Devious Devices Framework Development/Beta

[S.MayLeR]

1 hour ago, Darkwing241 said:

It definitely fits with the with the objectification and body control kinks that most people use DD for, but I strongly agree the aesthetic doesn't work for skyrim.  There is a lot of room in medieval fantasy worlds for finely crafted objects, so you can explain away things like rubber in latex with them being crafted by elves/wizards/demons/whatever.  If master craftsmen are making these strange modern materials why the crude construction? It should either be something more akin to Devious Dwarven Cuirass, silk and lace or DD-brand Rubber.

 

There definitely could be bandits out there sewing women into suits like these, but wouldn't they be made mostly of easily worked crude cloth with small amounts of leather and iron? as opposed to the wrinkly cheap looking plastic modern version.

But there is a contradiction in your own words, since the costume that @audhol / @naaitsab wants to create is made of rubber or latex. But these materials, according to you, were created by someone. So why wasn't this suit made by them too? And if it is created from the same skin, then, if we talk about realism (I believe), movement in it will be extremely inconvenient, since movements will be constrained by the density of the material. A not entirely successful example (and the material is different) can serve as winter insulated pants made of bologna fabric.

 

I am neither for nor against this idea, as it is still in the plans and this "restraint" has not yet been presented to our eyes.

 

P.S. And I believe that your opinion is similar to the one mentioned in the "Devious Lore" mod. The fact that she tries to explain the origin of the restraints is good. But this is a third-party modification from another author with OWN vision.

Edited October 22, 2022 by S.MayLeR

[S.MayLeR]

5 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

By the way - there is already a quite complex mod on the subject of rubber dolls

"Fuck Doll" (conversion to SE is available)

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/108201

however, it is not linked to the key system of DD

 

But this "outfit" will have to be converted for the CBBE and UNP bodies. (I say that this is a titanic work; but I'm not a modmaker, so maybe this is really true? ?)

Edited October 22, 2022 by S.MayLeR

[Kimy]

The reason why I don't like cartoonish looks is not because it doesn't fit Skyrim's lore (DD is full of stuff that's not exactly Skyrim canon), but because it clashes with everything else in DD. Also, because it's just not my thing, really.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Kimy

[Vakir]

Might have already been answered in the past but is it possible for the Boxbinder to be used with a catsuit? never can seem to get them to work together

[audhol]

7 hours ago, S.MayLeR said:

But this "outfit" will have to be converted for the CBBE and UNP bodies.

And the author has a patreon account and has said previously he wont give permision for assets use in other mods. He does make awesome stuff though, theres a pair of ballet boots and another pair of thigh high bondage boots for free on his patreon along with lots of other kinky stuff.

[Gergar12]

I cannot get cursed loot to work with devious devices 5.2 beta 8 via MCM recorder...

[naaitsab]

2 hours ago, audhol said:

And the author has a patreon account and has said previously he wont give permision for assets use in other mods. He does make awesome stuff though, theres a pair of ballet boots and another pair of thigh high bondage boots for free on his patreon along with lots of other kinky stuff.

Also on his free work? I think it's more suitable for something like Fallout 4. As said before one can stretch the 'dwemer latex' thing to great lengths but it does not fit the scene like at all anymore.

 

I make it a bit in between one approach could be to have a the eyes painted on in a stlye like those old warrior helmets. So no 'Manga style' but more realistic and less colorful. It will reduce the objectification scene but it will make it fit better in Skyrim

[S.MayLeR]

12 hours ago, Darkwing241 said:

There definitely could be bandits out there sewing women into suits like these, but wouldn't they be made mostly of easily worked crude cloth with small amounts of leather and iron? as opposed to the wrinkly cheap looking plastic modern version.

I was thinking... But really, if such a sex-doll suit made of rubber or latex was in a fabric version and consisting of different parts, as you said. But definitely not leather. Approximate texture is in the hood of a Execution Hood.

10 hours ago, Miauzi said:

I didn't want this suit to replace the already implemented latex suits

Apparently we misunderstood each other. I didn't talk about a replacement or anything like that. I only said that this suit from the Nexus will have to be converted to another body. That's all ?

P.S. But if we talk about a "suit" that will cover the body from head to toe, then this works in the modification "Devious Rubber Masks" and "Devious Rubber Masks: Rebirth!"

3 hours ago, audhol said:

And the author has a patreon account and has said previously he wont give permision for assets use in other mods. He does make awesome stuff though, theres a pair of ballet boots and another pair of thigh high bondage boots for free on his patreon along with lots of other kinky stuff.

 This is the second reason why the idea of a Nexus suit would have to be abandoned ?

Edited October 23, 2022 by S.MayLeR

[audhol]

23 minutes ago, naaitsab said:

Also on his free work? I think it's more suitable for something like Fallout 4. As said before one can stretch the 'dwemer latex' thing to great lengths but it does not fit the scene like at all anymore.

 

I make it a bit in between one approach could be to have a the eyes painted on in a stlye like those old warrior helmets. So no 'Manga style' but more realistic and less colorful. It will reduce the objectification scene but it will make it fit better in Skyrim

Yeah He's pretty good on making stuff free, 

 

https://www.patreon.com/posts/meliora-ballet-57328176

 

I agree with your assesment about style although personally it doesnt bother me, my game is full of heels and stockings so umm yeah I'm not the best authority on authenticity.

 

I think Kimy is right about a plain version and then some other texture sets, I can knock up a few textures and then whatever people like can be added.

 

I'm working on the piercing set that goes with it first, I'll put a version up for approval when its done.

[S.MayLeR]

10 hours ago, Kimy said:

The reason why I don't like cartoonish looks is not because it doesn't fit Skyrim's lore (DD is full of stuff that's not exactly Skyrim canon), but because it clashes with everything else in DD. Also, because it's just not my thing, really.

You're right. A "doll face" on a sex-doll costume in Skyrim would look weird... A version without a face?

p.s. In this case, it will be similar to the parts of the rubber suit that are already there, only working as a whole. All the same, some distinctive features are needed, but not too prominent from the general concept ...
If we are still talking about the implementation of such a suit. But that's just my thoughts out loud...

Edited October 23, 2022 by S.MayLeR

[audhol]

Spoiler

 

[Zor2k13]

What about this thing? 

 

[ChandraArgentis]

On 10/18/2022 at 12:24 AM, Kimy said:

Devious Devices LE 5.2 Beta 8

 

If I missed ANY other suggested patches/fixes not mentioned here, please let me know!

 

Still has the install bug.  You have to install DD, install DCL, then reinstall DD to activate DCL compatibility on the install.

[audhol]

Update to the SexDoll Vaginal piercing

 

Spoiler

 

[audhol]

23 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

das sieht wirklich geil aus

und

es tut mir jetzt schon weh wenn ich daran denke selbst so etwas zu tragen *aua*

 

es wird nur kurz schmerzen, 
danach kann das kleine grüne Juwel seine Magie entfalten

[kapibar]

Since the device library is constantly expanding, I'll leave a suggestion. While there is some variety to nipple piercing, there are basically only two vaginal (normal soulgem and shock). @Kalmah actually added a new type - weighted clitoral piercing to his Submissive Lola Extension. Perhaps he would be willing to grant permission to use his resources.

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[Prime66]

Not sure if you guys already decided on something in regards to the Rubber sounds. But I thought I would throw in my two cents. 

I personally really like the new Sounds   I think it would be a real shame to remove them entirely. 

So I got two Ideas to make them optional. 

1. It could be done how DD already handles the different Bound Animations. Just add a new option to the installer and let us pick our preferred sound there. 

2. An MCM Option. I would personally prefer this one since it would allow Users to switch the sounds on the fly.  

 

However if you do decide to revert to the old sounds, I would ask that still leave them in the mod and maybe make a separate Enchantment so that mod authors can pick the sound that they want a specific outfit to have. 

[Kimy]

1 hour ago, Prime66 said:

Not sure if you guys already decided on something in regards to the Rubber sounds. But I thought I would throw in my two cents. 

I personally really like the new Sounds   I think it would be a real shame to remove them entirely. 

So I got two Ideas to make them optional. 

1. It could be done how DD already handles the different Bound Animations. Just add a new option to the installer and let us pick our preferred sound there. 

2. An MCM Option. I would personally prefer this one since it would allow Users to switch the sounds on the fly.  

 

However if you do decide to revert to the old sounds, I would ask that still leave them in the mod and maybe make a separate Enchantment so that mod authors can pick the sound that they want a specific outfit to have. 

 

I will make something happen, either way. Making the sounds switchable in-game would require a bit of work and a re-design of the system. But the least I can do is offering the other package as an installer option or a drop-in replacement download.

[Kimy]

15 hours ago, ChandraArgentis said:

 

Still has the install bug.  You have to install DD, install DCL, then reinstall DD to activate DCL compatibility on the install.

 

I fixed this for the next release!

[Taki17]

5 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Why not nipple stretchers

They already exist outside of DD, however they come in all color variants that the usual DD items do. How very convenient. Pretty much all it needs is asking for permissions to be included, if one is so inclined.

 

[Kimy]

Devious Devices LE 5.2 Beta 9

 

We're almost there!

 

Changelog from Beta 8:

- Added: The Rubber Sound system now has a MCM control allowing users to set the frequency the sounds are being played at. It defaults to "Never".
- Added: Restrictive Transparent Gloves (contributed by Audhol), to complete the transparent set.
- Added: 3 new Petsuit animations (struggle, horny, orgasm) contributed by iivanvv.
- Added: Struggle animations to the steel open-back chastity belt, the newly added "lustrous" items and the transparent catsuit
- Added: Open-back variants of the "lustrous" chastity belts, also added them to the appropriate levelled list
- Changed: Slight overhaul to the appearance of the ankle shackles, to have their looks match their names.
- Changed: The shock plugs on-screen message got shortened and no longer requires two lines to display.
- Changed: With the inclusion of a proper world object for the zipsuit and its matching heels, the stand-in "box" objects have been removed from the archive.
- Fixed: A flaw in the installer that lets people install Beast Race support for some DD content mods only if these mods are installed, which makes no sense, as the framework is typically installed first...
- Fixed: Grammar corrections to several more messages
- Fixed: Corrected one of the "lustrous" chastity belts still using the gold material texture set for its world object
- Fixed: Added all the wrist shackle items to the wrist shackles levelled list that were previously missing from it
- Fixed: Created a levelled list for ankle shackles and nested it inside the new zad_dev_legrestraints leveled list that now contains all leg restraints.
- Fixed: Corrected the file path of the world object model for the ankle shackles.
- Fixed: Added missing resources for some Beta 8 fixes.
- Fixed: A bug in zadlibs.GetSlotMaskForDeviceType() that prevented straitjackets from being properly unequipped by script.
- Fixed: Deleted unnecessary vortex file from the archive.

 

Download link: https://mega.nz/file/WM81jZYD#2tUK3kz-gzYVbiQq3tCTDY3g79OPc4IOhF1_5BG752s

 

 

Still no word about these:

 

- @Roggvir DAR patch. I don't have a final version of the patch yet.

- @ZenagiaZippered Armbinder - I don't have files to merge yet.

 

=> If I don't hear anything back about these soon, I will put these two on hold for a future version.

 

- @Inte has reported the CBBE Elbowbinder to render too loose on the character. The suggested fix was the revert to version 5.1. meshes, but the 5.2 version of the Elbowbinder is Bodyslide compatible, while the 5.1 version was not. I still could revert to the fixed model, but if @UnEvenSteven wants to look into that Bodyslide model rather, it would be the cleaner fix.

 

=> Unless a fixed model is provided, I will revert the CBBE version to the 5.1 fixed-scale model.

[audhol]

Some Feedback would be cool please guys.

 

Just the piercings for now.

 

DeviousSexDollSEAE3BA.7z

 

DeviousSexDollLECBBE.7z

 

33 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

One finds ballet boots - extremely restrictive neck corsets (absolutely "upper league") - chastity bras made of metal shells

and then you only have simple nipple plugs?

Why not nipple stretchers

Dats kinda cool,  I'll have a go once the sexdoll stuff is finished.

 

If anyone has anything they would like made for DD I'm happy to consider it. I don't pretend to be the greatest modeler or texturer but I can output something of reasonable quality, if its not something that Kimy wants to assimilate into the DD hive then it could always be released as an addon.

 

[Taki17]

41 minutes ago, audhol said:

Some Feedback would be cool please guys.

They seem to function alright. However I'm gonna be honest and say that this style doesn't really fit the world of the Elder Scrolls. This is mainly true for the nipple piercings, the font used there is I feel way too sleek, clean and overall anachronistic and out-of-place to be considered fitting.

 

Might consider trying to make the 3D word piercings with different fonts. Skyrim's default font is called "Cyrodiil", although some other, more ornate and less simplistic-looking fonts might be good for it as well.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Taki17

[audhol]

31 minutes ago, Taki17 said:

Might consider trying to make the 3D word piercings with different fonts. Skyrim's default font is called "Cyrodiil"

[audhol]

28 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

The linked parts of "C5Kev" are already very chic - if a "mechanism" for adjusting aka stretching could be "installed" there???

 

axo - I think the vaginal part is great

with the breast nipples ... I would find a little more "restriction" better

The thing with c5kev stuff is that he uses a lot of meshes from other people. I'm not criticising as he gives credit but it makes permisions tricky. Part of that nipple stretcher mesh is from a newmiller mod for example.

 

I guess a restrictive nipple thingy would better match the clit shield, I'll have another look at it.

Edited October 24, 2022 by audhol