for paying any and all tolls and licenses if you are a slave if you are looking to make things compatible with each other.  If you are going hardcore real life immersive then slaves being allowed to keep weapons and the like is not too far from how it worked in real life.

 

On the other hand if you are looking to make it even more of an erotic fantasy hentai edition than it already is what you're thinking of would add another layer of brutal crushing oppression to deal with.  It really doesn't seem to affect anything other than the early game at this point to be honest.

[shar181]

So I tried putting my follower in Devices, just for fun, and she keeps stealing my PC's clothes. Is this part of Survival? If so, can I disable it?

 

My follower is supposed to be submissive. :c

 

Edit: Also, the updated SE version made the Simply Knock situation work for me. Woo! ^_^

[Monoman1]

47 minutes ago, mercplatypus said:

I would assume that your owner would be responsible for paying any and all tolls and licenses if you are a slave if you are looking to make things compatible with each other.

Ideally your master would decide your equipment in that case. Which isn't going to happen really. Not as a part of survival at least. The player has way too much influence on followers as it is for that to work well. 

47 minutes ago, mercplatypus said:

If you are going hardcore real life immersive then slaves being allowed to keep weapons and the like is not too far from how it worked in real life.

I use real life as far as it is interesting and conveniently compatible with my goals. Any 'slave simulator' type mods or scenarios I've ever tried have usually been horribly dull, 'play once and never again' type affairs. To me at least. I still want to play the game. 

47 minutes ago, mercplatypus said:

It really doesn't seem to affect anything other than the early game at this point to be honest.

On it's own, probably. But combined with other mods, say defeat and DF. Get defeated -> lose licences -> DF adds debt you can't pay -> restraints + naked -> considered as slave. Which could happen at any level. 

But more spontaneous, random but not overly unfair 'events' would be nice. (Lupine's been banging on about this for ages )

32 minutes ago, shar181 said:

My follower is supposed to be submissive. :c

Try 'stopquest _SLS_FollowerNakedClothesLockQuest'

but I can't guarantee it won't happen again. I kind of assumed everyone plays with a dominant follower. 

[shar181]

32 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Try 'stopquest _SLS_FollowerNakedClothesLockQuest'

but I can't guarantee it won't happen again. I kind of assumed everyone plays with a dominant follower. 

I want this mod for the creature stuff, the begging, and the Sexlab/Frostfall/iNeed interaction. :x I don't hate the submissive stuff, but my characters are always switches. Sometimes, you just want your follower to be a pretty bondage slave with a giant backpack for carrying all of your ore!

 

Given the sheer number of things this mod handles, it might be worth considering just giving every single feature its own on/off toggle. This clothes-theft-thing for sure, since it pretty much locks a PC into a submissive role, but also the entire Toll system. Right now we can force the doors to be unlocked, but we still have to deal with the consequences of not paying the toll. ><;

 

Edit: I just had a somewhat entertaining issue with the Begging system. Asked a girl out in the wilderness to give me some lactaid. She told me to fuck a dog for it. Sure, whatever. So I say yes, and a moment later there's a giant ice wolf in her cabin and its chewing on her neck. There should probably be something to prevent pulling in hostile creatures. xD

[Monoman1]

19 minutes ago, shar181 said:

Given the sheer number of things this mod handles, it might be worth considering just giving every single feature its own on/off toggle.

Often easier said than done. A lot of people don't seem to realize this. 

But you're right. That needs a toggle. 

19 minutes ago, shar181 said:

but also the entire Toll system. Right now we can force the doors to be unlocked, but we still have to deal with the consequences of not paying the toll. ><;

Turn off door lock down. Turn off toll evasion. 

[shar181]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Often easier said than done. A lot of people don't seem to realize this.

 

Turn off door lock down. Turn off toll evasion. 

I will try that!

 

Edit: Another minor issue with the barefoot slowdown effect. It stays active when the PC is a werewolf, which pretty much breaks Beast Form!

[Guest]

idea, since you've already got amputator framework incorporated to a degree: guards cutting off your hand if you're caught stealing

[Lupine00]

There's a thread with a player who found that SL Adventures broke their RND sleep recovery, and when they disabled SLAdv sleep-rape, they stopped being tired all the time (no rapes were occurring but they were getting disrupted sleep results anyway). 

 

I think there's something else in play, as I've had issues with sleep in SLS - but they aren't constant.

 

Even though my character is sleeping with Well Rested as the max result, and getting long rests (8-12 hours), they would wake up tired and almost instantly drop to very tired...

Even though I have turned down the fatigue rate in RND, again, and again.

 

And yet sometimes, this doesn't happen.

 

I suspect there's some issue in RND - maybe a race condition on the sleep start or end event - that means that both SLS and SL Adv can cause it to behave inconsistently.

 

I was looking at sleep in detail yesterday, cleaning up the willpower recovery in DF, so it's on my mind.

I had some odd bugs, that were not explained by the very straightforward code in DF.

 

If suspect that if anything crashes in the sleep start event handling, I think it has consequences for the end event, which may not fire as expected.

That "anything" that may be crashing might not be any of the mods I'm mentioning here, or maybe it is.

[Lupine00]

3 hours ago, mushroomcap said:

guards cutting off your hand if you're caught stealing

An indirect fine basically. In some ways it's easier. Right now if you don't have the money, you go to prison, which is usually ... nasty.

 

With hand cutting, you basically trade in a hand to skip the fine. So your hand is like a cash buffer.

[Monoman1]

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

There's a thread with a player who found that SL Adventures broke their RND sleep recovery, and when they disabled SLAdv sleep-rape, they stopped being tired all the time (no rapes were occurring but they were getting disrupted sleep results anyway). 

 

I think there's something else in play, as I've had issues with sleep in SLS - but they aren't constant.

 

Even though my character is sleeping with Well Rested as the max result, and getting long rests (8-12 hours), they would wake up tired and almost instantly drop to very tired...

Even though I have turned down the fatigue rate in RND, again, and again.

 

And yet sometimes, this doesn't happen.

 

I suspect there's some issue in RND - maybe a race condition on the sleep start or end event - that means that both SLS and SL Adv can cause it to behave inconsistently.

 

I was looking at sleep in detail yesterday, cleaning up the willpower recovery in DF, so it's on my mind.

I had some odd bugs, that were not explained by the very straightforward code in DF.

 

If suspect that if anything crashes in the sleep start event handling, I think it has consequences for the end event, which may not fire as expected.

That "anything" that may be crashing might not be any of the mods I'm mentioning here, or maybe it is.

Never had any issues I've noticed. I think sls waits 5 seconds after sleepstop (to avoid racing) to make any changes so if you're immediately waking up tired then I would THINK it's not sleep deprivation. 

You're not consuming copious amounts of skooma/milk? In the case of skomma whore it has decreased durations as you get more addicted. But I couldn't find a nice a simple way to get the actual duration so I just went with a set value. 

 

My point being that fatigue gain from skooma may be some time later rather than immediately after the effect wears off. But at default settings, 1 skooma probably wont jump you more than one fatigue level - the effect is fairly minimal. 

[Lupine00]

13 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I think sls waits 5 seconds after sleepstop (to avoid racing) to make any changes so if you're immediately waking up tired then I would THINK it's not sleep deprivation. 

You're not consuming copious amounts of skooma/milk? In the case of skomma whore it has decreased durations as you get more addicted. But I couldn't find a nice a simple way to get the actual duration so I just went with a set value.

I noticed that DF was waiting 5 seconds too, and it seems like a lot of people were copying the same code from somewhere, so everything waits the same five seconds and it all goes off together anyway.

 

I'm not using any Skooma, and I'm not checking tiredness < 5 seconds after sleeping (I can't even do that practically, because I'm relying on the RND hotkey to tell me, and wouldn't trust it if I could make it fire instantly). So I'm checking tiredness maybe 30 seconds after sleeping, or a couple of minutes... And I'll see "tired" in many cases. Not well rested, despite 8, or 10 hours, or in some cases even longer, sleeping in a bed.

By the time I've zoned outside and left town, I'll be "very tired" again. Or maybe it's a bit later than that.

 

Then... other times, it's a bit better, but it's very unusual to wake up not "Tired".

 

Could this be related to device handling being off? As most times I'll have sanguine devices (collar, or piercing, or both), or a collar from some other source.

Or could it be related to food? If you go to bed hungry you don't get proper sleep? I'm lazy and eat in the morning, most times.

I tried eating before bed, but it still didn't get me to Well Rested.

Or if you go without sleeping a long time, does it build up a huge reservoir of sleep debt you can't fix, even with two or three long nights of sleep?

 

There's definitely something going on in RND. But I haven't looked at its code, or the code in SLS, so I couldn't say what.

I think I did look at SL Adv some time back, but I don't remember anything notable from it.

 

But skooma isn't a factor in this at all. I'm not using any. It's not attractive enough, or easy enough to get, to use out of choice, and no NPCs are giving me lots of it for free.

[Monoman1]

The only odd thing I've ever noticed it saying 'slightly tired' before resting but waking up rested. 

 

Rnds code doesn't take that long to run. A second or two after sleeping unless your running it on a potato pc. 

 

Rest is defined as a global so you can check it yourself via console - RND_SleepPoints. 0 = completely rested and 320/340 = max fatigue I think (from the top of my head). I don't think you can build up 'sleep debt'. I think there is a defined max.

 

Devices - maybe. But the total rest penalty should still be right at summation. 

[Lupine00]

23 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Rest is defined as a global so you can check it yourself via console - RND_SleepPoints. 0 = completely rested and 320/340 = max fatigue I think (from the top of my head). I don't think you can build up 'sleep debt'. I think there is a defined max.

That's handy. I'll see if that illuminates anything.

[gdfll]

Women have to pay toll to leave the city.

Women need one or more followers to leave

Female followers are allowed.

Female followers do not have to pay toll,

How unfair.

Monoman1, you can do better !

 

[Monoman1]

4 minutes ago, gdfll said:

Women have to pay toll to leave the city.

Women need one or more followers to leave

Female followers are allowed.

Female followers do not have to pay toll,

How unfair.

Monoman1, you can do better !

 

Female followers are officially licenced escorts and pay the toll themselves and have their own licences.

(Not really but would you really want all that nonsense tearing up your papyrus vm?)

 

Ps. What is the story with these captchas?! No exaggeration, I must have done 20/30 of them just to login there. I obviously don't know what a traffic light is. 

[Corsayr]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Ps. What is the story with these captchas?! No exaggeration, I must have done 20/30 of them just to login there. I obviously don't know what a traffic light is

That is the second time you mentioned this... 

 

First time I just thought it was a random inside joke thing I didn't get. 

 

Are you having to log in every time you visit LL? I haven't had to log in for like months. 

[Monoman1]

9 minutes ago, Corsayr said:

That is the second time you mentioned this... 

 

First time I just thought it was a random inside joke thing I didn't get. 

 

Are you having to log in every time you visit LL? I haven't had to log in for like months. 

Well the problem isnt having to login as I have to log out due to circumstances. The issue I have is with the capctchas themselves. "Select every tile with a bus"

<shows a picture of a boat>

Gee thanks. 

 

Just one of these things that drives me nuts. 

[Lupine00]

53 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Just one of these things that drives me nuts. 

It's your job to train your AI replacement.

All hail The Circle!

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Well the problem isnt having to login as I have to log out due to circumstances. The issue I have is with the capctchas themselves. "Select every tile with a bus"

<shows a picture of a boat>

Gee thanks. 

 

Just one of these things that drives me nuts. 

 

Captchas fuckin' blow; they're right up there with "We haven't seen you for a while   why don't you go log into your email and click our verification button to be allowed in. Don't worry, it'll only be delayed by 2 hours "

 

For real though, will there be an option one day to forbid female followers to function as escorts? I'm guessing it's not as simple as changing a 1 to a 0 or it'd already be a thing by now, I'm sure. After all, the gate guard does say that it's permitted f o r n o w - are there any plans to treat them differently at all?

[Monoman1]

17 minutes ago, Sam0016 said:

For real though, will there be an option one day to forbid female followers to function as escorts? I'm guessing it's not as simple as changing a 1 to a 0 or it'd already be a thing by now, I'm sure. After all, the gate guard does say that it's permitted f o r n o w - are there any plans to treat them differently at all?

Hadn't really planned anything. 

I prefer female followers personally. Options are great and all but they need to be coded and usually bring some degree of complication, unforeseen and otherwise. Functionally, it doesn't really bring anything to the table really other than some more mysogny flavour. All those follower mods I installed would be useless

 

[Lupine00]

17 minutes ago, Sam0016 said:

After all, the gate guard does say that it's permitted f o r n o w - are there any plans to treat them differently at all?

Downside with male followers is there are so few.

Also if you're doing DCL quests or something with Chloe, adding a male follower does not help things, it is more inclined to break them.

 

If you don't want a female follower, you can always not hire one, and don't add any to the forced escorts list.

[Zaflis]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Well the problem isnt having to login as I have to log out due to circumstances. The issue I have is with the capctchas themselves. "Select every tile with a bus"

<shows a picture of a boat>

Gee thanks. 

I have to agree that's odd, i didn't even know this site has captchas   I never logout.

[Barzing]

it's faster to logout removing loverslab cookies LOL

[Barzing]

devious devices is not checked in interfaces (MCM) do you need Devious Devices Expansion too ? i installed DDa DDi latest versions but not DDe