Sexlab Survival

[donttouchmethere]

51 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I haven't used it, but I don't think the values are set so as to make Frostfall completely toothless.

I use it atm and I saved my ass a few times.

I have Frostfall on intensity 3 + Frostfall seasons, so warm bodies won't help much in the colder regions in the north or on mountains (even the Helgen towers have enough elevation to cause frostbite during the night).

 

[Monoman1]

@Lupine00

Maybe check the stats page on the Mcm and see what it says. Valid until is just the game day Game.GetCurrentGameTime()

 

Re lanterns. If it's not armor (Clothes) and it's got an enchantment then it's magic as far as the toll guys are concerned. Did you add it to the exceptions list?

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Did you try the usual drop em and pick em up ?

Yes, as noted in my original post.

 

The puzzle is why would this happen?

The version update had been in for a while.

 

 

I have another little problem.

 

Bikini curse doesn't just stop you wearing armor, it stops you wearing non-magical, vanilla clothes.

This seems a bit odd.

 

When faced with a scenario where you have to wear a vanilla outfit to progress, you can't simply remove the bikini and put on the clothes - bikini curse kicks in.

 

Isn't the intent of this to stop you wearing non-bikini armor?

 

 

I don't see any evidence that SLS is checking the babo keywords, or the SLAX storage util vars, even though StA claims to support them for spankability.

 

 

If there's a toggle to simply turn off the bikini curse in the MCM, I can't find it.

I suggest that would solve a host of problems that people might have with the curse.

 

It seems it should be an optional feature of bikini armor anyway. We managed a long time without it.

[valcon767]

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Now, I am told that my weapon license has expired (it has 8 days left).

And due to that, all my ... wait for it ... bikini armor has been taken. Even though I have several days left on that license too.

 

i  have had a similar thing happen recently

 

enforcer took all my licenses saying they were expired (i bought them all originally at the same time), when the only expired license was clothing.

 

armor/weapon/magic licenses all had 33 days left on them.  the reason the armor/weapon/magic licenses all had more time on them was i had bought

an "upgrade" to longer term licenses after buy the short term license.  

 

i think what happened in my case is SLS remembered when the originally bought license was due to expire and took it at the correct time for that, not correcting itself

for the newer longer term licenses i had bought. 

 

and yes i reloaded the save just before entering town and dropped and picked up all licenses to make sure it "knew" the time left.   when looking at the licenses in inventory

clothing said it was due to expire in 1 day, but weapon/armor/magic all had 33 days left.   upon entering town after doing that the enforcer still took all licenses and tore them

up as expired.  attempt 3 dropping all clothing items (including jewelry) before entering town netted the same results yet again.  

 

unsure why (could be due to my game having several mod updates added part way thru, even though they all were supposed to be able to do that without hurting anything).

 

will retest that when i start a new game again (to make sure save is as clean as its possible to get) and then report if it does it again.

 

[Monoman1]

 

11 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Bikini curse doesn't just stop you wearing armor, it stops you wearing non-magical, vanilla clothes.

This seems a bit odd.

Well that's on purpose. Clothes can be constrictive too. I found that before I added it in I was running around in bikini armor + mage robes in the body slot = pretty covered up which defeats the purpose. Your really supposed to be on display. I do want to allow clothes if they are slutty enough though. Just haven't gotten around to it. 

12 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

 

It seems it should be an optional feature of bikini armor anyway. We managed a long time without it.

I don't follow. 

[Clea Strange]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

 

Well that's on purpose. Clothes can be constrictive too. I found that before I added it in I was running around in bikini armor + mage robes in the body slot = pretty covered up which defeats the purpose. Your really supposed to be on display. I do want to allow clothes if they are slutty enough though. Just haven't gotten around to it. 

 

 

seems reasonable to me that if you have a bikini curse you can only wear a bikini and forbidden wearing actual clothes be it magical or not

 

I also like the other idea you have that you can only wear slutty clothes with the bikini curse once you implement it

[CynicalCore]

Hello Monoman,

 

I notice something (its not a bug) if i beg for money the NPC said i should give him "head" to get the money, okay sounds reasonable. BUT i use also SLSO, so i asked him after this again and he was again demanding "head". But i cant reach the SLSO orgasm state for him cos i set in SLSO the orgasm setting, where males cant cum like a cow gives milk. Can we get a timeout for already asked NPCs or a setting where we can say in this arousal 0-100 state they demanding sexual stuff?

 

Edit: THANKS FOR THE GREAT MOD ❤️

[Lupine00]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I don't follow. 

Bikini armor did not always have a curse.

 

It was added to make the bikini license more interesting, along with the bikini training.

 

If you are wearing ... as I was ... nothing but barkeeper's clothes and boots ... then there's no magic, no protection, and no benefit from wearing a bikini, because you aren't wearing one.

But a bikini curse, that stops you wearing ... actual bikinis ... seems like it has a flaw in its job definition.

 

Personally, in the short time I've used it, I've had it screw up multiple quests due to its definition. And when it screws you up, there's no way to disable it.

I've sort of reached the limit of "worth the trouble", and so I'm just going to reprice my armor license and treat bikinis as optional once again.

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, CynicalCore said:

Hello Monoman,

 

I notice something (its not a bug) if i beg for money the NPC said i should give him "head" to get the money, okay sounds reasonable. BUT i use also SLSO, so i asked him after this again and he was again demanding "head". But i cant reach the SLSO orgasm state for him cos i set in SLSO the orgasm setting, where males cant cum like a cow gives milk. Can we get a timeout for already asked NPCs or a setting where we can say in this arousal 0-100 state they demanding sexual stuff?

 

Edit: THANKS FOR THE GREAT MOD ❤️

That's a little unusual. Not being able to orgasm will surely affect a few mods. 

But anyway, you can set 'Must Orgasm' to off in the general settings. Cum swallowing probably still won't work though.  

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

I've sort of reached the limit of "worth the trouble", and so I'm just going to reprice my armor license and treat bikinis as optional once again.

Sounds like you've made your decision but I still don't understand very clearly. Are you saying that:

1. The bikini curse becomes stuck when it shouldn't after explaining the conditions above or

2. That you just don't agree with the definition of a bikini? And what quests does it stop you completing? The only quests I can think of that require you to wear something specific are the radiant raiment one and the embassy party. And the curse shouldn't really stop you doing either of those. The curse is certainly inconvenient but it's hardly debilitating. For the party you can just head inside and once past the party bit strip off before the combat starts. (And it's been so long since I played that quest but aren't you allow to bring some stuff with you? Bra + thong + sword. What more would you need? )

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

I've sort of reached the limit of "worth the trouble", and so I'm just going to reprice my armor license and treat bikinis as optional once again.

Sounds like you've made your decision but I still don't understand very clearly. Are you saying that:

1. The bikini curse becomes stuck when it shouldn't after explaining the conditions above or

2. That you just don't agree with the definition of a bikini? 

 

I believe the gist of it is:

 

1. They're having an issue with the curse that's causing it to behave erratically for any potential number of reasons (likely user-side compatibility issues, if we're being fair, considering that this doesn't appear to be a universal problem).

 

2. More importantly, the bikini armor license mechanic was implemented in multiple versions before the idea of the bikini armor curse was in the mod, and it worked perfectly fine (and didn't cause the aforementioned issues). I believe what Lupine is suggesting is to rein in the concept of the curse being a mandatory feature and simply making it an option; something to spice up the bikini license feature if you want more enforcement, which would both eliminate the technical issues the curse can cause (it can seem a little pervasive for something forced to be attached to a core mechanic like licenses), and solve the problem of people finding it feeling a little forced. Personally, I'm all for the curse, but when I take a step back and look at the logic of using a magical spell to force slutty armor in accordance with legal regulations, it does seem a little potty, especially as most of the rest of the mod's features are relatively grounded (disregarding the kennel).

 

Then again, I use Slaverun, so what do I know about contrivances.

 

Consider this: An MCM toggle that 'SiMpLy' flips the curse on and off; when it's on, it's on - but when it's off, the bikini armor license functions just like the regular weapons and armor licenses.

 

Hopefully that didn't come out too long-winded.

[Monoman1]

I'll wait for lupine to get back on it but the whole point of the bikini curse is enforcement outside of cities. Hell, enforcement outside of the small trigger boxes inside those cities. Otherwise:

1. Buy cheap bikini licence and be allowed to carry full armor (remember when you couldn't carry full armor with a bikini licence?)

2. Enter city wearing full armor. Guard catches you and confiscates the armor you're wearing. 

3. Go to the licence guy and get your confiscated armors back because you have a bikini licence and it allows you to carry full armors. 

4. Go out of the city and put your full armor back on.... See where this is going?

 

Even if you were to replace step 2 with:

2. Enter city wearing full armor. Guard catches you and confiscates the armor you're wearing permanently. You won't be able to get it back ever. (And you can bet your ass people will have a problem with this)

 

Then just take off your armor before you enter the city. 

 

Toothless, pointless enforcement. 

 

And sure if you want a more lore friendly experience (which I completely understand) then just disable the bikini licence and rebalance the armor licence cost. 

[TheBrave61]

Are people using any high heels outside of the devious one's?

If yes which mod?

Or can someone recommend me a mod, preferably with bodyslide option?

Also is there any further setup required do I need to add keywords to the higheels for survival to pick it up as a high heel?

 

Thank you in advance!

[legraf]

I'm all for the bikini curse too, as both fun and (as you point out, Monoman1) necessary to make wearing bikini armor the logical choice outside cities where it matters.  Though it will be better if & when you get a chance to add revealing clothing as permitted under the curse... of course we should be able to wear non-armor bikinis.  In the short term, it just seemed like having a means to temporarily disable the curse would permit a work-around for fringe cases.  But perhaps it's tricky to implement.

 

If people want to cheat the system, well, they're going to anyway.  Making it "not easy" to cheat is one of your goals, I understand and appreciate.  Maybe there's some way, not too onerous, to make running with "curse disabled" impractical.  How about if, while curse is disabled, no body armor is permitted (worn or perhaps even in inventory)?  Probably more work than its worth, though.  In this case I'd just trust people, using bikini licenses, to want the bikini curse mechanic except for special situations as lupine00 is encountering.

[Monoman1]

18 minutes ago, TheBrave61 said:

Also is there any further setup required do I need to add keywords to the higheels for survival to pick it up as a high heel?

No. Shouldn't need anything extra if they are either HDT heels or NiO heels. 

Older mods used to just chop bits off the leg to get an illusion of high heels without actually making you higher. Those type of heels won't be detected. But mostly everything these days is NiO. 

[TheBrave61]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

No. Shouldn't need anything extra if they are either HDT heels or NiO heels. 

Older mods used to just chop bits off the leg to get an illusion of high heels without actually making you higher. Those type of heels won't be detected. But mostly everything these days is NiO. 

Okay that makes it easy thank you!

[valcon767]

@Monoman1

 

had an idea (don't know if you would consider it worth the time it would take you to do or not)

 

2 parts to this technically

 

1 - an MCM setting that would let a player set a piece of armor or clothing that is inventory as a Bikini Armor by your mod.  could work for clothes too but not sure

      how to  set the Bikini License  to not take clothes with the BikinArmor keyword (right now if it has the clothing keyword and the _SLS_BikiniArmor keywords

      clothes are taken if you do not have a clothing license, they do not trigger the bikini curse though ..tested this with a merged patch).

 

2 - an export and import of that list so that a player could export it one game and import it on the next game and those items would be listed as Bikini by your mod.

 

this would do 2 things (i think - ya i know me thinking could be dangerous .. watch the smoke).

1 - let individual players set armor and clothes to be "slutty" enough for a bikini license to cover.

2 - when adding bikini armors to the world thru your mod they would then be able to be found in the world as treasure.

 

while tagging armors can be done by making a merge patch some people dread making those (in my case i have to add that keyword to individual pieces in 2 merged 

armor mods containing about 3500-4000 pieces ... ouch), and this does not solve the problem of needing both a clothing and bikini armor license to wear 

clothing that has both the clothing and _SLS_BikiniArmor keywords.

 

if you consider this not worth the time or effort you would need to invest to do it just ignore it.

 

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, legraf said:

I'm all for the bikini curse too, as both fun and (as you point out, Monoman1) necessary to make wearing bikini armor the logical choice outside cities where it matters.  Though it will be better if & when you get a chance to add revealing clothing as permitted under the curse... of course we should be able to wear non-armor bikinis.  In the short term, it just seemed like having a means to temporarily disable the curse would permit a work-around for fringe cases.  But perhaps it's tricky to implement.

 

If people want to cheat the system, well, they're going to anyway.  Making it "not easy" to cheat is one of your goals, I understand and appreciate.  Maybe there's some way, not too onerous, to make running with "curse disabled" impractical.  How about if, while curse is disabled, no body armor is permitted (worn or perhaps even in inventory)?  Probably more work than its worth, though.  In this case I'd just trust people, using bikini licenses, to want the bikini curse mechanic except for special situations as lupine00 is encountering.

I will be adding a way for you to wear clothes as long as they're slutty enough. I just need to get around to it. Not easy with a full time job and with all the mods I have. And all those mods could use attention of some kind or another. Not to talk about RL stuff outside of all that. 

36 minutes ago, valcon767 said:

1 - an MCM setting that would let a player set a piece of armor or clothing that is inventory as a Bikini Armor by your mod.  could work for clothes too but not sure

      how to  set the Bikini License  to not take clothes with the BikinArmor keyword (right now if it has the clothing keyword and the _SLS_BikiniArmor keywords

      clothes are taken if you do not have a clothing license, they do not trigger the bikini curse though ..tested this with a merged patch).

 

36 minutes ago, valcon767 said:

1 - let individual players set armor and clothes to be "slutty" enough for a bikini license to cover.

This would involve adding yet another armor description method to another of my mods. Milk addict, spank that ass and MWA AND Survival already have armor description and properties systems. And I really want to get away from these disparate systems and just use one. So what I'll be doing is try to use SLAXs armor description system as much as possible and homogenize all the different systems into that. 

36 minutes ago, valcon767 said:

when adding bikini armors to the world thru your mod they would then be able to be found in the world as treasure.

Maybe this is something @Lupine00 might be interested in adding to SLAX? Maybe not? Might not be appropriate for SLAX. 

But the idea being you could tag and distribute armor at the same time....

 

You COULD, right now, add your armor, whatever it is, to the BikiniArmors.json file. But given the sheer amount of bikini armor parts it might turn out to be very rare. 

 

If the import thing was to work then you'd also need a way to tell the mod how rare it should be IE maybe just categorize it by armor material - Iron, Steel, Dwarven, Orcish, Ebony, Daedric etc....

Biggest problem is that the import/export would just be a bunch of numbers. Even worse FormIds are in hexadecimal but papyrusutil reads in decimal so it wouldn't be very straight forward for users. 

[Clea Strange]

wearing bikini's is not slutty in my opinion, I think what is considered clothing would be short revealing skirts/dresses that barely come past your waist (spelling) stockings that come up to your thigh with high heels. I have even heard some other people say that women wearing makeup makes them look like a slut

 

 

I still think that the bikini' curse is reasonable and that once you have that you are forbidden wearing magical or non magical clothes. The bikini curse doesn't prevent you from doing quests be it main quest side quests

[Monoman1]

2 minutes ago, Hiderius said:

wearing bikini's is not slutty in my opinion, I think what is considered clothing would be short revealing skirts/dresses that barely come past your waist (spelling) stockings that come up to your thigh with high heels. I have even heard some other people say that women wearing makeup makes them look like a slut

 

 

I still think that the bikini' curse is reasonable and that once you have that you are forbidden wearing magical or non magical clothes. The bikini curse doesn't prevent you from doing quests be it main quest side quests

Bikini being slutty really depends on the context (like most things in life). On a beach/in the sun. Sure. Appropriate. Down the bannered mare at night..... Not so much

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Maybe this is something @Lupine00 might be interested in adding to SLAX? Maybe not? Might not be appropriate for SLAX. 

But the idea being you could tag and distribute armor at the same time....

A system for modifying loot lists in real time?

It doesn't seem like it belongs in an arousal mod.

It's a nice idea though.

 

I have a LOT of mods that don't have a loot list entry and thus, the stuff in them is only worn if you craft it for fun.

It's sad I never see necromancers wearing the "Pretty Witch" outfit.

 

Modifying lists in script looks perfectly possible, so it could be done. Probably wants a dedicated mod though.

[Lupine00]

My point with the bikini curse, is that it can never be perfect.

Players need the ability to turn things on and off sometimes. Especially modifiers or effects as profound as "you have no stamina at all".

 

I guess in SLS, the off switch is intended to be "buy an armor license". Easy enough, but...

 

The problem with it, is that you can't enable it when you find yourself in the middle of some suddenly-broken scenario half way up to the Throat of the World.

Not without coc to whiterun and coc back to where you were.

 

If players want to cheat your mod, they can *always* cheat your mod.

Why would somebody enable bikini licenses, then disable the curse, to "cheat"?

 

In fact, it's their game. They cannot cheat. And if they exploit your mechanics to ruin their game, the only person who suffers is them.

Whatever rules they play by are the rules. The moment you think you can control how they play, you have probably lost sight of what modded Skyrim is.

It just makes sense to have a switch people can throw for when things break.

Just like I have to use the console to fix some dumb broken mod that has stuck me to the floor again with its movement speed changes.

But I can do that. Anywhere.

 

 

The thing with bikini license, is what is the curse for?

 

If the intent is simply to discourage people using it as a cheap way to sell vanilla armor...

Then a better approach would be to actually stop them selling vanilla armor or recovering it from confiscation - or at least make that an option.

 

In fact, the curse does nothing to stop that.

 

Whether or not you have a non-bikini item in slot 32 has nothing to do with what you buy or sell.

 

It seems to me that what the curse does do, is create trouble for you in cases where you lose your bikini armor.

 

That's fine. I like that... Although it doesn't happen very often for me.

Probably because I don't have a rape mod that steals all my stuff every five minutes, and I don't have my armor set to break on one hit.

Armor that breaks on one hit is sort of pointless (though I know some people like it).

You are probably better wearing nothing and using the carry capacity for something useful.

I'm not playing Requiem. I get lots of hits. They aren't really avoidable.

 

If the goal is to make players love bikini armor...

 

Add bikini armor specific dialogs. Add bikini specific events. Even some simple, repetitive content would make players interested.

The bikini experience system is already a "stat carrot", and the curse is a "stat stick".

I'm not arguing to get rid of the curse...

 

I just don't know if the curse does much, most of the time.

And when it does fire, it's often at a time that it creates a problem with content from some other mod that you're trying to experience.

[Monoman1]

17 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

My point with the bikini curse, is that it can never be perfect.

Players need the ability to turn things on and off sometimes. Especially modifiers or effects as profound as "you have no stamina at all".

That's fair enough. I will see about adding a toggle.

17 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

The thing with bikini license, is what is the curse for?

As detailed above the intent is to enforce the licence outside normal areas. If the bikini curse didn't exist then the only places where it would be enforced is 1) in and around small towns with the enforcer Npcs and 2) Inside the trigger boxes directly inside the city gates. That leaves 99.9% of skyrim unenforced. So you could just ignore the bikini requirement effectively. Basically, it's a low-effort way of enforcing the bikini requirement everywhere. And sure, in game events and more natural enforcement would of course be better but I'm sweating here just thinking of the amount of work involved. 

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

As detailed above the intent is to enforce the licence outside normal areas.

Hmm. I know a character that could enforce bikini license rules on the player, almost all the time  

 

The question is, should it be a standalone feature (bikini deal) or just the follower using the bikini license as a way to wear away your willpower?

[Monoman1]

1 minute ago, Lupine00 said:

The question is, should it be a standalone feature (bikini deal) or just the follower using the bikini license as a way to wear away your willpower?

Interesting. The later option sounds more interesting to me. Might motivate you to actually strive for a full armor licence. But of course by the time you can afford the full licence, the stat hooks from bikini experience will be firmly in and you'll probably still end up wearing bikinis but paying for a full licence just as not to have your willpower eroded? Hmm. Needs some consideration. 

[Clea Strange]

I have a suggestion that could go with the bikini curse at the same time, a curse where a girl has to wear high heels/heels with the bikini curse. Not sure how well that will work but some girls do where high heels with bikini's that I have seen.

 

Another suggestion is have a way this work with S.L.U.T.S Redux unless they are compatible