Devious Devices Framework Development/Beta

[Mexicola88]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

 

wie ich schrieb - es ist ein ERSTER Entwurf

und natürlich habe ich keinen survival-Modus berücksichtigt - der macht mit diesem "lebenden" Anzug keinen wirklichen Sinn

streng genommen ernährt sich der Anzug vom Sex den er mit anderen Personen hat - Du selbst bist bloss eine lästige "Innerei" die ihm Form gibt

und die er auch noch schützen muss

für die Nahrungs-Aufnahme hatte ich den Vorschlag gemacht die Hülle für den Mundknebel zur Speise-Röhre hin offen zu lassen - somit würde er die Funktion

eines Ring-Knebels erfüllen - auch wenn der Mund letztlich komplett "ausgefüllt" ist

und ja - so würde das "Anzugs-Wesen" dafür sogen das seine "Träger-Sklavin" nicht verhundert und verdurstet

 

wer schon mal den alternativen Start als "versklavte Prinzessin" gespielt hat - oder gar das Quest "Damsel in Distress"

da bin ich mit meinen Vorschlägen echt noch "human"

der Anzug ist definitiv nix für dominante Charaktere bzw. eine solche Spielart

 

ebenso sind Verwandlungen in Werwölfe oder Vampire-Lords ausgeschlossen - auch diese ergeben keinerlei Sinn mit solch einem Anzug

 

der Anzug braucht keinen Schutz vor Kälte bieten - da über ihm die bei den meisten DD-Geräten "normale" Kleidung getragen werden kann

 

P.S. man macht einen Survival-Modus - wo essen und Trinken nötig ist - in einer Welt in der es nicht mal in den Städten bzw. den Häusern eine einzige Latrine gibt

*facepalm*

 

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as I wrote - it is a FIRST draft

and of course I didn't consider a survival mode - it doesn't really make sense with this "living" suit

strictly speaking, the suit feeds on the sex it has with other people - you yourself are just an annoying "gut" that gives it shape

and which he also has to protect

for the intake of food I had made the suggestion to leave the cover for the mouth gag open towards the esophagus - this way it would have the function

of a ring gag - even if the mouth is completely "filled" in the end

and yes - the "suit being" would ensure that its "wearing slave" did not become a hundred and die of thirst

who has ever played the alternative start as "enslaved princess" - or even the quest "Damsel in Distress"

I'm really still "human" with my suggestions

the suit is definitely nothing for dominant characters or such a game

transformations into werewolves or vampire lords are also excluded - these also make no sense with such a suit

the suit does not need to provide protection from the cold - since "normal" clothing for most DD devices can be worn over it

PS you make a survival mode - where food and drink is necessary - in a world where there isn't even a single latrine in the towns or houses

*face palm*

 

Ja das mit der Latrine ist schon wahr, aber das wurde noch nie in einem Spiel berücksichtigt, außer natürlich in "Die Sims".

Solange man noch irgendwie essen und trinken kann mit dem Anzug ist ja alles in Ordnung, aber sprechen sollte auch möglich sein, eben mit dem normalem Knebel Dialog. Und solange man sich wenigstens irgendwas über den Anzug anziehen kann, wenn man irgendwo im Schnee rumläuft ist ja auch alles gut.

 

Versklavte Prinzessin habe ich nie gespielt, nur Damsel in Distress.

 

Was passiert denn in dem Versklavte Prinzessin Start? Ist schon einige Jahre her das ich Alternate Start genutzt habe. Ich habe da schon viele Starts probiert aber nie den Versklavte Prinzessin.

 

Yes, that's true about the latrine, but it's never been considered in any game other than The Sims, of course.

As long as you can still somehow eat and drink with the suit, everything is fine, but speaking should also be possible, just with the normal gag dialogue. And as long as you can at least put something on over your suit when you're walking around somewhere in the snow, it's all good.

I never played Enslaved Princess, only Damsel in Distress.

What happens in the Enslaved Princess start? It's been a few years since I've used Alternate Start. I've tried many starts but never the Enslaved Princess.

Edited October 30, 2022 by Mexicola88

[audhol]

@Miauzi @Mexicola88 and anyone else

 

Guys I'm happy youre interested in the living suit idea and I like the ideas but.......

 

Maybe lets not take over the DD beta thread brainstorming??  (LOL says the guy who posts 1 million screenshots of updates?)

 

Perhaps if theres some interest in making such a mod we could set up a small discord thread to discuss it?

[Taki17]

12 minutes ago, audhol said:

Perhaps if theres some interest in making such a mod we could set up a small discord thread to discuss it?

I don't think taking the discussion off-site would be strictly required, as you'd be able to find even more people interested in previewing your assets and ideas here if you had setup a "workshop" thread like this:

Speaking of which, the thread above has had a lot of good stuff that have went un-updated and unimplemented, and I wouldn't mind seeing them in the game further down the line. Things like the variants of the current catsuits but with an open crotch area and exposed breasts, for example.

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Taki17

[CaptainJ03]

8 minutes ago, audhol said:

Maybe lets not take over the DD beta thread brainstorming??  (LOL says the guy who posts 1 million screenshots of updates?)

 

Perhaps if theres some interest in making such a mod we could set up a small discord thread to discuss it?

Why move to discord, make it a thread for Living Sexdoll Brainstorming here on LL

[Mexicola88]

28 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

man starte u.a.

- in Ballet-Schuhen

- im extremen Humpelkleid!

- mit auf dem Rücken gebundenen Armen

- mit einem Ball-Knebel im Mund

 

man fängt in der Wildnis an - "humpelt" zu einem Bauernhof - von dort mit Schnellreise nach Rifton - Dialoge nur via Knebel-Sprache

im Keller der Kneipe Schlüssel für ein Teil der DD-Geräte

von Rifton in die Helgen-Umgebung via Schnellreise - an einer Leiche der Schlüssel für die restlichen DD-Geräte

 

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"Hmpf"- aka Knebel-Dialog ist ja schon ab Stufe 1 vorgesehen - für mich heisst das immer "Spricht-mit-Händen-und-Füssen"

was ja auch eigentlich recht gut umgesetzt ist - z.B. auch mit einem Schieber für die Wahrscheinlichkeit das Dich Dein Gegenüber versteht

 

in machen Durchläufen bin ich oft komplett bis auf den Rückenbinder und das Humpelkleid in DD-Geräten gebunden - dank des "hinterhältigen Trainings" (DT)

habe ich dafür aber mächtige Boni - was aber eben einige Zeit braucht bis man diese im Spiel bekommt

(und ausserdem habe ich durch das Korsett ein schmalere Taille - sonst machen diese "Dinger" einfach keinen Sinn!)

 

neben dem Stufen-System von "Better Vampire" - bei dem man mit der Anzahl der ausgesaugten "Opfer" aufsteigt - habe ich mich von den Bonus-Malus-System des DT-Mod inspirieren lassen

 

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you start u.a.

- in ballet shoes

- in extreme hobble dress!

- with arms tied behind the back

- with a ball gag in her mouth

you start in the wilderness - "limps" to a farm - from there with fast travel to Riften - dialogues only via gag language

in the basement of the pub keys for some of the DD devices

from Rifton to the Helgen area via fast travel - the key to the remaining DD devices on a corpse

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"Hmpf" - aka gag dialogue is already planned from level 1 - for me it always means "speaks-with-hands-and-feet"

which is actually quite well implemented - e.g. also with a slider for the probability that your counterpart understands you

in some runs I am often completely tied down to the back binder and the hobble dress in DD machines - thanks to the "devious training" (DT)

I have powerful bonuses for it - but it takes some time until you get them in the game

(and I also have a smaller waist because of the corset - otherwise these "things" just don't make any sense!)

In addition to the level system of "Better Vampire" - where you increase with the number of "victims" sucked out - I was inspired by the bonus-malus system of the DT mod

 

 

P.S.

Noch ein Nachtrag zum Thema "Einsorgung"

Der "lebendige" Anzug nimmt die Ausscheidungen (seiner "Wirtin") aus dem Darm-Trakt und der Blase auf und "leitet" sie ab.

Nur so macht eine 24-stündige Ausfüllung z.B. des Anus mit der Birne überhaupt Sinn.

 

Ich hatte mich sowieso beim "Queen Sarah"-Set gefragt wie man da praktisch mit Dingen die "ich muss man für Gross oder klein" oder

"aggrr - ich habe meine Regel-Blutung aka "Tage"" eigentlich umgehen soll als Spieler?

Ich meine - die dame war für die restlichen Jahrzehnte ihres Lebens da eingeschlossen.

(das Thema Körper-"Hygiene" lasse ich mal aussen vor - mein "lebender" Anzug löst auch dieses Problemfeld höchst elegant)

"Spricht-mit-Händen-und-Füssen" geht eben schlecht, wenn die Hände auf den Rücken gefesselt sind, und man einen Humpelrock trägt. Da ist dann nicht viel mit Kommunizieren außer Grunzlauten wenn man einen Knebel trägt.

 

Es wäre auch toll wenn es eine komplett durchsichtige Variante des Latex Doll Suits geben würde, wenn man dann quasi blind sein sollte sollte man mehr als 20% erkennen können, da die Maske ja dann durchsichtig ist. Keine Ahnung wie man das regeln sollte wenn der Char dann Haare hat, die sind dann eben einfach ohnehin weg, der Anzug hat sie entfernt oder so ähnlich.

 

"Talks-with-hands-and-feet" doesn't work well when your hands are tied behind your back and you're wearing a hobble skirt. There's not much communicating then except grunting when wearing a gag.

It would also be great if there were a completely transparent version of the latex doll suit, if you were to be blind then you should be able to see more than 20%, since the mask is then transparent. I have no idea how to regulate that if the char then has hair, it's just gone anyway, the suit removed it or something like that.

 

  

12 minutes ago, audhol said:

@Miauzi @Mexicola88 and anyone else

 

Guys I'm happy youre interested in the living suit idea and I like the ideas but.......

 

Maybe lets not take over the DD beta thread brainstorming??  (LOL says the guy who posts 1 million screenshots of updates?)

 

Perhaps if theres some interest in making such a mod we could set up a small discord thread to discuss it?

Yeah sorry about that, it was just some basic ideas, i won't spam the forum.

Edited October 30, 2022 by Mexicola88

[audhol]

13 minutes ago, Taki17 said:

I don't think taking the discussion off-site would be strictly required, as you'd be able to find even more people interested in previewing your assets and ideas here if you had setup a "workshop" thread like this:

 

10 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Why move to discord, make it a thread for Living Sexdoll Brainstorming here on LL

Yep you guys are right, a thread on LL makes more sence, I just like the fact you can chat live in discord but I guess its not important.

 

Is it better to maybe make a thread for just the dolly monster or maybe like the FT workshop for general requests?

 

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by audhol

[audhol]

10 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

Yeah sorry about that, it was just some basic ideas, i won't spam the forum.

LOL I was more thinking about me getting told off for spamming than you.

[naaitsab]

Think I'm going to scratch the leather catsuit texture project. The mesh seems to be mangled due to bodyslide conformity. So making the seams with stitching somewhat representable is near impossible. Also the normals needs to be made from the ground up and for that I need blender or something. There also was not much intrest in it to start with so not worth all the effort I guess.

 

Small sniplet on what I'm talking about (disregard the shine). You can see how the seems ("bars") are mangled resulting in the stitching getting messed up.

 

[Mexicola88]

6 minutes ago, audhol said:

 

Yep you guys are right, a thread on LL makes more sence, I just like the fact you can chat live in discord but I guess its not important.

 

Is it better to maybe make a thread for just the dolly monster or maybe like the FT workshop for general requests?

 

 

Maybe just create a thread called "Audhol Workshop - General discussion & ideas" or something like that.

[Mexicola88]

6 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

Diese Verkleinerung des Gesichtsfelds wird bei einer transparenten Maske nicht beseitigt!

Das ist ein Irrtum - denn es wird durch die "gefakten" Augen mit den sehr kleinen Öffnungen in den Pupillen hervor gerufen.

Es ist ja Absicht der Maske ein gefakes "Real"-Gesicht zu verpassen

hier mal ein Beispiel

 

Schaue Dir die Pupille an - da kann man durchsehen - aber eben unter der Bedingung das 80% des sonst üblichen Gesichtsfeldes weg sind.

Das ist der "trill" um den es hierbei geht - man wird HILFLOS - man soll sich so auch FÜHLEN

das ist Teil des Absicht die Trägerin des Anzuges zu einem sexuell nuztbaren OBJEKT zu machen

(ich spreche da aus eigener Erfahrung - denn ich hatte selbst solche "femalen" Gesichtsmasken)

(es geht hier nicht mehr um die "normalen" Latex-Masken)

 

weil das aber echt hart ist in solch einem Teil als "dragonborn" zu spielen - ist die Maske (Haube) nur in den ersten drei Stufen "verbindlich"

 

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This reduction in the field of vision is not eliminated with a transparent mask!

This is a mistake - because it is caused by the "fake" eyes with the very small openings in the pupils.

It's the intention of the mask to give a fake "real" face

here's an example

Look at the pupil - you can see through it - but on the condition that 80% of the usual field of vision is gone.

That's the "trill" that this is all about - you become HELPFUL - you're supposed to FEEL that way too

this is part of the intention to make the wearer of the suit a sexually usable OBJECT

(I speak from my own experience - because I had such "female" face masks myself)

(this is no longer about the "normal" latex masks)

but because it's really hard to play as "dragonborn" in such a part - the mask (hood) is only "binding" in the first three stages

 

Ach ich verstehe, diese Puppengesichtsmasken sind überhaupt nicht mein Fall, ich stehe nur auf "normale" Latex Masken. Um ehrlich zu sein finde ich diese Puppenmasken total abturnend, ja Menschen haben eben verschiedene Geschmäcker.

 

Ich hoffe so eine "Puppengesicht" Maske wird nicht die einzige Variante sein, sondern auch eine "normale".

 

Oh I see, these doll face masks are not my cup of tea at all, I just like "normal" latex masks. To be honest I find these doll masks totally off, yes people have different tastes.

I hope such a "doll face" mask will not be the only variant, but also a "normal".

[Mexicola88]

9 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

für eine "normale" Sexdoll ist doch schon alles da - da braucht es keine "Neu"-Entwicklung

so ein Mod existiert schon seit Jahren

Ja aber nur wenn man mit hässlichem Clipping klarkommt. Ich habe schon vor Jahren in dem FT Workshop Thread nach einem Catsuit gebettelt der nicht komplett mit allem clipped, Der Author hatte auch irgendwie schon Catsuits in Arbeit und sogar Screenshots davon geteilt, aber irgendwie nie veröffentlicht, ich habe keine Ahnung warum er es einfach aufgegeben hatte oder was auch immer.

 

Yes, but only if you can handle ugly clipping. I've been begging for a catsuit that doesn't clip completely with everything years ago in the FT Workshop thread, the author also kind of had catsuits in the works and even shared screenshots of them, but kind of never published them, I have no idea why he just gave it up had or whatever.

 

I meant these Catsuits:

 

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Edited October 30, 2022 by Mexicola88

[audhol]

40 minutes ago, naaitsab said:

Think I'm going to scratch the leather catsuit texture project. The mesh seems to be mangled due to bodyslide conformity. So making the seams with stitching somewhat representable is near impossible. Also the normals needs to be made from the ground up and for that I need blender or something. There also was not much intrest in it to start with so not worth all the effort I guess.

 

Small sniplet on what I'm talking about (disregard the shine). You can see how the seems ("bars") are mangled resulting in the stitching getting messed up.

 

The mesh really needs to be reunwrapped so that the seams of the mesh correspond to the raised areas of the actual item, that way you can bake your maps and use an edge detect to apply the stiches correctly.

 

Also its possible to produce a psuedo normal map in gimp using the texture as a base, Its how I did the signs for Carry-on-Skyrim

[naaitsab]

15 minutes ago, audhol said:

The mesh really needs to be reunwrapped so that the seams of the mesh correspond to the raised areas of the actual item, that way you can bake your maps and use an edge detect to apply the stiches correctly.

 

Also its possible to produce a psuedo normal map in gimp using the texture as a base, Its how I did the signs for Carry-on-Skyrim

My mesh editing skills halt at removing some vertexes using Outfit Studio ? so if you think you can get the seems aligned that would be great. Doing the work on a black suit with red seems is the easiest to see I guess.

[audhol]

4 minutes ago, naaitsab said:

My mesh editing skills halt at removing some vertexes using Outfit Studio ? so if you think you can get the seems aligned that would be great. Doing the work on a black suit with red seems is the easiest to see I guess.

Sure, But I need to finish the dolly monster first, 

 

I'll try to set the workshop thread up today then there can be one place for things that need doing meshwise.

 

 

If you look up the word "overkill" in the dictionary the meaning contains this image

 

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[kapibar]

15 minutes ago, audhol said:

If you look up the word "overkill" in the dictionary the meaning contains this image

 

Meh, this is hardly an overkill. "Appropriate" is the more adequate word.

[t.ara]

1 hour ago, naaitsab said:

Think I'm going to scratch the leather catsuit texture project. The mesh seems to be mangled due to bodyslide conformity. So making the seams with stitching somewhat representable is near impossible. Also the normals needs to be made from the ground up and for that I need blender or something. There also was not much intrest in it to start with so not worth all the effort I guess.

 

Small sniplet on what I'm talking about (disregard the shine). You can see how the seems ("bars") are mangled resulting in the stitching getting messed up.

 

What is that?...can you show me the stuff?

[audhol]

 

[naaitsab]

19 minutes ago, t.ara said:

What is that?...can you show me the stuff?

It's the MXW catsuit bundled in DD. I'm trying to create a leather texture for it. But the mesh is quite mangled so the texture edges are impossible to get good looking.

[Zor2k13]

Maybe just a problem on my end but since I updated to beta 9 the sexlab aroused body scaling doesn't work and the DCL surrender during combat doesn't work correctly either? Might just be my game though.

[Zaflis]

6 hours ago, audhol said:

If you look up the word "overkill" in the dictionary the meaning contains this image

 

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Heh, that is what "Ultra-HD" zipper looks like. PC hardware don't like much. The whole thing could actually be just a texture slice on top of the catsuit.

[Zor2k13]

9 hours ago, Mexicola88 said:

Ja aber nur wenn man mit hässlichem Clipping klarkommt. Ich habe schon vor Jahren in dem FT Workshop Thread nach einem Catsuit gebettelt der nicht komplett mit allem clipped, Der Author hatte auch irgendwie schon Catsuits in Arbeit und sogar Screenshots davon geteilt, aber irgendwie nie veröffentlicht, ich habe keine Ahnung warum er es einfach aufgegeben hatte oder was auch immer.

 

Yes, but only if you can handle ugly clipping. I've been begging for a catsuit that doesn't clip completely with everything years ago in the FT Workshop thread, the author also kind of had catsuits in the works and even shared screenshots of them, but kind of never published them, I have no idea why he just gave it up had or whatever.

 

I meant these Catsuits:

 

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WHOA! Where can I get those suits?

[Mexicola88]

1 hour ago, Zor2k13 said:

WHOA! Where can I get those suits?

Nowhere that is the problem.

 

On page 5, im not sure @Supertin is even active anymore.

Edited October 30, 2022 by Mexicola88

[Kimy]

A couple points:

 

- My comment about extreme stuff was NOT aimed at the doll suit suggestion. I okayed that idea to go into DD before I made that comment. "Extreme" as in "out of scope for DD" is/was defined as severe torture, permanent maiming or dismemberment. The suit does nothing of that, so it's all good!

- For the sake of completion, a few other topics that cannot go into DD are anything involving scat, futa, bestiality. The suit doesn't do that either.

- If you guys want to make a separate quest mod for that suit, sure thing! In that case, taking the discussion to another thread is probably a good idea, as this one is for stuff that goes into the framework. I can still add the assets to the framework, so other content mods can use it, too. Up to you!

 

[audhol]

7 hours ago, Kimy said:

I can still add the assets to the framework, so other content mods can use it, too. Up to you!

I'd be happy if you add the suit to assets once its finished. Theres no reason why it cant be both part of the family and have its own quest mod. If you have any interest or ideas as to what the dolly monster should do then hop on over and add your thoughts.

 

Also my thread will hopefully be a place for ideas for new DD stuff without cloging up this thread.

[UnEvenSteven]

21 hours ago, audhol said:

Sure, But I need to finish the dolly monster first, 

 

I'll try to set the workshop thread up today then there can be one place for things that need doing meshwise.

 

 

Honestly, the DD Framework really just needs a new catsuit mesh at this point. Every catsuit asset in the framework was ported from Oblivion! Yes, they are that old.

 

With your sex doll suit you are working on you'd have good base to start with, but only if that's something you're even interested in doing.